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@ScarletAmaranth I was looking for you know what right at the end there. PLEASE let us have it, Mentalist!
My theory about RJ could still be right...
nope, I think RJ has bitten the dust
these are just... aftershocks :)
surely there are still corrupt folks in FBI, CBI and other BIs
as Bruno Heller said that the person who died was RJ
> The compromise was a key length of 64 bit – where the ten last bits were set to zero.
I don't think he would flat out lie
@ScarletAmaranth I do
13:03
@LightnessRacesinOrbit also, I am not sure what you mean by i know what, a clue to RJ being alive? (very unlikely)
best twist ever: make it entirely immersive
(see: Iron Man 3 promotional material)
@ScarletAmaranth ":)"
I think it's just a lackey o' RJ, he'as had plenty in FBI
that'll disappoint me
Heller also stopped naming the episodes "Red <X>" and said that RJ did indeed die
@ScarletAmaranth see above
ALL signs point to Bruno telling the truth. To me that means he's lying
Jane did say last night that he was gonna paint the town red
13:05
he can't be lying, that would actually be kinda anti climactic
paint the town red? when did jane say it o_O?
RJ faking his death ahead of a big retributional coda? anti-climactic? no!
@ScarletAmaranth just before Lisbon announced she had a date, IIRC
mmm, it would be kinda cool except for it would be very shit from Bruno
he literally said that RJ was indeed killed there
oh no a TV producer lied to me
to lead me into a plot twist
urg why didn't i have that yesterday
Did you not hear Seth Farlane mocking everyone for caring that Brian was dead? A few weeks before saying "that'll teach you to take people for granted. Duh, I'd never kill him off. Now fuck off and have a nice Christmas with your family"
13:08
meh, I am very skeptical... I think it's one of his followers doing that
that would be anticlimatic. Six years and the series ends with the hunt for a mere follower?
sure, it's just aftermath
meh
Jane's too happy
break him down
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@BartekBanachewicz dat lack of design.
@rightfold it looks ok
13:10
@rightfold what design?
@BartekBanachewicz It looks okay if you're blind
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@ScarletAmaranth You're not listening to me. I never denied what Bruno said.
I am listening to you, it just wouldn't make one bit of sense
:D
I don't understand why you're taking his words to the media and fans, midway through the last season, as 100% gospel
it would be the biggest plot twist in the history
it's 100% gospel because it's his serie :)
13:11
yes totally people inspecting bits in floats dig design
I guess where you live everybody always tells the truth, then, @ScarletAmaranth
And I guess you never watched Iron Man 3 trailers before seeing the movie
yes, we are simple folks, here in Slovakia! :)
Misdirection is the key to good entertainment
I even gave a recent example of where this has happened before. Saying he must be telling the truth 100% because he knows the truth is a logical leap I'm not prepared to make
alright, we shall see the plot unfold, my money is on a follower
at least we finally disagree on something
13:14
well, the creepiest thing was the inability to identify just how hot the drug lord chick was
omg
@rightfold vomit is a design
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Q: Convert c++ vector to c-style pointer

tenosvector<vector<double> >a(3,vector<double>(4)); double *p = a[0]; Why this is wrong, a[0] is not the address of the first dimension of a?

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LOL
what the...
AAAND VLAD ANSWERS!
YES!
@ScarletAmaranth IMO, bad answer
to a bad question
13:28
why do I enjoy reading these? interesting little tidbits
@ScarletAmaranth GET IN!
@ScarletAmaranth I knew immediately who was responsible last night. Right from the security camera footage before we even met her. Because she's been a guest star in so many shows I watch she had to be important -.-
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol... her appearance is still bugging me... I usually find only women with darker hair (and eyes) hot, but she' kinda interesting : - /
that's worse than get out ...
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@StackedCrooked Always a bit of a shame to load the route-splitting decision and reject the route one just did, I find
(vlad answered the question I linked a moment ago)
13:29
@thecoshman a "question"? where?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit see the convert c++ vector question I linked
A baddest post (tm)
@StackedCrooked mmm, the latest HxH episode kinda good
@LightnessRacesinOrbit back to bed with you.
just got 3rd Yearling badge on Meta; oh, the shame...
