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11:00 PM
> Apple finally offers tool for fixing lost messages issue for Android switchers androidauthority.com/de-register-imessage-tool-565648
this is the most absurd thing I've read in a while
you switch from iPhone to Android and because of iMessage, your messages don't get sent anymore
 
Xeo
@rightføld "Maedchen" is neuter, ye, but if you refer to a Maedchen, you will say "sie" (her)
 
@rightføld I have no idea about grammar
 
user1804599
@AlexM. In retarded governments, it's the carrier's business to decide which internet traffic to allow. In less retarded governments it's illegal to take any measures based on the internet traffic; you have to allow all traffic and treat all traffic equally.
 
user1804599
@Xeo Is it a special case or part of some more general rule?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion "Het meisje heeft zijn diploma gehaald." klinkt zo idioot. :D
 
Xeo
11:02 PM
"Maedchen" is neuter because it's a diminutiv (of "Magd", I believe?) and diminutives are always neuter
 
@rightføld Its the word "meisje" that is neuter, not the thing it refers to, obviously
 
user1804599
@Xeo same in Dutch.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. IOW if in said retarded government the carrier doesn't like it they can simply block iMessage.
 
I tried to learn German grammar once
ONCE
 
user1804599
Similarly they can just don't make Apple devices work with their network.
 
user1804599
11:04 PM
@TonyTheLion It was forced upon me in high school. :<
 
Yea I did some in school
 
@rightføld any carrier should block iMessage
 
user1804599
dat case
 
to allow a company like Apple to store and re-route general SMS is... wrong?
 
user1804599
@AlexM. not allowed in Netherlands
 
11:04 PM
Dative/Akkusativ/Genetiv/<??>
 
it's like allowing Microsoft to redirect every call through Skype
 
Can't even remember all the cases
 
and when you switch from Windows Phone... whoops, you can't call anyone anymore
 
Too long since I used my German
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion The uppercase first letters!
 
user1804599
11:05 PM
The easiest case to remember and apply. :)
 
not to mention that they'd have access to your calls
 
@rightføld lol
 
user1804599
@AlexM. can't block internet traffic based on criteria.
 
user1804599
You have to treat all internet traffic equally no matter what.
 
what?
 
Ell
11:06 PM
net neutrality
 
user1804599
it's called net neutrality look it up
 
what does this have to do with calls
like, normal calls
 
user1804599
iMessage is internet traffic.
 
calling someone on the phone
 
user1804599
Skype is internet traffic.
 
user1804599
11:06 PM
Can't block that.
 
user1804599
If you mean the client-side behaviour, well, people can install whatever software they want including what they wrote themselves.
 
erm
it's not about the software people installed
it's about the carrier doing shit like that
 
user1804599
@AlexM. You agree to ToS when you buy the device or install the software.
 
if it was only the software, people switching to Android after using iMessage would have still been able to send SMS
nothing to do with internet here
 
today I was surprised a tel:23873277492 link was actually recognized on my mac
you know
 
Xeo
11:08 PM
Oh wow, Clannad KS is over 50%
 
for the whole new "computers are just like big big phone" thingy they are adding recently
 
@rightføld yes
 
user1804599
If you have a problem with the ToS you agreed to, it's you being stupid, not the service providers.
 
they put up a ToS
no point in this discussion
ToS = can't be discussed about
 
user1804599
What do you want to make illegal?
 
11:09 PM
I'm not trying to make anything illegal
 
calm down you two
 
I'm discussing the absurdity of the situation which seemed like it could be illegal to me
 
user1804599
ok why are you wondering why something is legal :p
 
I don't know, do you see nothing weird in the situation?
 
user1804599
Nope.
 
11:10 PM
why don't you guys play nomic?
 
@rightføld alright, I do
 
user1804599
You use application X, you agree with X' ToS, you agree with the way messages are routed by X.
 
@AlexM. ow
 
user1804599
vOv
 
@rightføld as I said, that kills any sort of discussion about this matter
anything can be killed like that
 
user1804599
11:11 PM
It ends the discussion because it's correct. :P
 
it's correct but also rigid and short sighted
 
user1804599
Why?
 
Ell
@AlexM. people are short sighted :3
 
you would really be perfect for nomic discussions
you just need to join nomic first
 
@rightføld because without a discussion you fail to realize what side effects and ramifications the matter would have
 
user1804599
11:12 PM
If you don't like the way the software works you shouldn't use the software.
 
join now and i'll send you a sandwich
 
user1804599
So we can fork again?
 
I don't even know how to play nomic
 
"your post isnt nearly as stupid as it could be" thats positive, no? — Plutonix Oct 20 at 15:34
 
and it looks complicated
 
11:13 PM
^^ brilliant
 
user1804599
You can even turn it off and have text messages always send over SMS and never over iMessage. vOv
 
@AlexM. oh come on, where's the guy that challenges everything?
complicated is fun
 
only if you have patience lol
 
user1804599
Who cares about the author? Fuck the author. It's merely one guy, as opposed to the many guys reading the crap.
 
user1804599
oneboxing is bad
 
11:14 PM
well, you literally just need 10 minutes every 4 days or so
things are sooooo slooooow on nomic
 
user1804599
Ten minutes of what?
 
