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20:00
modern upstart: start pupper-master or service puppet-master start
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systemctl start puppet-master
> The NodeOS init daemon takes a different approach. The init daemon does nothing except basic job control.

Init starts an HTTP server on 127.0.0.1:1 that can be used to start and stop jobs.
Init hands control to another process that uses the API to boot the system as desired.
Init itself does not parse config files.
This is very nice.
man
since I have these new headphones
Ik heb die CD...
100 kinderliedjes (literally) crammed on there. All very tenenkrommend
But the kids like it still, it makes them know pretty much all children songs ever
20:04
in a lot of songs I'm internally screaming to the guy/gal that mastered the song: LAY OFF THE FUCKING L/R STEREO BALANCE
it's a fun effect if applied correctly, but not for every fucking thing
Props to google for keeping stereo separation thru compression/encoding
usually makes me go check my speaker setup to see if something's broken..
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Yeah that right/left stuff is annoying.
@nightcracker Also, this might be on purpose, because it's old enough to be from the era where they made "Karaoke" tapes, with the vocals on one channel, and the rest on the other
@sehe what is "it's"?
Oh aha
4 mins ago, by StackedCrooked
@sehe TIL
(Dunno if it's just me, but my tape deck had a balance regulation knob that could mute the vocals on such tracks)
oh
I didn't even see that
@BenjaminGruenbaum honk
was just talking in general
@nightcracker xD
20:07
but if we're talking about good dutch music (which is rare IMO): youtube.com/watch?v=Jw9i0bu7PyQ
@BenjaminGruenbaum Very well done
zo blond (btw, is that blokfluit in the beginning?)
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@CatPlusPlus What was that other full-text-rendering-stack solution you mentioned a long time ago side from Pango?
@StackedCrooked doet me denken aan youtube.com/watch?v=0OE1B7eep-4
user3010322
Cairo?
20:12
@StackedCrooked Sounds two flutes and a violin. Very freshly out of tune. Fuckers
Cairo is general 2D vector stuff
user3010322
Oh.
So dunno
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Eww.
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Cairo is worse than I am right now. <_>
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20:13
> The functions with text in their name form cairo's toy text API. The toy API takes UTF-8 encoded text and is limited in its functionality to rendering simple left-to-right text with no advanced features. That means for example that most complex scripts like Hebrew, Arabic, and Indic scripts are out of question. No kerning or correct positioning of diacritical marks either.
Am I the only one who thought Scots goal offside?
user3010322
Guess it's Pango.
@sehe I guess you have good hearing then.
I wouldn't notice that. But I don't have any music education.
Golden Hearing
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@MartinJames Yes, there's no offside on your own half.
20:14
kweenie, kan ook een dwarsfluit zijn
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@ThePhD Pango is the text rendering library, not Cairo.
3 mins ago, by sehe
@StackedCrooked Sounds two flutes and a violin. Very freshly out of tune. Fuckers
Just forgot to mention the bar piano
user784668
@MartinJames Wait, what goal are you talking about?
Mebbe I should pay more attentin instead of worrying abput body odour.
user3010322
@Fanael I know. I thought there was a second text-rendering solution...
20:16
@MartinJames Pay moar. Period
user3010322
But it looks like Pango is the stop-gap for everyone.
Pay Moar To Body Odoar
@ThePhD what happened to freetype?
His edit revisions are all epic:
> Quotes formatted as code are for donkeys and mud puppies
user784668
@melak47 It's a font rasterization library.
@BenjaminGruenbaum You know, you can hyperlink that while quoting
@Fanael oh
user3010322
@melak47 Freetype: does not handle multiple combining codepoints (I'm talking after normalization), layouting (where to place top-to-bottom or right-to-left text), and other such things.
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FreeType is really just pure rasterization, and even its kerning module is outdated.
user3010322
A premier solution that's as low level as possible uses FreeType + Harfbuzz and can get pretty close to what Pango can provide with minimal effort.