@ScarletAmaranth No, read it again. Where is the question?
13:32
@CatPlusPlus such a creepy frog o_o
@LightnessRacesinOrbit aah, right ^^
Can I move a branch’s name to another changeset in git, given that the current changeset also has another branch name associated (so I won’t leave any changes orphaned)?
@KonradRudolph whoa, hello
this tenos guy (doesn't really know what he's talking about, but thinks he does](stackoverflow.com/q/20374983/560648)
> The code "new int[5][6]" is not a valid c++ grammar.
@KonradRudolph No, I won't allow it.
I have A <- B <- C <- D (master, foo) <- E and I want to make B master
13:36
@KonradRudolph AFAIK you can not just magically make a different commit 'master'.
I am sure there are ways to get that same end result though
git reset B
while in master
git’s command names are just über confusing
thanks
13:36
reset does exactly this.
Move the current head.
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you just read the entire man page or something?
Just need to read the synopsis, I'd guess.
> WebSocket is a protocol providing full-duplex communications channels over a single TCP connection.
damn, I should have --hard reset’ed it
well nothing a checkout can’t fix
that's what she said
13:38
@TonyTheLion ergh... where?
git reset --hard
no target
wouldn't full duplex be more of a property of TCP than of a high level protocol like WebSocket?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks.
Does coliru have GCC 4.1.1 on it?
@R.MartinhoFernandes wasn't sure if typo or pub
13:38
@thecoshman source
AFAIK --har works too :(
@ScarletAmaranth You are watching that series?
@TonyTheLion huh... not sure. It might be part of the WebSocket protocol that it provides full-d
the article talks about HTTP not being full duplex. What the hell does that even mean? HTTP is not aware of sessions, is it?
... so you can give it to her...
13:39
@ScarletAmaranth The last scene of the last episode was so intense.
@StackedCrooked yeah, but I think I told you already o_O
@StackedCrooked No he's just fucking guessing at how good the latest episode was
@TonyTheLion well, I think it is getting at that HTTP is request/response.
Oh um, looks like friends declared in a partial specialization matter as well for the primary template. It would make some sense, but it still looks stupid.
@thecoshman hmmm
@StackedCrooked I like the faster than sound shenanigans
The stress before the big operation.
@TonyTheLion Websockets is ~more or less~ just about letting the server actively send to the client, and not just respond.
@LucDanton wait what? srsly?
13:41
I.e. for friends of the form template<typename T> friend foo(bar<T>); that is.
@thecoshman ah I see.
I decided to use C++ for my new web front-end and, now seeking libraries to implement reliable form handling and cookies, I miss PHP with its built-in all of that plus session handling.
e.g. telephone is full duplex
It irritates me I have to deal with this crap
@TonyTheLion ... as I understand it any way...
13:42
@ScarletAmaranth Now that I think about it, aren’t they always declared in the enclosing namespace?
> I miss PHP
^ WHY WHY WHY
@LightnessRacesinOrbit first mistake, using C++ :P
Second mistake: Missing PHP
Use Python
@TonyTheLion clearly it has been long enough to forget :P
> Pawnguy7 created repository Pawnguy7.github.io 13 hours ago
13:43
quickly star LRIO saying he misses PHP
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why on earth would you use C++ for web frontend
@CatPlusPlus that's part of the lol, shush
I'd rather use PHP than C++ for web too
@CatPlusPlus Cos I can compile it and do C++ with it innit
FastCGI looks pretty good actually
13:44
@CatPlusPlus performance obviously
@LucDanton I am rather confused right now, I have always been under the impression that a specialization is basically entirely separate from the "primary thing"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what a great reason
@CatPlusPlus Actually it's mostly so I can share data models with the back-end
plus job security
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Eh, SCGI/uWSGI is better
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Take a look at ICE vOv
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did a wee bit of looking at such things recently, what's the other thing ah, thanks @cat SCGI
@BartekBanachewicz link plz
@BartekBanachewicz When I read "ICE" I run for the hills
@LightnessRacesinOrbit should have done it in APL, the only other guy in the world able to then manage the code would be rightfold, who is, luckily for you, in... Netherlands? or wherever the hell he is :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd rather put IPC on the backend and make frontend in whatever :v
13:45
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really?
