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6:00 PM
Oh, and not-GPL. Sigh.
 
@Jefffre I made a typo. I uodated my post. — Vlad from Moscow 1 min ago
Now there are two more.
 
s/made/will make/
 
Xeo
ahaha, he just added parens
 
Solves it.
 
@Xeo Correctly.
 
6:01 PM
BTW there is some problem with your keyboard. It keeps changing and dropping random characters in your posts. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
I think this is excessive.
 
I can't keep up with Vlad edits, I only got 8 meg connection.
 
ITT @Xeo didn't even understand the problem with the original code
 
An 'o' instead of 'p' is a perfectly reasonable typo.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes His constant typo'ing is excessive. He does it on almost every post and comment.
 
Most keyboard layouts have the two right next to each other.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, it's a general remark. Ok.
 
6:02 PM
And who is "@Jefffre"? He needs to take more care. Simply reading his comments and correcting errors before hitting <enter> would suffice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @Lightness I second that.
 
Xeo
I somehow overlooked the =, sigh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ¬_¬ amd?
 
6:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he even got the 3 fs right
 
Not sure why Benjamin has now popped up to hit the "continue this conversation in chat" button, when he wasn't even in it.
 
so I am not sure if I should pause my education
 
He didn't.
 
@Jefffrey I suspect that this act depleted his brainpower
 
It's forged.
 
6:04 PM
I need help with that.
 
BTW his answer is fine now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, Hah
 
@BartekBanachewicz What for?
 
<3 @BenjaminGruenbaum
@Jefffrey Yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 something stupid
 
6:05 PM
'I have not undertood your quetion. The code I showed i fine' awesome.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D
 
First ring: cursed ring of hunger. First amulet: amulet of inaccuracy. Crawl hates me
 
@MartinJames Diagnosis? 's' broken.
 
Hisss postsss posesses no esses.
 
@CatPlusPlus You wear items of unknown beatitude?
No wonder you suck at it.
 
6:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus link
 
Wear IDing is not an uncommon strategy
 
Look where it got you :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The plan is as follows: Pause studies for 2 years (1 would be hard to negotiate), earn 33k€ net, a) bring 36k€ (2x33-30) home and finish education without worrying about money b) manage to find an university in Dublin that will take me and after 2 years have a BSc done there.
 
@thecoshman To what?
 
@CatPlusPlus tanks
 
6:07 PM
So you're going to earn €33,000 and bring home €36,000. Fuck, wish I could do that (the principle, not the amount).
 
user1804599
PAUSE y u no work.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit after 2 years.
 
are you guys serious about bitcoins?
 
Please don't go to Dublin. You'll be unbearably close
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Diagnosis - Vlad is an Igor.
 
6:08 PM
@Jefffrey In what sense?
 
@Jefffrey dogecoins are the new hot thing
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I really could use a real piece of advice now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pf, I'm still alive
Besides, Xom would find it funny
 
@CatPlusPlus It works if you're sure of its beatitude or if you have remove curse handy. Otherwise it's a recipe for YASD.
 
ergh, too much effort
 
6:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz do it. You only live once.
 
Remove curse is p common
 
@BartekBanachewicz worst comes to worst it won't work out and you skip just a semester.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hey! get of my land!
 
@CatPlusPlus Find one before you starve!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thing is, it might be hard for me to come back here and finish my education
apparently people rarely go back and finish studies (yeah totally wondering why)
 
6:09 PM
Starving is mostly a threat when you're doing heavy spellcasting
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm. It embarrasses me to say I have no idea how much is 33k. I'll be back. fires up calculator
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ~45 gross
 
@BartekBanachewicz Life doesn't work out very well for people who don't take initiative. Not finishing your studies if they're boring doesn't sound like the worst thing.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit can't find the message
 
Xeo
33k/year is more than I have, pre-tax
 
6:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz instead, work 80% time and learn type theory and things that actually interest you.
 
I guess I could play WebTiles online and you could watch me die over and over again
 
some suggested to go with bit/doge coins
 
@Xeo I was talking about 33 net, yeah.
 
it looks like a scam to me
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz nice
 
6:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Not what I meant, though.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's what I am thinking
 
@BartekBanachewicz on a side note, 45K bruto is not a lot of money for a senior position here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can buy a small decent apartment for 36k€ in Poland
@BenjaminGruenbaum they are not going to push me for a senior after all
 
Lookth like Vlad finally got hith anthwer right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's not bad, have you talked to the people who'll be your seniors?
 
