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user3010322
7:03 PM
But gifs are nice. :c
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
Shall I write my video game in Clojure or in Scala?
 
user3010322
I thought you already started in Clojure?
 
user1804599
That was another video game to try out the way of keeping game state.
 
user1804599
But you can do the same kind of thing in Scala.
 
7:05 PM
@rightfold Haskell imo
 
Ell
scala
scala > clojure
But I've never tried clojure so :p
It's a lisp dialect right?
 
user1804599
s/:p/I have no idea what the fuck I am talking about./
 
user1804599
@Ell Yes.
 
@rightfold Why not finish something for once? Just a thought.
 
user1804599
I have done that several times already.
 
7:10 PM
So you got bored with it?
 
Ell
Make a zelda clone
 
really?
cause I still see you starting new projects all the time.
if you ever finished a project then it must be pretty trivial
 
user1804599
Something like this would be cool. gist.github.com/rightfold/bed47e38e584c303c443
 
Ell
@rightfold do you have a job?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
Ell
7:14 PM
cool
 
I've found something else people!!!
 
user1804599
Hmm, actually.
 
user1804599
map should work better.
 
user1804599
Then I can return a new stream and decouple state updating and rendering.
 
user1804599
But I’d need some way to have a reference to the previous state while mapping.
 
7:14 PM
kidding kidding, relax kids.
 
Ell
@rightfold I still struggle with this :S
How it can be done well
 
user1804599
How can what be done well?
 
Ell
decoupling rendering/physics/network/etc.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Network is just input and output just like keyboard/mouse and rendering.
 
user1804599
7:20 PM
Physics is just state updating.
 
user1804599
(main function is in core.clj FYI)
 
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@rightfold whatever language that is written in, I hate it
 
user1804599
Rendering is in gfx.clj.
 
7:24 PM
which is lower level, machine or assembly?
 
user1804599
Machine code.
 
user1804599
Some assembly languages offer some abstraction about operand sizes.
 
Butts
 
user1804599
That you’d otherwise have to deal with manually.
 
user1804599
E.g. add that works on words as well on single bytes.
 
user1804599
7:27 PM
Or different kinds of operands such as immediate operands vs registers are dealt with by the assembler.
 
@rightfold Labels and stuff too.
 
@TonyTheLion bewbs vOv
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Nice butts floating in the sky.
 
assembler macros can run the gamut of abstractions really
 
user1804599
Lots of rain sweating off them, though.
 
7:28 PM
@thecoshman vOv
 
Ell
I can't understand some of this clojure without googling :(
 
@TonyTheLion True. This room is much more about people's insecurities than their software's security.
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@Crow Verilog.
 
my dad programs system verilog, or something like that
 
hmm
 
@JerryCoffin hahahah :)
 
7:32 PM
if you have a trivial move constructor and a trivial destructor, you could always implement trivial copying as a trivial move + trivial destruct of the source, right?
 
my life is trivial, that count?
 
@crow oh yeah well my dad could beat up your dad
 
no
 
@Crow System Verilog is (sort of) higher level again.
@TonyTheLion You had a non-trivial constructor, and most people seem to think destruction is non-trivial as well.
 
lol
body(eggcell c, sperm s)
2
body constructor ^^ LOL
 
7:35 PM
Much as in code, whether move assignment is trivial depends heavily upon how much you own directly vs. owning references to objects "on the free store".
@AaronKyleKilleen I see your father's pocket protector and raise a slide rule.
 
user1804599
@Ell which part do you not understand?
 
Ell
the update-in
 
user1804599
update-in takes a collection, a path and a function.
 
user1804599
user=> (def state {:a 1, :b {:c 2}})
#'user/state
user=> (update-in state [:b :c] + 3)
{:a 1, :b {:c 5}}
 
user1804599
It traverses the path, applies the function and returns the new collection
 
Ell
7:40 PM
Ah okay
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion What if it’s a fap?
 
You can't fap a body into existence.
 
user1804599
Pretty sure you can.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
I should write some vector functions.
 
user1804599
7:46 PM
So I could do something like (<+> (:position player) [dx dy]).
 
user1804599
(defn <+> [[x y] [x' y']] [(+ x x') (+ y y')]) \o/
 
no idea about your code
can't really read it
 
@rightfold At some point, you need to put sperm and egg together to get reproduction. That much seems pretty clear.
 
user1804599
Not necessarily.
 
user1804599
You could craft an artificial fertilised egg.
 
7:52 PM
man my intel 4000 graphics chipset on my laptop only supports opengl 4.0 so I was getting crashes that went away when i ran it with my nvidia card, wtf intel
 
@rightfold How do you combine Lisp with Java?
 
user1804599
@VáclavZeman Clojure.
 
@rightfold Ah.
 
@VáclavZeman Where do you see Java in there?
 