@ScarletAmaranth Yup. The friends being in the enclosing namespace results in the mismatch. Dunno how it works for friends that can only be found via ADL, I assume they don’t exhibit the behaviour.
Securing a job that you just made horrible is not a great idea though.
ahahahaha ICE
@thecoshman there
I honestly think it's not bad
I mean, it doesn't support Haskell so GTFO, but otherwise...
Yeah but then again you say the same about Intel GPUs
13:46
I actually wrote some code with it, and it was pleasant
@CatPlusPlus plonk
Victory
Flawless
@BartekBanachewicz plonk
@LucDanton whenever I think I am kinda good at C++, I come to lounge...
13:47
yeah let's plonk each other and go to sleep
itt chat turns into that phone game
TIL volatile stuff needs to be manipulated with methods marked volatile, who knew
Can't sleep at work
actually I can.
Crappy work
@CatPlusPlus which game?
13:47
@CatPlusPlus where call a phone booth and snipe who ever randomly answers?
I don't understand the "Possible Implementation" of offsetoff:
#define offsetof(type,member) ((std::size_t) &(((type*)0)->member))
Oh, offset relative to zero.
I see it now.
SPDY (pronounced speedy) Implementations of SPDY exist in Chromium, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Amazon Silk, and Internet Explorer. SPDY is similar to HTTP, with particular goals of reducing web page load latency and improving web security. SPDY achieves reduced latency through compression, multiplexing, and prioritization. The name "SPDY" is a trademark of Google, and is not an acronym. Design The goal of SPDY is to reduce web page load time. This is achieved by prioritizing and multiplexing the transfer of web page subresources so that only one connection per client is required. TLS encryp...
TIL
13:49
> If type is not a standard-layout type, the behavior is undefined.
tuk tuk tuk
@BartekBanachewicz No that macro is always UB, null dereference
@TonyTheLion chrome has been using it for quite a while for google family websites
13:50
@StackedCrooked It's not really "possible", though.
@TonyTheLion fail
@BartekBanachewicz I had never heard of it
Compilers implement it with a builtin nowadays.
SPDY is experimental
13:50
HTTP 2.0 is sorta based on it
yeah, but proposed for new HTTP
oh that reminds me
> SPDY does not replace HTTP; it modifies the way HTTP requests and responses are sent over the wire.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is it not possible?
I should remove webstorm and get my xubuntu vm running
13:52
Fuck, I have a tuple-like where you can access bits of it via get<I>(t) as usual, but to prevent accidental copies instead of the element itself you get a holder/wrapper thingy. Long story short, what do I name the type of these? Bits? Fragments? Slots?
but I just want to sleep
@BartekBanachewicz xubuntu? (as in why that one)
@StackedCrooked Because it's UB to dereference a null pointer.
@thecoshman it runs nicer than ubuntu in vbox
@R.MartinhoFernandes StackedCrooked will first wrap it in a reference, only then will he try to dereference the null ptr
13:53
read that as "I'm too lazy to install xfce on ubuntu manually"
@BartekBanachewicz AFAIK lubuntu is even less resource intensive
(@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't suppose you do remember that question, oh well :P)
@BartekBanachewicz AFAIK, you are better to go for the 'design for it' distribution.
No, it's the same thing
It just installs different packages by default
13:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I could be made defined behavior with declval() I think.
I know, I’ll pick the non-committal ‘item’. At least it beats ‘entity’.
@thecoshman i had no problems with the regular installation
@StackedCrooked declval cannot be ODR-used. It has no definition.
