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Ell
12:00 AM
Me too, I'd be having words
 
@MartinJames I tried driving lessons once, but they didn't go well at all. There was apparently a little bit of a misunderstanding--but you should have seen those golfers run!
 
user1804599
A life without interference
oh how wonderful that would be.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@rightføld I thought that too, but then I discovered Lounge<C++>
 
user1804599
C++ has type interference.
 
12:02 AM
inference?
 
user1804599
It's a pun, you silly fool.
 
There we go again...
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
epic fail
 
user1804599
Oh well, I have a backup potato.
 
user1804599
12:03 AM
I like potatoes.
 
Ell
Me too
Especially deep fried accompanied with slices of mystery meat
 
user1804599
I want to learn about data structures.
 
@rightføld What's the problem?
There are several books on that.
 
user1804599
I never implemented hash tables or BSTs.
 
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Or anything like those.
 
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12:06 AM
Or finger trees or R–B trees stuff like that.
 
user1804599
Only arrays and cons lists. :3
 
Let's see what happens lol
:D
 
user1804599
dupe noob
 
@rightføld Screw you rightfold, why didn't you tell me earlier -.-
 
@rightføld ...and what's stopping you? Read the description, and then implement it, based on how it's supposed to work.
It's fun.
 
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12:09 AM
@milleniumbug Nothing is stopping me.
 
Rediscovering is fun <3
 
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@milleniumbug There is no problem.
 
I guess they removed hats.
 
Hats are buggy here
 
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Yeah, hats are gone on Stack Overflow too.
 
12:10 AM
Oh well
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's a big "fuck you" from SO to LRiO
 
user1804599
Can you make constraint aliases in Haskell?
 
user1804599
E.g. constraint A a = (Eq a, Show a); f :: A a => [a] -> a
 
That would be a new type, different from the one you are aliasing.
 
user1804599
No, constraints aren't types.
 
12:13 AM
Oh wait. Misread.
I thought you meant like: type (Eq a) => X a = Else a
 
user1804599
Ah.
 
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{-# LANGUAGE ConstraintKinds #-}
type Stringy a = (Read a, Show a)
foo :: Stringy a => a -> (String, String -> a)
foo x = (show x, read)
 
user1804599
Neat.
 
Nice. TIL.
 
user1804599
> With the ConstraintKinds extension introduced in GHC 7.4, constraints are now types of kind Constraint
 
12:25 AM
Nopearino Pansino — BWG 37 secs ago
 
@Columbo NOPEarino
 
@Columbo Why did you say no? It's perfectly possible.
 
@orlp 'scuse me?
 
No. What do you need this for? — Columbo 10 mins ago
 
Dude
I think you misunderstood what question precisely I answered.
 
12:38 AM
What is there to misunderstand? You're the first comment, so there is only one question.
> Would it be possible to have it overflow at for example 200? Without using if statements.
The answer to that is not no.
 
There is a POD type that overflows at 200? Can I have one?
 
Where did he/she ask for a POD type?
 
@MartinJames ... you mean arithmetic.
Apart from that, ack.
 
Look, it's a fucking stupid question anyway. The OP's if() and the modulo shit prolly all optimize down the same assembler.
 
@MartinJames I don't think so.
 
12:45 AM
That, and OP wants 'quicker', whatever that means.
 
Maybe he said that in some comment, which is after anything Columbo said. I just answered the question OP posted.
 
All that, and OP is controlling a stepper - a moving thingy. Moving thingies are slow, so there's no point in trying to optimize the if().
 
Again, that's not in the question.
I'm just answering the question, not playing a guessing game what OP wants to do.
 
@orlp When I got there: 'I was looking for a way to keep track of a postion of a stepper. I use if statements now. So if larger than a fullrev subtract a fullrev. And vica versa. I was hoping there would be a quicker way'
 
bye hats
+1 for appropriately indignant tone. — copper.hat 4 hours ago
ahahaha
#winning
 
12:54 AM
Some meta posters seem to want to keep their hats. I was kinda hoping that they would disappear for good.
 
Fuck the meta.
 
That too.
 
@MartinJames Happened last year too
 
 
12:59 AM
@orlp So somebody decided to scan a piece...
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit whatever floats their boat
 
@Ell Does your boat float?
 
Ell
Yes
 
have any idea of what the minimum hardware reqs would be for a dedicated couchpotato box?
Think a pi would suffice?
 
1:08 AM
Software would be a problem. Maybe a Celeron NUC?
 