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Eliminating harfbuzz means you have to write your own layouting engine based on the OpenType rules (blech).
user784668
@ThePhD Pango (and Qt) actually uses HarfBuzz.
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@Fanael Yeah, I noticed, which is why I tried to grab Pango. But building on Windows isn't the friendliest....
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So I thought I should try just using freetype + Harfbuzz, because I can figure that out well enough.
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meh
user3010322
20:22
... Nopenopenopneopenopneope.
user784668
Use GDI/DirectWrite on Windows.
user3010322
I'm trying to make this less-hard when I port to Mac OSX and Linux.
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In theory Harfbuzz and Freetype are supposed to work everywhere.
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Fuck if I can figure out how to build Harfbuzz properly after pulling its repo, though.
user3010322
I think I need to do something with... autotools?
user784668
20:23
@ThePhD And look alien on Windows on OS X.
It's a game probably so nobody cares
Good eve @ all
Also fuck OSX
whew
just won a 2v2v2 where my ally died right at the start.
user784668
If it's a game, then it looks shit anyway, so go ahead and use Pango everywhere :P
20:25
@BenjaminGruenbaum You forgot to make it a citation
@ThePhD Good luck with that
Looking alien is only problem for windowed apps, if you are making a game, just be internally consistent and nobody cares whether your font looks native.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ok. Give me a few days
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@CatPlusPlus I'm definitely not going to do that. :c
20:26
uhm is there a windows sdk for cl.exe & co without installing like a petabyte for visual studio?
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@Xarn Yeah I know.
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1 min ago, by Fanael
If it's a game, then it looks shit anyway, so go ahead and use Pango everywhere :P
no.
user784668
@Serthy Not anymore, no.
20:26
Also nobody cares if your thing looks native because nothing fucking ever does
user3010322
@Serthy You have to at least install Visual Studio Express to get Visual C++.
@Xarn just use D2D/DWrite and it'll look native on windows :v
@Puppy I think there is? They threatened to remove it, but they bracktracked?
What's native in an environment where everyone draws their own shit anyway
Or was that just the targeting of desktop apps with vs2013
20:26
@ThePhD I think you can get it with the windows driver sdk or something, too?
And that's both Linux and Windows
Fuck OSX
Dunno, but Update 3 has been installing here for the last hour. Fuck this.
(For VS2013)
Why not update 4
user3010322
@melak47 Maybe.
user784668
@sehe Because installation takes fifty hours more than update 3
20:28
@Fanael & ThePhD thanks :p
user3010322
Fanananana
@sehe Is there such a thing?
no.
Thank god, was getting scared. :-) (Nah, not really)
it's a ctp atm iirc
user3010322
20:30
There's a Github Repo here that compiled Harfbuzz for VS and includes the solution, but it was last updated 11 months ago...
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PLus, they included auto-generated files with no explanation as to how to do it properly...
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._.
user784668
@ThePhD It's because they don't know either
haha you're using msvc
user3010322
20:31
Yeah, yeah rub it in...
I need to do boring things god I don't wanna
@sehe "Fixed issue: When you define an operator incorrectly, the compiler may crash. When you define a conversion operator for an undefined type, the compiler may crash."
I see they are still making quality software. :-D
@CatPlusPlus Hmm. From your incessant preoccupation with sysadmin-related tools and tasks, I thought this was your very hobby
@Xarn yawn
No my hobby is doing interesting new things
user784668
DAE VS SUCKS? lol
20:34
Oh. Subtle difference, it turns out
This boring nonsense I get paid for, but it's boring
That explains
user3010322
Getting paid for doing interesting things is a lot harder to make happen then getting paid for boring things unfortunately.
I have my own internal project I get to play with, but I have to finish other things first
And this week was awful and p much 100% downtime
Well two projects
All mine
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All gloriously yours?