6:12 PM
Zombles
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not yet.
I have to do the test first, and if they like my solution I'm up for a round of skype calls.
 
Xeo
@BenjaminGruenbaum tbh, I wouldn't know how to spend that much money right now. it'd pile up big time, though
 
@BartekBanachewicz You shouldn't have been such a dick then
£100/hr for career advice now
 
@BartekBanachewicz -- Consider these questions _after you get the job, interview a lot all the time.
 
True
(That'll be £100 please)
 
6:14 PM
Please send all your details and — fuck it. I don't know how to imitate 419s.
@BartekBanachewicz You can?
Oh. Hmm.
As soon as things get to 5 digits in euros I am completely lost. Evil masterminds should have a better grasp of large magnitudes of money.
 
@Xeo you buy an apartment and pay mortgage. That's what you do. You afford nice vacations abroad two times a year in a good setting, and you don't have to think about ordering what you want in a restaurant.
 
€45k isn't that much
fuck, that's only £37k!
Wait, what is a Bruto?
 
Magic numbers roundabout:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21610596/is-there-a-better-way-to-handle-incomplete-data-in-a-buffer-and-reading
 
Xeo
150% of what I currently make
@LightnessRacesinOrbit gross
 
6:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Popeye character?
 
€70K is pretty standard here for senior positions. You also get a car, €10 lunch money every day (or a lunch) and more 'nice things'.
 
@MartinJames yeah?
@BenjaminGruenbaum the UK is a little more stingy - upwards of £50k is difficult. Worse, my company is tiny. Oh well
 
Ugh, can I trade the car for something good?
 
It really depends how senior, a product manager at a menium company can make €100K no problem.
On the down side everything here is expensive.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why would you not want the car? Public transport tends to blow up.
 
6:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't that, like, a million dollars?
 
@MartinJames Unless it comes with a driver, no, thanks.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, the paychecks here are actually considered pretty decent on a world wide level.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... no.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmm, I have three dudes loudly announcing £80k in my inbox. Should I be suspicious?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whereabouts?
 
6:22 PM
London.
 
Thought so
I should have said "except in London"
 
Ah. I see.
 
Your living costs in the capital will compensate for that disparity
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like 40-50 msq in a reasonable distance from the centre or 25-30 msq near the centre
 
How does that rate for London?
 
6:22 PM
Well that would depend on the role. And I'm no London expert. Sounds reasonable though, if it's a senior software-like role.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dammit, stop finding my flaws. I have no mapping between areas and numbers.
 
I currently live in a city and work for a country-based firm. Which is stupid.
 
grawghr
so @Benjamin states I should go
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you realise Dublin is a relatively expensive place to live...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've always assumed that 1 pound == 1 million dollars. Always.
 
6:24 PM
@thecoshman it is?
 
@BartekBanachewicz In my experience, those who halt their studies very rarely end up taking them back on, especially after two years of career. So I'd say go for it but only if you're prepared for the possible outcome that you waste all the money and time you've used for Uni so far.
 
@EtiennedeMartel the days of the empire are rather past now
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's because you're descended from Frenchmen, and are therefore illiterate.
@thecoshman I do.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do you think it's possible for me to find a university in Dublin and finish my BSc there?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Fuck me, $2,900,000 a pint. I'm not going for beer tonight.
 
Ell
6:25 PM
yah london is pricey
 
@EtiennedeMartel It may also be because you've read too much about Zimbabwe.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and we will have to have a meet up
 
if they take my ~120ECTS points they should let me skip one year
 
@BartekBanachewicz You could look for a transfer. ERASMUS might help you with that. Generally it'd be considered quite a rare thing to do.
 
and I can get a BSc in Ireland in 3(-1 = 2) years?
 
6:26 PM
@thecoshman Wait, what? Bartek's going to Dublin not me
@BartekBanachewicz Assuming you pass.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Said differently, every time I see something in pounds, I just think "It's too damn expensive, fuck this".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh... how did I end up thinking you were :S
 
@EtiennedeMartel How strange.
@thecoshman Wishful thinking
 
user1804599
@thecoshman have you ever submitted something to CPAN?
 
