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Als
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19:00
@sbi: Since that Q on PSE came up, How would(rather should) an C++ programmer approach learning C++11?
sbi
sbi
@Als I was asking myself the same. I wish I had a book to learn it from.
Als
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@sbi: Exactly, my feeling
1) Grab N3290. Even if you don't like to read the standardese, it's good to have a library reference, and N3290 is the best one around.
The same way I learned C++03
2) ???
3) Profit.
19:01
@sbi What pun?
by posting bad answers on SO and getting them corrected
Don't know if you've seen it, but there are FDIS sources on github.
@RMartinhoFernandes It's supposed to be ???, not ?
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@FredOverflow The one I referred to, obviously.
Als
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@RMartinhoFernandes: I find it incredibly boring to read the standard, I have to put a lot of conscious effort to understand it
19:02
@RMartinhoFernandes "Train monkeys to joust."
@DeadMG You're supposed to wait two minutes :P
sbi
sbi
C++ standard draft LaTeX sources up at http://t.co/Tcgp1Jd
Yeah, that.
@RMartinhoFernandes At the moment, I don't have Internet at work. My productivity has sky-rocketed.
@FredOverflow Maybe you should see a doctor.
19:03
I can't code offline.
@sbi Oh, I didn't notice that, because when I hovered over your answer, only my last answer (which was totally unrelated) was highlighted.
@RMartinhoFernandes Which kind of doctor sets up an Internet connection?
I enter sleep mode when there is no network.
@FredOverflow I was talking about your excessive productivity.
That's got to be bad for your health.
@CatPlusPlus With a standard draft PDF at hand, coding without Internet is not as impossible as it might seem.
sbi
sbi
Wow, this is really bad.
19:05
@RMartinhoFernandes Kinda... it made me want to reuse the copy-and-swap idiom, which already seems a little silly to me :)
(the reusing part, not the idiom per se)
nasty
@sbi Oh, the standard is done with LaTeX? Never knew that. Expected it, but didn't know.
BTW, is TeX coded in C++? That would be a funny loop :)
sbi
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@FredOverflow C, I bet. Most successful OSS projects are in C.
I don't think there was C++ at the time.
don't think C++ existed at the time
by the way, would it surprise anyone to discover that I dislike LaTeX significantly?
19:07
Right, I think it was Pascal...
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@FredOverflow I never knew it either, BTW.
@FredOverflow #define COPY_AND_SWAP(T) T& operator=(T) { ... }
@DeadMG Not at all.
Or something.
@CatPlusPlus I tried to stay away from evil, but sometimes preprocessor fever gets me, too :)
19:07
I'm so terribly bored.
Haven't you already been bored yesterday?
@FredOverflow When I hit some language stupidness then I either use preprocessor or some external codegen. No remorse.
@CatPlusPlus How often do you hit language stupidness in C++?
Sometimes.
@FredOverflow It's the same boredom.
Even in that matter he's boring. He's always bored.
19:10
I'm by the sea, I cannot be not bored. Chair is crappy, internet connection is crappy, even the table is crappy and I barely have space for the mouse.
Well, that, and general life boredom.
sbi
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Sire some children, and you will not be bored for the next quarter of a century anymore.
@CatPlusPlus And how long have you had this boredom in total?
@sbi No thanks.
@sbi More like third of a century if they are as lazy as his boredom suggests... not sure if this makes any sense :)
@FredOverflow 19.5 years.
19:14
Does that include the 9 months in the womb?
No, but it includes 9 lives.
I bet unborns kick solely out of boredom. No TODO list in the womb, right?
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@CatPlusPlus OMG. You could easily be my son. That would be embarrassing!
Yay, family reunion in the C++ Lounge :)
Are commutativity and symmetry related?
sbi
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19:16
@FredOverflow They usually do it when their mothers rest. Often in the night, When their mothers are moving around, they usually are quiet. So far I had only seen this interpreted as them waiting until their mother has energy left for them, but boredom also seems to be a good hypothesis.
> My question is this: given that C++ '11 has been approved (although I know not fully implemented) does this change the way I should approach learning C++? I own C++: The Complete Reference By Herb Schildt
ouch
@FredOverflow No Internet connection.
sbi
sbi
@FredOverflow Of course. They're both Latin words.
@sbi How about conceptually?
They're also both English words.
19:17
Yeah I know, that's also a word ;)
Als
Als
Okay folks gotta hit the sack
Happy hours to you bye for now.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: A C++ code with pointers every 6 lines of code is cruft. And šŸ’©. [c++] [c++11]
Nobody seems to like the new room topic...
I like it.
19:31
What are the two boxes after "And "?
šŸ’©.
Okay great, what do they mean?
Also known as U+1F4A9.
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A: More information is needed in chat Flagged Posts

sbiThe room a message appears in is urgently needed. Java bashing would be offensive in the Java room, but might be fine in the C# room, so when I see a message bashing Java, knowing the room is absolutely necessary to know whether this message is offensive. However, as Anna pointed out, the room ...

