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According to Matt Bellamy this song is about women youtube.com/watch?v=Qr_qDnDPyA4
 
it starts with "oh baby", so isn't it obvious? :v
 
I gave my pet chickens an ash bath this evening, they were pissed off ...
 
what are some practical use cases for variadic templates?
 
Xeo
11:14 AM
lol
 
one screamed murder (in chicken language)
 
?
 
I wouldn't bother if they did not constantly scratch themselves
 
Xeo
How about "everything generic with a variadic amount of parameters"?
 
@Xeo How about a concrete example? :-)
 
user1804599
11:15 AM
std::tuple
 
user1804599
std::make_unique
 
Xeo
@Chimera Indices, tuples, variant, apply, make_shared/make_unique
and a shitton more
 
apply? Remember, I don't have a lot of C++ experience...
 
Xeo
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Q: C++15 proposal: limit the surprise factor of auto

DBJDBJConsider this: // Visual Studio 2013 struct S1 { int id; char name[64]; }; S1 sar2[64] { 0, "DBJ" }; auto sar3 = sar2; I am surprised by the type and value of sar3. (VS2013 C++_ compiler has decided NOT to expand the 'auto' declaration and initialization into: S1 sar3 = sar2[0]; ...

lol'd
 
user1804599
fail
 
11:24 AM
@Xeo what do yo mean by apply?
 
lolllll
You're on the C++ committee yet you're writing silly proposals on Stack Overflow? — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
 
@Chimera Crashing MSVC.
Oh wait, practical.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :-)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit as Bjarne has pointed out, the requirement to be on the committee is just a cash thing... not a competence or knowledge thing
 
@Mgetz Still, you'd think that if he really were on the committee he'd at least know that C++15 does not exist.
 
11:36 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol thats really cool, i hope he does family guy some day
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think that he really didn't mean that he is on the committee :)
 
user3010322
... That just put a sour taste in my mouth
 
user3010322
for co-op and for doing things with other people in general.
 
@BartoszKP I agree.
“What should I say if I am not drunk but I feel that my head is heavy?” — One thing, and one thing only. “Another beer please, good sir.” — Paul D. Waite yesterday
 
@BartoszKP I agree, the english wasn't great...
 
11:40 AM
I'm wondering where the two random upvotes came from
 
@Mgetz from people who want the badge for voting on questions :v
 
user1804599
> Basic dowadiddydo
 
user1804599
LOL
 
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A: Why use X and not X<T> for templated constructor and destructor?

Lightness Races in OrbitThe quote is, quite simply, wrong. X<T> is the actual name of the type: [C++11: 14.2/6]: A simple-template-id that names a class template specialization is a class-name (Clause 9). …and you can use it everywhere: template<typename T> class X { public: X<T>() {} ~X<T>() {} X<T>&...

#bitchplz
 
11:54 AM
[C++11: 14.2/666]: Prefer X<T> over X because it is prettier.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'cause we're lazy and don't want to type unnecessary crap just doesn't sound as good as an answer
 
afternoon
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit vOv I'm in a 'everything you say confirms you are a twat' sort of mood, so, you know :P
 
@thecoshman So, normal SOP for this room? :-)
 
so a GPU in a screen
 
12:01 PM
@thecoshman He can be a nice person, if he wants to be.
Just like I'm a nice guy, on occasion :)
 
@thecoshman :D
 
@TonyTheLion like I said, you're a twat :P
 
:p
Bad day at work?
 
someone hook me up with that Opera meme "you're a twat, you're a twat, everyone's a twat!"
@TonyTheLion not paticularly :D
 
TWATS EVERYWHERE
 
12:02 PM
So which one of you is really Herb?
 
ahahaha, no one
 
@thecoshman s/Opera/Oprah/ :P
 
Herb has an SO account under his real name
he never comes into the Lounge, he's smarter than that :)
 
@TonyTheLion Oh really... interesting
 
12:02 PM
well he knows he'd get flamed to high heaven
 
@Borgleader shut it twat
 
well you only come into this Lounge if you're crazy enough to want to be nitpicked on to high heaven, every minute of your life.
 
@TonyTheLion because he's a twat
@Borgleader :D Thanks
 
12:04 PM
I'm wondering about analog video signals
 
@BartekBanachewicz you know why?
 
Does Meyer's use SO?
 
@thecoshman I am designing a home cinema setup
 
TIL You can do this. Look at the forward declaration vs the definition of A
 
@TonyTheLion because you're a twat :P
@BartekBanachewicz but for reals, got questions?
@TonyTheLion the class/struct thing?
 
