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2:03 PM
@IntermediateHacker python is ungood for gui stuff, but very nice as calculator or scripting lagnauge
 
sbi
2:35 PM
@Als: Can you now tell us who you think is downvoting you?
 
Als
@sbi: yes I can
I can tell you who I think it is
Online now since 29 mins ago and the downvoting started
 
He admitted it once, right?
 
sbi
@Als Wow, a 6k user, even.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: Yes he did, If the comments history is preserved I can tell the Q where the comment was made.
@sbi: Check his voting pattern: 503 upvotes, 818 downvotes
 
sbi
Checkout this comment of mine at his most recent activity.
 
Als
2:39 PM
really? can one outvote their downvoting to upvoting by that margin?
 
@Als You never saw Neil's voting stats, right?
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: I did, But he had a credibility
 
@RMartinhoFernandes 'puter troubles
 
why isn't the server at pygtk.org not responding?
can anyone open this link: pygtk.org
 
Als
@sbi: check the last deleted answer on this Q
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Q: Segfault with realloc

MattSo I was using malloc in my program and then realloc within a method inside the program. After I called this method so many times I would get a "Segmentation fault (core dumped)". Upon further inspection I realized that for some reason when my pointer goes from 0x25d7d60 or 0x223fae0 (or any ad...

this is the Q i talked about in there
 
sbi
2:52 PM
@Als I justed voted to undelete that, so that I could upvote your comment. (The fact that the answer could then again be downvoted is a consequence I hazard.)
@IntermediateHacker Because it isn't even there: "Firefox can't find the server at www.pygtk.org."
 
Als
@sbi: Okay what the hell lets, undelete it. He deserves it.
 
sbi
@Als :)
 
Als
1 vote to Undelete tsk tsk a lil help pls ---> @RMartinhoFernandes
 
sbi
How many votes does undeleting an answer take, 3 or 5?
 
Als
3
It showed me that it needs 1 more vote to undelete
 
2:59 PM
I don't understand, that answer is silly.
 
sbi
So it's one more.
6 mins ago, by sbi
@Als I justed voted to undelete that, so that I could upvote your comment. (The fact that the answer could then again be downvoted is a consequence I hazard.)
 
so we're undeleting his answer so we can mass downvote it
right?
 
sbi
@DeadMG No! I never said that!
I wanted to upvote this comment by @Als.
 
well, it seems kinda cruel to undelete someone's answer which is begging for a good downvoting
I mean, not that I'm against it being downvoted or something
 
Right. I'd rather stay out of this.
 
Als
3:01 PM
Its undeleted already
 
just saying that usually, I delete my answers and I expect them to stay that way
 
Als
so no debate on the needed anymore
 
yeah, I undeleted it
just wanted to know if I was also supposed to downvote it
 
sbi
Fine, now please upvote @Als's comment (one more up needed to be visible), and then I will even vote to delete the answer again. :)
 
Als
@DeadMG: No, I never usually downvote, I didn't downvote it even when i was been revenge downvoted by the user yesterday
I have 7 downvotes in a year, so you know..
 
3:03 PM
@sbi So that was the point all along?
 
fine
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: What else were u thinkgin?
 
Dunno. It just seemed silly to me.
I upvoted and voted to delete.
 
sbi
4 mins ago, by sbi
6 mins ago, by sbi
@Als I justed voted to undelete that, so that I could upvote your comment. (The fact that the answer could then again be downvoted is a consequence I hazard.)
What else did you think of me? :D
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: You are in a silly place with lot of silly people, what else were you expecting?
@sbi: I just noticed this same user raised a q before on meta about being a victim of anonymous planned downvoting.
Now I am wondering if this was a trick to know the system better, or an alibi or I dont know hunter became hunted?
 
3:13 PM
you mean, hunted became hunter
 
First coffee in months. Stomach not complaining. Yay.
 