13:55
@CatPlusPlus yes, ubuntu has different priorities when choosing packages compared to lubuntu
@R.MartinhoFernandes ODOR-used?
@BartekBanachewicz vOv what ever suits you.
C++ odors
@CatPlusPlus ^^
I really don't know why you'd run a full DE in a VM though
13:55
because I use it like a normal OS?
wow, I completely destroyed my revision graph
not exactly sure how that happened … tons of doubly applied changesets
@R.MartinhoFernandes reminds me of someone
What did you do?
13:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe wrapped in decltype which returns array<char, N> of compile-time calculated length, somehow
Ah well.
@StackedCrooked You only need to elaborate on the somehow now.
offsetof is a fundamental primitive.
You cannot implement it in the language.
@KonradRudolph Did you interrupt a rebase or what
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought so too but actually why not? Just allocate a local instance of the object and calculate the difference between its base and member address
@CatPlusPlus No, I didn’t interrupt anything. I may have performed redundant rebases though
offsetof with potential side effects
Nice
@KonradRudolph How do you allocate such an instance?
@CatPlusPlus sounds C++ alright
I’m not saying it’s a practical implementation
13:58
It's not feasible.
hahahah, offsetof with sideffects sounds jolly
@BartekBanachewicz sounds phd alright
You cannot create instances of arbitrary types.
@thecoshman save that for when he gets here
anyway, now he's not there, my suggestion for him to switch to some other language was honest vOv
struct StandardLayout8 {
public:
    StandardLayout8(int x) : x(x) {} // user-provided ctors are ok
// ok to have non-static data members and other members with different access
private:
    int x;
};
13:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes #define offsetoff(t, m) offsetoff_impl<t>(t::*m) … and then, inside the function, allocate a local instance.
@R.MartinhoFernandes use 42 when in doubt
Still only works for a default-constructible subset
@BartekBanachewicz as why mine to just make a game. but he 'listens'.
@KonradRudolph How do you know how to create an instance of an arbitrary type?
@R.MartinhoFernandes right, right
14:00
You can do some pretty silly thing Boost.ConceptCheck-style.
And you’re probably not allowed to dereference a member on (sufficient, but) uninitialised storage, even if just for the purpose of taking its address, right?
@R.MartinhoFernandes decltype failed, but this seems to work.
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stdlib is allowed to or something
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about using malloc(sizeof(T)) instead of a nullptr?
@StackedCrooked Now try for StandardLayout8 above.
14:02
Oh, wait, that requires default constructor.
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I once asked about the UBness of offsetof
@BartekBanachewicz Still UB, ctor didn't run
Well, I'm not sure anymore
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stdlib is allowed to cheat, so whatever
14:03
But then what happens when it runs out of memory
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If they know it's not UB on their platform(s)
offsetof that throws? :v
Compilers just use __builtin_offsetof.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes msvc doesn't
I stand by my assertion :P
MSVC is a jokepiler.
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14:05
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Q: Does the 'offsetof' macro from <stddef.h> invoke undefined behaviour?

XeoExample from MSVC's implementation: #define offsetof(s,m) \ (size_t)&reinterpret_cast<const volatile char&>((((s *)0)->m)) // ^^^^^^^^^^^ As can be seen, it dereferences a null pointer, which normally invokes undefined behaviour. Is this an...

(VS2013 is so horrible)
@KonradRudolph Now I’m wondering about standard-layout + common prefix, although just for the sake of it. If you have a common prefix, well.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that topic kinda went silent lately
and right now I can't even agree because I'm using the Web part only, which is good (IMHO)
@Xeo Still, if you consider #define offsetof(type,member) ((std::size_t) &(((type*)0)->member)) a "possible" implementation because you might have a compiler that does the right thing, then you must also consider #define offsetof(type,member) __blah blah blah blah a "possible" implementation for the same reasons.
And #define offsetof(type,member) __blah blah blah blah seems much cooler to me.
Internal consistency is for sane people and hypercrites.
