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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Depends on where you study.
20 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
sounds like you're talking about problems that are specific to the USA academic system
examinations are typically shit no matter what, but at least some of the shit is eliminated if you do small, frequent examinations.
(and others, that are not mine)
point is, you're making sweeping generalisations
wait
lrio has jerry plonked?
20:00
yep
why?
can we not have this again?
jerry is one of the nicest guys here >.<
not to me he isn't
not if you're lrio
deservedly :D
20:01
he's vile and slanderous towards me.
end of story.
Because LRiO hates Americans, and Jerry happens to be one
haha yeah
moving on...
Oh boi. Who cares who LRiO has plonked?
I certainly don't
how are you Jefffrey
plonked sounds lewd
20:02
"lewd" is a great word
lewd sounds lewd
I don't get how you come up with 'plonked' from 'ignored'
"lewd" sounds lewd, which I find spectacular
@Pris I never really got that either
I don't know why you'd plonk anyone :(
@orlp Sometimes people are just too much to bear. Mostly I "mentally" plonk people, but occasionally that is insufficient.
Life is too short
COME ON TARS
20:03
because lrio is a shitface that I'd rather not interact with.
like, alex m has me on plonk for some reason
oh boy
see, that sort of behaviour is plonk-worthy
here we go
flag ahoy!
POPCORN FOR SALE~ $0.99 A BAG!
but I wouldn't plonk anyone
20:04
@rlemon Can I take two?
although wilx comes close >.<
@rlemon One day you'll come visit us without flags! :(
someone pinged me the other day
@rlemon is like the hot policewoman that you don't mind committing crimes in order to see
that was interesting
20:04
I plonked chmod and some non-regulars
@rlemon I vaguely remember that
I've still got PHPopcorn left over from the drama there.
what happened in PHP?
@Danack you have some explaining to do
why were you there?
other than, y'know, PHP
@orlp lol
20:05
woah wait how do you tell who's plonked you
The problem with Puppy is that he bitches and moans but has no idea that I solved his bin problem for him a half hour ago and he has no idea about it
plonked == ignored?
@Pris It becomes apparent in conversations
@Pris You can't. That's the point.
20:06
@milleniumbug Well @orlp said he knew someone had plonked him, so I assumed you could
.. wonders if it is as well sent along with websocket data.. wouldn't surprise me
@rlemon it's not :)
Good though, I don't want anyone to know if I've plonked em
@Pris sorry what was that I can't hear you
;p
did pris say anything?
I can't seem to see it
He insulted your mother.
did he call her a hamster?
> he call he
we all saw that
don't have my ext keyboard
Your mom didn't.
20:08
laptop keys are funny
@Pris An old Usenet thing. "Plonk" is (supposedly) the sound from throwing them in the bit-bucket.
@JerryCoffin but lrio can't see that so how will he know
@JerryCoffin neat. Is 'kicking' from the usenet days too?
20:15
@Pris no 'kicking' is what we did with your mom
@orlp rude
lol hidden threats I bet
typical
@Pris It only becomes apparent when/if they act like a child giving another the "silent treatement", not simply ignoring the other, but making sure everybody in the vicinity knows about it.
@Pris :(
@orlp "no kicking" is what we did with your mom
20:15
@JerryCoffin plugs ears LALALLALALALAALALAA
so my favourite bar is re-opening tonight
and i'm on the guest list
yeahhhh motherfucking VIP
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you should cure that sobriety
@orlp damn straight
in fact I should probably get going soon :/
but my house is so warm and toasty
@Pris No--Usenet has no ability to do anything similar. I'd guess it comes from IRC, but can't really say for sure (never did IRC enough to know).
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sounding more paranoid all the time.
can't we all be friends?
(especially your mom)
20:18
@orlp how yes no
@RockLegend no yes how
@orlp Some of us try. Others prefer to threaten others with (for example) disemboweling because they lost precious imaginary internet points.
@JerryCoffin don't you dare come near my precious internet points
gimme moar repz
@orlp So you don't want me to give you any more, no matter how good of answers you post?
20:20
at least they're honest:
0
Q: Calling functions from header files

AustinHomework I'm trying to call two functions in my main function from each of my three header files. #ifndef UNSORTEDPQ_H #define UNSORTEDPQ_H #include <exception> #include <cstddef> #include <cmath> using namespace std; template <class Type> class UnsortedPQ { private: struct DLLNode { Typ...

