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17:14
@Fanael the same way you ignore any "real" user. Click on their name, then "hide this user (everywhere)
17:25
bah.
building C++ is such a ridiculous amount of dicking around
@DeadMG I don't know, I just hit F7.
@EtiennedeMartel I know right?
Oh, wait, was I suppose to whine too?
17:55
you do frequently
user2260218
Hello all!
user2260218
How could I write a script that guesses numbers and submits them on a webpage? Could I use python?
@RobertHarvey What a shocker.
@DeadMG you should probably ping him with a link to the actual comment
just for convenience
@Anthony hai, you could use python, ruby, php, javascript and much more !
18:02
@Anthony ok, I am really curious about this. How did you figure this was the place to ask?
@Anthony - You should ask @DeadMG for help. I hear that he loves answering questions. Plus he's a dog.
@Anthony no, python can't compare numbers
if you want to compare numbers, I suggest either using Agda or Verilog
regex for the ultimate win
real men can do CFG with regexps
@Anthony 1. By writing code. 2. Yes.
18:16
I'm so not sure about what I want to do with this website.
@DeadMG: See how easy that was?
Haskell seems like a bad idea, since, at least on the web side, is not very developed.
@RobertHarvey This time.
@RobertHarvey so you won't mind doing that for us every 2 hours or so? :p
18:17
yeah... I think I'll just ping you every time in future :P
@RobertHarvey Is that any good?
@Jefffrey I point it out only because it does exist, and anecdotally it seems better than the frameworks in, say, Scheme, Lisp or even Clojure.
@DeadMG You want help with a personality disorder? :P You guys waste more time trying to troll these folks, when all you have to do is answer their question at the level that it is asked. If they persist, simply tell them that we don't write code for folks here, and to come back when they have an answerable question.
@RobertHarvey gosh yes, why had we never thought of that?
by "all you have to do" you mean "Interrupt our existing conversation and totally lose the plot when they fail to understand the answer or want to ask 9999 followups", and by "tell them to come back" you mean "tell them to come back again and again and again and again for hours".
so based on the evidence of you answering one person who apparently went entirely afk after asking his question, you're telling us what, exactly? ;)
protip: not everyone goes afk after asking their irrelevant questions
18:22
Not for nothing, but we do steer people towards chat when they're question is unanswerable on the main site. You can either be helpful, or confirm everyone's suspicions that SO folks are just a bunch of assholes.
We answer everything, like altruistic losers, in C# and it does not lead to huge problems
@RobertHarvey you really need to spend more time here answering the kind of questions we get
because as much as I don't want to pick a fight with you, you're just talking out your ass right now
I am a moderator on SO. I already know what kinds of questions you get, and what kinds of people you have to deal with. All I'm saying is that you probably reach for the troll rod a bit too early.
@RobertHarvey Well, you really shouldn't steer people here when their question is unanswerable, primarily because it's unanswerable and the only thing that is different is that we can't get rid of them so easily.
@RobertHarvey protip: you have other rods in your arsenal to deal with the ones who don't go away nicely. We don't
18:24
also that.
also, I'm going to go and purchase some chocolate now.
There are reasons why you haven't been given those rods yet. This isn't a WASP country club; you can't just shut people out because they're not in the inner sanctum, or they come in here playing loud rap music. You can explain politely that this isn't the place. You simply choose not to do that.
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because fuck this day.
did something happen today?
@DeadMG feeling worse again?
Nothing remarkable. Just me tripping over the name of the Lounge again.
@RobertHarvey could you at least pretend not to talk down to us please?
I am pretty sure we spend our fair time explaining politely
18:26
ah, the internet doesn't work, my external tools don't work, etc.
so I'm gonna go stuff my face.
again.
@jalf I just saw a counter-example, so I don't think you can really say that.
I am pointing out the pretty regular occurrences where explaining politely has no effect.
I'm sure there are many.