Als
@DeadMG: Lol no His previous attempt of serial downvoting me was caught by the fraud detection script so he was already a hunter
 
sbi
@Als Ah, a much nicer hook to hang my comment from. :)
 
Als
@sbi: Haha
 
3:18 PM
OMG he really was a victim there.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Indeed. @Als, was that you? :)
 
Als
@sbi: haha I have casted 7 downvotes in a year of my existence here
 
sbi
@Als Well, that is the account of yours we know about. :)
 
Als
13 mins ago, by Als
Now I am wondering if this was a trick to know the system better, or an alibi or I dont know hunter became hunted?
:P
@sbi: I have enough problems with just one account already
 
sbi
@Als It can't have been a trick, since a mod looked into it and even said they took actions against the offender. Unless he got a sock-puppet account closed (which they probably would have caught when closely looking at the whole thing), this was for real. But, yeah, he did learn of the algorithm there.
 
3:22 PM
The trouble of keeping a sock-puppet for downvotes is that you need to continuosly collect rep to replenish it. Granted each +1 gives you 10 downvotes, but...
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, you could upvote your sock-puppets yourself. But then, as we have heard here, they seem to have algorithms to catch that, too.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: The algos have threshold values it seems
beyond those they failed to detect anything, as u see in my case
 
@sbi Oh right. Guess I'm not ready to think like a sock-puppet user.
And I know you'll be saying I'm just trying to make you think that.
 
Als
@sbi: Why doesn't the reply back to you, since you pinched you even twice?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Why do you even try this on us? We all know you're a robot. It's just a matter of different input for your algorithms.
@Als As a rule, I never pinch myself. I got over that long ago.
 
Als
3:27 PM
@sbi: I meant you pinched him twice with comments still no replies...
 
sbi
@Als Well, what should he answer?
 
Als
@sbi: Say he is not the one, if he is not, stay silent if he is the one?
Is this admission of guilt?
 
sbi
Uh! Why doesn't my xkcd link show up at all, let alone oneboxed?
 
That's really weird.
 
sbi
@Als Don't read too much into it. The mods see whether he is guilty.
 
3:30 PM
Maybe because this one is a gif.
 
Als
@sbi: I hope they do!
 
This one is very special: it's a gif, and it's Thursday.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, it is! Anyway, be sure to read the hint.
 
sbi
This, of course, loses the hint. :(
 
3:32 PM
Bug report on meta!
This shall not go unpunished!
 
sbi
@balpha XKCD doesn't onebox here: http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/1620226#1620226. Is this because it's a gif, rather than a jpeg?
 
Als
@sbi: :) I see
I wonder what the mods are doing about my problem since it is so well publicized after the thread started by you.
 
sbi
@Als I've been wondering about that, too. Who are the current mods on SO anyway? How many of them have shown up on that question?
 
Als
@sbi: Only Tim Post, showed up there
and yes Jeff
 
Just got really confused when I didn't realise page down was stuck :L
 
Community elected mods are here.
 
sbi
4:22 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Thanks, great!
@Als Why don't you simply ask Tim in a comment? IIRC he was really helpful when he was around here once.
@Fred, you'll be interested in this:
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes

Haskell

That functional language
 
evening all
 
sbi
:)
 
still talking about Haskell, I see
 
Als
@sbi: I am going to do that now
Someone up for community mod here @sbi???
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Actually not. This was the first time is was mentioned in hours.
 
4:25 PM
@Als Er, that requires time.
From what I know, I wouldn't vote for @sbi.
Nothing personal.
 
@sbi oh I see, just so happens, that when I enter the room, it is mentioned. Hmmm has happened to me before, just not with Haskell :)
 
sbi
@Als How would I know? The last time, of the regulars here, only @DeadMG applied. (Plus Martin, who I think has been seen here.)
 
I think Martin goes by @Tux-D these days.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes No, I'm the wrong guy for that. I'm good at polarizing, and bad at integrating. That's not just the wrong skill set for moderation, it's the opposite.
 
Als
@sbi: I see
 
sbi
4:29 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I knew, but he still goes under a different name on that page you linked to. So I thought what the heck, I'll just use the name I know best...
 
Als
pup for moderator, eh he would downvote graciously lol
 
what?
 
sbi
eh?
 
4:42 PM
Quoi?
 
Was?
 
sbi
You guys are silly.
 
Combo breaker.
 