@JerryCoffin that's fine, just don't steal my reps pls :( I need it to feed my family ego
it's definitely homework
I forgot
how do you do strikethrough in chat?
I'm going to look like a fool
Nopee
actually is legit
thx
20:23
@orlp Based on my current voting record, I give out about 400 points for every one I take away.
;p
You have no faith.
sorry it was too easy :P
@JerryCoffin odd I'm nearly the opposite
~You should learn to trust Lightness~
in lightness we trust, amen
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I love C++.
4
I rarely vote
wot
right one more game of halo
@райтфолд why
user1804599
20:25
It's powerful.
> Everton's exit means England have failed to produce a European club quarter-finalist for the first time since 1992-93 season
lol
we're so shit at football
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what was that about the ashes of english sporting spirit or some such?
20:26
english sporting spirit? I wish it would stay in ash form, then we could scatter them and mov eon
then again if it's not in ash form maybe it can be burned?
The Ashes is a Test cricket series played between England and Australia. The Ashes are regarded as being held by the team that won the last Test series or, if that series was drawn, by the team that last won a series. The term originated in a satirical obituary published in a British newspaper, The Sporting Times, immediately after Australia's 1882 victory at The Oval, their first Test win on English soil. The obituary stated that English cricket had died, and the body will be cremated and the ashes taken to Australia. The mythical ashes immediately became associated with the 1882–83 series played...
@Mgetz The corollary to that is: if a question looks salvageable, I usually edit. If I don't see a way to salvage it at all, chances are that I'll vote to close. I see relatively few that are good enough that they should really stay open, but still deserve a down-vote.
@JerryCoffin I just got close vote privilege
with great power...
@LightnessRacesinOrbit comes a shit ton of fun
it also corrupts absolutely
with great power comes a lot of mana cost
@orlp Unless you got the blue buff
Actually, no
That just restores more of it
you done derpd
bronze V I see
I understand, in the abstract, why one person would plonk another, but I don't usually understand why the people I see get plonked are plonked.
I still haven't plonked anyone.
no u
or I'll plonk you!
@caps You don't even plonk yourself?
I'm gonna go plonk the shower
is that code for "masturbate in"?
@Danack ... why would anyone do that?
@caps To ensure against proof-reading their posts?
@Danack One of my favorite xkcds.
@Danack lol
20:49
@caps I've seen a few cases where somebody was truly so obnoxious that essentially everybody in a newsgroup plonked somebody (keep in mind that Usenet provided no ability equivalent to kicking somebody unless you made it a moderated newsgroup, which was generally a pain). Usenet also had essentially no protection against spam, so people frequently had lots of rules to try to delete spam (e.g., if a message is cross-posted to more than 5 groups, ignore it on the assumption that it's junk).
@JerryCoffin Of course. I just don't see those people in Lounge<C++>
In this system, good uses for ignore lists and such are few and far between (to put it mildly).
Erm, I cannot believe that a live video of my chess.com hack is currently checked for copyright infringement
Whose fucking rights could I possibly have infuckingfringed
@Columbo And there you have one of the major problems of the DMCA (at least for anybody in the US, and/or using any service that might originate in, be piped to, cross, or in any other way arguably fall within US jurisdiction). A true abomination.
I'm in the UK
But it's on MyVideo
so hehe
20:54
@Columbo what's your rank though
@orlp ?
bronze, diamond, plat, etc
@orlp I'm not playing rankeds
Just turned 30
My mate is gold 3 usually though
on NA or EU? I forgot where you were
@orlp ...
2 mins ago, by Columbo
I'm in the UK
20:56
I'm not lurking chat 24/7
@caps That doesn't necessarily indicate that I'm on the EU West servers though
and that
if you want to we could play a game
> 2 mins ago
welp
there's a bunch of mould in my room and I'm seriously pissed off that it's still here after like, 10 weeks
I'm gonna have to write my landlord and tell him that I don't pay him rent to sit on his arse.
@Puppy so... leave?
20:58
@orlp I don't really play league atm but I might come back to it at some point
Oh, misread your sentence.
I can't really afford to
I thought you said you were pissed off "... that I'm still here..."
ah no
I don't really mind living here, except for the mould.
forgive me for my ignorance, but can't you clean the mould off yourself?
20:59
the wall needs to be re-sealed and re-painted.
cleaning the mould off just cleans the mould off, it doesn't stop the mould from growing there again or repair the damage it caused.