20:39
"The red line is shows growth of the number of distinct values we can represent using a 16 bit integer" #lolzing https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UU5e__RG9K3cHrPotPABnrwg&v=MW884pluTw8#t=1105
@Xarn isn't that by design?
oooooold
@Griwes great another celebrity inspired programming language
Ugh I can never remember rsync syntax
20:41
@Mgetz the compiler should produce an error, not crash, no? :p
@melak47 crashing IS a valid way to end compilation... insofar as an error is printed prior to crash
if you're going to tear down the house... why bother being clean about it?
@Mgetz wanna bet which error that is? my bet's on INTERNAL COMPILER ERROR :p
@sehe lol
thanks was searching yesterday for the c++now talks
@melak47 oh you're right, I have no doubt about that.
Aug 25 at 20:37, by Griwes
Not sure if you guys have noticed, but some of the talks from C++Now 2014 are up.
Was pinned for a good number of days
Aug 29 at 12:26, by Bartek Banachewicz
uh I can't stop hearing the lyrics to She's Got Issues as "She talks about clojure and that validation bit"
^ lol I missed that /cc @BartekB
20:48
@melak47 INTERRACIAL COMPILER ERROR
Thank you, Griwes
. @gcouprie how'd you get access to the c++17 draft specs this early? You know you can't disclose embargoed info from the future, right :)
21:10
@sehe C groupie
@sehe lol :)
does somebody know how to pass the -std=c++14 flag in vs2013 to the llvm tc?
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Q: Concept of " Static " in Programming

Ammari've read many times the word "static" somewhere it is a Static Class. Static Function and Static Variable what is the actual concept of this word in programming?

@Serthy tc?
oh. toolchain I guess.
nope :D
@Serthy does that thing work now? last time I tried it, it didn't like MS' stdlib
well i had to /D_HAS_EXCEPTIONS=0 to get it to work
but i didnt do much with it yet
21:20
try including iostream :p
iostream is working for me
Teh Dolphin bar haz deh Kahlua. Gonna slide tomorrow after England game.
Gimme deh close..
Gonna call villa agent tomorrow re. incarcerated clothing.
@melak47 It's self-hosting. Clang-cl can compile about 80% of all real-world sources (e.g. Chrome, Firefox, Clang/LLVM themselves) as long as they don't use exceptions.
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IOW it's useless
it is for us, but not for all those projects that use exception-free code
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@JohannesSchaub-litb dude
21:48
Well, what else can vo wrong? 21 Euro bar bill and the zip on my back pocket jammed. I had to lean over the bar while Helen operated on my shorts. There are numerous pics/videos:(
Ell
Ell
Why can't they use exceptions?
@JohannesSchaub-litb yes, my lord
i just imagined johannes as a sith lord
Jedi vision
user784668
@Ell Because Clang-cl is currently broken
Ell
Ell
21:52
Broken or unfinished? o.O
user784668
Unfinished and therefore broken
@MartinJames I'd suggest getting a child to unjam your zipper for you. Guaranteed to get your even more pics/vids
Ell
Ell
@Fanael meh, I disagree
Also, there are no 21 Euro bills,
go home, you're drunk
Ell
Ell
I wouldn't say that fusion reactor in france is broken
just not done yet :P
user784668
21:55
@Ell Does it work?
Ell
Ell
@Fanael Not yet
@sehe that's not true
He's always drunk
user784668
@Ell Okay. So it's broken.
Ell
Ell
21:56
@sehe My food and drink bills frequently rise above 21 Euro bills, so I agree, never as low as that ;)
@Fanael haha
clang-cl != LLVM
@nightcracker I was wondering what to listen to
thanks
Ell
Ell
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much better
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22:02
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^ FTFY
... missed the point
@ThePhD Wrong
@Ell this is not a proper venn-diagram
of course it is
Ell
Ell
22:03
@nightcracker Venn-diagram? What? I was just drawing circles ;)
@Ell if you want to use "not broken" you must include a universe
@Fanael IIRC they haven't even started constructing the actual reactor, so it's no surprise that it doesn't do anything yet :p
because right now your diagram implies there are things that are both not working and not not working
Ell
Ell
@nightcracker what about rocks? Do they work? :P
Or don't they work
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@CatPlusPlus I think it's accurate. :D
Ell
Ell
22:04
or do they neither?