@Jefffrey (:import [java.awt.event KeyEvent])
 
Ell
7:53 PM
Okay I am quite confused
 
user1804599
Good.
 
Ell
What is to stop someone running their own OpenID server and pretending to be some user with a particular email?
 
user1804599
OpenID isn’t based on email addresses.
 
 
user3010322
You like getting poked full of holes, don't you?
 
7:55 PM
@VáclavZeman "poorly" seems to be the general rule (but when Java's involved, what do you expect?)
 
@Puppy what the fuck
 
@JerryCoffin :)
 
@ThePhD I got four. I most assuredly don't like getting poked full of them.
 
Ell
@Puppy It's a sad face
Oh wait I'm thinking OAuth again >.<
 
I've also got one that's right on the side of my bellybutton which is pretty awkward
 
7:57 PM
@Puppy Gall bladder surgery?
 
@Puppy ew
 
you kidding? that's miles too low for gall bladder surgery
 
why is it yellow? why are there green ... things?
 
I don't actually know why it's yellow
the green stuff is gunk left behind by the sticky bits on the dressing.
 
7:59 PM
@Puppy Well, I was at one 4 week ago and I got 4 holes as well. One in/under belly button, one right beneath rib cage bone, and two at my right side.
@Puppy Also, you belly is fugly! :)
 
@Puppy maybe you should check with your doctor
 
@VáclavZeman Nah, I got one in belly button, one right above my fly (pictured), and one on each side at about belly-button height.
@Jefffrey Going to.
although frankly the giant red bruise that's not going down concerns me a little more
 
i has choco milkshake
but I don't have a yard :(
 
@Jefffrey I'm not sure what the yellow is from, but I've seen roughly the same where I had operations done, so I don't think it's particularly unusual.
 
Sweet Jesus, what a name for an instruction mnemonic: PCLMULLQLQDQTibor 2 mins ago
 
user1804599
8:12 PM
AESKEYGENASSIST is my favourite.
 
Those are actual words.
 
@rightfold not a mnemonic. Disqualified
 
also old but funny
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user1804599
Q: Should I get pregnant?
A: No.
 
Be hard for you to get pregnant
 
user1804599
8:17 PM
Luckily.
 
user1804599
Maybe not in the future.
 
. @worrydream I think Google Books is trolling us: http://books.google.nl/books?id=3geYp44hJVcC&lpg=PA267&ots=VZ-whVnvfA&dq=premade%20mathematics%20harmful%20%22turn%20the%20page%20at%20your%20own%20peril%22&pg=PA267#v=onepage&q=premade%20mathematics%20harmful%20%22turn%20the%20page%20at%20your%20own%20peril%22&f=false http://t.co/oInfZQnCCV
@rightfold It will still be hard
 
user1804599
Why?
 
user1804599
Maybe men are forced to have an artificial womb implanted, and pregnancy is but a button click away.
 
I'd love to have a kid as long as I'm only responsible for his education during and shortly before teenage
I'd also use my parents as backup, just like how I was half-raised by my grandparents
 
8:21 PM
@AlexM. lol
 
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@sehe Google web search is also trolling:
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes what, is it weird?
I like seeing kids develop into adults and examine their progress
I hate toddlers and anything like it
they're noisy
 
toddlers are peak of cuteness m8
 
jesus christ no
my neighbor here has a toddler
 
8:22 PM
Oh yeah. Teenagers are not noisy at all.
 
he's essentially a combination of meat, saliva, noise and more saliva
 
user1804599
And poop.
 
how old is the "toddler"?
 
I live with a toddler. Pulling rank here.
 
user1804599
Lots of poop.
 
8:23 PM
@Rapptz a year or so, maybe more
god when he starts crying X_X
I have no idea how his mother doesn't lose her mind
 
@AlexM. She's saving it for adolescence.
 
Well
I guess pre-schoolers are peak of cuteness.
I worked at a daycare/pre-school for 2 years and all the kids were pretty sane there.
there were some points where it was weird/sad.
Like when you knew the kid was autistic or had speech issues but other than that it wasn't too bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at least then you can tell the reason behind the crying
and the kids can talk and understand what you say properly
 
@AlexM. It'll soon be over
@AlexM. You don't understand adolescence very well, do you
 
8:28 PM
as a parent I obviously can't, I can only understand it as an ex-adolescent
 
sooo... how would database relations pertaining to a schedule work?
 