"Mould" or "Mold"?
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@Nican UK or US?
US.
21:04
Ep. 1
@Nican In that case, I'm surprised it isn't 'Mld' :)
What is you guys' opinion on public data members?
@MartinJames who said Mild?
@orlp I think they should stop talking rubbish in the press, but otherwise I don't really mind if they go ahead with those plans
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yikes! It's 21:05 and I'm not showered yet!
21:05
for example when a struct is mostly used to pass data around
@MartinJames I literally just showered
(no showing involved)
@orlp Then a getter and a setter would be needless complication and overhead, IMO.
If you need them, you need them. If you don't, you don't.
what about const public data members
that should be fine no matter what right?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have to goto Tesco to get bread, so I guess I'll have to call in at the Swan to see how Anne is getting on in the arrers. I can't have more than one or two there 'cos driving back, so I guess I'll have to call in at the club after to see if there is any Tribute left.
@MartinJames focked m8
21:07
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Shortly...
Anyway, shower.
If you simply want to pass data around public members are fine. If you want to create an interface I would go with setters getters simpl because they allow for easy implementation of features afterwards
user1804599
No setters, only getters.
there are hardly any features that can be implemented by just adding a bit of logic to a setter or a getter.
user1804599
Fuck mutability.
and especially combining the two is super bad.
21:12
they also allow to change the internal implementation
Thread-safety is usually the feature that motivates getters and setters. That is, if you don't count being anal about interfaces as a feature I guess.
Man my API feels so wrong. To create a class that can receive signals, you need to 1. Inherit from a specific class, 2. Declare a specific typedef, 3. Have a specific parameter in your constructor, 4. Have a static function in your class with a specific signature
Why am I so bad at this ._.
That doesn't "feel" wrong. It is wrong. Especially the first part.
you can pass setters getters as functions, you can use notification later, possibly add debugging at some point etc etc
@Pris boost::signals2::slot<sig>.
@Veritas Hardly at all.
21:16
@QuestionC 99+% of the getters and setters I've seen had negative value--they made the code (often substantially) less readable, while providing precisely nothing of value in return. Nearly all of the rest that actually did something would have been (far) better served with a public member of a type that overloaded operator= as the setter and operator T as the getter.
heading out
have fun @Mart y
@JerryCoffin Well, at that point instead of having method SetX(int i); you have property LikeAnIntButOverridesOperator= x;.

You still have the clunky logic, just somewhere else.
@orlp They're good until you try to re-order them in a container.
@orlp const members are annoying no matter what.
I think you want public properties most of the time, but getters and setters are the right solution for some problems.
21:19
I think I don't like properties.
I don't mind const T& public members that refer to private members.
that's bad design not attributed to setters and getters. The point is that you hide the implementation behind an abstraction and that has clear advantages in some cases and disadvantages in others. I wouldn't write setters and getters for a Point class.
Life would be so much easier if C++ could do C# style getters/setters.
@Veritas Sure, it's just that they can't actually abstract a great deal of anything, really.
@QuestionC Can it not, in MSVC?
Xeo
Xeo
@Puppy Do those have a way to make the operator() private + befriend the containing class?
21:23
@Xeo Sure. It's called "Make the slot private and then offer a public function to subscribe to it"?
Xeo
Xeo
that's meh
and not what I asked for
I don't know MSVC too well. I know C++ Builder can, but I never use the feature because it's not really C++.
I am probably thinking of more complex cases, not simply accessing data fields.
@QuestionC It just seems to me that, if your class really represents an object, then any modifications on private data should be represented by (member?) functions that perform operations on that object.
If other code needs access to the implementation details of your class, the members in question should probably be public.
@QuestionC Yes. Ew.
user1804599
hahaha
Xeo
Xeo
21:25
@Puppy Being able to say blah.onStuff.connect(...) is much nicer than having to boilerplate-wrap it and do blah.connectOnStuff(...)
@QuestionC I only like to use it when working with visual components, so the values can be modified from the IDE Design view. Even then, only for the values that it makes sense for a user to change from the Design view.
@райтфолд ?
@caps ...and may need to be encapsulated elsewhere.
@Jeremy ?
@QuestionC You have logic that's less clunky and (more importantly) it's restricted to one place that you implement the "setter", instead of everywhere that uses it. More importantly, it's really doing the right thing. A getter/setter usually means you're defining a member as one type, but really want it to act like (for example) some restricted sub-range of that type (e.g., 'int", but should really only be 100-299).
