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user1646075
12:01 AM
I don't know about in Bulgaria or Slovinia or where-ever that guy is, but on an Australian summer's day, a chilled red wine has miraculous refreshment qualities
 
user1646075
... and it does soften the features that beginners find troublesome with reds
 
user1646075
look, are we here to help someone further their alcoholic career, or not? He's looking for gate-way drinks, not the finer points of fine dining.
 
We are swapping some domain controllers for Windows 2012 R2 shiny gooodness tonight...hopefully you don't notice we did anything.
 
> I'd drag my cock a mile through broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie talkie
why do I even bother with youtube comments again?
 
user1646075
12:08 AM
some men just want to watch the world burn?
 
user1646075
i was disappointed that she was stopping the camera to change. VERY disappointed.
 
eh
 
@aclarke Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear. My point wasn't "this is wrong" or "don't do that", but "if you're going to try that, you probably want to do it with something a bit sweeter than the average red."
 
user1646075
no, works well with dry's too. In fact a big cab sav is transformed into something lighter. But then, as I've already hinted at, I'm from a heathen land.
 
@aclarke Well, I'll let him judge for himself. I've had Cab chilled (by accident once or twice). I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anybody, but tastes obviously differ.
 
user1646075
12:22 AM
or lack there-of... guilty as charged
 
how do you quote someone like this?
> C++ is the language of the desperate: sane people use it when nothing else will do. It is just too complex, tricky, and trap-ridden to be a first choice. The costs of using it willy-nilly are immense.
 
It's like the yosefk guy in disguise
 
I thought C++ was like. Among the most popular languages.
 
Good morning.
 
user1646075
1:03 AM
Food for thought; Courage Wolf uses C++
 
@Rapptz Many/most Java programmers (among others) tried and failed to be real programmers. Rather than admit to their shortcomings, they attack everything that reminds them that they have shortcomings at all. IOW, it's not that they're Yousef in disguise, just that they've reacted the same way to being in the same position he was.
 
that comment thread has so much language war shitposting
it even has one of the last remaining Ada users defending Ada.
 
@Rapptz Yup. In a way, I can't even blame him. In theory, Ada has some really good points. In reality, you simply can't find enough people who know how to use it at all well to justify using it to implement anything though. Certainly not even close to being an alternative to C++ for most real use.
 
@JerryCoffin While most uni programming graduates just don't care.
 
From what I've seen
 
1:14 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's with the avatar?
 
University students tend to do the language shitposting thing the hardest.
Might be a mechanism to try to fit in.
Or seem smarter than they are, I don't know.
 
Or trying to defend what little they have learned.
Well, just like what Jerry said.
> PerfTips in the Debugger. In CTP 3 you can see how long your code took to execute as you hit breakpoints and step through code with the debugger.
Why can't we have this in MSVC? :(
 
user1646075
It's a rush of blood to the ego when they learn something big. And since they now understand this little corner of CS without really knowing how big the field is, well of course they have to share the goodness of the truth and light with the ignorant.
 
can people give chickens flu?
 
@aclarke There is some of the reverse though--learning enough to realize how little they really know, but seeing that as a threat instead of a challenge, and reacting by denying its existence.
@chmod711telkitty There are certainly strains of flu that spread from birds to humans, so the reverse sounds plausible anyway.
 
user1646075
1:30 AM
I read an article about this a few years ago. I'm horribly confused about how it runs now, but the general ghist was that new variants of flu actually cook up in migrating bird populations, and there's a bit of a pathway through pig populations, and there was even something about how it cycles from humans back into that pathway and develops for the next round of epidemic.

I hope that's cleared it all up...
 
user1646075
geez - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus gets right up in that shizzle. Try to make sense of all the pathways mentioned.
 
user1646075
The article I remember reading was going into how the wildfowl spread it to swine population in farms, and from there into humans again if it's mutated enough to escape current immunity.
 
2:50 AM
@JerryCoffin One thing I noticed is that some programmers think that using the latest framework is the solution to all problems.
@GamesBrainiac Did you see the "ALS awareness"-campaign by Zuckerberg and Bill Gates? Funny coincidence is that I had just learned about the disease from Space Brothers.
^ I'm starting to think this one is impossible to solve.
Which is unlikely because according to the game statistics it has been solved by hundreds of people.
 
@StackedCrooked What level is that? I am on 31.
 
34
I can't even figure out any state that immediately precedes the solution state.
 
Well, do what programmers do best: Make a program to brute force the solution.
 
I should try that.
 
Oh- hi @Cubbi !
 
3:10 AM
@StackedCrooked -1. Not enough jQuery.
 
AFAIK jQuery is even just a library. I'm talking about bug ugly stuff like Eclipse Framework.
 
@StackedCrooked -1. Not enough Boost.
 
Boost can be overused as well.
But less likely.
 
@StackedCrooked Sure, but meme (and shit).
 
meme and shit, I understand :)
 
3:22 AM
@Mysticial Why is that deleted?
No fun allowed sort of thing?
 
It went into a close/reopen and delete/undelete war.
litb also put it on r/programming. Which was funny, but didn't really help the situation.
 
