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12:00 PM
@sehe regrets?
 
@Puppy It's either too warm to wear those, or I'm once again inappropriately dressed for the weather.
 
Xeo
@Puppy You haven't witnessed Robot's talent for getting himself hurt.
 
> The late Latin word prōtūberāre meant "to swell," coming from the prefix pro, which means "forward," and the root word tūber, meaning "swelling." And "root word" is appropriate here, since a tuber is a thick, fleshy part of a root, like a potato. And that should help you remember how to spell the word protuberance. Don't you love it when a word's meaning and its spelling work together?
@TonyTheLion nope
 
i r slacking
 
12:01 PM
@sehe A tuber is not a part of a root.
 
@Puppy LOOK FOR JOB
 
Potatoes are not roots. Wake up, sheeple.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not today
 
@Puppy ERRY DAY
 
I'm officially recovering from being riddled with holes
and maybe tomorrow too.
 
12:01 PM
You're officially gonna rot if you don't find the job
 
@sehe So, yeah, it helps you remember how to spell the word if you remember how to be wrong about biology :P
 
look I managed to find one before you :P
 
I doubt that a couple days off to recover from surgery is going to seriously negatively impact my future
 
That's a reasonable doubt.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes xD
 
12:04 PM
I mean
I bent down to put my socks on, and it hurt.
 
Actually, TIL some tubers are part of the root, but I am still correct that potatoes are part of the stem.
 
I can't imagine puppy & Bartek working in the same team, I just can not
 
@Puppy you don't actually have to bend over and search the floor for jobs :p
 
nah but I do have to put my socks on again tomorrow to go pointlessly sign my name with WGP.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 200m in 30s is a really good time.
 
Xeo
12:05 PM
@Puppy My back problems greet you
 
they already know exactly where I've been and what I've been doing all week
so it's utterly pointless
and probably just gonna make things wors
 
@Puppy Don't take them off.
 
ewww
stinking socks of death
 
@Xeo I suspect that most motions involve both front and back
 
World record is 19.19 seconds. That's crazy.
 
12:07 PM
Morning.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nah, I'm quite lucky. If I was unlucky I'd be dead by now.
 
Hm I need a model for song lyrics, what's singular what's plural
 
for a while I thought I would be
 
Tomalak, are you really bored?
what's with all those images?
 
12:10 PM
Song lyrics, songs' lyrics?
 
          ^
 
It's "song lyrics".
 
@CatPlusPlus Song lyrics btw
 
That's for one song, is it the same for a bunch?
 
Xeo
12:15 PM
Wait a fucking second, unary minus on unsigned types yields unsigned types?
 
yep
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes.
 
Xeo
ugh
 
at least VS says so.
 
Weird, but w/e
 
user1804599
12:16 PM
Uh.
 
user1804599
If I want to find the nearest point from a set of points I can just do dx^2 + dy^2 right? No need for sqrt.
 
right
 
:D so much for learning to drive, looks like my funds are going towards tattoo
 
fail
 
hi america
2011; they're probably dead by now
 
12:22 PM
argv[0] should always be the absolute path of the executable, right?
 
user1804599
lol this NPC walks into lava
 
user1804599
What a moron.
 
I wish there is a way to tell my body - to keep warm in winter: "DON'T ASK ME ABOUT THE FOOD, JUST BURN THE FAT, JUST BURN IT & YOU WILL BE FINE!!"
 
@FredOverflow Congrats, but can't you make one in which you speak english? :c
 
Xeo
12:23 PM
@Puppy it can be whatever
really
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey I understood almost everything he said. vOv
 
hm, ok
 
user1804599
Just learn Dutch.
 
projector central calculator is down :/
 
Xeo
Dutch - the language that understands everyone, but nobody understands.
2
 
12:24 PM
@Puppy you smoking crack boy!
@Xeo aka, drunk
 
oh wait
the whole webpage is down
serves empty html files
FFS
it worked just a second ago
 
> If the value of argc is greater than zero, the string pointed to by argv[0] represents the program name; argv[0][0] shall be the null character if the program name is not available from the host environment. If the value of argc is greater than one, the strings pointed to by argv[1] through argv[argc-1] represent the program parameters.
 
user1804599
Let’s see if I can read DualShock 3 input from Clojure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz blank for me
@Puppy §5.1.2.2.1/2 of the C standard
 
12:27 PM
@Puppy It doesn't even have to be the name of the executable.
vim uses it to distinguish between the various possible invocations with a single executable.
 