12:05 PM
@thecoshman I'm mostly reading up about them. I'm now wondering if VGA could realistically produce an image of better quality than DVI/HDMI/DP
 
So the question naturally arises, why do we even have struct vs class, if you can just mix them? (I know about the default public vs private thing) Is that really the only reason to have the two?
 
technically it could have unlimited dynamic range of brightness, for example
 
@BartekBanachewicz not really.
 
@thecoshman yea
 
12:06 PM
2 mins ago, by Borgleader
user image
 
@TonyTheLion afaik, that is the ONLY difference, that and maybe semantics
 
@TonyTheLion the reason is that C already had struct, and class seemed more OOP'ey
 
@TonyTheLion To keep C compatibility?
 
@thecoshman Point being, high-quality audio setups are often analog
 
@BartekBanachewicz for audio yes
 
12:06 PM
@TonyTheLion in VC++ you'd get a warning
 
ah I see
 
@thecoshman so why not for video? The very same concerns apply.
 
makes sense.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Youre replying to me with my own post? o.o
 
Chrominance (chroma or C for short) is the signal used in video systems to convey the color information of the picture, separately from the accompanying luma signal (or Y for short). Chrominance is usually represented as two color-difference components: U = B′ − Y′ (blue − luma) and V = R′ − Y′ (red − luma). Each of these difference components may have scale factors and offsets applied to it, as specified by the applicable video standard. In composite video signals, the U and V signals modulate a color subcarrier signal, and...
 
12:07 PM
@Borgleader yes.
 
also wat that lol ^
that looks like a fucking 2D value squeezed into 1D
> the phase and amplitude of this modulated chrominance signal correspond approximately to the hue and saturation of the color.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I remember that from when I learned about chroma subsampling in uni.
 
people who designed that thing had to really be proud of themselves when it started working
 
@BartekBanachewicz bandwidth
 
I wonder if component video is really the way to go........
 
12:09 PM
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
technically it could have unlimited dynamic range of brightness, for example
@thecoshman hmm
well yeah I guess full-hd image would require absurd frequencies
 
VGA cables cannot handle the data compared to DVI/displayport etc.
 
okey, but if you're like sending only SVGA or XGA signal, technically analog could give better results then :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, but equally, such low resolutions you can send all the information equally well via digital cables
this is the same stupid argument that people hold against digital audio. at a high enough sample rate, there is no way a human can tell the difference. And yes, you can tell when shit is played on vinyl, but that is because vinyl is shit at reproducing the sound cleanly.
but some people like that shite noise
the sort of hipster like you @BartekBanachewicz actually :P
 
I don't like vinyl discs, but I like analog guitar amplifiers alright
 
@thecoshman They say the typical human can tell the difference between a transistor based audio amplifier and a tube amplifier. You can supposedly hear that the tube amplifier sounds "warmer".
 
12:14 PM
Point being, I can't afford digital equipment that has comparable dynamics yet
@Chimera it overdrives differently and has different harmonic characteristics
but yes, most of the people can hear the difference
 
yeah, most people would say they prefer tube amps over tran amps, but that is because they prefer, as you say, the 'warmer' sound. What is that 'warmer' sound? it's the tubes not being able to recreate the wave properly, it slightly distorts it, it just happens to distort it in a pleasing way.
 
altough for louder volumes, speakers are way more important than the amp anyway
@thecoshman transistors also distort FYI, just in a different way.
 
I personally think if quality audio is what you want you are better off putting money towards quality "neutral" speakers that don't "color" your audio.
 
@BartekBanachewicz especially when it comes to base
@BartekBanachewicz only when overdriven
 
@thecoshman that's why I have 2x12" amp
 
@BartekBanachewicz 15" or GTFO (I played base so, you know)
 
@thecoshman cheap tran amps have transistor preamps though, and they do overdrive.
However.
I play at most at 10-15% of volume
 
I have a pair of studio monitor speakers connected to my computer. They are in many ways better sounding than my large floor standing speakers connected to my home entertainment system.
 
So I still have a lot of headroom on my power tubes
 
@Chimera reasonably easily mitigated (along with amp distortion) via decent eq
 
12:18 PM
but I still think it's a world of difference
so it's certainly not only about the breakup.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh yeah, but cheap crap sounds cheap vOv
 
@Chimera depends on what "quality audio" means for you. Guitar setups are quality audio for me, yet very specialized and far from "neutral".
 
Tubes also have the most appealing glow to them :P
 
eh fuck glow, they rattle :/
 
@thecoshman Oh - you mean the energy waste?
 
12:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I mean in terms of quality of audio reproduction. Clarity and accurateness.
 
as someone wise said, a tube was never designed to be placed in a resonating box
 
@BartekBanachewicz this is a big issue. Some people want perfect recreation of the sound (like for cd or movies) others want that warming distortion, like for guitars
@BartekBanachewicz you monster!
 
@Chimera then of course. I sometimes do play guitar through an FRFR setup too, but that requires speaker modelling.
 
