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09:00
Shit. And I diligently made sure my account keys was never in my source ;) It's in my account...
@ScottW Needs to be put in profile bio
Also I'm watching Kiniro Mosaic and it's a bit too kawaii for me.
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hah
Harro~
@rightfold Alice is moe.
She should sleep.
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Wie is Alice?
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09:07
Oh LOL.
heh it's so weird now a days to hear "hentai" to mean perversion.
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I know a guy whose father is into hentai.
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@Rapptz I know someone who knows the author.
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@Rapptz that's how it's been used for a pretty long time in anime now, no?
I've always heard ecchi, not hentai. Guess it depends on the anime.
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09:12
Shin-chan is ecchi.
I've recently heard it in Kaleido Star, a 2003 anime.
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According to some website.
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Hummingbird IIRC.
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@Rapptz Hm, I've always understood 'ecchi' to describe a situation or scene, and 'hentai' to describe a person
foreigners have ruined both words :v
09:17
@Rapptz to my plebian ears, it's always meant (more or less) anime porn
@Rapptz You're a foreigner!
it means perversion lol
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@Rapptz why?
And perversion means what exactly?
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the anime industry used the words that way, so I don't see what foreigners have to do with it, really.
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09:18
penis
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@Rapptz or 'abnormal'
never seen it used for abnormal
but yeah, I guess
In One Piece Franky prides himself in being hentai.
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hentaigana
IIRC that's the original meaning, 'strange, abnormal'
@Xeo it's very ambiguous
09:19
Who's "One-Piece Franky"? Rocky Horror character?
intentionally I assume
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@Potatoswatter One Piece is a show, Franky is a character
Does the cast of One Piece dress in unitards?
no lol
@Xeo right.
It's a show about wrestling, right?
@Potatoswatter No because One Piece is cool and everything in One Piece is cool because One Piece is cool.
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eh
I don't like One Piece.
@Rapptz I know that it means subverting something from its intended purpose. However when applied as it usually is to sex, the meaning is very subjective and context-dependent.
09:24
how'd you get subverting from perversion o.o
> perversion
late 14c., "action of turning aside from truth, corruption, distortion"
Also, that is a terrible dictionary.
@Potatoswatter Oh ok
Yawn. Provisioning a CentOS VM on Azure is taking too damn long
8 messages moved to bin
Oh. There were more message. Sorry kitty
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troll bin, move them to the troll bin
7 messages moved from bin
@telkitty.exe Had I done so, I wouldn't have been able to get them back. Your choice
Wait wat. Still provisioning. Come on MS, it's been over 5 minutes now
Pretty.
Boring.
Pretty boring.
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> koala1
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We always use Windows' koala as test data if we have to do something with images.
so yeah, I some how landed myself as some sort team lead yesterday...
Trololol, on the azure forums:
> For some reason when I get to my second line of code it wont let me type anything

Login as: *enter my username
ask for password: *Can't type anything...

Am I retarded or is there some fishy here?
09:44
@sehe @presiuslitelsnoflek leave those poor Azure guys alone.
@thecoshman hey I haven't done anything yet
> Macroshit Wangblows Niggernet Exploder
I'll try to remember that one
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09:59
This is for @thecoshman
Got all the way to MOTHERFUCKER
Not offensive enough. I'll just stick to c++
Much more satisfying
are the controls inverted..?
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ya
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Fuck, I can't get used to the controls.
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10:10
> According to the BBC
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Not sure if British Broadcasting Corporation or Big Black Cock.
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> GameManager
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Even the code is offensive.
gamedev is full of managers
InputManager, SceneManager, etc
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10:15
BadArchitectManager
Hi, can I ask a C++ question here?
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Nope.
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The only question you can ask here is whether you may ask a question here.
who uses the issue tracker for this nonsense? github.com/hjiang/jsonxx/issues/32
This is the VisualBasic room.
Why would you ask a C++ question here?