Hmm, I should leave. @Bartek Well, I would take it. In fact I actually did something like that, for a lower salary, a year and a half ago, so I don't have to imagine too much to put myself in your shoes :P
 
6:27 PM
19 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Please don't go to Dublin. You'll be unbearably close
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dude, you haven't passed the interview yet. You also haven't interviewed a lot so you (at least I in your position) can't get a good estimation if you'll or not and I'm not sure if you can evaluate the workplace.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Everybody likes da pound.
 
@thecoshman I think you misinterpreted this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK.
 
6:27 PM
@DeadMG Dogs doan' like da pound.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Gah, I am awesome, how could I not pass. :D
I just want to think about my options
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz cept he has no intention to go back and study :D
 
@rightfold nope, and don't much like looking for shit on there. Whilst there are is plenty of stuff, it's a horrible site.
 
user1804599
metacpan isn’t that bad.
 
@BartekBanachewicz interview a lot. When I say a lot I mean a lot. That's the only way you can get an estimate of how much you're worth. Interview even if you have no plan to take a job (heck, be honest - tell them you think you won't take the job but you're not ruling it out)
 
6:28 PM
well
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah, presumably so :P
 
I only got one more year left of study if I choose to resume my studies.
 
user1804599
I wonder how long it takes for a module to appear in CPAN after uploading it to PAUSE.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's the #1 'business' mistake people in the software industry make (not estimating their own value correctly, and not looking for leads).
 
6:29 PM
@StackedCrooked :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it looks so happy
 
Oh, it's a seashell okay. Thought it was ironic discarded onion skin
 
@Xeo hm right
@BenjaminGruenbaum heh, Lounge is the best interview you can get
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Looked like bacon to me.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Lounge interviews do not result in university admissions
 
Xeo
6:30 PM
@MartinJames doesn't everything?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit seems I must for once agree with you :S
 
@MartinJames You have... strange shaped bacon!
@thecoshman \o/
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Value offcuts.
 
image-editing-fu in under two minutes
 
6:31 PM
@thecoshman lol
 
so @MartinJames isn't making £80k per annum, we've established that
@StackedCrooked slow
@StackedCrooked also I think you mean "fu" but okay
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit thanks, you saved me from eternal embarrasment
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :{
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's advice I wish I'd known sooner. You really want to interview a lot. You're already doing the other important stuff (keeping updated on technology, being genuinely interested in building things, clever enough). The other career advice I can give you is be more involved with open source projects but building things for Haste seems to be exactly that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can't afford Berlin trips etc. if I piss money away, (discounting beer here).
 
6:33 PM
definitely the more I read about llvm the more I think it's awesome
 
@MartinJames Did you predict something?
(even though I'm probably wrong)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yep. I can't lose on doing that test and talking with those people.
 
We already established that Martin only has 1296 pounds.
 
@DeadMG do you do have FFI in Wide?
 
I like the workflow for cropping an image in Preview.app: select desired area, copy to clipboard, press Command-N to create new image from clipboard, save file.
 
6:34 PM
Trolls: not your friends
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yes
 
Don't try to hug trolls
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd like to see more commits
 
(Written out in full for effect)
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix C and C++
 
6:34 PM
You'll end up with -6/36 HP
 
@StackedCrooked innit
@MartinJames :(
 
@jalf is confused by by ability to give him a four word address, my response "I have a unique name in an equally uniquely name company in a uniquely name town in a inquel named country."
 
You should hack robot's email account and steal his identity
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you ma bro
 
¬_¬ we shall ignore the typos
 
6:35 PM
I doubt I could login to my email account drunk
 
*** Coshman, *****, Athlone?
 
That's cool, I'm reading the Scheme compiler I found and it seems to be based on a different version of LLVM with "int" now it's only i* and there seems to be a change with "%" to "@"
 
Sometimes it annoys me how hard I made it for my own self to login.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet I could login to your email account drunk
 
I guess I have to rewrite a lot of things but it's cool
 
6:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a good thing probably
 
@Jefffrey Vlad ith in full flow today:)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my name, my company, my town, my country. well, ok, four words if you drop my first name :S
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum more commits of what? :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz, @BenjaminGruenbaum fwiw, where I work, OSS contributions (or an active github account) has previously counted for a lot when hiring, as has just being active on SO or blogging.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes requires a VPN or something?
 
