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@CatPlusPlus Typical C unsafety.
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@nightcracker ^ now THAT'S a smooth teapot
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none of that flat shading garbage
it's terrible
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It is terrible because it's a massively low-resolution surface.
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22:03
Ceci n'est pas une teapot
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@ThePhD subdivide it a few times :P
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._.
what happened with hobby lobby?
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Either way. It still traces massively slow.
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Akismet is nice.
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22:11
Haven’t got a single spam comment after installing it.
@ThePhD Great success!
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@Borgleader Indeedily.
TIL Nintendo sponsors EVO.
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EVO?
22:16
smh
The Evolution Championship Series is an annual eSports event that focuses exclusively on fighting games. In fighting game communities it is commonly referred to as "EVO" or just "Evo", and is currently the premier video game tournament for fighting games. The tournament uses the double elimination format. As with Super Battle Opera, the Evolution tournaments are so well known that typically contestants will travel from all over the world to participate, most notably Japan. Evo was founded by Tom Cannon, also known for his work on Shoryuken.com, a fighting game website. The tournament st...
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Oh.
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Why wouldn't Nintendo?
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Smash is a top-tier fighting game.
Nintendo has never been one to like the competitive community of their games.
Outside of Pokemon, I suppose.
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@Borgleader Next step is better kd-tree. Then, better materials. Then, serialization to the GPU.
22:21
@ThePhD It's a smooth teapot made of about 10 triangles.
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19 mins ago, by ThePhD
It is terrible because it's a massively low-resolution surface.
tldr
hmm
I just realized that you can make some really funky stuff happen if you have overload sets as members..
Xeo
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man, dat Akame ga Kill episode. /cc @Mysticial
First Rule of Inheritance: don't do it. Second Rule of Inheritance (experts only): don't do it yet. — TemplateRex yesterday
22:34
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A: Mathematicians who made important contributions outside their own field?

Alex M.I'd mention Ion Barbu, one of the greatest Romanian mathematicians and also one of the greatest Romanian poets. To the trained reader, the structure and feeling of his poems betray his mathematical mindset, a mindset that served in the making of his own lyrical style, which is unique in Romanian ...