@RobertHarvey your "counter-example" was someone who didn't give off any life sign after asking his question. You have no evidence that "explaining politely" had any effect
@RobertHarvey Yes, there are. Many people are not annoyances
Which is why no one is complaining about those
You were pinged here because you doubted the regularity of irrelevant questions just about 2 hours ago. Not because this was an instance of extremely persistent annoyance and rudeness
Giving such people a specious answer is just a waste of time. It's like referring people to w3fools.com; the information they need is not there.
And it not going to fix the cluelessness.
Your first reach should be: "Your question is not answerable as you've asked it. Go do some more research, and come back when you have better knowledge of your problem domain."
Your second reach should be to ignore.
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18:31
I haven't read the rest of the discussion, but here is my simple question: Why do they ask here?
@RobertHarvey Like you do, I assume? People who are room owners feel a kind of responsibility for enforcing some kind of order on the room. Like a moderator. Putting everyone who asks random questions on our ignore list isn't much of a solution, is it?
Probably for the same reason they ask programming questions on Meta. They're either lost, or they're question-banned on Stack Overflow. Sometimes they are referred to Chat for "discussiony" questions.
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also, IIRC we decided to adopt some rules based on: point to SO, answer if you feel like it, if it's long take it to a private room, otherwise ignore.
@jalf The issue is the threshold at which you would use a tool for keeping such people out. I'm not sure that "they annoy me" qualifies.
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@RobertHarvey meh, yesod.
18:33
@rightfold Ah, bummer. Is that because Functional instead of OO? Is web stuff just antithetical to the functional paradigm?
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@Jefffrey Snap is pretty neat. Happstack is also good, and IME a little more flexible.
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@RobertHarvey Functional programming and object-oriented programming both work well with webdev.
Is it because of the nature of functional programming language designers? "We are math. We are ivory tower. We don't need all this messy, real-world stuff."
@RobertHarvey No, that is not the issue, because you have already told us quite clearly that you don't know what that threshold is, you don't know how often people post dump off-topic questions here, and how they react when we ask them nicely to go away. So please don't tell us now that you suddenly know all about how both regulars and newcomers behave here
user1804599
Functional programming can be exercised in many object-oriented programming languages.
18:37
Sure, but I don't think that's how most of the templating stuff is designed. Unless you're merely talking about immutability.
user1804599
Making our entities immutable was by-far the best decision I have made for our current project.
never mind that though. I have a feeling it's a fairly pointless discussion either way. Life is too short for that. Just stop with the condescension, please, then I'm happy
user1804599
Although PHP I WANT LENSES YOU SON OF A BITCH.
@rightfold lenses?
@rightfold would they even make sense in PHP?
user1804599
18:39
Meh, probably not. :P
user1804599
But I want makeLenses because screw writing getters explicitly.
So yeah, my big choice right now is: go with the wild unexplored Haskell and be probably happy of the decision in the future, or go with the well known Ruby.
user1804599
Or readonly like in C#, also fine.
I'm too much of a pussy to make radical decisions, so I'll probably stick with Ruby side anyway.
@jalf See, this is what I'm talking about. If you can't even hold a general conversation about this stuff without feeling talked down to, how can you be trusted with a banhammer?
18:40
Just wanted to know what you guys think.
@DeadMG it was a nice talk, but I thought that the 60% performance drop was a bit contrived.
user1804599
@Jefffrey Haskell influenced my coding style significantly and positively.
@rightfold Yeah, but I can just see it as an "experimental / too awesome for practice" language.
user1804599
It’s obscure. vOv
user1804599
But still highly instructive.
18:42
@RobertHarvey I'm not sure what I'm getting at. First, I never asked for a banhammer. Second, are you saying that because I decide not to pursue this further, I can't be trusted with it?
The general consensus I'm hearing in here is that the tools are inadequate, which is why C++ was removed from the room name to dissuade noobz from coming in here.
