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13:02
@CatPlusPlus you're kidding me?
the replies really have to store the tree like hierarchy, but displaying it should be a different issue, and yes, toggleable.
there's no reason to not have some 'presentation layer' that can take the data and present it any which way the user wants.
Multi-replies shouldn't really be a problem, just store multiple parents
Threaded display would probably have to duplicate them, but threaded display is meh anyway
> coddinghorror liked this
@CatPlusPlus oh, replying to multiple things at once
Also ewww scrolling header.
not sure I like that... but obviously, I shouldn't Jeff that decision on everyone
and yes, that is now a word :P
13:06
@thecoshman It's common practice on forums
fair enough
I guess one reply can address multiple posts.
Multiposting kinda solves that but it's frowned upon for some dumb reason, but that's another issue
@CatPlusPlus well, it's a dumb solution
Maybe has to do with dumb UIs
It's either this or that
I don't really see any other solution
I guess if you are in a tree view of responses, it could be odd to see the same response in multiple places...
but the person should make one response, and it should be displayed under all that it responds to (if using a tree view) or just tacked onto the end (if using... flat view?)
13:10
Make a graph view instead of tree view.
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@thecoshman careful iconing or colouring could hint at the dup
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i've seen this in data presentations
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works nicely
@aclarke it's a presentation layer thing. Just show the first one they see as normal, and shade the rest.
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@thecoshman yup. I have issues with the weaknesses of web interfaces; they've got some catching up to do still to match the level of some nice trad. interfaces. Of course, there were plenty of shit interfaces in the pre-web days too - hooo boy!
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13:13
the web is close to reaching a kind of critical mass where the obnoxiousness finally goes away. If tablet-style doesn't cripple it all over again.
Explicit protocolisation also facilitates non-web clients nicely
Yes it's a word
I made it
I'm a word wizard
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@CatPlusPlus it's a mighty fine sounding word too. Quick, off to urban dictionary. Maybe they'll allow it.
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They refused a recent submission I made, but admittedly it was very blue; didn't think that mattered over there
@CatPlusPlus Meh, wordisation makes you a word apprentice at best.
> wordisation
lol
13:20
I hate automated things that aren't exactly completely automated
"yeah this script sets some things up except for one line which you must alter manually because of reasons unknown to humanity"
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@AlexM. like automatic cars you have to steer and press pedals?
Sometimes it's necessary
Sometimes people are terrible
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Did you know that Apple have been developing a car, but they haven't figured out how to make it work with one pedal yet.
in this case it isn't, it's just an overlooked thing
@aclarke Did they put dashboard outside of the car?
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13:22
@CatPlusPlus yes, a big flat ring you have to wipe with your palm
Vagrant installers still can't upgrade bah
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every two years, the petrol filler cap will be shaped completely differently
Still waiting on @thecoshman's vote?
No, Bartek
@aclarke And by 2020, with version 7, they'll finally use fuel injection, like the rest of the industry has done since 1992, and they will be hailed as innovative and pioneers.
Just wait for version 8, when they'll bring you slightly larger wheels, the ability to choose the colour, and ABS.
13:25
Your keys will be securely stored in the cloud
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Aww, no raise for now.
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nice. There will be no bonnet/hood release because end-users are incapable of skillfully replacing the battery or fluids
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@CatPlusPlus And you'll unlock the car via NFC from your iPhone?
@R.MartinhoFernandes no initially you'll be able to choose from a range of colors, then they'll restrict it to blue, and white. Then just white, then just silver.
iPhones have NFC?
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13:27
@Xeo damn - that's a great idea. Patent it now
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they do now. Or was the joke that they still don't?
Can't remember
Apparently it does, but you can't use it
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great success
> Apple confirms iPhone 6 NFC chip is only for Apple Pay at launch
13:29
Application platform of the future
Mobile is shit was shit and forever will be shit
@Mgetz You still don't get ABS until version 8.
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@CatPlusPlus what exactly is the consequence? you must use an apple web service, ie no paypal/mybank/yourbank?
@R.MartinhoFernandes And you gotta pay extra
@aclarke No anything.
NFC is not a payment system.
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Apple pay is .......
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13:30
their take on paypal? I don't apple....
@aclarke That developers can't use the hardware chip for their stuff
Yes, and apparently that's the only thing you can use it with.
Nothing else.
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@CatPlusPlus that's par for the course
Non-Apple payment methods were already banned forever since they added in-app purchases
Well at least for IAP, there seems to be a PayPal app so
Who knows
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13:32
@CatPlusPlus and who cares...
