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2:00 PM
that is one fucking fantastic optical illusion
 
4 mins ago, by Jefffrey
The pic is a jif masked as a jpeg
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't see it :|
 
5 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
buy a better brain
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hadn't looked for a few hours. After Bartek posted that I went to check my original source. And now it's black and blue.
Could be a big hoax
 
@chmod711telkitty you can, ℝ² has the same cardinality as ℝ³
 
2:01 PM
this is the kind of thing "which direction is she rotating"
 
What if it's really a jif and it's just switching between the two states?
I dunno, just throwing it out there
 
@orlp yeah I could time travel too! 4d -> 3d
 
@Jefffrey inspect the file?
 
also time 4 bed
 
@Jefffrey It was white and gold on load last time I visited
 
2:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I saw it yesterday and the colours I see in the picture are still light blue and gold (lighter at the top, darker at the bottom; hard to tell which one is the real one).
 
so unless GIFs retain state between page loads many hours apart..
 
Maybe some HTML5 crap
 
Hi folks. My new laptop is on now :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Tablet in bin? :)
 
@Jefffrey And that's not at all the German pronounciation, as orlp mentioned.
 
2:12 PM
@MartinJames No, I learned to love it these days :)
 
aaa the more I watch that video the more I find the chick pretty
she's like a small ball of chocolate
girls are nice
 
@Jefffrey And also interesting: translate.google.com/#en/de/Fuchsia
@orlp FWIW, you never explained why it's not the English pronounciation.
1 message moved to bin
(oops)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I guess I was wrong
joy of being dutch
and ignorant
 
folks at work wrote their own expression parser
 
it just sounds incredibly weird to me to pronounce fuchsia as fuschia
 
2:16 PM
I just typed 6 - 1 - 1 and got 6
 
@BartekBanachewicz 6 - (1 - 1) topkek
 
Filing a bug report atm
 
6/2*3
 
Why do devs continually write arithmetic expressions with insufficient brackets to clarify the operation?
 
I suggested they kick their parser out and use Lua there
 
2:20 PM
1 like = 1 bartek
have you guys ever seen a vietnamese youtube video with SEO?
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fuck me a random forum here is also all over that dress image
I have no idea what's so interesting about it
 
fuck I well, actually'd someone again
shit
 
ITT Bartek is a serial killer.
 
@AlexM. Beats me. Maybe it's happy-hour in bars somewhere.
 
I've seen so many optical illusions or w/e on the internet
that honestly if someone showed me another I'd just say "yeah I know it's cool, now let me work"
 
2:30 PM
@AlexM. I saw the face of Jesus in that linker error dump earlier.
 
@BartekBanachewicz: Pray tell, which of the facts that I stated are subjective? That passing objects as values breaks polymorphism? That objects as value types requires hassles like copy constructors and causes messes like object slicing? That all the hidden gotchas that it introduces is the reason why C# and other OO languages chose not to follow C++'s object model? — Mason Wheeler 2 mins ago
This guy's a PITA
 
Xeo
"Of course, the real correct answer is to not use a singleton, period." - I have to disagree, singletons have a purpose, they're overused and misused a lot, but they have a purpose. — Leandros 14 mins ago
ugh
 
lol
 
> I'am a 19 years old mobile applications developer with experience on both Android and iOS for several years now. I'am currently finishing my school and plan to go to the university next year, although spending a year or two working before university is a possibility as well.
better listen to him, he's seen things
 
Xeo
nononono
bad @Jefffrey
don't start a discussion under my answer
I don't want those pings
time to go home
 
2:42 PM
lol
 
@Xeo lol there we go again
 
Bartek has joined the game
 
@Leandros well, don't leave us hanging there like that. Give us an example from your experience. — Alex M. 5 secs ago
I had no reason to join in but why not lol
 
@MasonWheeler: "is a horrendous mess" sounds subjective enough. This was already discussed in a long comment thread to another answer of yours; the thread got nuked (unfortunately, because it contained useful comments although in flame war sauce). I don't think it's worth repeating the whole thing here, but "C# got it right and C++ got it wrong" (which seems to be the message you're trying to convey) is indeed a subjective statement. — Andy Prowl 3 mins ago
Damn it I didn't resist
Hopefully I won't get stuck in another "conversation" with him
 
/cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
2:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Guys, you're ganging up on him.
1 hour ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@orlp Oh, it comes in indigo and black, too?
 