@BartekBanachewicz blank here too
 
I.e. all of view, vim, gvim, etc invoke the same executable, but with different argv[0]s.
 
yeah, I remember that utter bullshit
but in this case, I just want to find myself
LLVM has a function for it that uses a bunch of OS-specific stuff so I'll just ask them to do it.
 
On Windows you can fetch the handle to process and read it from there afair
On Linux you can resolve /proc/self/exec link
Fuck OSX
 
OSX has a function for it too.
but LLVM has a wrapper on all of the above that I can call, so I'll just do that.
 
12:31 PM
Probably needs a bundle
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus proc_pidpath
 
std::string getMainExecutable(const char *argv0, void *MainAddr) {
#if defined(__APPLE__)
// On OS X the executable path is saved to the stack by dyld. Reading it
// from there is much faster than calling dladdr, especially for large
// binaries with symbols.
char exe_path[MAXPATHLEN];
uint32_t size = sizeof(exe_path);
if (_NSGetExecutablePath(exe_path, &size) == 0) {
char link_path[MAXPATHLEN];
if (realpath(exe_path, link_path))
return link_path;
}
 
user1804599
You can do it with NSBundle but you don’t need to.
 
Fuck OSX anyway
 
user1804599
Okay.
 
12:33 PM
grr
WTF is with LLVM's path stuff all being small vector of char?
I guess that when handling filesystem-related data, the overhead is clearly in a few dynamic allocations.
 
Wouldn't want to waste time reallocating paths when there's files to be read!
 
user1804599
Especially not when running LLVM on a microcontroller.
 
especially when half the functions randomly don't, in fact, take a small vector.
so you have to copy out to use them.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not sure I agree. There's no other way to emphasize quoted text and keep it inline with the rest of the text. I never thought it was a problem since inline-code doesn't receive any syntax-highlighting and looks very similar to any quoted text (except for being inline). I've opened up a discussion on meta, I'd love for you to check it out — yuvi 22 mins ago
oh boy
 
> I personally believe using code formatting is fine to put quotes inline
He's French.
You can't trust people that put spaces before commas, periods, exclamation marks, ..., with these things.
3
 
you're, "right"
 
FWIW I do use backticks to delimit quotes in comments, when I'm quoting the thing I'm commenting on, but that's the only exception I'd make. Either use a proper quote block or just use the quotation marks that the English language gave you! — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 mins ago
I hate when you do that, and I don't get it at all.
 
1:09 PM
huh?
oh when I do the backtick commenting
yeah I'm of two minds about it. some visual distinction is very useful in those contexts, I think. but I may stop using backticks for it.
 
user1804599
game.core> (update-enemy {:bullets [], :enemies [{:position [2 2], :ticks-since-shot 1001}], :players [{:position [5 5]}]} 0)
;; => {:bullets [{:position [2 2], :direction 0.7853981633974483}], :enemies [{:position [2 2], :ticks-since-shot 0}], :players [{:position [5 5]}]}
 
user1804599
Fuck yeah.
 
user1804599
Use “ and ” for quoting.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's horrible because kerning.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i agree
I guess those kind of comments are the rare scenario where I find the emphasis to be more important than how it looks, and bold is ugh
I've always felt bad doing it though
 
1:17 PM
@StackedCrooked: Update thingy's down
 
I like "because" the adverb because succintness.
 
@Puppy ok, try "again"
 
OK
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think "because" is an adverb
 
it is because succinct.
 
1:30 PM
@Jefffrey I have never spoken publicly in English. It is certainly an appealing idea...
 
@FredOverflow s/appealing/appalling/ #ftfy
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes At work?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. How embarrassing.
I meant "preposition".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well it's not a preposition either, so...
 
TIL there are USB3 video adapters that compress the image
 
1:34 PM
("because of" is)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it is not. It's a prepositional phrase :P
 
user1804599
TIL there are USB3 video adapters that compress the image
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Because" the preposition is a thing, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a conjunction.
 
Not in sentences like 'I like "because" the adverb because succintness.'.
That sentence makes me uneasy.
 
1:39 PM
ergh... type name that is singular, but you have multiples of them ie FooProxys
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cos you [deliberately] butchered it, most likely ;p
 
user1804599
@thecoshman std::string should have been called std::strings because you can have multiple instances of it. ?_?
 