> Post Deleted by cHao, Puppy, James McNellis, Oli Charlesworth
figures Puppy is a No Fun Allowed kind of guy
but yeah seems like there are a lot of close/delete.
> A reason for closing or deleting this post would be that many would consider it sexist and childish. For an example of something similar see telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/9415234/…. – Richard Everett Jul 23 '12 at 17:20
lol
 
There were a lot more comments than that. All got nuked.
 
comments like that piss me off tbh
I'm going through Low Quality Queue
some people actually flag stuff from 2008
 
yeah
 
3:29 AM
I let those pass through
this has a bounty but it's on the queue
how does that work?
 
lol
 
I kinda wanna vtc to see what happens
So many 'Take a look at {url}' answers.
or the many different variations..
 
4:29 AM
 
@StackedCrooked I love reading the C++ snippets posted here. :P
Hm. I guess the state space does branch a little too fast to try all possible action sequences.
 
Yep, I'll first need to add some visualization so that I can see if it actually is working as expected.
And then try with a simpler problem
 
TTD is harder than adding visualization?
 
I like visual verification :)
At least for debugging initally.
I could use TDD in parallel and later remove the visualization.
First bug is that my code assumes that each square will have equal number of moves.
 
5:35 AM
finally solved 34
silly me
 
@StackedCrooked Now it gets really hard.
 
level 35 is the last one
 
@StackedCrooked Exactly. Last, and as hard as all the others put together.
 
Did you play it?
 
Oh wait. I don't know that. I quit at 10. What am I saying.
 
5:44 AM
I can't visualize many moves ahead. My brains have not much RAM.
@JerryCoffin well given that it's the last level it's probably a good guess
 
Hey guys
Oh wait.
You need a score of 5 or more.
I should retag things as C++14.
 
I think I have a bunch of answers.
 
feel free to retag them as for now. :v
@LucDanton Hope you don't mind, gonna edit your question for C++14.
 
@Rapptz I just re-tagged one. As soon as the system notices, I'll be able to vote. Right now, only 4 people can (even theoretically) cast votes.
 
5:59 AM
@Rapptz I’m doing it atm.
 
Oh okay.
 
eh.
 
:18358287 No dash
 
Yeah.
 
@Rapptz I just came in to ask that
I was about to ask a C++14 question
 
6:00 AM
Need a recalc to get the required rep for the tag then, no?
 
Yeah.
 
Changed my other C++1y tagged question
 
idk who else could vote
 
I wonder why I still couldn't vote.
Ah recalc, though /reputation doesn't seem to provide it anymore.
 
I have question votes for it :/
 
6:07 AM
yeah you have to wait for the system to pick it up
 
Bah, I don't even know what I'm asking anymore
 
lol
 
Something about reading data members at compile time in constexpr constructors
But now I can't come up with a legitimate reason that I need to.
Can't static_assert the result of a constexpr function when passing a data member
But can use that result in other constexpr functions
 
@Rapptz Feel free to remind me tomorrow/whenever, I might forget about it altogether.
 
might be a good idea to pin the message temporarily
 
6:14 AM
Dang it it's 2 in the morning again
 
though it makes me seem all demanding!
despite asking kindly
 
user3010322
You should phrase it "Would you kindly...?".
 
Wait, how does that even work? How can you use something as an argument to a constexpr function when it can't be used in a static_assert?
Oh right nvm
Everything gets messed up when constexpr things can modify other things.
It's messing with my head.
 
@chris You might have fallen prey to the 'constexpr means "compile-time" fallacy'.
 
6:21 AM
lol, someone serially upvotes himself and then goes to meta to ask about the repcap.
 
It’s really about constexpr functions specifically though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not that. I think I did fall prey to that how long ago, though.
 
@Mysticial I saw that.
 
@Mysticial can you upvote your own posts?
 
I'm currently debating if constexpr string should be string<N> or just string with a length member.
 
6:23 AM
It's just being able to modify data members when the object being created is constexpr, but not being able to use the data members (which are constant expressions when accessed from main) as constant expressions inside the constructor.
 
@Rapptz You can’t s.substring(1, 5) if using the former.
 
@StackedCrooked Sockpuppet obviously.
 
@LucDanton Yup.
 
That's the reason I've been switching over to string but then I lose the nice ability of making indices.
 
6:24 AM
Hence generalized constexpr, for loops and so on. Not much experience with that though.
 
A good sockpuppet would be a script that upvotes posts at random intervals. Only a small percentage of upvotes would be own posts (so you upvote mostly other users). Then you can run multiple instances of the script from different various ips.
 
Yeah. C++11 constexpr is pretty limiting but I guess it's sorta fun.
 
@Rapptz, How does the length member one work?
 
Well done SO. You awarded me +15 rep from my self-answer, again, because I edited the question.
 
@chris Just store the pointer and a length and do one line constexpr functions with pointer arithmetic.
 
6:26 AM
Oh, okay.
I was thinking of it having its own string.
 
If you look at his posts, you'll see the other user involved.
It's probably the tail end of the ban.
 