I don't think he does :v
 
even so
I'd still take that over a crying baby that leaves saliva all over the place and shits in its pants
 
@AlexM. Well, as a parent I'm firmly pre-adolescent. But I know enough to say that "you can understand the reason behing the crying" is untrue (ironically, it's probably the same answer as for a new-born: "Help, I'm alive!") ...
and "can talk/understand what you say properly" - opportunity does not imply actual behaviour
@AlexM. Right. At least, a baby is somewhat predictable and far more forgiving.
Your "nice and reasonable" adolescent can choose to leave his drugs paraphernalia in your garage, crash your house when your gone, report you for child abuse (for fun) or prefer a career in standup comedy, get pregnant from god-knows, ruin his school chances, get someone else killed, etc.
 
8:34 PM
I'd get behind a career in standup comedy
 
@sehe sounds like an out of control adolescent
 
I'm betting on not seeing any of this in my life, but... I'm sure the risk of any of the above (except including the standup comedy being a success) would be smaller with a baby
 
That's redundant
 
seeing that, I was pretty cool
 
8:35 PM
@AlexM. No adolescent isn't out of control.
 
all I did as an adolescent was programming all of the time
then sleeping
 
I also played games tho
 
So you would like to have a kid if it was you. And only during teenage years.
 
You're not statistically significant
 
8:36 PM
@AlexM. Right. Your parents had every reason to be worried sick
 
@sehe actually, they were really worried
 
xD
 
they'd ask me to go out and have fun with others my age
I'd go
then they'd tell me I'm not hanging around with whom they want
and I should stay home
repeat;
 
I can't believe they have an El Chavo cartoon now.
And it's awful.
 
8:38 PM
I should patent crisps that don't leave fat on your fingers.
 
Those existed here in America.
They were recalled because people kept saying they were having leaky anuses.
 
leaky... anuses?
 
user3010322
Anal leakage.
 
first time I hear of this
glad it never happened to me
 
Lay's WOW Chips were fat free potato chips produced by Frito-Lay containing olestra. They were first introduced in 1998, and were marketed using the Lay's, Ruffles, Doritos, and Tostitos brands. Although initially popular, charting sales of $400 million in their first year, subsequently dropped to $200 million by 2000. As olestra caused anal leakage in some customers, warnings were required to be included on the packaging, with the WOW bag bearing a warning that read, "This Product Contains Olestra. Olestra may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools. Olestra inhibits the absorption of...
 
8:40 PM
Is that a medical term
 
anal leakage?
Yes
 
though if you want PC you can call it fecal incontinence.
 
that's why they call them WOW chips
 
Oh I see they've been renamed to Lay's Light Chips.
 
8:45 PM
@FiveThirtyEight actual statistics disagree strongly on "both teams start with equal odds"
Someone didn't drink the science kool-aid
 
@rapptz they even have a severity index
Fecal incontinence (FI), also called faecal incontinence, bowel incontinence, anal incontinence, or accidental bowel leakage, is a lack of control over defecation, leading to involuntary loss of bowel contents—including flatus (gas), liquid stool elements and mucus, or solid feces. FI is a sign or a symptom, not a diagnosis. Incontinence can result from different causes and might occur with either constipation or diarrhea. Continence is maintained by several inter-related factors, and usually there is more than one deficiency of these mechanisms for incontinence to develop. The most commo...
 
> (If Neymar or Lionel Messi got to make every attempt, the success rate in shootouts would rise.)
He may know probabilities, but he forgot an important factor.
Neymar is injured.
 
bra vs ger is a coinflip imo
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... too true
@JohanLarsson surely starts with one
 
8:59 PM
wokay. I'd say let's forget about betting.
 
yeah, just wanted to confirm it was a flip
 
that's not confirmed now. It still depends on a lot of concrete things.
 
pretty confirmed imo, a bookie can't afford to be very wrong
 
well. It's only about chances. So, there's not a lot to be "right" about in the first place
 
ok, hope it will be a fun game
 
9:02 PM
> The Transportation Security Administration will not allow cellphones or other electronic devices on U.S.-bound planes at some overseas airports if the devices are not charged up, the agency said on Sunday. source
^ wtf
 
> Paßwort
 
@JohanLarsson it will be
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Spaßwort
 
"Paßwort" is so dumb.
 
9:06 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen I read that as "Fetal incontinence"
 
In my work these days I get to learn that "krypteringsnøkel" is encryption key, and Vietnamese actually sounds like is when I pronounce it from the text resources
 
and I was like, they can shit whilst in the womb?!
 
@Puppy technically, yes, it's known to happend mainly during child birth, AFAIR
 
@sehe They want to be able to turn it on and verify that it's really a cell phone.
Doesn't seem all that difficult to comprehend.
 
@JerryCoffin I understand that. It's also a crazy requirement. Nobody can prevent being out of juice. Unless the TSA puts quick-chargers at your disposal. But I'd think by then the solution is worse than the problem. Oh wait...
 
9:08 PM
> U.S. officials are concerned that a cellphone, tablet, laptop or other electronic device could be used as a bomb.
But not when it turns on
Then it's perfectly safe!
 