Who cares. I'll never understand why people get behind this shit
fuck apple
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might go a nexus soon - any opinions? I want a mil-spec phone, physically speaking.
What's mil-spec?
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military. Ruggedized. I always manage to hurt phones
My boss's Nexus got hipster screen style after a week. That's all I know.
13:34
@SamDeHaan depends...
pending results of groveling
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A steam-punk body on the phone would be nice. Wish i could do fine metalwork
You can probably get a cover for it instead.
Hehe... Windows 8.1 KB driver is borken:)
http://superuser.com/questions/744564/any-solution-appeared-to-fix-win-8-1-drivers-disaster-keyboard-stopped-to-work
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@MartinJames Windows 8 is borken.
@MartinJames Whát dú yóú meeeeeeeen*
13:37
lol
moaning.
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@MartinJames Dunno, have no problem with it
..or 'afnoon
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Hm, TIL: Alt+Left/Right works for navigation in explorer.
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13:38
midnight. fading rapidly, watching stupid tv, sipping port and stroking kitty.
TIL of Quick Access Menu for Windows 8 (Win Key + X)
seems cool
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It's awesome
Got even better in 8.1
@CatPlusPlus Reminds me of the Site du Zéro using Twitter as a bug tracker.
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Win+X is basically the power user menu
@aclarke amazon.com/dp/B00GA7H636. Though you could get something like that for pretty much any other phone.
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(You can also change the command prompt option to open powershell instead)
@EtiennedeMartel lol
I run PS from Total Commander
@start e:\apps\ConEmu\ConEmu64.exe /cmd {PowerShell} owns
@aclarke You should avoid stroking Australians - they can be poisonous.
I don't know how to start using powershell
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@R.MartinhoFernandes looks tough. Havent' seen anything worth getting to protect my fragile old Galaxy W
13:41
Just start?
it looks verbose but then I see Cat's starred thing and it looks okay
Get Community Extensions
And that's p much it
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@MartinJames it's the ones you can't see that are the worst
@CatPlusPlus Well, I don't know where to.
Start using it instead of whatever you're using right now
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13:42
@Rapptz powershell has some great ideas in it. Never quite got into it though
Basic command syntax is the same as in cmd.exe
I use msys bash and I'm happy with it
Most notably chaining commands with & and && doesn't work for whatever reason but eh
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streaming objects down teh pipez - great idea
@CatPlusPlus huh.. how?
13:43
All of those shell "languages" are terrible anyway
Bit different quoting rules
@Rapptz PS syntax doesn't support it
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@BartekBanachewicz heathen
how do I do cmd1 && cmd2 then?
@aclarke fuck them.
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@Rapptz on windows? not supported properly in the kernel whatever.
13:44
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Q: Can I get && to work in Powershell?

Orion Edwards&& is notoriously hard to search for on google, but the best I've found is this article which says to use -and. Unfortunately it doesn't give any more information, and I can't find out what I'm supposed to do with -and (again, a notoriously hard thing to search for) The context I'm trying to us...

@aclarke ..? I do it all the time in cmd.exe
I don't really miss it but it's one thing that stands out
@CatPlusPlus lol wtf
it's so bad lol
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@Rapptz it stumbles along, emulating it, but it's not quite up to the full power of unix. The concept of process ownage doesn't quite fit for a start. Things. Different. Stay native I say.
I.. see.
13:45
cmd is shit
@aclarke literally wot m8
PS is not ideal but it's still light years ahead
I don't like to think of PowerShell as "CMD with the stupid parts removed". I like to think of it as "Bash without any of the useful bits". — Pod Jun 16 '09 at 8:49
FULL POWER OF UNIX
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welll, the concept of processes doesn't quite match. Redirections, i/o etc is hard to clone on windows.
13:46
STAY NATIVE
OBEY
STAY NAIVE
REPRODUCE
cmd.exe supports all the *nix redirections/pipes/etc that I know of
The useful bit is that you're working with CLR objects instead of text
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crudely. it's a bit of a mess.
13:47
It doesn't emulate Unix.
Fuck bash
That's bullshit.
chat looks funny with funky sunglasses on
I don't see why it would emulate it
PS pipes are quite superior to *nix pipes.
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13:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes definitely - that's doing it the native way.
What?
The fuck does native mean?
2 mins ago, by Rapptz
@aclarke literally wot m8
I don't see what definition of "native" would fit PS.