@BartekBanachewicz wow she manages to look good in that dress too
 
@MasonWheeler By objective facts of you spreading hateful, subjective opinions, I form a subjective opinion that you're a jerk. — Bartek Banachewicz 7 secs ago
I'm on a roll.
 
Sigh.
@BartekBanachewicz There's no need to post that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, no need to go full puppy like that
 
inb4 entire thread zapped.
 
2:47 PM
It will either kill the discussion by him ignoring everything from now on, or turn it into a slapfest.
 
I have no popcorn or twiglets:(
 
@MasonWheeler This is not a place for your subjective conclusions. Kindly stick to the facts (which, I am afraid, won't leave much of this answer). — Bartek Banachewicz 5 secs ago
@AndyProwl Better?
 
FWIW, I think he's right.
 
I think he's right too.
Doesn't mean I can't argue with him.
 
No, I mean I think he's right in his defense.
 
2:48 PM
I do remember turn of the century copy constructors and virtual assignmeent ops.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You really have nothing better to do? Why are you stoking the fires if you agree with him?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno, I don't feel he should be rewarded for posting pet hates.
 
@AndyProwl It's a nice dress
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ew
@BartekBanachewicz Yep, not rude
 
well slightly rude
Programmers.jpg anyway
 
2:51 PM
I don't find it rude
not the edited version I mean
It may be perceived as slightly arrogant or aggressive, but not rude
 
I don't like copy/move ctors either, (the number of objects in my Windows apps that are actually copyable, moveable or assignable is approx. zero), but I would not wish to remove the functionality from C++ else it would become C-sharpish.
 
Oh, I forgot about virtual destructors everywhere.
 
Bartek hating on people without even believing his own crap, again?
Sweet.
 
@MartinJames I'm pretty sure your app uses some std::vector or std::string :P
 
OH FFS he's going on LSP again
 
2:56 PM
we scared that Leandros kid away
 
It's amazing to me how you can act like a total C++ fanboy when you don't even like C++
 
@AndyProwl Well, similar, but my Windows apps are all Delphi. Class instances are all heap-allocated and string types are COW on heap. The various object containers only need to contain pointer/reference types.
 
why the fuck don't they freeze the comment threads
instead of deleting them
 
@MartinJames Does Delphi have copy/move ctors too?
 
Oh - it's gone? Surprise.
 
2:59 PM
@MartinJames nah from the other answer
he also wrote some bullshit about lsp there
 
he wrote a lot of bullshit IIRC
 
@BartekBanachewicz The problem is not a long, off-topic comment thread getting longer. The problem is a long, off-topic comment thread existing at all.
 
unfortunately "IIRC" isn't enough
 
like "objects allocated on the stack violate LSP"
 
@AndyProwl No. They are not requires unless you specifically code a copy overload ctor for some special purpose.
 
3:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I hope that makes the situation clearer for you. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Cheers & hth.
Although I do rather wish they'd migrate to a chatroom so we don't lose all the content without warning. Cos that's just plain fucking rude.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that.
 
^^ yes.
 
I don't care if it's under that answer
I want to cite people who said he's talking bullshit.
 
whoa, these guys make Chorizo pizza
first time I see it
 
The LSP mention is spot-on.
vOv
I think you guys are acting like fanboys.
 
3:02 PM
I wonder if I can get a chorizo + spicy salami + onions + hot peppers mix
that should be the ultimate hot pizza
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bartek, a prime C++ fanboy
on his daily quest
 
lol
 
Xeo
yay, home
 
If you think about it instead of just discarding it because he mentioned it at some other time and it didn't make sense, you'd have a much better discussion.
(Or no discussion at all, because you'd realise he is right)
 
he's right that C++ is a fucking mess alright
 
3:03 PM
No.
He's right that the way C++ does this is a horrendous mess.
You didn't even read his answer properly.
 