14:11
It doesn't seem possible to calculate the offset as an integral constant expression.
And now I know how Hell++ defines offsetof.
Is it 7?
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@StackedCrooked yep, since it involves reinterpret_cast
If that was possible then I could have used decltype(sizeof(array<char, offset(...)>()))
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man, I already wanna read Haru's route. Maou's "antics" are so good to read
14:13
It's a much longer route.
Which is good :)
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Still got Shiratori to go
ice-skating-bombing first, though
don't skip Shiratori
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I'm not planning to
@LucDanton rand()
In order news Belgium bought Winamp.
14:19
@StackedCrooked What?
s/order/other/?
@StackedCrooked 'tweakers'
@wilx damn, I'm to late to fix it
@thecoshman It's a popular site for people who like to build their own computer.
@StackedCrooked doesn't change the fact it sounds sexual
@thecoshman huh? why?
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14:22
@StackedCrooked It feels like Haru will find out Maou's identity any second now - the whole time
@StackedCrooked vOv
it does though.
@thecoshman You're spending too much time with Tony.
probably :P
oooor, not enogh
Can't find a boost 1.55 PPA.
Ubuntu sucks.
s/buntu//
great, an error that ends in 'Maybe' ¬_¬
14:40
U sucks
I hate that letter too.
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Aww, poor Kanon when you don't choose her route
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha I’m back to building GCC from source.
I thought about Gentoo Prefix but
> Bootstrapping on a UNIX-like system can range from being fairly simple to just a downright disaster. Systems that typically belong to the "simple" group, are Mac OS X, FreeBSD and recent distributions of Linux not being SuSE or Ubuntu. The "disaster" systems are NetBSD, OpenBSD and Ubuntu: they are NOT supported. Somewhere in the middle is Solaris 10, with OpenIndiana being a shift towards the "simple" group.
14:46
@CatPlusPlus Putting it where? Or on what?
Ubuntu, to make it suck less
But alas
@CatPlusPlus where is this from?
Gentoo Prefix bootstrap docs duh
typedef int A[4];
return A(); // value initialization, what is the syntax when not using typedef?
@CatPlusPlus lol
14:50
@CatPlusPlus Talking about nothing, did you end up playing Risk of Rain? I’m listening to the soundtrack right now.
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The soundtrack is nice
@BartekBanachewicz "Internal compiler error" innit
@LucDanton Not yet
@CatPlusPlus IPC has nothing to do with it. I don't want to duplicate a third of the back-end codebase.
Besides, I'm fed up of scripting languages. I need something robust and solid.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, Internet Communications Engine. But Cat will rage again.
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14:51
The game is okay-ish, but the commander (first class) is way too strong - or the other classes are way too weak
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What about Haskell? Or Erlang?
Ugh that fucking term
I revoke your pedantry license forever
@Xeo Only ever played 2-man co-op or more. There’s lots of diversity.
By which I mean ‘I’m a crab of doom and destruction’.
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@LucDanton alao only played 2 player co-op
If one player dies, though, he's left behind so quickly... with almost no chance to catch up
Now that I think about it, I don’t think I’ve ever tried the harder setting.
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14:54
we played normal
@BartekBanachewicz Too esoteric. The team has C++ skills.
@Xeo Yes, it’s very unfortunate.
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the hard mode is crazy
but now my derived classes can't find their base classes -.-
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too bad the game is pretty heavy on cpu
14:55
@Xeo No love for engy then?
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especially with loads of enemies
I played most of the last level at 20fps, which slows down the game and game time (on your end only) considerably :(
when a door opened for my friend, I still had to wait 20sec
usable skills also took longer to cool down
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last boss was still fun though
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I should slap you for calling Haskell esoteric.
anyway, there's a thing about web development needing different things in a language
Btw you can marble out of the boss room during the fight and be useless.
14:58
just like everything else, really
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@LucDanton really? ew
I did him alone anyways, since my friend had a disconnect
Well some chars can still hit through the door but yeah.
@Xeo What, just the one time?
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aye

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