@rightføld yes
 
user1804599
I don't want to play slow games.
 
it also stopped many people from sending SMS for a very long time
 
@rightføld of your fap time
 
11:15 PM
which is a side effect you wouldn't consider, of course
because there's a ToS
 
user1804599
I don't see why SMS being used would be some thing that must be.
 
@AlexM. wat
 
user1804599
If people don't wanna use SMS because of one of its shortcomings (such as it costs fucking much money) then SMS will die because of that.
 
user1804599
not a problem vOv
 
user1804599
Pretty similar to natural selection.
 
11:16 PM
@Jefffrey people switched from iPhones to Android but their carrier was still redirecting SMS through iMessage
Apple had to provide their own fix to the issue, and it took them a while to do it
 
i have no idea what you are talking about
iMessage and SMS share basically nothing wrt to how they are delivered
so I don't know what you mean by "redirecting SMS through iMessage"
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey if you send message to a phone number using iMessage then Apple will look up the phone number in their database to see if the recipient has iMessage.
 
so?
 
@Jefffrey see the link I posted above (also here androidauthority.com/de-register-imessage-tool-565648)
 
user1804599
If someone switches from iPhone to Android and don't disable iMessage, Apple will still think that someone has an iPhone.
 
user1804599
11:18 PM
So the messages will still be sent to the Apple account rather than over SMS.
 
> When an iMessage user sends a message to the number, the message is routed through iMessage instead of SMS, effectively remaining stuck on a service that the recipient can’t access any more.
 
actually AFAIK you send message via imessage with your apple account (apple email)
the number is not even required
e.g. you can send messages without a sim
 
user1804599
You send to a number.
 
user1804599
iMessage checks if that number belongs to an iMessage user and if it does, it will omit SMS because SMS is expensive and iMessage is not.
 
i see
 
11:19 PM
the message tries to hit an ex-iPhone owner through iMessage and fails
that's about it
 
user1804599
But if you switch to Android and don't disable iMessage then message sent to your number by another iMessage user will still be delivered to your iMessage inbox rather than over SMS.
 
Ell
hmm. Can I inherit from an undefined template class?
 
hmm
@rightføld I thought iMessages weren't sent if the client on the other side could not receive the message
 
Ell
> error: implicit instantiation of undefined template 'J::RefOps<jvmtypes::ExampleClass>'
apparently not
 
like if I send an imessage to B, but B doesn't have internet, then B receives an SMS
 
user1804599
11:23 PM
It's if (recepient is phone number) { if (hasiMessage(recepient)) sendiMessage(); else sendSMS(); } else { /* whatever; doesn't matter here */ }.
 
weird
 
user1804599
Some hypothetical Android plugin that uses WhatsApp instead of SMS when possible would cause the same problems if the recipient decides not to use WhatsApp anymore but doesn't delete his account.
 
user1804599
Assuming WhatsApp is still retarded enough to use phone numbers.
 
user1804599
It's a horrible idea.
 
user1804599
Peoples' phone numbers are very volatile compared to email addresses or usernames.
 
11:27 PM
I kept my phone number when I switched carriers, yay
maybe we'll have this unique ID given at birth in a future society
and we'll be contactable via that ID
calls, mails, everything gets sent to that ID
 
user1804599
@AlexM. you already do.
 
user1804599
It's called id in the people table in NSA's database.
 
user1804599
It's just not public.
 
I was talking about a replacement for email addresses, phone numbers and so on
 
user1804599
About fifteen billion records though.
 
user1804599
11:30 PM
Just realised: nice thing about shemales is that you can say "fuck her right in the … oh."
 
user1804599
Don't ask me what is going on in my head.
 
user1804599
Nor in my hat; I have no hat.
 
we could also have this unique device that would serve all entertainment and computing necessities since everything would be cloud based
and if you wanted to contact someone you needed their ID or to make it easier, use something like NFC with the other guy's device
and instantly exchange contact data
since everyone would have a single <thing> it makes it easy for others to spy stuff
but fuck that, it sounds good otherwise
 
That sounds terrible.
 
@Ell Of course not.
 
Ell
11:39 PM
@Puppy That I'd define later of coruse
but yeah
Hmm I wonder how I'll solve this problem
 
by fucking a nugget
 
TIL about unity chan
apparently this was really made by Unity Japan (the engine guys)
and is copyrighted
I want to see Unreal Engine chan
 
Ell
@Puppy I don't think that would help
Template<class T> class too{};
class bar : too<int> {}
Template<class T>
Void test(too<T> b){};
Can I pass a bar to test?
Surely I can
 
11:58 PM
surely your mother is a triple-cunted hooker
 
Ell
I think my problem is solved then
Possibly
Hmm.
 
not sure what triple-cunted hookers have to do with templates and classes in C++.
 
Ell
I'll investigate tomorrow
 

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