@JerryCoffin Also, what does it prove that it "appears to be a real cell phone"? That can still be any other device with a proper decoy
 
less space for bomb then
 
Next requirement is that it can't be running Symbian because obviously no real phone runs Symbian these days
 
@JohanLarsson More than enough for the control/trigger
 
Heaven forbid you have a custom OS on there
 
9:10 PM
Using Tor! That's a one-way ticket to Guantanamo.
 
YOU LINUX USING EXTREMIST
 
@sehe Probably, but the reality is that about the best they can probably hope to do is make somebody work at it.
 
@CatPlusPlus Like they will be able to ascertain this.
 
@sehe It doesn't say ANDROID when it turns on ITS A BOMB
TSA is a sad theatre
 
@CatPlusPlus No real cell phone ever did... :)
 
9:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus have one that makes an exploding sound when you turn it on
 
@CatPlusPlus That, for better or worse, is all too true.
 
GSMTEX
 
@sehe If you're out of juice, it's your problem, not theirs.
A friend of a friend used to be a salesman for a company that sold a medical prop for training people to use XRay machines (and such), so in the XRay it looked exactly like a person's head. He got a kick out of their reaction when he'd run the case through the machine, and they'd instantly conclude that had not just a murderer, but a total nutcase who was traveling with a head he'd cut off.
 
wonder what they say if one shows up with this?
 
@JohanLarsson Clearly a weapon of some sort!
 
9:17 PM
well all of this would not be so bad with sensible profiling policies
 
Courage Directors:)
 
user1804599
Latest Dilbert is hilarious.
 
@JerryCoffin Better than a brick
@JohanLarsson "Hi, are you from the past?"
And then they beat them and lock them up
 
if they reached for their guns you could say "you call that a gun?"
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Obviously we need to profile their profiling to determine its effectiveness and efficiency.
 
9:23 PM
@jerrycoffin that too
 
is it possible when your app receives a key press event to stop the event from propagating further (on Windows)?
 
@JohanLarsson And then you'd get shot, because everyone working there is a paranoid idiot
@AlexM. Define propagating further
 
I'm trying to explain why media player classic plays when I press the play key (extra media keys on the keyboard) but foobar2000 doesn't
and if I quit media player, foobar2000 plays
it makes me believe the event never gets to foobar
 
One application receives global hotkeys
Whoever registers them first wins
Or something to that effect
 
oh
 
user3010322
9:24 PM
^ What Cat said.
 
so media player sort of overrode foobar's subscription
got it
 
user3010322
There's a way to pass them through.
 
user3010322
But... most applications aren't that nice.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hardly. Most are just typical apathetic government employees, much more concerned with retirement than the boring crap they put up with as a job.
 
Heh
Fake it till you make it (and occasionally ruin some people's lives in the meantime)
 
9:27 PM
bleh... in the github interface is there a quick way to search for a string within any file?
 
Type the string into search maybe
idk
 
@jerrycoffin yeah retirement at age 50 with 80% of their highest salary granted by an administration campaigned for by public unions
 
Broad beans woo
People ask why keeping PHP or any other shit embedded in the web server is a bad idea sektioneins.de/en/blog/14-07-04-phpinfo-infoleak.html
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus 5.3 is an older version of PHP that's no longer receiving security upgrades, right?
 
Dunno
They still list it, so I think it's supported
 
user3010322
9:42 PM
Welp.
 
what am I supposed to do for pull request on github? I found an error and the fix was easy...
 
They have help pages
 
user1804599
Read contribution guidelines.
 
user1804599
If it doesn’t say they don’t except GitHub pull requests, then fork the project, fix the things and create a pull request.
 
oh my god haganai is so hilarious
I haven't laughed so hard since haiyore
 
9:46 PM
sweet, got denied in 2 minutes
 
user1804599
Are cubicles nice?
 
Hmm, a link only links somewhere if you click it, did you try clicking it with your mouse? (Hold your computer mouse firmly, move it with your hand muscles until the pointer on the screen is on top of the "continue" text in your internet web browser and then firmly tap your index finger on the left mouse button) — Benjamin Gruenbaum 2 mins ago
Too much?
@rightfold no, they are not
 
user1804599
What if you’re with two people in a cubicle?
 
That's nicer, but still annoying, I'd rather have an office (since that means the working environment is quiet) or an open space (since that would mean a less depressing and confined space and more interactions and talking to people when code compiles etc), ymmv though.
 
user1804599
I don’t like sitting in a room with many people.
 
user1804599
9:50 PM
But being able to talk with others who work on the same project is immensely useful.
 
Only when you choose to though, I like being in the room with 5-6 other people and put earphones on when I want silence
 
user1804599
There were cubicles in college but they were very small and uncomfortable. Didn’t like them.
 
tech companies are not like college :P
 

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