sbi
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19:32
Too late, I guess.
The mikroC PRO for PIC does not provide automatic initialization for objects. Uninitialized globals and objects with static duration will take random values from memory.
shoot me in the fucking head. piece of shit compiler
@CatPlusPlus Does not display as a pile of poo in Opera or Firefox.
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@FredOverflow It does in FF if you install the right font. Now when was this conversation...
Doesn't depend on the browser, you need a font with a proper glyph. Firefox does glyph fallback, so you only need to install e.g. Symbola.
Opera, dunno.
I think I'll be just fine without a pile of poo, thank you.
19:35
Same! Let me un install JRE really quick
@kbok Try symbola, which helped me to see the pile of poo this world is: http://t.co/DnhxX69, http://t.co/3els0yQ
sbi
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@FredOverflow Install "Symbola" from here.
@kbok Damn!
1 min ago, by FredOverflow
I think I'll be just fine without a pile of poo, thank you.
I'm getting good at this.
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I don't think this should have been closed.
19:38
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Q: Is it acceptable to use lambda functions\methods in business software?

Peter SmithI've noticed posts on here demonstrating the use of delegates\lambda functions to solve the hole in the middle idea without a lot of repetition: http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/04/04/functional-c-the-hole-in-the-middle-pattern/ The problem seems to be that junior developers and others don'...

What a hilarious question :)
> The problem seems to be that junior developers and others don't necessarily understand what the function pointer\delegate\lambda function concept is, which seems to make reading (and possibly debugging) the code more difficult.
@FredOverflow I find it very sad.
I have no idea what a constructor is. Please don't use them, okay? :)
Also, I'm a bit uncertain about the nature of PI, can't we just use 3? Seems so much simpler!
Yeah, let's not use language features, because people who don't know the language won't be able to read them!... wait, what?
Also, damn crappy connection.
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that one of the key ideas of Java? Take away as many features as possible, so as to reduce the risk of some programmer not knowing a feature?
19:44
@FredOverflow Well, Java is full of stupid ideas, so I wouldn't be surprised.
@FredOverflow Some people don't use extended loops for this reason.
@kbok That's just retarded. Java's for each is sooo much easier to understand than its low level cousin!
Sure it is. But some people are just plain retarded. That's how enterprise java works.
That's how world works.*
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@FredOverflow My take on this:
> If it was for this attitude, we'd still make fire by rubbing two monochrome monitors.
19:49
@kbok Is enterprise Java that "getter/setter for every field" nonsense?
yello peoples of this chat
what have I missed?
@FredOverflow Yep, among the "Make a Factory Singleton for every object you need to construct. Ever."
@TonyTheTiger Porn.
@TonyTheTiger Cat is still bored.
@TonyTheTiger Lenna.
19:51
@CatPlusPlus oh I see... hmmm....
@FredOverflow lol
@kbok who that?
4 hours ago, by Alf P. Steinbach
user image
Why can't I find a full Lenna picture via Google? Is it considered pr0n?
And back to being a tree.
@CatPlusPlus balanced binary search tree?
19:54
Dammit, I have two background tabs loading and I already can't chat.
@CatPlusPlus What exactly are you loading in those tabs?
kittens of course
lulz
so if I understand correctly, @CatPlusPlus you've been bored all your damn life?
how boring.
Well, life is boring.
19:57
ugh
so how do you live this boring life of yours?
@FredOverflow it's from a playboy mag originally, so... ;)
sounds like the average morning :P
Rob
Rob
@FredOverflow Google Image SafeSearch?
sbi
sbi
20:03
@TonyTheTiger I'm not yello.
@sbi lol
I have minions
Rob
Rob
So do I, apparently I'm Satan for a day
Rob
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Just hit 666 rep, it's cracking me up
Enough that I bothered to post in two chats...
@sbi No videos for me till I get back home.
Rob
Rob
20:07
/cue return to productivity
Produ-what?
sbi
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@Rob Just trigger a recalc and you'll be fine again.
that's a forbidden word in this chat... productivity is.
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@CatPlusPlus Actually that's just music to a still image of the LP's cover. Should be fine.
A c++ question made it on reddit
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A: Do the parentheses after the type name make a difference with new?