@AlexM. Yay! Go for it.
 
You shouldn't have posted a single word in the comments there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TBQF I commented on his voicing on subjective opinions, not meritorical value
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You guys suck.
@AlexM. ^
 
@Xeo he didn't respond, at least
 
3:05 PM
@Xeo it's ok
 
@BartekBanachewicz How does it matter? You commented on the subjective opinions that are not written on the answer.
 
now we can flag his comment out as too chatty or something
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
he's right that C++ is a fucking mess alright
Namely this.
 
that was inferred from his general writing
 
@Xeo he looks like one smug motherfucker
 
3:06 PM
"Between that and all the other messes that you run into in C++ by having inheritable objects as value types (copy constructors and object slicing come to mind!) the best solution is to Just Say No." - I agree with Bartek that this is a subjective rant.
 
a little bit of humility won't hurt him
 
@AlexM. Whereas I suspect it would literally kill Bartek
 
@AlexM. Don't try and change him! I like my Barteks the way they are.
 
lol
 
I guess it would be nice if you all stopped acting like little children.
 
3:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why don't you start then and give a good example
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm only 21
 
@AndyProwl That's not a rant. It is subjective, yes, but it states what he thinks is the best solution.
 
Granted, C++ could be better, but "C# got it right and C++ got it wrong" is a very subjective message.
 
22 in a week or so
I'm still a kid
 
[sigh] is the pub open yet?
 
3:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I have acted professionally and maturely with Mason throughout the entire encounter. What is your problem?
 
@AndyProwl It isn't very subjective, because it is very hard to argue objectively against it.
 
God do I really have to plonk Bartek again
You used to be so fun
Now you're just a wanker frankly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's programmers.se in a nutshell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh god do it please
 
lunchtime - be better by the time I get back mmkay
thanks
 
3:08 PM
my best mate went on to get a chick and is most likely thinking about getting married
very depressing
now don't you tell me to grow up
 
@BartekBanachewicz If it's not clear yet, I'm trying to show that you are the problem here.
 
Why is std::cin >> int a; invalid?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so. I think it makes sense for the user of a type to decide what semantics they want to use it with. It has advantages.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's an offtopic bin. On SO it would be closed as opinion-based and the debate wouldn't even start
on Programmers he gets 40 upvotes and supposedly this represents the community views
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. It would also be nuked at knifeforums.com. Not impressive, though.
 
3:09 PM
no one sane will write counteranswer with his own opinion because that's dumb and SO figured it is
the whole site should be nuked, not the comment thread
 
You're ranting.
 
Xeo
@Elvisjames Because a declaration is a statement, and statements can not be used as expressions.
 
Go for a walk.
 
@Xeo Thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes NO I'm voicing my subjective opinion basing on objective facts
sigh
 
3:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it's an objective fact that "no one sane will write counteranswer with his own opinion because that's dumb and SO figured it is".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..off a short plonk?
 
@Jefffrey if you think I'm spoiled by the "real world", here you go
> those dirty, ugly and bad objects-with-value-semantic
 
I always feel uneasy when I do if ((something) && (something else that depends on something to be true))
even if I know that something else won't be executed if something is not true
 
I want to delete my account on programmers
how do I do it
 
@AndyProwl Fair enough. I still think you guys are seeing big problems with the answer that really aren't that big. The answer may be opinionated but it does contain facts, and it doesn't really contain anything as blunt as "C# got it right". The very first sentences establish that C# did it that way to avoid problems from C++'s mess.
 
3:15 PM
e.g. if ((something is not null) && (use something here))
 
I don't know, maybe not using those dirty, ugly, and bad objects-with-reference-semantics? — Bartek Banachewicz 1 min ago
@Bartek I really think you need to cool down.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose that's up to Programmers.se mods
since they seem to dwell in that rant in general, I don't think my comments stand out there
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't have to be if you stop.
 
anyway I'm not going to post there anymore, fuck that site
 
You don't have to go all the way past the line. You can stop before crossing it.
 
