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18:00
It's not.
It's not a problem.
Well, it's not your problem.
Not our either
It's a problem with no solution, that only arises because you decided to solve your problem with a solution that cannot possibly work.
okay
thanks :)
that was not that hard
It's the same thing as in my original reply, just restated.
no
"You need to state the problem you have, not the solution you want"
18:01
XY problem isn't actually something obvious
It's bleedin' obvious that you cannot override a member variable that can have more than one instance with static one that can only have one instance.
Yeah he said the same thing again
Uh fuck typing on a tram
@ThePhD I'll just assume that you underestimate what I can possibly do in my build. Did I mention I have the power of a Turing-complete language at my disposal?
I thought that was obvious
@MartinJames yeah, now when you said it, it looks pretty obvious to me also.
18:03
I mean I know that I'm prejudiced dumb etc., but ThePhD's trademark is being uneducated
Hmm. it's 'obvious day'.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes The turing-complete language -- and the writing of code in such a language -- is not suitable for simple, predictable build tasks, including that of adding or removing specific files, taking specific actions on certain types of files or specific files, and doing certain things to certain groups of files.
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And that's all I need to say about that.
@ThePhD The Turing-complete language is not needed for those tasks.
@ScottW what?
18:05
@ThePhD But I hope that now you see how your visual abstraction would be limited.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes If you have no abstraction over that language to perform those actions automatically based on the intent you provide the machine, then you have to write in the language or copy/paste to get started.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't mind it's limitations, so long as it can produce a sensible default and something useful to work with up until I really need customization.
and you're probably fat
@ThePhD I don't care what you mind. I only care that you understand what you didn't before.
@ThePhD Those menial tasks can be hidden behind buttons or keyboard shortcuts just fine.
18:08
@ScottW you eat your chips and say "Nom, nom, nom"
You put too much importance on those menial tasks IMO. No build system makes them difficult vOv
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@R.MartinhoFernandes But many build systems make them annoying.
i still love you :)
Name one.
No, wait, I will name one: MSBuild, because it uses XML.
18:09
@ScottW no?
(Even then, adding and removing files is still trivial in MSBuild's sea of violence)
QMake is annoying because I don't know how to use it.
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make is annoying because I have to edit it by hand.
oh that reminds me
I did download QTCreator and I might give that a shot.
I think clicking is more manual than editing.
18:11
@StackedCrooked Isn't that just adding a filename to a list somewhere (like pretty much every other fucking build system)
@ThePhD Isn't that just adding a filename to a list somewhere (like pretty much every other fucking build system)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but it's kinda opaque when it comes to build options.
But that's just because I am not familiar with it. I suppose.
user784668
Build systems suck, so I wrote (in C, no less) my own that's project specific and that ignores complicated stuff like dependencies and that basically just fork/execs the compiler.
@ScottW STL style, huh? notepad and cmd
Vim and gnu make
18:18
> unary_function is deprecated in C++11. Its functionality has been made obsolete by std::function.
Make is crappy for several reasons, but definitely not because it's hard to add or remove files from a build.
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@VitaliusKuchalskis ed and ed
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@EtiennedeMartel wait what
There are no directly text-file-driven build systems that do not induce sickness upon opening the makefile in an editor. gnu make results in immediate projectile vomiting, (or perhaps solution vomiting).
@Fanael That's what cppref says.
user784668
18:19
@EtiennedeMartel It's a wiki, right? Change it.
@Fanael But what does the standard says?
@Fanael and by that you ment?
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@VitaliusKuchalskis the standard text editor and the standard text editor
Don't use unary function uh
@EtiennedeMartel It is deprecated.
The functionality that replaces it would be... result_of, I guess.
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18:22
Oh cool.
user784668
The binutils fuckers fixed the build.
Stupid line y u no appear >.>
I wish I had the latest redbook edition now :(
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Now it just says "unary_function is deprecated in C++11".
@Borgleader Want to look up something in particular? Or a more lengthy study session?
I have it on the shelf behind me.
user784668
Is there any good correct C++ tutorial?
18:26
@R.MartinhoFernandes Longer study session (on tessellation shaders wrt bezier curves)
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One that doesn't care about being simple to understand and similar bullshit, just striving to be correct?
Build times could probably be greatly reduced by treating all headers as precompiled headers for the duration of the build, with the programmer taking responsibility for always having same macro definitions (except for NDEBUG don't know how to handle that)
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks anyway :)
I wonder why nobody's done that (to my knowledge)
18:28
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Too busy buying SSDs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes All orders of magnitude improvements help, I think.
user784668
There used to be one.
@Borgleader I'd say show code but I suck at OpenGL
AGRH, I really need constexpr now :(
Oooh, Canada is second and the Netherlands are third. Woop woop.
(Norway is first, but we'll fuck them at hockey anyway)
18:36
I'll have to go with int sizes::total() const and static const int sizes::const_total :<
No, wait.
Yes.
Fuck.
hello all
I think, in some way, vaccination avoiders also are similar to election avoiders
both of them say "ohh let others do it. i will be fine".
i wonder whether there is a theory for this?
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I got it to show now, but tessellation is wonky.
Time for some tea.
@JohannesSchaub-litb What a generalisation.
Quite some antivaxers actively campaign so that others do not do it.
hm i see. so there is at least some difference between the two.
i still see at least some behavior in common
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@JohannesSchaub-litb Well of course, ones avoid vaccination and the others avoid election.
18:41
@BartekBanachewicz s/I suck/I think I suck but I don't/
@Fanael good point!
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
> I once down voted an answer by H2C03. Boy did he make me regret that. He went back over my old questions and made ugly comments and basically hounded me until I withdrew my down vote. Then he went back and deleted all his nasty personal comments about me. For long time I just avoided participating on questions he was involved in, I didn't want to incur his wrath again. – Charlie Burns 5 mins ago
^^ damn...
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@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
18:42
lol
that's fail
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@Mysticial Isn't that, like, illegal on SO?
i would have called the mods on him/her
@Mysticial Poor sod, getting totally steamrolled.
Hell, I've incurred his wrath before just by disagreeing with him over premature optimization.
What'd he do about it?
18:43
Asshole level exceeds 90%
user784668
@Mysticial Link!
@EtiennedeMartel tomorrow Canada vs USA female hockey
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's gonna be something.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol he sent it by email
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Finland wins
18:44
i don't care who wins in russia.
My interwebs are getting dodgy again, must be a FF update downloading.
@R.MartinhoFernandes A bunch of semi-confrontational comments that left my answer here a mess:
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A: Do compilers produce better code for do-while loops versus other types of loops?