@MartinJames it's only wasted if you fail to appreciate it :P
@BartekBanachewicz FRFR?
 
Full-Range Flat-Response
descriptive enough
 
12:21 PM
@thecoshman Mebbe tranny amps should come with a free electric fire, to recreate the effect:)
 
I wanted to buy a powered FRFR speaker, but an offer for my amp popped up
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep... that's what we want in an audio system. :-)
 
As long as I don't have to move it, I'm happy
 
user3010322
Why did I wake up so early anyway.
 
user3010322
I was up at like 3:00 Am.
 
user3010322
12:22 PM
Why did I even.
 
@MartinJames maybe...
 
@thecoshman doesn't Ampeg have those funky 4x10" (and 8x10") cabs?
 
I have a pair of KRK ST6's. Small but amazing clarity.. and pretty flat response curve.
 
I only just got up. It seems to be 1323. How did that happen?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sure they do, but that's a second thought
 
12:23 PM
@Chimera they are passive, though? what do you use to amp them?
 
@ThePhD I did the same thing also. Don't know why.
 
user3010322
Well, too late to go to sleep now.
 
user3010322
I have work.
 
I don't like powered speakers. To awkward to carry, compared to a separate amp
 
@thecoshman Well it's not like I need a lot of bass when playing lead anyway :F but it's nice and motivating for exercises
 
12:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz An old Yamaha RX-V692
 
Oh, I have an old Yamaha amp too; they are p nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are nice aren't they?
 
Mhm! Especially considering I got mine for free
 
@thecoshman That's another thing. Roadies really love firebottle amps with their massive transformers full of iron and copper.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :-)
 
12:25 PM
@Chimera mine is older than yours, though, and stereo only
I want to use it for that home cinema setup
 
@BartekBanachewicz Might sound better...
 
I have a pair of smallish Panasonic speakers, but I'd need to rewire them
oh, while we're at it!
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh?
 
I was wondering how I could hook up a subwoofer to that setup
@thecoshman someone cruel cut their cables
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ooh - need to feed my woofer, b4 puppy moans:)
 
12:27 PM
I could build a small LF filter and just hook up the speaker on the B speaker slot
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some powered subwoofers have power level inputs.
 
@BartekBanachewicz pre amp, cross over to separate base amp and speakers
 
bah, that's effort
Maybe I'll just look for some reasonable bigger monitors too
 
woah
cost of that is cost of one of those
that's 12"
watching movies on such speakers would be fun I suppose
 
12:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Probably. I have a single 12" powered sub for my entertainment system. It's more than enough for a medium sized room, for me.
A quality center channel speaker is more important, to me, for watching movies.
 
I have a 5.1 system but I use it for my music and PC use
well now that I think about it
I might as well swap it and buy some music speakers for games and pc and music, and hook up that 5.1 system in the movie room
 
brb. Wife just woke up. She'll be wondering where I'm at.
@BartekBanachewicz Tis what I'd do.
 
huh, TIL that the pop up when you click someones name is slightly see through
 
Hey there
 
> note: the ABI of passing structure with complex float member has changed in GCC 4.4
WTF is going on today.
 
12:41 PM
Morning sunshines.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's quite a few versions ago; interop-ing with old code?
 
@Jefffrey I had no morning, and I have no sunshine.
 
@Mr.kbok oh hi
 
user3010322
Oh, cool.
 
user3010322
Windows 8.1 breaks my DirectX 11 code.
 
user3010322
12:46 PM
Gee.
 
> I am using turbo c++ (because I'm studying in India)
o_0
they must have some very funny laws over there
 
this looks nice too.
basically builtin what I'd need
@thecoshman god forbids you use a modern C++ compiler there
 
user3010322
std::system_error doesn't derive from std::exception?
 
@BartekBanachewicz looks hipster
@BartekBanachewicz s/er/ere/ oh :( but I saw it!
 
user3010322
Oh, that's great. No base class exception, no catch-all for the basic exception types by the stl. Sure, why not.
 
12:49 PM
@thecoshman People in my school still use Dev-C++
 
@ThePhD by the what
 
@ThePhD Yes it does?
 
user3010322
> All exceptions generated by the standard library inherit from std::exception
 
user3010322
y u no catch exception, VC++?
 
@ThePhD 'Cos you told it to ignore them?
 
12:51 PM
Check if VC doesn't throw a SEH exception instead
 
> and supports certain buzzword technologies such as SOAP.
oh Erlang docs :P
 
VC cannot catch SEH's?
 
user3010322
	catch ( const std::exception& ex ) {
	}
	catch ( ... ) {
        // This receives the exception, even though it's a std::system_error exception
	}
 
'I am using turbo c++ (because I'm studying in India)' - is is citizenship requirement now?
 

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