@rightfold nah I mean collections std::vector<FooProxy> Fooproxys;
 
user1804599
That’s not the type name.
 
user1804599
That’s the name of the variable.
 
user1804599
1:42 PM
I would call it fooProxies.
 
user1804599
Consistent camelcasing and ies instead of ys.
 
¬_¬ I'm just going to stop complaining about things where I can't really explain them properly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like how it has "like" twice with different meanings, and one of them is quasiquoted and then there's "because" both quasiquoted inside the quasiquote and not quasiquoted inside the quasiquote and I like sentences with the same words all over and I should probably learn Russian, then, and this sentence is too long and now self-referential and I'm doing it again.
 
Xeo
Robot's broken again, someone fix him
 
1:44 PM
I'm not falling for your obvious starbait.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ಠ_ಠ
@LightnessRacesinOrbit aye
:P
 
oh god
Adobe isn't very good with high-DPI settings
 
lol
 
are you a blind man?
 
SSMS is even better
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no? it's for high-DPI screens
 
user2985029
1:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz is that on a surface?
 
@Alex that's Yoga Pro 2 actually
Apps that behave well are VS2013 and Office at least
well I guess that's a whole new challenge for app developers
 
user1804599
Shouldn’t be a problem unless APIs are crap.
 
user1804599
And they probably are!
 
WPF isn't that bad
but you still have to know how to use it
 
user1804599
DPI is low-level crap that UI library should handle.
 
1:56 PM
hah
 
Apple made it way easier for developers anyway, both on iPhone and Mac
 
turns out that I totally broke lambda captures
and VS has been warning me about it for about 20 builds.
but I've been ignoring the warning because VS spams so many shitty warnings.
 
apparently a lot of people simply state that 3200x1800 is unusable
 
:( I don't like many-to-many relation ships
 
because the apps simply break
well, I'm happy I went with FHD after all
 
1:57 PM
this was an easy problem until they showed up
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz lol 3200x1800
 
> What a Twist! - Robot Chicken's M. Night Shyamalan
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is true.
@BartekBanachewicz Everyone sucks at it.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Apps that behave well are VS2013 and Office at least
 
user1804599
inb4 people use Chrome maximised on 3200x1800.
 
1:59 PM
> WPF works quite fine out of the box, frameworks like QT and gtk+ don't work at all.
 
Yeah, there are rare exceptions.
 
@rightfold why not?
 
user1804599
Because then you have like
 
the screen is great, the software is shit :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, that's a good summary. WPF was built to make it transparent from the ground up.
 
user1804599
1:59 PM
giant white bars on the side with a tiny website in the middle.
 
@rightfold it's supposed to be scaled y'know
 
user1804599
And text on full-width pages like Wikipedia and SE chat becomes totally unreadable.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I see. Images are going to be beautiful then.
 
a lot of pages supply retina-dpi images already vOv
they are indeed beautiful, if supported.
also there's a notion moving icons to vector graphics
SVGs render amazingly on high-dpi
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought I'd enable higher DPI settings to use my screens from farther away, but then was horrified and quickly gave up the idea.
 
2:02 PM
yeah, it's suck.
 
user1804599
GitHub uses vector graphics for everything except the Gist logo.
 
I'd like a 3840x2400 for my desktop but scaling :F
 
user1804599
F:
 
balls.
 
user1804599
Let’s see if I can get this stuff to render.
 
2:03 PM
also did microsoft abandon WPF already?
 
more test failures on Linux, succeeds on Windows.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No?
 
some people on the internet claim that
 
user1804599
I don’t know what WPF is.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, they abandoned it and replaced it with WinRT, which is not that different (when it comes to the UI development bits), really.
 
2:05 PM
> The situation is even worse if you use any of the many programs that have fixed, tiny font sizes (I'm looking at you Ableton and ZBrush and Native Instruments). Totally unreadable, and nobody at the companies seems to give a damn.
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are in the process of doing so, but it won't be ready until windows 9
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see
welp, Hearthstone is gonna look good on the high res at least :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As near as I can tell, WinRT is mostly just a straight copy/paste of WPF, all bad parts included, then with some ref cycle shit included and a bunch more terrible patterns like IApplicationFactory.
 
lol
3kg / 4.72cm !
 