Ell
I'm making grilled cheese sandwhiches for breakfast tomorrow
Speaking of breakfast
 
Blah thats way to expensive
 
Ell
Havent seen @guruadrian for a while
 
Looks really nice tough..
 
Ell
@DavidKron what price range do you want?
 
1:10 AM
@Ell The Nuc is not to much actually..
 
@DavidKron The Celeron is like just half the price of the i series ones, I guess. Though yeah, with you having to buy RAM and storage, it would get pricier.
 
Ell
Below $100 ?
 
Altough it would be nice to have a mount for hardrive
Above 100 is fine
 
I dont like having plugged externals to it
 
Ell
1:11 AM
You could try one of the beagleboards?
 
Not over 100 bucks for just a board, derp :p
 
Ell
What do you want to do with it?
There is an $89 board
 
Download movies, put them on a hardrive, and allow me to stream to from my other raspberry
 
Ell
Just downloading and streaming? Surely a pi would do
Though I guess decoding video might not be quick enough
 
@Ell Well yeah, it would.
 
1:15 AM
Oh and its the nice webserver it provides aswell, that might require some, dunno
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There's an idea I came up with now, about the "why is ' a digit separator"
 
It would be really nice to have like a solid box tough
 
It's not an answer because it's about ","
 
Instead of a pi with external hardrive etc
 
Ell
Man. Chef John from foodwishes.com
 
1:16 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Boost.Assign will be broken if comma was used as a digit separator
 
Ell
He is the nicest sounding guy I've ever heard
 
It uses code like std::vector<int> a; a += 1,2,3,4,5,6,7;
 
That ^, is the wierdest thing ive ever seen
To bad it makes sense
 
@DavidKron It is. It's unfortunate, but this is how some people emulated initializer lists before C++11.
I dislike such operator abuse.
 
Ah well, atleast people dont abuse operators as they do C code, otherwise we would be fucked.
 
1:24 AM
@milleniumbug frak it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's wearable tech!
 
Samsung smartanklebracelet
 
well, at least they have each other. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
as long as they don't breach bail conditions.
 
Ell
@milleniumbug how is it abuse? O.o
 
@Ell What counts, and what doesn't as operator overloading abuse is mostly subjective, but here goes my rationale:
The stuff on the left is not defined by the creator of this overload, and the right is builtin type.
 
Ell
1:34 AM
I'm getting hysterically excited for grilled cheese
Man it's bad
Food shouldn't excite me so much
 
I have spent the whole day on SO.
 
@Ell Yes, it should. What shouldn't excite you is mediocre food, so that had better be some really superb cheese to justify such excitement.
@edition Hi, nice to meet you. Since you've been here all day, and I'm new here, can you tell me about this place?
 
Fuck me:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27772329/assaravanakumar-assaravanakumar-assaravanakumar-assaravanakumar-assaravanakumar
 
You were so busy writing code here that you forgot to write your question? — milleniumbug 7 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit true love towards technology not towards each other?
 
1:38 AM
@Martin what was the question?
oh wait, is there a question?
 
@edition That is the question!
 
@edition No idea. After the first few page-downs, I stopped looking and went straight for close.
 
@JerryCoffin how old is this user? I mean, I am 17, and I could write a question from 7...
why do I need 50 reputation points to comment?
 
@edition Just to piss you off!
 
aaaaaaaaaah
 
1:42 AM
@edition Spammer barrier, I think.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin I'm also thinking of a mushrom risotto I'm going to make for lunch
Or maybe I'll make onion soup
 
Spam question/answer will be flagged and downvoted into oblivion, however, with comment, there is no reputation at stake, and also, comments aren't tracked.
 
@Ell 'shroomies...sounds pretty tasty.
 
Ell
And if I'm feeling extra proactive I'll pastrami spice some duck breasts to marinate for the day after
 
So the only person notified about the comment is the poster of the question/answer.
 
1:44 AM
@milleniumbug You can notify one (and only one) other person with @ notation.
 
Ell
As for the cheese, I'm currently making my way through a wedge of this:en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Derby
Though I might just use mature cheddar for my grilled cheese sandwich
 
So a spammer with a comment can notify one or two people max.
 
finally got air conditioner installed ...
 
@Ell Hmm... I live in Derbyshire and have not seen that. Looks good. I'll keep a look out.
 
They don't sell Sage Derby in NZ.
 
1:47 AM
On the other hand, spam question will be noticed immediately because of million people observing front page of SO.
 