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10:17
@Rapptz phlegx
time to sleep.
Haha. I'll just say it - I'm having some problems with std::shared_ptr<void>. Would someone mind looking at this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/22654422/…
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@Bruce you cant be serious
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> I probably cannot use `Boost.Any' since it uses RTTI and my application needs performance.
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10:19
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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You know, you'd assume people in here, if they are interested in C++, would be following the C++ tag - and as such would have already seen your question.
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> wants to avoid dynamic type behavior
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> uses void pointers to emulate dynamic type behavior
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You probably are looking for a good design instead. And templates.
I don't know what to say -_-
10:21
@sehe I suppose CUNT is the final one.
Ooh
@rightfold Templates? how?
For proper static polymorphism
@Bruce write Java, maybe it's still time to switch!
you're using void* instead of templates while saying you care about performance
10:24
I don't think I'm using void*... am I?
You'd probably get better performance from boost, at least it does the wrong things the right way. :/
you have an utyped pointer
@Bruce The purpose of std::shared_ptr<void> is to provide the advantages of void* in a shared_ptr.
that is void*, acquaint yourselves
But anyway, what isn't answered by the top answer there?
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10:25
@Bruce a shared pointer to void is still a void pointer.
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Same thing really, except owning.
Oh.
static_pointer_cast< my_type >( my_shared_ptr_void )
you introduce one level of indirection (which leads to catastrophic performance hits beyond only the fact it needs to be dereferenced, but also invalidates caches and whatnot) instead of using parametric polymorphism to template code statically
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If you want to store different kinds of data in one object, you should take a look at boost::variant really.
10:27
I am serious, you might as well switch to Java
@Potatoswatter Will that introduce any UB in some cases?
@Bruce If my_type isn't a valid type to be static_casting to, of course it will.
@ScarletAmaranth Or just have a better design...
What do you expect?
Using a dynamic language might yield better performance than rolling your own dynamic typing.
10:28
@Bruce better design would involve proper usage of language
@Bruce You really need to rethink your design if you need to make a pointer to a dynamic typed var
Don't use shared pointers
@R.MartinhoFernandes this
That's not something you need a workaround for, it's just bad design.
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@CatPlusPlus Use shared pointers in immutable data structures!
10:29
Also void* is not dynamic typing, it's lack of typing
void* is literally just as good as a label referring to an address in assembly
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label: foo(); void* label = &&label; :D
hell you can't even do pointer arithmetic on it unelss it's like a GCC extension that implicitly casts to char* or whatever bollocks
@rightfold yeah but that's sad, not funny :)
Basically my problem is to map strings to arbitrary objects. That's it. And I had to implement some kind of tying. For example, "two" and "too" gets mapped to the same object. That's why I was using shared pointers!
Who cares about pointer arithmetic
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10:30
Pointer arithmetic is funny.
@CatPlusPlus I'm just saying it's just as good as a label
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@Bruce You still need to store the type of said objects somewhere.
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So use boost::variant not void.
@Bruce Don't mind the circus here too much. But seriously, what is your question?
@Bruce That doesn't say anything about need for shared pointers
10:31
@rightfold Thanks, will look into it once.
@rightfold No, that's for objects whose type may vary during their lifetime.
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Inheritance is also possible, if that fits your design.
@Potatoswatter Uh what
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@Potatoswatter You don't have to reassign variants if you want to use them. :S
@Potatoswatter It doesn't have to be...
10:32
Variant is a finite sum type, Any is infinite sum type, that's the difference
@CatPlusPlus Exactly what I thought. I considered using handles too. Also, normal indexes. They might be much simpler...
@rightfold There's no point in the discrimination part of the union if you don't need it.
@Potatoswatter This is the question stackoverflow.com/questions/22654422/…
@Potatoswatter You're being silly
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10:32
@Potatoswatter wat
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You need to store the type somewhere, as I said.