2:10 PM
hehe
this one is pretty new also, it has DVD (wut)
 
Lasts 5 minutes, but still a battery
Which reminds me, I should buy an UPS
 
I didn't think you could play DVDs with 128MB RAM
@CatPlusPlus tell me if you buy one, I'd like one too but CBA to research
The only thing I know is that an UPS should have USB to show status and stuff
 
> It's- It's all random, it just comes out- I mean, it's random, I've got no idea what I'm singing about at all, sorry. It's just like- It's just kind of like, write a few chords and that, and then just... improvise a few words, and just hope it means something. It does mean something! Trust me. But I can't work it out myself. 'Cause I'm subjective, you see. So I can't actually quite work it out, that's for you lot to work out. (laughs)
 
I looked at them one time, and it's p much just "how much power and capacity you need"
 
Further down: "The band were apparently on hallucinogenic mushrooms when they recorded it."
 
2:11 PM
Unless you really need ~~extra features~~
@BartekBanachewicz Sure you can
 
so how much do I need
 
Depends on what you're plugging in
 
my workstation has 650W supply I think
 
As much power as your power supply, I'd guess, and enough capacity for however much time you need.
 
> The current user must have the WORSPACE permission for the job.
 
2:13 PM
The only gotcha is that UPSes measure power in voltoamperes
 
which is painfully unhelpful because 99% of use is at 230V
 
@CatPlusPlus That's complex power.
@BartekBanachewicz lolwat
 
Internet says 'apparent', but yeah
 
Oh, yeah, that's the magnitude of complex power.
 
2:16 PM
Seems it's 1:1 with watts? Dunno
Or not
 
@CatPlusPlus Only in an ideal system.
 
865 Watts /1500 VA
 
The factor depends on the machine.
 
Argh I shouldn't be looking at this right now
Old ISP is still trying to call me
They even sent an SMS today that they can't reach me :lol:
I already sent your goddamn modem back and I'm not picking up your calls, is that not clear enough message that I don't fucking care
 
user1804599
Why do I get a null pointer exception.
 
2:28 PM
because one of your pointers is null.
 
user1804599
Oh, swap! takes a function.
 
Do you see anything on this page iwdrm.tumblr.com besides the title and a few buttons on top?
 
no
 
user1804599
Wooo it works.
 
2:33 PM
nope, and source confirms it's just the title and the buttons
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see why would want the titlebar taking up that much screen real estate whatever your DPI is
 
now all I need is LLVM 3.5 to get rid of that annoying processor spew
 
user3010322
I don't get it.
 
user3010322
Why don't people transfer things locally with Ethernet?
 
user3010322
Literally cables made to transfer fat packs of data and there's no local ethernet to ethernet ports
 
user3010322
2:39 PM
I just did a 50 GB transfer and it was literally a walk in the park with a SATA III disc and that shit was like a party.
 
transfer from where to where?
 
user3010322
Just between PCs.
 
user3010322
I used the ethernet ports and a router.
 
they do use Ethernet for that
that's what it's made for.
 
user3010322
What I mean is why isn't it on things like External Harddrives and the like.
 
2:42 PM
some of them are.
 
user3010322
Why did anyone bother with USB 2.0 if they could just ethernet?
 
USB 2.0 can do a lot more, like powering smaller devices.
transferring data is all Ethernet can do.
 
user3010322
I guess so.
 
and Ethernet ports are substantially bigger and more prone to damage than USB ports.
 
user3010322
But that doesn't seem fair when my external HDDs have power supplies.
 
2:50 PM
maybe the manufacturers felt that transfer speed was not as important as people actually having the relevant cables ready, having many accessible ports, and such.
also, I'm not sure that USB isn't competitive with Ethernet on transfer speeds anymore
 
user1804599
 
280MBit/s of USB 2.0 is higher than the 100MBit/s I can get through Ethernet.
 
@rightfold The black square is moving and the red ones are orbs?
 
Power over Ethernet or PoE describes any of several standardized or ad-hoc systems which pass electrical power along with data on Ethernet cabling. This allows a single cable to provide both data connection and electrical power to devices such as wireless access points or IP cameras. Unlike standards such as Universal Serial Bus which also power devices over the data cables, PoE allows long cable lengths. Power may be carried on the same conductors as the data, or it may be carried on dedicated conductors in the same cable. There are several common techniques for transmitting power ove...
 
user1804599
2:58 PM
@Jefffrey large red ones are enemies, red small ones are bullets and black one is player.
 
user1804599
The player doesn’t move yet, though.
 
@SamDeHaan FireWire died to USB long ago
 

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