> -1261 Aug 14 reversal Serial upvoting reversed (learn more)
 
Oh I didn't notice how old the meta question was.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You might also like this:
While you're at it, please stop using code formatting (like this) to highlight words. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254990/…Qantas 94 Heavy Aug 14 at 4:27
 
6:29 AM
@Rapptz I think it was one week.
His last activity is from 14/08
 
Yeah. I thought the meta question was from today since it was on the front page.
Pretty deceptive.
 
Is the ‘this is a duplicate’ chain some sort of private joke?
 
@Rapptz Hahaha, no way. He got found out from this meta post?
 
Apparently.
 
@Rapptz he nearly outsmarted the system :P
 
6:31 AM
lol he definitely tried
I guess having > 10k rep and not knowing about rep cap was pretty suspicious.
 
I've never hit repcap. Dunno if I should be happy or sad..
 
Why? I don’t think I would have noticed or heard about it without the chat.
 
I don't know. I'm just guessing at the probable reason for them checking it out.
 
@Rapptz Actually.
 
I’ve reached it once apparently and I doubt that I would have checked the totals. I’m rubbish at mental arithmetic.
 
6:33 AM
The screenshot is suspicious on its own.
 
Yeah you're right.
They're all different questions.
 
When was the last time you collected over 200 rep with every upvote from a different post?
Seems like textbook sockpuppeting.
 
@LucDanton I actually found out about the rep cap while reading about badges.
Wouldn't have known about it otherwise.
 
hitting repcap is means losing rep. never hitting repcap means being an average chump.
However, I consciously avoid repcap :)
 
Lots of answers to ‘halp I didn’t read the docs’ kind of questions, judging from the titles. Which don’t net a lot of rep over time.
 
6:36 AM
heh
> but the reputation occurred only for 245 reputation
how am I supposed to read this?
ah
semantic satiation strikes again
 
The first is from the verb "to repute".
Read it as "but I was reputed only for 245 reputation".
Right?
 
._.
 
int a = 1; bool b = false; // data reordering possible
int_wrap a(1); bool_wrap b(false); // print debug message in constructor. data reordering possible?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes.
 
6:38 AM
There were a lot of 'reputation' in the post so it phased out of my mind and looked foreign to me. Couldn't read it properly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So the order print messages (constructor calls) is not necessarily congruent with the order of objects in memory?
 
The order of objects in memory is not observable.
And may be "not ordered".
 
That always annoys me when I debug.
 
(Because they may not even be in memory)
 
What if the constructor prints the this pointer?
 
6:41 AM
Aw. Robot only has a score of 3 in .
 
Yeah, I can't help.
 
I have 38. Somehow the questions weren’t as compelling as . (I still have ~140 outstanding there.)
 
@Rapptz Also, ugh, that one question I answered :S
Must have been bored.
 
Have to run a data query to get the total available answer rep on a given tag, right?
 
@LucDanton Yeah a lot of the questions weren't too interesting (there weren't as many as either, ~200 vs ~1.2k).
 
6:44 AM
Kinda makes sense for a ‘bugfix’ release, but I’m still disappointed somehow :(
 
There isn't much new stuff.
 
I need to design my furnaces.
 
TIL robot is still coal powered.
 
Clang already supports all of C++14.
well, they always have since 3.4
but still
and apparently all of C++1z.
 
Well, theirs are the brunt of the C++1z papers no? Modules + Google’s crazy executor scheme done right.
 
6:48 AM
Yeah just the tiny small things.
 
I’m not sure what else there is yet, barring the C++14 backlog.
 
static_assert without a message, typename for template templates, etc.
 
That being said, I said ‘theirs’ but I don’t know if its Clang contributors submitting a paper following their successful implementation, or paper submitters contributing a PoC.
 
last I read about modules they were 'complete and ready'
I still hope that's wrong sorta
it was in a trip report
lemme see if I could find it again
Jul 23 at 9:52, by Rapptz
Anyway here's the post: http://botondballo.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/trip-report-c-standards-committee-me‌​eting-in-rapperswil-june-2014/
I wish there was someone to champion papers
 
Ah, I did forget about the numerous Library TSs and the like.
 
6:56 AM
C++17's gonna be huge.
 
> Moving forward with a cairo-based API, to be published in the form of a TS
 
Oh whoa.
 
@LucDanton Stahp!
 
it's by a different author!
 
Are there major language features planned for C++17 apart from concepts?
 
6:57 AM
modules
@_@
 
This reminds me of a trainwreck of a thread… I thought that wasn’t well received. I may be mixing up things.
@Rapptz Heh, the document was opened mid-way. I suppose I still need to finish reading it.
 
@StackedCrooked Possibly more constexpr stuff (though not really "major" stuff).
 
> The design is minimalist; yet, it aims for a handful of fundamental goals
:(
I don't like the sound of that
 
Why not?
 
6:59 AM
So much for ‘bugfix’ release, we still have tiny changes slated for C++17. If auto foo { init }; and namespace outer::inner {… didn’t make it into C++14, what was the time used for? :(
 

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