We're the silly bunch :)
 
Als
Is Tim Post a community elected mod?
He has low rep :P
 
4:48 PM
26 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
http://stackoverflow.com/election/1
Yes, he is.
The vending machine we have here is buggy as hell. It displays "No change". I put in the exact 80 cents I need to pay for what I want. It gives me the item and 10 cents change.
 
When you compare 2 strings does case matter?
Like equality operator
 
By default it does.
Beware of case-insensitive comparisons and locales.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm always good for breaking things.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Should I convert both to lower/upper case then? :)
 
Als
@Als It's something that is being discussed by several of us. Short and censored version: There are a few things that could possibly be done to our tools to make it easier to spot this after it's reported. I hope you'll trust that I'm being as open as I possibly can regarding something that isn't at all open. We get equally frustrated when we're not able to help as much as we'd like, it's just coming up with ideas that stand a shot of being implemented. – Tim Post
 
4:53 PM
@KianMayne Depends. That won't work well on a Turkish locale for example.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm comparing two MD5 strings
 
oh I see, so Puppy did indeed put himself up to become an SO Mod.
 
Als
I actually wanted to scream, WHAT ABOUT MY PROBLEM?
@TonyTheLion: Link please
 
@KianMayne Oh, that should be fine if convert to lower or upper case with the C or English locale.
 
4:55 PM
I have no idea how to do that in C++.
 
he's in there :)
 
Als
Yeah I am on page 1
reading through, interesting read actually.
 
LOG << "Coding = Love" ;
 
Als
@TonyTheLion: Oh I read it, probably the shortest nominations!
:P
 
Als
5:00 PM
How much votes did pup get?
 
don't remember
I don't even remember why I stood, didn't expect to go anywhere
 
Als
Actually a better nomination text could have taken you somewhere but in the absence of that...
 
@DeadMG You said something about there were no C++ mods and that the guys here said you should do it
 
sbi
@Als At least that was honestly him.
 
Als
@sbi: He is honest, Uhm that automatically makes him unqualified for elections.
 
5:03 PM
what even was my nomination text?
 
sbi
15 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
26 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
http://stackoverflow.com/election/1
:1621048 :b
 
rofl
doesn't surprise me at all
 
Really silly. No wonder you didn't go far.
 
Als
@sbi: :) Oh by the Tim Post posted a reply I just posted it here..
 
sbi
@Als Huh? Did he answer? I hadn't even seen your question. Where is it?
 
Als
5:05 PM
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A: Shouldn't serial downvoters be banned from SO?

Tim PostWe sometimes give a warning the first time, depending on how outwardly hostile their current (and past) behavior might be. In quite a few cases, no actual malice was intended, and I'll explain. There are cases where someone happens across an answer that is just really questionable. The person th...

comments on this...But nothing of interest actually...just more of an diplomatic answer really.
 
Well, he says they're discussing it. That's good right?
 
Als
Discussion for the bigger problem at hand, which they will keep on dragging as if its the new C++ standard...
 
Er, you don't want a solution for the bigger problem?
 
Als
Huh
I do, ofcourse
But they always keep discussing, and nothing comes out of it more or less
 
@Als kek
 
5:09 PM
Maybe they will drop concepts and push a solution soon.
 
sbi
> It's good to hear that you are out to solve this problem generally. But I think Als also deserves to be helped in this particular case, and from my question it follows that I think that this user should be banned. - sbi
 
Als
@sbi: Actually, what interests me is, Has the same user being doing this with others too?
He has a very high downvote count, that makes me doubt this..
 
sbi
@Als Why do you ask me? Ask the mods.
 
Als
@sbi: I was kinda hoping mods would comeback with the information saying okay this user was the culprit or no this was not by any specific user, some specific result in addition to the usual thinking and discussing part they do...
but none..
 
sbi
@Als I doubt they'd every tell you who it was actually.
 
Als
5:13 PM
Atleast a note saying we have taken care of this.
 
sbi
But you can tell if a certain user will get get banned.
 
Als
yes exactly
 
GEOCHET, North Branford, CT
9.5k 9 32 54
Oh wait, he's not suspended anymore.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes What about him?
 
Als
5:15 PM
uhm @RMartinhoFernandes: who the hell is that anyways?
 