fuck yeah pushing Romanian stuff that nobody else ever pushes
dayum man
I think you got a nationalism problem
not really
it's just that aside from some very few names, our artists and scientists are mostly unknown
but that is not surprising considering that to most people Romania is a place inhabited by vampires and gypsies
lol
"I don't have a nationalism problem; let me explain it to you in terms of my nation and my national pride."
@Puppy s/nation/culture/
clearly unsung heroes deserve to be forgotten, else they wouldn't be unsung
22:43
no gold badge either
@Puppy nationalism doesn't have to be problematic
@AlexM. boos
oh yeah?
well let's see YOUR mathematicians
@AaronKyleKilleen It pretty much does.
@AlexM. Ugh, what a crap question.
22:45
nationalism is nothing more than a pathetic primitive tribal instinct with no basis in logic or reason, and serves only to prevent us from understanding the world as it truly is.
I'm watching SGA in German.
impressive
wait
@Puppy yet that primitive tribal way is so easy to tap into to fuel friendly competition (fyi, I have no intention of following this up as I'm going to bed)
what's math overflow?
22:48
@thecoshman It's also, surprisingly, part of what the world truly is!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unfortunately.
(trivial question:) Just want confirm that: it is Ok to use "size_t" for passing 2D array into function, e.g. void print(int matrix[][10], size_t rowSize);
no.
lern2stdvector
use std::array
or boost::multi_array
or something like Eigen.
22:53
terrible, terrible C-arrays
pretty much anything, ever, except that T[] shit.
I dont know what to say
let me help you
I should tattoo "use std::vector or std::array" on my arm or something
"It appears that I know nothing about programming in C++ and write terrible code. I will immediately rectify this problem by purchasing a book written by somebody who does not have this affliction and then studying it extensively."
22:55
like you know...
the huge list of c++ books you can find by searching "c++ books" on google
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OpenID Connect is too confusing!
Actually the example is from C++ Primer. I am just asking because the book eg used 'int rowSize' instead of 'size_t rowSize' for 2D array. (for 1D array it always used size_t. So I post here to double confirm)
I agree std::vector is way much better
I am still in the early chapters -- the old C-array stuff
rip the aforementioned chapters out
also, really, the Primer covers that in the early chapters?
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22:58
this is neat
I heard from some people here that I thought were good that it was a good book.
@puppy it is a tribal instinct, humans are animals, I think a solid Identity is a good thing that can add meaning to people's lives. There is no logical reason why it has to be an impediment to understanding anything.
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C++ primer is a good book
its on primer pg 218
guess that they were simply off their rocker.
@AaronKyleKilleen Sure there is. Nationalism creates a bias in favour of holding one position where no logical reason exists. Therefore, it promotes holding beliefs about the world that are untrue. Therefore, it is an impediment.
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22:59
c++ primer is a great book
Ok. So I assume size_t is still ok with 2D C-arrays.
well
there is a vaguely interesting discussion to be had about what type should be used as an index.
just not into a C array.
std::vector<int>::size_type vs std::size_t is not what I'd call "an interesting" discussion
but any of these are way better than using "int" as index, right
nationalism may be an unavoidable cognitive bias, but the correct thing to do is stamp on it wherever you can, not cheer about it.
23:01
@user3701346 it doesn't change much most of the time
@puppy what about anti nationalism bias?
@user3701346 Not really. The overwhelming probability is that in most code, nobody will ever care, even if they actually are different sizes. Not to mention that indexing as an operation is going the way of the dodo in favour of stuff like iterators and pointers.
@AaronKyleKilleen It's not a bias because there's a logical reason for disliking nationalism.
@puppy well there are logical reasons for liking nationalism
like what?
@Jefferey Ok. I will treat both "int" and "size_t" are OK for 2D array indexing.
23:03
the world wars it started?
@puppy identity
you don't need nationalism for identity
@puppy well it is a form of identity
that you don't need and introduces bias.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, OK, I take that back. It was probably just one of many contributing factors.
23:04
@puppy plus I think as a belief system it is more consistent with social science about human capital formation and so is less biased than anti nationalism
@puppy have you heard of robert putnam and his work on social capital and ethnic diversity
@Puppy Nah, it was quite primary in WWI.
I think nationalism helps fuel competition between nations which is a good thing
what are you even talking about, nationalism cannot be more consistent with anything.
@puppy basically ethnic diversity causes people to be less altruistic, less trusting and less willing to engage in voluntary association with strangers, in short, it destroys communities
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by definition, if a perspective is concordant with the available evidence, then it's not nationalistic, it's simply logical. It doesn't become nationalistic just because the thing a perspective is about is to do with nations.
23:06
@AaronKyleKilleen lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, it's my understanding that it was one of Hitler's primary rallies in Germany for re-armament and aggression (along with the economic destruction the Allies needlessly caused after WW1)
Hitler wasn't in WWI.
:v
yes, I know.
I'm clearly arguing that it was also a fairly substantial cause of WW2.
also, didn't he actually serve in WW1? Not in any significant role, if I recall, but he did serve.
The older I get the more I hate nationalism
yes he did serve in WW1
23:09
@Puppy By far, not as important in WWI.
fair enough.
my current perspective on WW1 is that most of the European powers were just looking for an excuse to fight each other for the glory of their respective nations.
and he definitely used WW1 as a pretext to gain trust from others, as far as I know
@puppy nationalism is just the belief in the preservation of nations, national identities and self determination of peoples if coming up with evidence that shows that there are benefits to nationalism does not make it no longer nationalism
also I just remembered about this
Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism. Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles and other rhetoric. In 2012, "...
@AlexM. No. That isn't the reason for his joining.
23:12
the reason?
I never said it was the reason either
Or "one of"
I feel like, on dbs, there MUST be a way to change the casing of input as it goes in without explicitly changing the case before inserting... so why can't I find that?
there must be a way to do X without explicitly doing X.
but to deny that the shame Hitler thought he had after Germany's been beaten did not contribute to his ideas is sort of...
well
indeed, I often feel that the universe should psychically know what I want without me telling it.
23:13
@puppy also the anti-nationalists in power today are also anti human quality, in that they seem to form their immigration policy independent of crime rates, education and social outcomes of various groups. Which is incredibly irrational
@AlexM. That only really functions when there is no relevant aspect of Nazism.
whereas nationalism certainly did play a part in Hitler's rise to power.
@AlexM. lol what
the more I read about WW2, the more I feel like Hitler defeated himself, in good part.
@Rapptz what do you mean "what"?
No one denied anything.
23:15
@puppy I just don't find the hitler argument compelling, you just like I don't find references to Stalin and the mass starvation of the kulaks an argument against wealth redistribution
Unless AKK did or something, I have him plonked.
then what did you mean by
3 mins ago, by Rapptz
@AlexM. No. That isn't the reason for his joining.
@Rapptz He's bascially trying to argue in favour of racial segregation.
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Lol
Simply put. He didn't join WWI as a way to gain trust of the Germans.
@Rapptz that I do believe
I wasn't talking about that though :)
6 mins ago, by Alex M.
and he definitely used WW1 as a pretext to gain trust from others, as far as I know
yes
WW1 and its outcome served as a pretext to gain trust from others after the events
No, it was not a pretext.
I believe that he means, he used the general military, political, and economic outcome afterwards.
23:17
it goes hand in hand with what Puppy says, that nationalism fueled nazi germany
It was an actual thing.
Germany surrendered in WW1
Yes, and the terms of the armistice were quite severe on them.
It was not a pretext. It was a reason.
much too severe
@puppy so is Robert Putnam's work on how ethnic diversity affects social capital wrong?
23:18
Robot gets what I mean
there were some on the Allied side, like Keynes if I recall, who argued heavily against such severe economic repercussions. But that might have been after WW2.
call it what you want, Germany's surrender and Hitler's trying to fix it was definitely one of the best ways Hitler managed to gain trust
I think "pretext" is appropriate, but I may not use the word in the same way as you
@Rapptz I think this is just a confusion about the meaning of the word "pretext".
Read the definition of what it means
he isn't arguing that Hitler explicitly engineered or altered any circumstance of WW1 for his future use.
only that he leveraged it later.
23:20
> Adolf Hitler deliberately chose Compiègne Forest as the site to sign the armistice due to its symbolic role as the site of the 1918 Armistice with Germany that signaled the end of World War I with Germany's surrender.
this is what I meant
yes, I read the definition
maybe "excuse" is not very appropriate, yeah
reason sounds more like it
That's after the war started.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, I wanted to give an example of how Germany's defeat in WW1 was one of Hitler's main reasons to turn Germany into a superpower
Compare with "OMG a Serbian shot Franz, DIIIIIIEEEEE". That is a pretext.
it's the first example that came to me
not really a reason, more of a tool.
I'm not sure that he wouldn't have done it if there was a militarily neutral outcome.
23:23
The War of Jenkins' Ear (known as Guerra del Asiento in Spain) was a conflict between Great Britain and Spain that lasted from 1739 to 1748, with major operations largely ended by 1742. Its unusual name, coined by Thomas Carlyle in 1858, refers to an ear severed from Robert Jenkins, captain of a British merchant ship. The severed ear was subsequently exhibited before the British Parliament. The tale of the ear's separation from Jenkins, following the boarding of his vessel by Spanish coast guards in 1731, provided the impetus to war against the Spanish Empire, ostensibly to encourage t...
but from what I understand, his economy was based on borrowed money, he exterminated millions of workers, he severely weaked his scientific corps, and he (and his allies) recklessly attacked bigger nations even when they had extant military enemies
man that was a loss :\
so many wasted lives, basically people who could have worked and contributed towards our future
sort of comparable to north korea today, where people are barred and kept from doing anything useful
Racist people are racist. More at 11.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is living in a homogeneous area racist? is trusting your neightbors 'a lot' racist?
23:28
I wonder what kind of events would lead to complete globalization if that will ever happen
Not relevant.
some country becoming so powerful that it just becomes the world's only power
some alien influence that forces a global alliance
I doubt it will be some sort of mutual peaceful agreement
like, "let's work together to be more productive"
UNLESS
we need to work our asses off to build spaceships so we survive in case of some catastrophe
meh that's just wishful thinking
Yes, and then we die in space.
23:33
I'm sure it will be something induced by the internet and some reason like, all nations unite because everyone loves lolcats
@AaronKyleKilleen Living in a homogenous area is not racist. Wanting to is.
@R.MartinhoFernandes nooo
I want Mass Effect IRL
there's the study
23:35
> Es gibt brilliant und dann gibt es mich.
McKay still funny in German.
@puppy well if you want to live in an area with good sense of community and social capital that is likely to be more racially homogeneous
@AaronKyleKilleen do you have like a repository of official papers and studies to pull out for each topic you discuss?
this is the Nth time you've taken one out
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was brilliant and that's me?
@alexm. no I can only show you the studies I can remember where they are or find in a relatively short time
@Puppy "There is brilliant and then there's me"
23:36
@AlexM. I remember this specific study because it is such a landmark work
Are you watching dubbed SGA or what
@CatPlusPlus Yes.
Practising German.
In areas of greater diversity, our respondents demonstrate:


Lower confidence in local government, local leaders and the local news media.17

Lower political efficacy – that is, confidence in their own influence.18

Lower frequency of registering to vote, but more interest and knowledge about politics and more participation in protest marches and social reform groups.19

Less expectation that others will cooperate to solve dilemmas of collective action (e.g., voluntary conservation to ease a water or energy shortage
Less likelihood of working on a community project.21

Lower likelihood of giving to charity or volunteering.22

Fewer close friends and confidants.23

Less happiness and lower perceived quality of life.24

More time spent watching television and more agreement that ‘television is my most important form of entertainment’.25
23:37
I'm doing other stuff, with SGA in the background.
not only do you trust people of other races less, you also trust members of your own race less
> Ethnic diversity is, on balance, an important social asset, as the history of my own country demonstrates.
guess it's a pity that the guy who wrote the paper clearly opens with the statement that racism is bad and he doesn't think that homogeneity is good.
@AaronKyleKilleen Like not the US, I suppose.
@puppy well his empirical work is sound, but he's thoroughly liberal so it's a bit like reading a pulmonologist who advocates smoking
yes, I guess it must be tough when the guy you suggest actually did the science comes up with the opposite conclusion.
23:43
@puppy it's not tough, the evidence is right there
@Puppy No, your first thought was correct: it was after WWI.
@puppy in fact if he wasn't liberal there's a fairly good chance the closed minded on the left would just reject his work, most likely without reading it, like what happened to Charles Murray
@AaronKyleKilleen Yes, it's right there in his opening statement that ethnic diversity is an important social asset.
@puppy that's an opinion, not a proposition
@puppy and I agree, it's like salt in the stew, good in small amounts
23:46
it's the opinion of the guy who actually did the science.
They didn't dub Zelenka with an accent.
at least, I assume he did.
@AaronKyleKilleen Evidence of what?
@puppy evidence that diversity destroys social capital
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a pity. I loved Zelenka's accent, although his general "I hate you" attitude was also funny.
23:47
@AaronKyleKilleen . xkcd.com/552
@puppy immigration is not an all or nothing deal, you can get the strongest, most talented immigrants and turn away the ones with poor outcomes
11 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
lol
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Open doors immigration woop
The "we don't serve your kind here" approach to immigration.
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23:49
No benefits for immigrants woop
No benefits for anyone woop
@Ell it has little to do with immigration. AKK is trying to argue that nationalism is a logical thing, despite the fact that it isn't by definition.
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Nothing involuntary for anyone woop
Ahh right
I agree that nationalism is irrational
But Isnt it evolutionary?
yes.
so is smallpox
want some?
@AaronKyleKilleen Generally rather the opposite happens: those who are successful tend to stay home. Immigrants are primarily a benefit when an existing system prevented even those with substantial ability from succeeding, and they're allowed to immigrate into a system where that ability is given more chance to succeed.
23:50
I'm waiting.
Go on.
shut up robot, just because you can't be infected by human diseases.
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Also we have no smallpox left, right?
the US and Russia still have stores of it.
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Trust them eh?
I dare you to get some.
Next up: robot arrested for inciting terrorism.
23:52
@Ell There's still some in various labs, but it's generally believed to be extinct in the wild.
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What Is it that people dislike about the chat mobile interface?
@JerryCoffin It only infects humans, IIRC, so there's no reservoir for it to remain in since we mass vaccinated ourselves.
There's no reply or reply following in mobile interface
It's p terrible
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I wonder when we'll get an external womb
@cat oh yeah.
I'm off to bed now
you guys keep slapping AKK for being a nationalistic racist twat
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23:54
Night puppy
@JerryCoffin well here we venture into the area of racial differences and behavioral genetics, I just don't see any evidence that wildly different environments placed exactly the same selective pressures on intelligence.
You wanna see selective pressure on intelligence?
@AaronKyleKilleen In evolutionary terms, we haven't had anywhere near enough time to evolve to our distinct environments. And modern transportation ensures that we never will.
There you go.
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I think I'll sleep too
23:56
@puppy says who?

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