Ell
@MartinJames its very tasty. Pretty mild though
As you read only aged for a couple months
But still very tasty imho
 
Cheese++
 
@Ell I got a box of 'weird cheeses' for Christmas. I'm currently eating my way through 'Peakland with Tomato and Garlic' ;)
 
Ell
Sounds interesting :P
 
@Ell That one is a bit crumbly. I try to slice it for a sandwich and it falls to bits. I have to pour it on to the bread:)
 
2:10 AM
@MartinJames Most of the best cheese is at least a little crumbly (IMO, obviously).
 
@edition :)
Sorry, I just flagged this answer since I don't think this tone is appropriate (from you, deliberately and incessantly, across many SE sites). Will see if the moderators deem this actionable. — AAA 43 mins ago
precious little snowflake strikes again
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah - I don't like runny or springy cheese. If I can pour it, or bend it, I don't really want it:)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Telkitty?
 
@MartinJames no, AAA
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
suppose I'd best get some sleep
back to the grind etc
 
2:20 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sorry, how did my comment break the rules?
 
@edition huh? what comment?
 
@edition If you're referring to the message below the response, it's not directed to you.
 
You were going to serve me to the moderators?
 
@edition No; I was quoting someone serving me to the moderators.
For a tasty snack
 
whew. So I was not a bad person?
 
2:22 AM
You were not
 
:)
 
> this is quote formatting
note the vertical dotted line on the left
click on the embedded link to see context
 
thanks
 
you are welcome
nighty night
 
Something else offtopic: I have decided not to get drunk on my 18th this year.
 
2:31 AM
@edition I assume that you were drunk when you decided that?
 
no?
Hey, they should celebrate birthdays on SO!
 
@edition That's very noble of you.
 
why not?
 
@edition Stack Overflow (not chat, nor meta) hates fun. And for a very good reason.
 
@milleniumbug what about the Winter hats?
 
2:36 AM
@edition They (sort of) do. Every anniversary of your membership, you get a badge (assuming you've participated and made at least a little reputation during that year).
 
:(
 
@edition That's a thing that somehow eluded me while writing the statement above.
So, ok. So instead of unconditionally hating fun, they only mostly hate it.
 
please
 
@milleniumbug It's not really about hating fun. It's mostly about willingness to deal with volume. At least IMO, most people want to read about 3 to 5 good posts a day. They're willing to deal with about 100 total posts per day in the hope of finding those fewer good ones. When their volume (filtered by tags, etc., as they see fit) goes much higher than 100/day, they start to look for ways to keep the volume manageable, and nearly the first is to work harder at defining topicality much more tightly.
 
If programming wasn't fun, I would have never signed up for an SO account.
 
2:52 AM
..and so the crap moves to bash scripts, (as if scripts were not crap enough already):
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27772768/give-increment-decrement-operators-undefined-behaviour-in-bash
 
Good mornin'
 
@MartinJames upvoted your comment.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hello.
 
@edition Yeah - every time I see such code I just.. . I dunno.
 
3:05 AM
which version of Qt should I download?
 
@edition The best one, obviously.
 
GPL?
 
@edition Are you planning to open-source your code?
 
@edition You select at the installer if you use the community version.
So only one download if you use that version.
 
...ok
 
3:14 AM
TLDR LGPL, but I highly recommend you to know more.
 
3:58 AM
Funnily, if you disclose source changes you've made to Qt it's useless for Qt
Even if you fixed some bug or improved some performance, Qt can't merge your work
since they would then be unable to re-license your work under their commercial license
 
4:17 AM
@orlp Which makes me wonder though. What if it's an obvious one-line fix? If you release that fix as GPL, then they can never use it. So you've effectively "denied" Qt a fix. There's only one way to fix it, and you've blocked it by putting it under GPL.
 
@Mysticial welcome to software patents
 
Sounds like an excellent way to troll open-source projects.
 
it gets worse
in a thought experiment
imagine that I grew up in a black box
never any contact with the outside world
invent programming and computers
 
Yeah, patents will apply retroactively if there's no proof of prior existance.
 
invent an algorithm and then distribute it
if someone else independently invented that algorithm and patented it
 
4:19 AM
So if you keep something a trade secret and someone patents it, they can come after you.
 
the thing I invented is still illegal
@Mysticial not anymore
 
Gives another aspect to "code duplication is a bad thing".
 
patent law has been changed to first-to-file from first-to-invent
 
@orlp What country? I was told otherwise in our patent training at work.
 
I'm talking USA
when did you take patent training?
 
4:20 AM
1 month ago.
 