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using win32 instead of what ming is trynig to do. Look it's late, i'm tired, stream of (un)conscousness etc
13:49
what does that have to do with anything
MinGW is an implementation of libc
Well CRT
PS pipes are superior because they have a completely different design. Whether they use Win32 or not is irrelevant.
And stuff
it stands for MinGW Is Not An Emulator
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13:49
geeez. let me sleep on it and blog it clearly.
(They don't: they use the CLR)
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not.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
Besides we already talked about that "POSIX emulation" nonsense
PS pipes stream objects. Unix pipes stream bytes.
13:50
Still nonsense
so this thing about traversing my data
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@R.MartinhoFernandes umm, i am down with that?
I have no idea how to create this "mapper" to be honest
There are a few aliases that map to commands similar to some commands in a Linux shell, but that's it.
objects are made of bytes
handles to objects are made of bytes
the entire Matrix is made of bytes cmon
13:51
your mom is made of bytes
It would require to find all instances of objects in the nested hierarchy
instance Traversible ?
ls and get-childitem are not all the same.
ls is aliased to get-childitem only because it is the closest to Unix ls that exists in PS.
@BartekBanachewicz less chatting, more voting.
Good luck doing, say, ls -l.
@BartekBanachewicz That's why I mentioned SYB
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's default :v
Try not doing it though
13:53
@CatPlusPlus Do I really need to read all that?
PS has uniform display for objects
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@R.MartinhoFernandes so what? the thing is, and I was agreeing with it, and even IMHO liking it, that PS uses/integrates with .NET and Win and it's nice, rather than the Cygwin emulations and the horrible shitty mess that cmd does
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but pass it -l and you get a nasty error message.
@BartekBanachewicz You can write it yourself vOV
13:53
It also happens to be aliased to dir, btw.
PS is cool
The only reason && does not work in PS is because they didn't implement the syntax.
Fuck cmd
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know if it's supposed to be a joke but those are my gripes with Destiny.
There's no functionality missing anywhere, because cmd1 && cmd2 is equivalent to cmd1; if($?) { cmd2; }
13:54
@CatPlusPlus that's... uh
@Rapptz You mean everything are your gripes with Destiny?
not everything
just like the first few items
it gets a bit circlejerky as you keep going
Because many statements in there are contradicting each other.
yeah I noticed
Basically I think it's meant as a list of everything everyone has said about Destiny.
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13:55
@CatPlusPlus can do now, without having to use cygwin. Cmd was obsolete the moment it was spat out
It's a meta-review.
my gripe with the game is that it's a shitty MMO and it's repetitive and boring
is an AST sorted?
it looks pretty though
13:56
and I find the netcode pretty impressive
it's a tree, right
but it's such a meh game :<
MMOs are shitty by default
trees are sorted by definition?
13:56
awesome voice
@BartekBanachewicz In a way, yes.
I think the main issue with Destiny is that, for something as expensive and hyped, it's surprisingly shallow and lacking in ambition.
A tree defines several orderings.
It's like they put all the money on the tech and forgot to ship content with it.
Or maybe they'll ship it later as DLC.
@EtiennedeMartel you almost sound surprised
13:57
literally every mission is the same man
@Rapptz shoot stuff?
The simplest of which is the topological order.
i keep hearing about this Destiny
go here, shoot stuff, get ghost, come back, shoot more things
13:57
to traverse, though
it's soooooooo boring
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not as good as Halo.
@BartekBanachewicz But the answer to the question you wanted to ask is "no".
the AI doesn't get any better either
their levels get higher, sure, but they don't do jack shit
@R.MartinhoFernandes then I'm offcially stuck
13:58
it's like playing an MMO and grinding on the same mobs for the entire game
I need professional help
@Rapptz Isn't that what a MMO is?
Yes, you do
no
@EtiennedeMartel An MMO at least has different enemies
there's some life to it
Most MMOs are boring grindfests
13:58
I mean, the green monkeys in territory B have more health and hit harder than the red monkeys in territory A.
But they're functionaly the same.
nah
The mechanics are the same.
an MMO has monkeys, gorillas, and other animals.
WoW starts at maximum level anyway, after the grind
Destiny just has 3 different enemies reused throughout the entire game
13:59
is it worth an Xbox One and fucking about for more space on my desk?
There's no "after the grind" in WoW
@CatPlusPlus there's after grinding levels though
Raiding is grindiest of grinds
@Rapptz Destiny is like if WoW shipped with only Goldshire and the surrounding countryside.
@etienne nothing is!

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