You can see if a user is suspended because there's a notice in their profile.
@sbi Formerly known as Rich B.
Ring any bells?
Maybe you guys weren't around at the time.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes No. But then I'm a human.
@RMartinhoFernandes Not on meta. Unless I want something from them, I stay off of meta.
 
@sbi He was a problem user on SO too. And was suspended there for a long time too.
 
I'm a problem user...
 
27
A: The Many Memes of Meta

GEOCHETMeme: HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED Originator: TheTXI Cultural Height: Early July 2009 Background: HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED is Rich B. The oldest surviving reference is here, earlier references having been on questions since deleted. There are urban legends surrounding him, all of which are pro...

@TonyTheLion Not as problematic as Rich B, trust me.
Rich B is the reason suspensions were implemented.
 
sbi
5:18 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Ouch.
 
oh damn, I see
I'm definitely not as troublesome
 
ok
fuck this
 
Posted by Jeff Atwood on April 6th, 2009

Are you familiar with the Penalty Box?

The penalty box (sometimes called the sin bin, bad box, or bin) is the area in ice hockey, rugby football and some other sports where a player sits to serve the time of a given penalty, for an offense not severe enough to merit outright expulsion from the contest. Teams are generally not allowed to replace players who have been sent to the penalty box.

It’s not something we looked forward to, but as of tonight, we’re instituting a penalty box on Stack Overflow. …

 
there is nothing wrong with my API
 
Apparently, all mentions of Rich B were purged from the comments.
 
Als
5:22 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes: What did he do to be so bad?
 
@Als He opened his mouth...
 
Als
Oh btw Martin goes by this id now
 
He was known as The Great Edit Nazi.
Posted by Jeff Atwood on March 3rd, 2009

Alas, Stack Overflow has fallen prey to that dread disease that plagues all wiki systems: The Edit War.

We’re not exactly like wikipedia, because we are a hybrid system, but it’s worth scanning the official Wikipedia definition:

Edit warring is the confrontational use of edits to win a content dispute. Administrators often must make a judgment call to identify edit warring when cooling disputes. Administrators currently use several measures to determine if a user is edit warring.

The most common measure of edit warring is the three-revert rule, often abbreviated 3RR. The three-revert  …

 
Als
@TonyTheLion: Someone put something inside it then?
lol
 
5:24 PM
Sometimes he started edit wars over "are not" vs "aren't" and such silly things.
But many times he also did very good and substantial edits.
 
Als
I guess that is the problem, They just cross the limits at some point of time.
 
"If you stare into your monitor and say his name three times, he suddenly appears and starts rolling back your edits." :L
 
Of course, you can't have an edit war alone.
 
Als
A Neil Butterworth minus his arrogance would be a gem!
 
Yea prob true :)
 
5:31 PM
@Als Ah, I see you're talking about me behind my back again! :-)
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: Me??
Did you mean Alf?
 
@Als No, I'm the one who's as knowledgeable as Neil, but without the arrogance.
 
sbi
@Als Look what his statements refers to.
All Microsoft campus flags are at half-mast today.
Wow, I hadn't expected that.
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: :) Yes I agree
 
sbi
Gorski's law: As a discussion grows longer, the probability an American will say 'freedom' approaches 1.
4
 
5:34 PM
@Als Geeze -- that ruins the fun.
 
Als
oh btw, I just noticed what did @AlfPSteinbach, achieve by changing the room title to exactly what I had kept it as?
 
sbi
@Als Honoring someone who is in his age range?
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: I wouldn't deny or argue, You are a genius probably as much Neil. In fact I readily agree.
 
sbi
Aynway, I gotta go now. I might be back later tonight. Or not. Have fun!
 
Als
@sbi: Looks like that :) Have fun
 
5:36 PM
@sbi Later.
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: You might be a genius but I am Mr. Popular today :)
 
@Als it started changing, so i put it back
 
Als
Started changing? uhh? In what way?
 
@sbi Hehe.
@Als Someone changed it.
Taglines don't have free will. Robots do.
Oh wait, I wasn't supposed to say that. No, robots don't have free will. We do all you meatbags humans ask of us.
 
5:55 PM
Steve Jobs died
 
@RMartinhoFernandes better not say sharp things or @sbi will unown you if he doesn't agree
lol
 

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