@RobertHarvey I'm not sure what negative consequences you're expecting if we were to be given a banhammer. It's not like, by the admission of all involved, questiondumpers get a good time in here right now anyway. Even if we instabanned every person who ever asked a question here, would that really be so much worse than what happens now?
I'm feeling talked down to you quite explicitly assume that we have never even tried to talk politely to newcomers, and then you brush the concerns off by talking about country clubs and inner sanctums, implying that we just don't want to let others into our cozy little club
user1804599
@Jefffrey Haskell is pretty much like mathematics in this sense.
@DeadMG You do have a point. But nobody outside of The Lounge has ever discouraged newbies from coming in here, other than to say "put on your flame-proof suit first."
18:44
I'm feeling talked down to because you were talking down to us
user1804599
It makes you think more abstractly about things and once you notice the patterns (interlanguage, too) it will become extremely useful.
I'm a newbie here, I suppose. Heck, I wasn't even aware one could be banned!
@jawrainey You can't, at least not by us. That being the issue, from my perspective.
not that I want to ban you personally, I mean.
@jalf I don't see anyone trying to talk politely to newcomers other than Robot and myself. With everybody else it's vitriol. Perhaps you're forgetting that newcomer A who walks in today is not the same person as newcomer B who you shouted at yesterday.
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@RobertHarvey Sure. But that is not the same as asking for a banhammer. (Previously, I suggested a kick command, for example, which is quite a lot milder than a ban. We are also talking about the general existence of those tools, not whether I specifically should be able to wield them)
18:46
And it pisses me off
Just sayin'.
Also I spend most of every day here and the questions posted here are very, very few and far between. Don't like it? Perhaps go chat someplace that isn't attached to a technical Q&A.
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Wait why am I getting myself involved
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - Yeah, I always see you on here. Why is that?
@jawrainey I'm a genius at multi-tasking. And it's fun.
@jawrainey He loves me.
But again, it doesn't bother me too much these days. I don't spend much in the chat these days. I'm just annoyed to see the mere suggestion that perhaps sometimes it is too hard to get rid of noise brushed off as us being elitist and just wanting to ban and be hostile to newcomers to protect our "country club"
18:48
Room topic changed to Lounge<News>
user1804599
@Xeo oh my fucking god
I want to be banned from my unicode shit. I've been at this crap almos non-stop since 05:00 and I'm tired. I need beer and sleep.
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Contra
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best fucking game fucking ever
@MartinJames You are hereby banned.
18:49
Anyway, I'm heading out again. Have fun all :)
... from not doing Unicode.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit \o/ goto club:)
@rightfold he he
@MartinJames "goto is evil" so you should stay home and work more
Too late. I'm off!
is it lightness-board-day or something?
user1804599
@DeadMG Banning is pointless. Let’s introduce waterboarding instead.
user1804599
It’s even more fun!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, the starboard is full of your shit :)
18:51
@rightfold That sounds fun. Is it like wakeboarding?
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I don't get how the pricing for the C&B Encore works... is it 3500 for a whole company, or per person, or what?
user1804599
@jawrainey lol
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per person would be fucking expensive
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18:56
@rightfold Darn, you didn't fall for me trap. I asked a question you see! muahahaha
@jawrainey you are a natural trapper
user1804599
It’s a trap.
My top 25 of iTunes are so full of energy and happiness
I feel like I want to scream and dance FFS
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@Jefffrey As is mine!
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19:00
lol Intermission
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@EtiennedeMartel So slow.
@Xeo Aw, man, 12 minutes.
Haha, right, the infamous excerpt from the holy standard. — legends2k 20 secs ago
Do you get a notification when Smooth uploads stuff?
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19:01
nope
friend of mine happened to notice just as it was up
@rightfold I only know Evanescence, and probably the most commercial song
heh
Good video though
Mind you it was no In The End with the flying whales and shit
user1804599
Bring Me to Life probably :V
that's still probably my favourite music video of all time and I haven't even seen it in 10 years
@rightfold yeah we're there already
50 secs ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
heh
@rightfold What did you find "meh" about yesod?