> The first-to-file system is used in all countries,[1] including the United States, which switched to a first-inventor-to-file (FITF) system on March 16, 2013 after the enactment of the America Invents Act.
First to file (FTF) and first to invent (FTI) are legal concepts that define who has the right to the grant of a patent for an invention. The first-to-file system is used in all countries, including the United States, which switched to a first-inventor-to-file (FITF) system on March 16, 2013 after the enactment of the America Invents Act. There is an important difference between the strict nature of the FTF under the EPO and the FITF system of the USPTO. The USPTO FITF system affords early disclosers some "grace" time before they need to file a patent, whereas the EPO does not recognise any grace...
 
They explicitly told us to disclose every single thing that could even remotely be an invention. The legal team will decide whether or not to do a defensive publication to defend against patent trolls.
 
oh
 
But what if you can't prove that it's first to invent? (as is the case with server-side code).
 
no, even if you could prove first to invent
first to invent is irrelevant now
prior art is what matters
unpublished things do not count as prior art
but software patents are total fucking bullshit
 
4:24 AM
Basically, if your server is using a trade-secret algorithm that you never disclose (because you want to maintain a competitive advantage), and someone else independently comes up with the same thing and patents it, they can come after you because you.
That would be why you file a patent in the first place. But when it's really competitive, you don't want to do even that because people outside your jurisdiction will copy it anyway and you can't do anything about it.
 
I think the burden of proof of violation of their patent lies on their end?
So they need to be guilty of espionage?
 
@orlp I don't know. It basically comes down to whoever has the most expensive lawyers.
 
And that's why patent law is bullshit.
It doesn't protect anyone except those with expensive lawyers.
 
So they told us to just disclose everything, and "qualified lawyers" will decide whether to 1) keep a trade secret, 2) patent, 3) defensive publication.
 
Disclose to whom?
Disclosing to the public and decision #1 are mutually exclusive
 
4:28 AM
There's an internal site where you list any sort of invention that you did for work.
 
Ah k
I've posted this on reddit (about my devector), but still I get 0 references on prior literature on this datastructure
 
@orlp Well, it also protects the expensive lawyers.
 
4:46 AM
Some tradesperson costs $300 for an hour work, so I think it's okey for a lawyer to charge $500 for 2 hours work ...
 
@orlp This isn't entirely false, but it's mostly irrelevant--if a little guy with little money has a good enough patent, excellent lawyers will be happy to work now and get paid when they win a case. The reality is that when a big company beats a smaller one in a patent case, it's usually because they have better patents, not better attorneys.
 
@JerryCoffin And who writes those better patents?
And the circle is complete!
 
@orlp Usually patent agents (who are considered "attorneys", by the PTO, but not by normal courts). In the end, it's not usually about who wrote the patent either though--it's about who had the best invention(s).
 
I have an exam in 4 hours
yay...
oh well, at least it forced me to spend some time learning about KMP and LZW
 
@orlp KMP, but no mention of BM or BMH? Seems strange.
 
4:55 AM
@JerryCoffin BM BMH is mentioned but not discussed
eehm, BMH is not mentioned, but Aho-Corasick is mentioned
@JerryCoffin either way, for a data structures class that lasts half a year handling binary search trees, AVL tree, B trees, RB trees, splay trees, priority queues (binary heap, leftist heap), graphs, depth-first, breadth-first, disjoint sets, union-find, minimal spanning trees, kruskal's, prim's, dijkstra, topological sorting, hash tables, perfect hash, open addressing modes, huffman, LZW and KMP is quite a lot
 
@orlp oh--"other methods", right.
@orlp Yes, it's quite a lot. Just that KMP instead of BM seems like an odd decision. If I were going to discuss just one, it'd probably be Sunday's variant of BMH, and KMP would be relegated to the "other methods" section.
 
which reminds me, I still need to learn all that stuff about graphs in ~2 hours
fun :P
 
@orlp But you just said you have 4 hours. Don't tell me you're going to stop for a nap or something stupid like that.
 
I have the exam in 4 hours
that doesn't include travel time, showering, eating, etc
 
@orlp Showering and eating fall under "something stupid". :-)
 
5:04 AM
Hey, why stop at our house? We could burn down ALL these houses for the insurance money.
2
 
thanks feeds
I didn't need that last page of chat history anyway
 
Anyone tried to have seafood plate or beef nacho while doing an engineering exam?
 
@JerryCoffin I think I have a very healthy attitude towards exams
 
@chmod711telkitty Somebody probably has.
 