@ThePhD where's MSVC on that chart? :D
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@nightcracker My cats are not working and not not working. They're lazy as fuck, but it's by design.
lol
can someone here edit gifs?
22:05
why :p
user784668
My phone charger WTF
how much do you pay
gimp will do
replace the earth with "working software", and your mom with "LLVM"
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Charging for five hours, the battery is 87% full
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@Fanael Quality Hardware.jpeg
22:11
rip battery
@Fanael my phone takes <=3 hours for a full charge from 10%
and it's quite new
user784668
@AlexM. So does my, sometimes
I think Android L is going to tell you how much time it will take to get to a full charge while charging your phone
when I heard about it I was like "wait, don't phones do this already?"
they kinda don't
it seems like such a basic feature
@Fanael are you switching sockets between charges?
no idea if it was my imagination, but I could swear a full charge took 5 hours at a particular socket in my home
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Ye
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s
22:17
lol hypervisor doesn't respond to pings but wiki works
what
Web stuff works, but no ping or SSH or Salt response
I really need to set up monitoring and get rid of Ubuntu
user784668
Web stuff is webscale, ping, SSH and salt are not.
@AlexM. I definitely had a socket in my old house with issues.
rip uptime
Maybe it's a network problem
finally won a 1h 45min game of PA, and the server crashed :(
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that must be the kind of food that doesn't get you fat
user784668
22:31
The food I'm eating right now
@AlexM. Is that game about the power of imagination?
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delicious
You have to believe there's food.
user784668
The food was created 6000 years ago.
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. The fuck are you playing there
22:34
I'm playing the role of a guy who's obsessed with japan and is visiting it for a week or something
still at day 0
Xeo
Xeo
> 220.8 hrs on record
dat review
dafaq
look below, 2,999.7 hrs on record
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. Cool, could be me in 6 months
'cept I'll stay for a month
user3010322
Take me with yooou. ;~;
22:38
welp
some guy actually asked me for a helpout.
let's see what he wants
okay, finished the meal scene and still haven't seen any food despite my character saying he ate some
@EtiennedeMartel so yes either that or budget cuts
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. Have you ever played a VN before?
only three so far
only one of them contained food
Xeo
Xeo
then you should know that you can't make a background for every single different scene that might happen at a certain place :P
ah, crap
sounds like he really wants a freelancer.
user784668
22:40
@Xeo You can, but it'll cost you.
Xeo
Xeo
@Fanael Yes, aka you can't
@Xeo yeah but wouldn't food be just a layer on top of that table?
also that makes hate plus and analogue look like really cheap (from a budget POV) VNs
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@Xeo Cheapskate.
why does this guy even have "a program code" in a .txt file.
user784668
I'm going to make my own VN! With blackjack! And hookers!
22:42
oh well.
I need some positive feedback.
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@Puppy you suck
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hth
lol
@nightcracker Totally not oneboxed: downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/YourMomLLVM.gif
That took some stumbling. But between GIMP, transparancy, unoptimize and me it worked out in the end
Xeo
Xeo
you should know the rule about oneboxing gifs :/
22:45
What. There's a funny frame there now, it appears. Maybe it was a glitch
@Xeo I do
@sehe thanks to that frame, I read LLVM as "lulu vm"
you know lu luv'em!
@nightcracker fixed the funny frame now, too, I think
making games is pretty hard. Or maybe I suck at programming
@corvid why not both
you're right! I'm especially bad at C++ too!

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