6:36 PM
@StackedCrooked Dude, Sankarea is disturbing... :)
 
> that is object of type D is created in stack provided that this code is in some function.
 
Coshman, ****, Athlone, Ireland
not even a postcode, you inconsiderate bastard!
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth It's awesome!
 
@BartekBanachewicz code.
 
hmm
 
6:37 PM
Addresses in Ireland are magical
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but where what code lol.
 
Xeo
sad thing is, the manga is monthly :<
 
@thecoshman mind blown :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz to haste.
 
@Xeo The first scene, Rea's father taking the pictures, oh god... unsettling :)
 
6:37 PM
I'm concerned about my lack of public code projects when it comes to future hiring opportunities.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit bar Dublin, postcodes are only used to shut up STUPID sites that demand some number of zeros.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I didn't find it so disturbing. It thought it was funny. And I love the op.
 
The fact is, when I finish work, I go and do fun things with people rather than more coding. I wish this could be considered a plus.
 
@DeadMG may I ask why it's called Wide?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm concerned about my lack of motivation :S
 
6:38 PM
I do both!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No thankth. I'd have to get on the wrong trainth and thtart uthing dithplaced fonth.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix It's named after your mum's bum
 
@jalf when we hired two people last month one of the things I looked at after the interviews was online presence. We also actively look on GitHub (and somewhat but to a lesser extent) SO for employees.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what I wrote was too bad to pullrequest :/ I've sent it in an email to Anton, I'd like to know his opinion on it. It will probably require me to modify actual Haste source, not just the JS lib.
 
@thecoshman can you give me yours anyway. I figure when sending internationally they might prefer something that at least looks like an address ;)
 
6:38 PM
@ScarletAmaranth There is an OVA for episode 14. It is a real continuation of the story. I wish they released a new season.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes god damn it how many times XD
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Don't remember.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nah it would be Wider then
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum btw
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I remember it starting as WideC
 
6:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz so do that, make a PR and fail. That's ok. It's ok to make a PR that gets rejected it's still a lot more useful than not making one.
 
yes
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yikes
 
@StackedCrooked I've just seen one episode so far.
 
@jalf no seriously, we don't have postcodes. You could ad 'co. Westmeath' into the mix, but that really is redundant.
 
@ScarletAmaranth The first ep is probably the most disturbing ...Because after that habituation kicks in! (jk)
 
6:39 PM
@thecosh people have been telling me that all my life and I've always opposed it. You won't change that.
 
Well, ok, Dublin have postcodes
 
If you're going to release it you're not worried that it will be hard to find?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum When I was hired, my blog was a big factor. With one of the last guys we hired, he'd previously committed stuff to the linux kernel, which we also took as a major stamp of approval
(he didn't have a degree, btw, so started off at a significant disadvantage)
 
Yes definitely. Blogs also count.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0 what, seriously, no postcode. I couldn't tell you mine if I wanted, there is not one to tell you
 
6:40 PM
One of the two people we hired doesn't have a degree. To be fair I couldn't care less.
 
@thecoshman TH3 C05HM4N
 
heh actually I didn't tell you the name of the company I'd work for
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I guess I'd be more worried about people with a degree
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix aha, mental scars and shit.
 
Get two, like me.
 
SAM
6:41 PM
I have written a little css to make the chat look dark :)
 
> Sigmund comes into view.
 
I'm going full TDD on their test
 
Not only that but there is a big difference between someone who studied 4+ years and got a diplome than a guy that spent 4+ years to get shit done on his own
 
People without a degree have an absolute zero chance of getting some jobs...
 
6:42 PM
@SAM ergh, get some res
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix /or was working part-time
@thecoshman looks like 16:9
 
agreed an I know how terrible I am at studying
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix they teach important stuff in the university. They just don't teach a lot of other important stuff and they stuff they do teach people learn. Usually the people I see people that don't have a degree have a lot less theoretical knowledge and approach problems that require that knowledge worse. (Just like people with a degree having almost zero practical knowledge to begin with and less as they go)
 
Yeah, get some res, dude :P
 
Shit, when did I become captain obvious.
 
6:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes and now I have Napolean Dynamite in my head
 
@MartinJames name one.
 
@Ben Lots of awkward sentences there.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The only stuff my university taught that was even remotely important was algorithmic complexity, and even then most of it wasn't terribly useful.
 
@thecoshman this @SAM business is terrible.
 
ITT people go to bad unis and can't admit they made a bad choice
 
6:45 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think my 'no degree' 'absolute zero' joke failed miserably.
 
@thecoshman It was top 10 in the country.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree but theoritical knowledge doesn't always makes things better. I'm currently mostly building a list of books I want to read in the future
 
@SAM omg
@thecoshman just kids being know-it-alls
 
Ok, that was a terrible joke.
 
@DeadMG based on what?
 
6:45 PM
@DeadMG flow networks? Networking algorithms? Graphs and graph algorithms? How encryption works mathematically? There are lots of things that you have to work a lot harder to learn on your own.
 
times university report, if I recall correctly
@BenjaminGruenbaum Didn't cover pretty much any of those.
 
SAM
@thecoshman How about this?
 
the only thing on that list we did was graphs/graph algorithms, and it was a very simple BFS/DFS-style stuff.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix if you haven't - The Algorithm Cookbook followed by Corman's Introduction to Algorithms are a good start.
 
@DeadMG which is what? suits thinking it's great that 90% of people passed, ignoring the fact the course teaches you wank all?
 
SAM
6:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :)
 
@SAM Blue > Red
 
@DeadMG what degree is that?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm interested in theory of automata and some stats book, not so much about algorithms
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It was CS.
 
Ultraviolet > Blue
 
6:47 PM
may be some books on cryptography later
 
@thecoshman Nah, it was an aggregate of several factors like how often graduates got jobs, how satisfied they rated it as, etc.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Sipser is the de-facto standard introductory book for computability. It's well written and contains lots of exercises.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes humans can't see that though.
 
@DeadMG wat
 
Twas a Paranoia joke
A lame one, but one still.
 
6:48 PM
Not wavelength.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum @DeadMG's uni sounds pretty much as terrible as mine
 
@DeadMG to be fair, I can't comment too much on your failings at picking a good uni. I was just very lucky. I only chose the uni I did, because a friend did and the course sounded alright.
 
This is how you know you're going to die in the next 2 minutes
 
get a life
quick
 
hello
 
6:49 PM
@thecoshman Well, none of the universities I went to covered for example CS vs SE at all in any of their material. And I interviewed at Oxford.
 
lol Jellybane
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "Implementation of Programming Languages": build an LR state table by hand in exam.
 
Speaking of blowguns and death.
 
@DeadMG I looked at two.
 
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6:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you can argue about the merits of a degree at one place or another - but you can't finish a CS degree and not understand certain things. If you never learned about graphs your university failed. If you don't know what a DFA is your university failed. If you don't understand what a Jordan normal form of a matrix is or at least know what matrix multiplication is - your university failed. If you don't understand calculus - your university has failed.
 
The hell is this data type.
 
:DD
 
BTW, do "compilation" testcases make sense?
 
@Griwes someone doesn't like classes.
 
SAM
 
6:51 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum +1 ;0
 
SAM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok... blue for you...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum tl;dr your university has failed.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, I know those alright. Still, it is kinda terrible
 
@SAM IIRC it was me (maybe him too)
 
@DeadMG we actually didn't have any compiler courses. We did implement several languages in nand2tetris but we had no course that goes through the dragon/wizard book.
 
SAM
6:51 PM
@thecoshman oops! sorry
 
too much blue
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Neither do we, but it's my current understanding that the dragon book is worthless anyway. It was the most theoretical and least useful understanding of parsing/lexing you could imagine and that was it.
 
@Griwes I don't think any of the 4 big universities here would fail that bad. They fail at other stuff.
 
not enough blue
 
SAM
@thecoshman whut?
 
6:52 PM
@DeadMG I humbly disagree. It doesn't cover a lot of important things but I found it quite a nice read.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I haven't actually read it, mind you. But from what I've heard about it, it's useless.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I fail to imagine an university course that goes though the dragon book.
 