3:17 PM
What line?
 
The line where the mods will suspend you.
 
Why would they suspend bartek?
 
are suspensions SE-wide?
 
yes
 
because frankly I don't respect mods on Programming.se
 
3:18 PM
but IIRC they don't reach SO
at least chat suspensions don't
 
@AlexM. wut
 
if you get suspended for example on programmers.se chat
you can only chat on SO chatrooms
on the others you can't
different platforms and servers and whatever
SO is not part of the same SE programmers is part of... technically
you get what I mean
 
so I'd say be suspended on Music.SE if I got banned on programmers.se?
Very well designed
 
I'm not sure about the actual site but I'd think it's the same
after all someone being a nuisance on programmers.se could just as well be a nuisance on music.se :P
 
"just as well" isn't even remotely correct, considering how dumb programmers.se is compared to other sites
is there any "let's delete programmers.se" post I can upvote
 
3:22 PM
now you're just ranting
my issue with programmers.se is that they output uninteresting content
but I solved that issue by not visiting programmers.se
5
you could do the same
 
@AlexM. lol
 
7 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose that's up to Programmers.se mods
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I admit I might be biased by the (mostly nonsense) stuff the guy wrote in the other comment thread, but to me that answer really reads like "C# got it right, C++ got it wrong" (what else could "the best solution is to Just Say No" mean?).
 
> Those two questions would most likely have been caught by the question quality filters on SO
 
Because he's seemingly willing to keep being an ass until the mods suspend him.
 
3:23 PM
but they're shitty enough for programmers dont worry
 
@AlexM. I told him before.
 
>If you have a question about…
> * design patterns
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm pretty sure they have that possibility for particularly egregious cases.
 
All subjective questions are expected to be constructive. How do we define that? Constructive subjective questions …

inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”.
tend to have long, not short, answers.
have a constructive, fair, and impartial tone.
have a constructive, fair, and impartial tone.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What if the reason C# is like that is not based on a fair and impartial assessment?
 
3:27 PM
Has anyone read "Pro Asynchronous Programming with .NET"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't change the fact you are supposed to be fair and impartial when describing that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where's the impartiality?
 
> the best solution
 
Suppose the following:
Q: Why did you design C# that way?
Anders Hejlsberg: Because the way C++ does it is a horrendous mess, and the best solution is to just say no.
 
in a way, that's a quote.
because he's quoting himself, he doesn't need to quote explicitely.
 
3:31 PM
funny, if you'd have asked me who designed C# I wouldn't know what to answer
and if I had to guess
I'd have said Jon Skeet
lol
 
from a perspective of a person answering the question, he/she has to state the facts.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The point is that a misguided reason is still a good answer to the question.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes then mason should answer "because of misguided reasons <quote>"
he's endorsing the misguided reasons in his answer
 
@BartekBanachewicz But then he would have to explain why they are misguided.
 
-7
Q: most occurring tourists spots

Sumant Gupta.You are given n strings, where every string represents the various tourist spots you visit every month. Each character of the string represents a tour spot you visited. Each string ranges may from 1 to k travel spots. The strings have combination of these characters from length 1 to maximum k. Th...

 
3:32 PM
You suck at impartiality.
 
it's like "why is C# designed that way - because X and I like it"
 
The Austin Powers comment... Hahaha
 
the "I like it" part is unnecessary
 
And FWIW, I see no problem with saying the best solution is to not add the problems.
 
I may be given things, but I will not necessarily accept them. — Alex M. just now
 
3:33 PM
and so is the "which I don't like" in "it's not like C++, which I don't like"
 
plz ,, i need any answer of my question before the date 1 march 2015..suggest in any the language c, c++, or java.. — Sumant Gupta. 4 mins ago
lol wtf
 
@BartekBanachewicz None of that is in the answer.
You're reading it like a fanboy.
 
> The reason C# (and Java and essentially every other OO language developed after C++) did not copy C++'s model in this aspect is because the way C++ does it is a horrendous mess.
 