@Bruce It looks like the answer there is all the answer you need. You didn't ask us anything more. So what's the deal?
boost::variant is already basically void* plus type info. Use that
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If you use a void pointer or a C++ union doesn't make a fucking difference for that part.
@rightfold wait what?
10:33
Use variant if you have a closed set of types, use any if you have an open set of types
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YOU NEED TO STORE THE TYPE OF THE OBJECT SOMEWHERE.
and whether you're going to reassign during the lifetime of an object is irrelevant
@rightfold Unless he already knows the type. In which case shared_ptr<void> solves his problem. Which seems likely to be the case anyway.
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10:34
Storing the type in a totally different place is most likely a complete mess sooner or later.
Sure, you can put stuff in a map<string, shared_ptr<void>>, but you can't use it in any way without a type tag
I'm currently thinking what @Potatoswatter just said ^. Is that wrong?
shared_ptr<void> is an unrestricted existential, can't do much about those except say that yup, they exist
it's not wrong, it's stupid, shared_ptr<void> doesn't carry type information around and you need to store it somewhere else
@Bruce Dude. What is your frikking question that is not already answered by the answer to your question!
10:36
Stop being rude
And if you're dumb-casting to only one type, then you might as well only store that type??
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You also need to compute or otherwise retrieve the type in the deleter.
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And all you have is... a pointer to the object!
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Good luck!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Suppose this was a speech recognition project. Would boost::variant?
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10:36
@CatPlusPlus huh, that's a fancy way of saying it; where does one read about such fancy terms?
would you use*
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Unless you have stateful deleter. :F
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But then you still store information with it, so can just as well do that right away. :P
Boost's variant is compatible with speech recognition, yes.
10:37
@CatPlusPlus dzenkuje bardzo
Unless you're speaking Esperanto, then it bugs out
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait what :D?
@Potatoswatter Just thinking whether the job can be done with std::shared_ptr<void>, without much trouble in the future !
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It cannot.
@ScarletAmaranth Don't ask me.
10:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes Performance?
oh my god
@hellfire769 The point is, in the deleter you can and should do everything that you normally should. You never showed us that relevant code, so we can't show you the equivalent thing? — sehe 5 secs ago
So few votes on such an obvious correct answer
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You cannot not have trouble when using void pointers.
~pfrofmenace~
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@Bruce What is it?
10:38
@rightfold this
btw did you know that shared_ptr uses virtual dispatch internally
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love that feature
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Create a damn design that doesn't suck, and if you find it's too slow optimize then not now.
For the deleter, I reckon
@CatPlusPlus NO IT DOESN'T IT HAS MAGICAL PERFORMANCE DUST INSIDE IT
10:39
hahahah
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Pony dust?
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OMG POINIES
Also what the fuck is with C++ developers and RTTI
OH GOD RTTI WE MUST REIMPLEMENT IT/DISABLE IT
we dont need no stinking RTTI
(hi LLVM)
10:39
> POINIEÅžIE
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Ponyformance
It's magical
I can vouch for this
long lol
* I program too much
SELECT * FROM `brain`
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0 rows found
10:42
No semicolon, wont run :(
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People with brains don't use SELECT *.
Point granted.
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It's always hilarious when code breaks due to columns added when people use select * or natural joins.
I dont know what columns a brain record would have.
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10:43
lol
zombo.com
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No Flash on my machine.
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Btw, is there a way to tell Chrome to shut up about installing Flash?
I have UB in my tests.
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Gratz
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10:44
I have UB in my testicles.
@15492960 WANKER
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What the fuck
Somebody just downvoted my 'how does std::forward work' answer :(
Turns out initialising stuff random numbers doesn't help with avoiding overflows.
@ikh You're completely missing the point. You don't need to change this. If the destructor is private, you couldn't call delete on it anyway, with or without smart pointers. It's probably not intended to be manually deleted. — sehe 3 secs ago
@rightfold Close it
@SuhosinPony Pffft depends on the database engine and query submission interface.