21:31
basically it doesn't make a lot of sense to have an object manage something and then allowing that something to be freely modifiable from others unless you use a class as a simple data container.
@Veritas The problem is pretty simple: usually that class is both managing that something and doing other things--so it's violating the single responsibility principle. I'm simply advocating following the SRS by moving the management of that thing into a class of its own.
Now, if the only thing that class does is manage that one thing, what changes is more syntactic sugar: changing set to operator= and get to operator T just makes client code look much cleaner (and if what it's really dealing with is assigning and retrieving values, then the fact that it looks like assigning and retrieving values is clearly a good thing.
Note: not calling closePath() in a GeneralPath object actually still closes the object. wut
... still checking for copyright infringement. Fuck MyVideo.
Is there no decent hosting portal
That does not require any private means of identification as fucking Google does
Too late for such a discussion. I am off, later everyone.
starting guitar lessons was the best idea ever
21:43
@BartekBanachewicz I preferred "become a multi-billionaire", but starting guitar lessons is definitely a lot quicker and easier. :-)
Xeo
Xeo
@Puppy Guess I can just wrap it like this or something.
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@BartekBanachewicz please clarify how salami works in Poland.
4
What
user1804599
I have never before seen yellow salami.
21:45
@EtiennedeMartel Is that @LightnessRacesinOrbit?
@Xeo Yep, is what I came up with as well.
@райтфолд Looks like cheese.
@EtiennedeMartel In the video shows a picture of a girl that looks like LRiO :P
@EtiennedeMartel That's what I was about to say.
21:46
@EtiennedeMartel That's because it is, in fact, cheese.
Also, it's "salame" when it's singular.
Not "salami", that's plural.
Really?
How's that pronounced?
user1804599
@Jefffrey It is in English.
Salam?
@Jefffrey That cheese is definitely not singular.
21:47
@Nooble Alaikum.
user1804599
And the plural is "salami" or "salamis."
user1804599
> salami |səˈlɑːmi|
noun (pl.same or salamis) [ mass noun ]
a type of highly seasoned sausage, originally from Italy, usually eaten cold in slices. a crusty roll with some salami. [ count noun ] : German salami are often quite heavily smoked.
ORIGIN Italian, plural of salame, from a late Latin word meaning ‘to salt’.
@райтфолд Yes, and it's weird as fuck, so please don't.
Here's a little quiz
This is in my crontab:
* 7-23 * * * echo "`date` activation" >> /Volumes/WesternDigital/Activate.txt
* 7-23 * * * echo "`date` activation" >> /Volumes/MyBook/Activate.txt
user1804599
@Jefffrey Pigarelle
21:48
Anyone can guess why? :)
@райтфолд That's not how every word's plural and singular works you brat.
@EtiennedeMartel It's okay.
user1804599
@StackedCrooked To activate it.
user1804599
@Jefffrey What an inconsistent language.
user1804599
21:49
Pizza rally.
Pezza.
user1804599
I ate an American pizza today.
Take "pizza". It's singular. And plural is "pizze".
user1804599
I prefer Italian pizzi.
A lost cause, you are.
21:51
@StackedCrooked 1) to adjust for daylight saving or 2) the clock on your system is off so you need correct it
Jefffrey -> Jefffriy
user1804599
Jefffri
user1804599
Jefffre
This triple f thing is getting annoying, I can never type it right the first time.
Two more faggots. — South 51 secs ago
Fun times.
user1804599
21:53
Flagged as "too chatty."
Fffaggots.
guys I have a crazy conspiracy theory
@CatPlusPlus is secretly hooman
No shit
@orlp No way.
No, dude, that can't be.
@EtiennedeMartel It's so long, without being interesting enough to justify the length. :/
3
21:55
looks like we've got two camps already
believers and non-believers
Kids these days.
@orlp Dude, she even admitted that
@Jefffrey so meta
IM SO META EVEN THIS ACRONYM
21:57
What acronym?
@Nooble ISMETA
Oh.
Hehe.
I have RAS syndrome
rip nooble's brain
(Redundant Acronym Syndrome)
21:58
is that like PIN number
user1804599
Redundant Acronym RAS Syndrome.
SSN number
Or LED diode.
PNG network graphics
user1804599
I want to live in a forest.
user1804599
21:59
PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor.

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