19:05
Why what gave you that idea Tom? — legends2k 1 min ago
Now he's stalking me.
@rightfold that and My Immortal
and Going Under
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Aaaaand.... it's gone.
@RobertHarvey @rightfold doesn't need reasons to find things "meh". He's @rightfold.
user1804599
@RobertHarvey For one, too much Template Haskell for my taste.
Goddammit Robert
user1804599
19:06
I never heard of Evanescence until I was so extremely bored in college that I went looking for depressing music on YouTube.
I would think Template Haskell would be a natural fit for a... Templating system.
clean up comments when the conversation is done at least >.<
nothing more annoying than it disappearing mid flow
@Jefffrey this is better
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nothing but noise.
also my hilarity is gone
user1804599
19:07
@RobertHarvey woot
@RobertHarvey I don't dispute that, but cleaning it up right now as opposed to in one hour's time is just annoying somehow
user1804599
Do you know what Template Haskell is? :v
when your dog starts barking you give it a couple of minutes; you don't run straight over and muzzle it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I won't be here an hour from now. :D
19:08
@EtiennedeMartel the heck
@RobertHarvey Nah, it's a macro system
likewise, when your kids are arguing you give them ten minutes to reach some sort of conclusion, rather than just forcing them to stop talking immediately
@LightnessRacesinOrbit prolly not very effective
@CatPlusPlus I see. So superficially, they may seem similar, but no.
user1804599
I kinda liked Heist, though it was quite limited.
19:08
shrug WFM!
So, I'm back in my Monday hotel. And Continuum didn't download properly last night. Grr :( Also, no Mentalist.
@JohanLarsson I am at 6:13, when does it start?
It's AST-based macros, so apart from the name they have absolutely nothing in common
Also headache massive headache
I hate life even more today
And what's best when you wake up with a massive headache? BACKLOG
and there it goes my happiness, damnit
@Jefffrey ok not for you then. I like it. So dark, so slow.
19:11
bah, my standard quote got downvoted. always fun.
you are sure able to make friends lighty
ikr
bah, every time I scour SO questions randomly I realise that my own codebase is woefully inefficient if you look at it in terms of cache pipelines and branch prediction and all that. it's abstract and generic with function callbacks basically everywhere. it's great code, and it's also I/O-bound, but I can't help but feel like I'm missing something :(
If it's I/O bound then it doesn't matter
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus :D
@CatPlusPlus It's quite heavy throughput, though. Or, at least, it needs to scale well
I worry that I could be accused of over-using event-driven design
19:14
@rightfold Ah, right. Compile-time metaprogramming.
Scaling and optimising for cache/prediction are two different topics though
user1804599
Also templating is the least annoying thing about webdev, really.
They are, but if my application fails to scale then I should look at where I've spectacularly failed to give myself any optimisation opportunities
Aim at horizontal and it's not an issue :v
user1804599
The most annoying is obviously the infinite stupidity of the users.
19:15
@rightfold That's not specific to webdev
user1804599
The second most annoying is the infinite stupidity of the fucking client.
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Never said it was. :P
@CatPlusPlus Not up to me
ITT the lounge realizes performance is a thing
Performance is many things
user1804599
19:17
Developer performance.
user1804599
Most developers perform terribly regardless of circumstances.
Painkiller is helping
DID I HEAR PERFORMANCE?!
"~~~~~~~~~purrformance~~~~~~~~~"
Headache less
19:17
point is, my app will not scale vertically as well as it could if it were designed totally differently (and were a horrid mess of direct function calls and cyclic dependencies), but it has to
headache dance
oh well.
fixed in v2
Improve the compiler to make those optimisations!
good idea brb
ok now what
Top track from House of Lies:
Did someone say, ~~~~~purrrrrrformmmmmance~~~~~?