MysticialFirst of all: A do-while loop is not the same as a while-loop or a for-loop. while and for loops may not run the loop body at all. A do-while loop always runs the loop body at least once - it skips the initial condition check. So that's the logical difference. That said, not everyone strictl...

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@JohannesSchaub-litb Russia, obviously.
@Fanael They got their asses kicked by Canada yesterday.
18:45
@EtiennedeMartel We all know it's gonna be Russia Canada next
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Female hockey? Nah, only Canada and the USA are actually good.
I wouldn't even call it a "wrath" - at least not compared to all the other stories that I'm hearing.
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@EtiennedeMartel TBF I don't follow the olympics
As for male hockey, I would really like a Canada/Russia finals.
And they we fuck them.
Yeah.
@EtiennedeMartel Russia is in Group B, but Canada USA in Group A
18:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes What goes around, comes around.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah I'll get my ass kicked if we win
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@Mysticial What a moron.
@ScottW I'm canada, fuck me! :D
user784668
@Borgleader Fuck you.
@EtiennedeMartel Nobody else wants to be.
18:47
@ScottW I'll be whatever you want me to ;)
@Fanael I almost deleted that answer after the first round of comments. But I stood firm. Didn't want to give in like that.
@Mysticial Seems like bog standard disagreement to me.
Rather the opposite.
18:49
@DeadMG Strange, isn't it?
You can tell that I was starting to get really annoyed. I can't say that I handled it in the best way.
user784668
@Mysticial So he won
@Fanael He would've won even more had I deleted the answer. (back when it was still < 20 votes)
It must suck to be Finland or Switzerland
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18:53
@Mysticial Protip: the best way of dealing with trolls is ignoring them
@Fanael That's easier to do in some cases than others.
@Fanael they always told things like "Fight the fire with fire", "The only way to kill a monster is to become a monster"...
user784668
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Which is why you should trust my advice: I'm a troll myself. Just ask Bartek.
By this definition, the only way to get rid of trolls is to become a troll and troll it so hard that he ragequit
That explains a lot, actually.
18:57
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That happened when Genesis lost the election.
user784668
@Mysticial The band?
@Mysticial what happened?
user784668
@Mysticial That's genesis, not Genesis. Learn to FILE_FLAG_POSIX_SEMANTICS.
I didn't hear the entire story. But IIRC, it basically boiled down to this:
1. He was an immature repwhore.
2. Thought of becoming a moderator as an "achievement" rather than a job.

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