@DeadMG It's an introduction .
 
Use it? Yes. Go through? lol.
 
@SAM make the blue things a (one of 50) shade of grey and the orange things blue... and make a blue version of the SO logo
 
6:53 PM
nobody should really need more than a parser generator's documentation to make a grammar and parser for their language.
 
@Griwes we have courses like Software Engineering that teach about agile and scrum and are devoid of any real content. Surely we can have a compiler course :(
 
@DeadMG Nobody should really need more than spirit docs and @sehe 's answers to make a grammar and parser for their language. :D
 
The annoying bit is I'm really interested in learning more about compilers but we don't have courses that cover the statistical algorithms involved in JIT optimizations, or anything that covers anything related. That's a shame.
 
On my last semester I had a course about hmmm I don't know...
 
SAM
@thecoshman hmmm... sounds cool. That will take some more time though...
 
6:54 PM
@Griwes I haven't actually found any parser generators to be especially useful.
 
I also had a course on "Advanced Object Oriented Analysts and Design" - anyone want to guess how that went -_-'
 
they all generate crap code with a crap interface.
 
@SAM FYI I have no intention of using it
 
or are horribly limited like LL generators.
 
Would rsync -az be any faster than cp -r for copying a large directory of media files?
 
6:54 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum did you learn patterns?
 
I think rsync -a is better because a/v is already highly compressed.
 
SAM
@thecoshman But I have.. and would like to try different things..
 
And rsync can be resumed in case of interruption.
 
@StackedCrooked is a fairly good reason to use it.
 
@DeadMG you're talking about Lex/Flex and the like?
 
6:56 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yes, the teacher got them all wrong and I had to explain them to her in person after class. She'd teach a pattern and then I'd explain why it's wrong and she'd give the papers I gave to her as reading as homework. It was a complete waste of my time.
 
@StackedCrooked can cp compres? I am (fairly) sure rsync can
 
'cp -r' is quicker to type.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix not to mention if you talk to the people who attended the course they don't know anything better than they knew before at all. It flew right threw them because it was all presented in a theoretical nonsensical way.
 
Flex yo lex
 
it remind me my OS course and my teacher asked me to rewrite my code (with threads) because I didn't use locks (as I had no need for them).
 
6:57 PM
when we've hired (and when I've been involved in the process), it's basically been a matter of "so far I spent 5 minutes looking over your CV. What have you done that makes you stand out?" Did you contribute to a big OSS project? Do you have a programming blog? What's on your Github account? Or yes, do you have a degree? There has to be something to justify spending more time on you, some way in which you stand out.
 
Ell
I forgot if gcc does coloured errors or not
 
Having a blog is standing out?
I thought it was the opposite :v
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yes
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix the "final project" was to take a 100 LoC implementation of '4 in a row' and make it 'scalable' and 'Object Oriented' in Java. I don't think I've spent that much time cursing a language for not having first order functions in my life. She wanted a flyweight and a Disc class for the 4 in a row discs (that are really either 0s or 1s).
 
So if you don't have a degree, I'd say your biggest danger is the initial culling pass, when the guy reading your application is just trying to get the pile of applications down to a manageable size. Once you get past that stage, they've decided to invest time in finding out more, and then they can find out whether you're actually any good
 
6:58 PM
It was a lesson in "why 90s software design failed".
 
@jalf I always stand out - I'm taller than anyone who has ever interviewed me:)
 
@CatPlusPlus if it's about programming, sure.
@MartinJames Doesn't count unless you put your height on your CV or cover letter ;)
 
@jalf Even just the recruiters
 
My time in college was pretty fun though no real deep theory but our final project was creating a hockey game simulator in SQL with PL-SQL. It was pretty cool
 
@jalf Which is why I've definitely decided that firstly, I will emphasise CRIPPLING STOMACH PAIN when discussing it in future, and secondly, I will consider returning for my final year at some other university.
 
6:59 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Nooooooo!
 
Standing out once you're at the interview is much easier, and less dependent on gimmicks like "oh, and I got a patch accepted into the Linux kernel", or "I wrote a Unicode library", or "I have a degree". At the interview you can simply show that "whether or not I stand out, I actually know my stuff"
 
@jalf updating my CV right now. Wait. I'm not particularly tall.
 

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