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@sehe kek
10:47
@rightfold Uninstall it
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It took me like two hours to install it.
I'm very dumb and I don't have access to the server I need to get database from
And it's right on the deadline
Cool
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Also need Chrome since we develop an app that only supports Chrome. :F
@Bruce I'm writing a website. Should I use char or int?
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I should've checked yesterday :/
10:48
@rightfold My condolences for your loss.
char is compatible with websites.
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@SuhosinPony hey, you know how great this is.
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NO FUCKING IE
@CatPlusPlus at least you didn't check tomorrow
10:49
@rightfold I'm lucky, I dont work on anything web based anymore.
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Nice. What do you do?
Used to work at a rails house and had to do IE6 testing. :(
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LOL
Data analysis mainly
Writing tools to parse ridiculous amounts of useless data and get small amounts of useful data. (Sounds like I work for the NSA, now, right?)
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Sounds fun.
10:51
I like it, sure beats IE6. :P
for one brief second, I thought pony is lobster
I wonder what a "3'd party class" is
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay thanks
@CatPlusPlus pretty good read
CIass = See My(I) ass ?
telkitty strikes again
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10:52
@CatPlusPlus That's what you get for trying to optimize by using threads.
@rightfold threats, FTFY
I would be blushing if it was not for my thick skin ~_~
easiest way to spit out a bmp from Haskell?
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@SuhosinPony Just data.Where(message => message.Author.Sex != Sex.Female). :P
10:59
@rightfold lol'd IRL :(
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Surfacing is a nice song.
Who's it by?
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Slipknot. :v
I'm listening to Omni at the moment. Good coding music.
dis is some good coding music
11:04
Was more thinking this.
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No audio on my machine. :V
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I get your point. I'll just write down my problem again. Maybe someone can be kind enough to propose a better solution than shared_ptr<void>.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Suppose I'm training word models for speech recognition. Each model has some parameters (might be gaussians, weights or whatever in the form of vectors, matrices or any object) which are data members of the class representation of the model. But some models have the same parameters, for example "two" and "too". So it's better if you can tie these for faster speed.
I couldn't work without audio I dont think
I agree after reading the question better that Foo has a design problem. You already had my +1 from the first minute, so can't +1 more :) — sehe 13 secs ago
dat ambient echo :)
Also, careful now, you'll become a coding genius this way o.O
@SuhosinPony s/ l/ b/
@Bruce None of this tells me what you're trying to do in your code.
XY all day erry day
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was using shared_ptr<void>s as data members inside the model class, so tied ones point to the same memory location.
@ScarletAmaranth He has terrible technique! Look at those dropped wrists...
11:15
can some one tell me :::
Error 5 error MSB6001: Invalid command line switch for "link.exe". Length cannot be less than zero.
Parameter name: length C:\Program Files\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\Platforms\Win32\Microsoft.Cpp.Win32.Targets 268 6 ylam
cause of error???
> error: static_assert failed "INVALID_MATRIX_PRODUCT__IF_YOU_WANTED_A_COEFF_WISE_PRODUCT_YOU_MUST_USE_THE_EXPL‌​ICIT_FUNCTION"
This is not how static_assert is meant to be used.
Haha, Eigen?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was wondering about that too, but it seems that when you reach a fucking grand-epic-master level, you can play with your feet if you so desire :)
It's Wildlife Wednesday again:( Despite the attempt by a badger to destroy my Fiesta last week, I do appreciate some wildlife, from the speed and power of dolphins twisting around in water to the stupendous migrations of the arctic tern - amazing.

Then there are grouse.

Ive just been shopping in Anne's car, (mine is in the shop getting badger damage fixed), and, sure enough, in roughly the same place as the badger, two grouse waddled across the road. As a ton and a half of metal hurtled towards them - nothing. They did eventually take flight - just after I managed to stop a metre or so
11:17
@ScarletAmaranth ;p
Oh, it's a graceful degradation thing.