@JerryCoffin people severely underestimate how much stress will block you mentally
 
5:06 AM
I used to lose weight preparing for uni exams
 
even if it means that you'll not be able to learn all material, better do it calm and relaxed than pump at max rate and not retain anything
 
Long time ago ...
 
@orlp I never had a problem with it, but I guess some do.
 
Took more study load / units than anyone I know of ...
 
On the other hand I'm exceptionally gifted towards education performance without any real effort, so I guess I have a bit of an edge there...
Funnily I've heard all my life that I need to start working now (at time t) or it'll bite me back at time t + 1.
 
5:08 AM
@orlp Not sure, but it sounds like you may have missed a bit if irony/sarcasm in my post. I'm pretty sure I've never once studied at all during the 8 or 10 hours leading up to an exam.
I never really set any kind of policy/guideline against doing so, but never felt any need to do so either so I took the lazy route and didn't. From what (little?) I can recall, the results were usually fairly adequate.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah. I usually only study during the 8-10 hours leading up to an exam.
In high school it was basically never.
But in Uni that doesn't work, because there's finally some stuff that I didn't already know or can make up myself on the exam.
(I miss most lectures)
 
@orlp Assuming decent classes, skipping the lectures won't lose much as long as you read the book.
 
I'm just a bit sad that the system doesn't really work for the few % that are on top.
I could've learned so much more if I didn't spend 6 years in what's about the equivalent of high school here
could probably condense all that down to 1-2 years
 
5:34 AM
Some of the best meals I had were during lectures - nothing beats the idea of having meals dangerous while hungry ...
Gave me as much pleasure as trolling meta
 
dangerous?
you weren't allowed to eat in your uni?
 
@MartinJames Nice DP ;)
 
Not during lectures ...
 
@chmod711telkitty That's bullshit, here you can just eat.
Maybe not full-sized plates of pasta
but if you eat bread, crisps, candy, whatever it's fine, same for drinking
 
@StackedCrooked A more recent one. ;)
Too bad, no 2015.
 
Interesting ... So what are you guys trying to do with it? 😓
 
Troll Trawl those cables!
End of the world, and we get fish!
 
today there's breakfast at work
 
6:14 AM
Just so you all come early?
 
I suppose so :)
have to be there at 9
 
Donuts? Cakes?
 
@StackedCrooked WTF is going on in Puerto Rico? There won't be any room on the beach 'cos of all the cables:)
 
but they get high-speed internet for compensation
@MarkGarcia cool I still have some potato chips
 
@StackedCrooked I hope you have eaten your own breakfast.
 
6:27 AM
using the chips as pre-breakfast.
with some coffee
 
Very healthy I see ... Put on much weight during recent holiday season?
 
6:55 AM
@StackedCrooked check your slapping privilege
I wonder what would happen if they did the same but swapped girls/boys
 
moanings. Back to the office today. Let's see if I can remember the passwords
And what I was working on
@StackedCrooked FB-only?
 
@sehe I still have your password here somewhere, gimme a sec...
There we go
"hunter2"
I just copy pasted your stars you posted a while back
 
 
1 hour later…
8:11 AM
Wat everyone here already knew:
 
@rubenvb Shouldn't it be positive feedback?
Welp, "vicious circle" differs from "vicious cycle".
 
@MarkGarcia Say what?
 
You guys are beautiful
I like you
 
@rubenvb yeah none of that is surprising Shrug Makes me sad when scientists go "this is the opposite of what we expected". I'm like, well have you spent any time at all on social networks then?
 
@rubenvb so the author refers to it as "negative feedback" just to reinforce the idea of it being negative... good thing I haven't read the article yet.
Ah, don't mind me.
 
8:17 AM
@MarkGarcia heh
 
Bootstrap why does your airplane glyph look like s***?!
I'm not willing to haul in a whole glyph icon library, and I don't want to use Bootstrap's either. What do?
 
thanks! That saved me going through desktop support
/haha we don't have that
@MarkGarcia buckle up and swallow it
 
Who made this is either drunk or too pedantic.
Or too pedantic for the wrong plane.
 
8:37 AM
... I don't think these people I work with understand what unit testing is...
 
@MarkGarcia it's clearly a penguin silhouette
@MarkGarcia pædantic*
 
8:54 AM
@StackedCrooked Yes the sexes in play are really important here.
It's not "be against violence". It's "be against violence towards females".
 
So slapping someone on request (not a random person, and also not for reasons of conflict), is violence now?
 
such hard questions on Monday morning
 
@Jefffrey the trombanes play a grater role
 

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