19:24
6 mins ago, by ScarletAmaranth
DID I HEAR PERFORMANCE?!
user1804599
lol π guy comes in
7 mins ago, by Jefffrey
"~~~~~~~~~purrformance~~~~~~~~~"
no
<Summon Mysticial>
Level 87 Black Magic
user1804599
furpormance
A little bit of pears for Mance.
@rightfold You're such a teenager.
user1804599
19:31
Oh my god oh my god oh my god.
user1804599
So nervous for tomorrow.
@rightfold first prostate exam?
user1804599
lol
user1804599
Similar.
what the heck happens tomorrow?
19:35
32 secs ago, by ScarletAmaranth
@rightfold first prostate exam?
it's all day I ask you that, don't I deserve to know?
Tomorrow happens tomorrow
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user1804599
omg
if you keep crying like a bitch, at least tell us why
:)
user1804599
19:36
:'(
So, what's the Lounge equivalent of vaguebooking?
attention whoring?
Sounds like something an eternal teenager like Radek would do.
wtf is vaguebooking?
@DeadMG Posting intentionally vague Facebook status updates to attract attention.
19:39
ah
well, that's their own fault for using Facebook then
I don't really know.
Don't you hate it when people come up to you and ask you if you can "hack a website" just because you can code?
never happened
19:41
Well, it happens way too often to me
but they have often told me to fix their wifi connection or some other shit
"Come on man, I'm a programmer... I break computers, I don't fix them"
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is my default answer now
This rich bastard offered me $10,000 to deface a website for him. I don't know how to feel about this :|
are you able to do that?
No, he didn't even ask if I could~
@MohammadAliBaydoun I think that's common only in arabic communities
19:43
@HamZa That must be it
I swear, if I could find someone to deface it for me, I'd pull this off and let them take half the money
I have to be honest: I've stolen that answer from somewhere, but I don't remember where.
I also got approached, so I just deleted all contacts that I don't really know
I think it was reddit
Where are the dark corners of the internet where you find people who do these things?
here?
19:46
It's easy to hack websites nowadays. There are tools easy to use. You just need the basics, some brains and of course a lot of vulnerable code
you need to do something called "man in the middle"
if the website does not use certificates, you can be pretty sure you can do something
that's only possible in a network you share with the victim
but I'm no expert, I've just attended a "networks and security" course at uni
@HamZa and... you don't share the internet with an victim?
oh I know what you mean ...
um sniffing packets between any arbitrary website and any arbitrary website visitor from the comfort of your own office is not trivial
19:48
It shouldn't be that hard to find someone who's willing to take $5,000 for an immoral act~
or the more classic, SQL Injection, XSS, etc..
@Jefffrey MITM is usually achieved when you're under the same router
the packets don't go through your router, is the main problem
@MohammadAliBaydoun 3,000 you mean?
:)
or even necessarily the same hemisphere of the planet
19:49
@Jefffrey Wh- Why yes!
;D
Do any of you guys participate in CTF's ?
This website uses Microsoft IIS 6.0 apparently
@HamZa Capture The Fag is illegal in my jurisdiction
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wuuuuut, so sad :(
I looked up a list of vulnerabilities and they seem to be numerous
19:51
see? I'm only able to break things
damnit
good job @Jefffrey
mov Lightness somewhereelse
But I like Lightness :<
longjmp overyourcommand
19:51
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He's so fabulous
ret ; ENOUGH BICKERING.
hehe
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A: setInterval calling a function every n seconds

Lightness Races in Orbitvar dim1= :="Skid 1".Test_tag:; This is complete nonsense. The parse failure causes your function execution to fail in a manner so spectacular that the entire timer is killed.

downvote in 11 seconds
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ignore !
19:56
I should
and another downvote on my standard quote! wtf!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Might be from the same guy.

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