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah observe the "MUST" not "SHOULD"
call it a compile-time exception
There's a macro that makes static_assert in C++11 or some of the usual bad-type-as-error in C++03.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit speaking of mentalist, seen the latest episode yet?! :)
He meant the style of the message
11:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes what
@ScarletAmaranth in a few hours :)
There's no static_assert in 03
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There's no static_assert in C++03.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm aware
the problem is that your previous message does not make sense in English
It makes perfect sense
11:19
The usual trick involves causing a template instantiation that uses a type named after the error so you get that type name somewhere in a regular error message.
I have no problem understanding it
"There's a macro that expands in C++11 to static_assert, and in C++03 to one of those pick-a-bad-type-and-make-it-error tricks to fake static_assert"
Did I parse it correctly?
@CatPlusPlus because you are a foreigner
Sir,I do not read foreign English nor understand the same .plz help me to resollve my doubt. thx in advanced
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yesterday, by Cat Plus Plus
Do the stick in their ass grow naturally or is there a professional planting ceremony
11:21
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's wrong with it?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now that I've unravelled its intended meaning, I think the problem is the misuse of "to make", a lack of punctuation, and "some of the usual bad-type-as-error" being borderline comprehensible ;)
fwiw, I'm not being deliberately obtuse (this time); it genuinely took me a few minutes to parse
no hard feelings
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, so all just the product of carelessness and not some misconception of mine.
Are they famous?
The grouse, I mean
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd imagine so
@R.MartinhoFernandes Rewite it in Pourtuguese - it's probably easier to parse;)
11:26
@sehe Well done
Also, you're replying to messages that are less than three months old; what's gotten into you?!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There weren't any. Thanks.
@sehe If they carry on like that, a better adjective would be 'flat'. Apart from the whisky reference, they are famous for stupidity, requiring a runway for takeoff fit for a 747 and the flying skill of the spruce-goose. Pheasant are similar - fat, stupid and work better in a stewpot than in the air.
@R.MartinhoFernandes good =)
@MartinJames beat me to the pheasant comparison
never ate them, mind
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've had pheasant occasionally - tasty. Anne ate one that was extracted from the front grille of a Mondeo - not sure if that counts as roadkill or airkill.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit int because it can hold more data
11:38
morning
@DeadMG Only just.
hey, give the sick man some slack.
@DeadMG :)
@DeadMG that seems orthogonal to sleeping habits
@MartinJames ;p
@StackedCrooked ok
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11:48
@SuhosinPony that's why I have a phone with audio. :D
A question appeared on the Coliru feedback page:
> how can get complied code ? where we can download it?
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Wat een imbeciel.
The resulting executable is not stored in the archives.
However, if he is clever, he can find a way.
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Never trust people who put spaces right in front of question marks.
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@StackedCrooked print executable hex, copy and store?
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11:54
@StackedCrooked cat a.out >> main.cpp :P
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or upload through some API from within the code?
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@Xeo no network access.
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ah?
I thought that was active
@Xeo yeah, just use the command line to print base64 encoding of the executable (or hex)
11:55
Any compiled code in particular? I mean, he/she is probaby using compiled code to post the stupid message.
he could even make the output file a self-extracting executable
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@rightfold hm
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Enabling network access is a horribly stupid idea.
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guess so
btw @Stacked, y u no at Lounge Unconference in Berlin?
I haven't yet figured out how to get there (and how or when to get back).
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11:58
@StackedCrooked By train.
I suck at real-world problem solving.
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train might be easiest
@rightfold that would be fun
~_~ take the coach, just take it ,,,
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by plane would probably be very expensive
11:59
@rightfold My phone has no battery life. :(
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@SuhosinPony My phone is a Nokia. :)
Stacked is in Bel... oops, nearly mentioned it.

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