Yes. There's no statement of liking there.
 
> The reason C# (and Java and essentially every other OO language developed after C++) did not copy C++'s model in this aspect is because the creators thought that QUOTE "the way C++ does it is a horrendous mess"
 
3:35 PM
It seems correct enough too.
 
see the difference?
 
@BartekBanachewicz The way C++ does it is a horrendous mess. You have even agreed to it already.
 
doesn't mean he's entitled to writing that like it's an obvious truth
 
I hope you're not trying to tell me all this is because he used the h-word there.
 
@AlexM. Meh, I love references, and I love Austin Powers so I prefer the other one :p
 
3:36 PM
mine is not a reference
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah. That's probably why there are more paragraphs in the answer.
 
replaced things with strings to make the joke even more obvious
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wait, what?
People aren't allowed to form opinions by themselves without citing some guru or expert on the matter?
 
Too subtle for me I guess, I missed it lol
 
Slicing is stupid and pointless, and this is from someone that used slicing to solve an actual real world problem in a reasonable, solid, and performant manner.
7
 
3:38 PM
@Rerito mostly has to do with this
> You are given n strings
 
lol TIL this guy is a mod on Christianity.SE
you know what I've changed my mind you're right robot I was wrong
 
aaaaaa I finally have a working message bus
 
i want to go home
 
I'll allow it
 
hmm can anyone think of a reason someone would do int - (int * 0.5) instead of int - (int /2)?
the double promotion seem unnecessary
 
3:46 PM
preference
I guess
 
multiplication is faster than division
 
I use division when I want to divide
 
Integer division
 
</troll>
 
I use multiplication when I want to multiply
 
3:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus (by 2)
 
@BartekBanachewicz it is but floating point conversion seems odd
and slow
 
Doesn't matter, the result will be truncated
 
why not int - (int >> 1)
 
@Mgetz pretty sure that was a joke
and the compiler optimizes it anyway
 
Depends on the result type I guess
 
3:48 PM
@CatPlusPlus getting assigned to an int, so implicit conversion e.g. truncation
 
@Mgetz I can't
 
whelp, one way to find out I guess. Change it and test
 
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this looks tasty
 
@Mgetz Do you have enough automated tests though? Manual tests may not spot the potential difference (although I don't believe there is any)
 
@AndyProwl no, this codebase is largely legacy and this is UI code anyway
 
3:51 PM
> So to store a graph I need a data structure with following properties:
constant time deletion
constant time insertion
constant time for getting the first element (or any remaining element)
so he's looking for the perfect datastructure?
 
@Mgetz All right, if it's not critical than go ahead
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz Doesn't that perform incorrectly in cases of negative numbers?
 
Just look at it in the context of the age of the universe, and everything is amortised O(1)
Except UUIDs
 
lol
> constant time for getting the first element (or any remaining element)
what's the point of mentioning the first element?
 
@Lalaland No.
 
3:52 PM
> It turns out that stl list can't rearrange elements in constant time (correct me if I'm wrong). So I've created my own implementation.
lol
 
@AndyProwl s/that whole thing/I've no idea what I'm talking about/
 
@Lalaland Why would division by two perform incorrectly for negative numbers?
 
@AndyProwl I want your 10$
And the rest of your money, too
 
ahahah
 
user406009
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am talking about Bartek's suggestion of "int - (int >> 1)"
 
3:54 PM
@Borgleader Oh, I can do that, I think. If I block on all the calls, that is a constant, infinite time.
 
@Lalaland Yes. And >> 1 means "divide by two".
I am serious.
That's exactly how it's defined.
>> 2 means "divide by four", and so on.
 
im pretty sure it's disassembled to shr, not div tho
 
user1804599
@Richard a < b < c in Python is identical to a < b and b < c. Please stop telling lies. — райтфолд 11 secs ago
 
@Lalaland Oh wait, I confused with left shift.
Left shift is always multiplication.
Right shift can be implementation-defined.
@BartekBanachewicz That's not interesting because / 2 will also be shr.
 

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