Michael BurrLet's get pedantic, because there are differences that can actually affect your code's behavior. Much of the following is taken from comments made to an "Old New Thing" article (http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2006/12/14/1285437.aspx). Sometimes the memory returned by the new operator ...

>This is why I stopped doing C++ : life is too short to waste understanding compilers' "inner fillings".
Understanding users and my wife is already hard enough.
sbi
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20:10
@CatPlusPlus Would this help? :)
epic comment :)
Rob
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@sbi Why does reputation get offset and require the recalc occasionally?
@sbi It's the download that's the problem, not it being video. :P
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@CatPlusPlus <sigh/> You drive a hard bargain! Here you go.
@Rob Heavy caching, I suppose.
ok
i have been wondering about victim selection
here's what i have so far
20:12
Caching.
dogs, they attack postmen
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@AlfPSteinbach And now you found us?
kings and generals, they hire and then kill messengers
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@CatPlusPlus Sorry.
police, they're on to criminals
that's all
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20:13
@AlfPSteinbach Well, that was impressive.
Anyway, I'm off for tonight. Gonna pull an early-nighter...
See you guys!
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Q: What exactly is the difference between objects instantiated with & without parenthesis?

geteipordietryinAssuming Obj is not a special class Obj* obj = new Object; vs Obj* obj = new Object(); Whats the difference exactly?

vote to close, please
what's wrong with that question?
it seems perfectly all right
duplicate
20:15
You usually don't have to ask to close.
@CatPlusPlus Well, it was still open after 5 minutes, so...
Patience!
classes for modeling algorithms are the shiznit. specially in Qt (or boost) where you can have signals/slots
shiznit = good or bad?
20:18
gud
I don't like algorithms as classes.
Do you have a good example?
@TonyTheTiger: qt sluts
@AlfPSteinbach huh?
@TonyTheTiger cute sluts, I guess
20:19
lol
Stupid flaggers.
Flaggers gonna flag.
oh who's flagging ?
@FredOverflow do you know what a digital PID controller is?
That thing gets people banned! Please stop doing it for no reason.
20:20
there was a meta discussion about this today
Dude, where's my flag?
Capture the flagger. And then torture him!
they need to change the icon to a flag
not a thumbs down
@hexa no, what does PID stand for?
PID = Pain in the D*ck
Powerful Insult Dispenser.
this we can handle though
@FredOverflow Err.. it doesn't matter. It's what your refrigerator uses to control it's temperature
@CodeMonkey pain in the duck? Like pain in the duck typing system of C++ without Concepts?
20:22
@hexa It's not really my refrigerator in the kitchen.
@FredOverflow clusterduck...
Brainduck.
don't start that flagging crap again
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@TonyTheTiger Haha I get it, someone flagged the flag!
@FredOverflow It's not really a refrigerator I am controlling
our replies to each other just don't make any sense :D
20:23
Yo dawg, I herd you like flags, so I flag your flag, so you can something.
@hexa is this the twilight zone?
@hexa Is it a toaster? Don't we have Java for that? :)
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@CodeMonkey Could be :D
@FredOverflow Oh rofl
Also, my patented UserCSS(TM) gets rid of all the flags.
ALL of them.
Only 99ā‚¬ per seat.
wow this flag shit....
20:24
wtf
And there's a discount if you buy site license.
Rob
Rob
Keep away from my flag, I have teh railgun
Or you can just search this chat and copy the code the Cat posted.
@Rob what fps was that had the railgun?
shadow warrior?
Quaaaake.
Rob
Rob
20:25
lol Quake
oh lol
:)
Oi!
What happened to our most cleverly devised title?
It's there.
It's always there.
Well played.
I concede.
20:26
Where?
You know, that kid that had a bicycle accident.
In the bathroom.
In the bathroom?
What an absurd name.
20:28
Bad parenting.
Brusquely oblique as well.
Can someone cancel the damn flags?
Why were you named "In the bathroom" you ask?
I don't wanna get banned again!
"Because that is where you were concieved, son."
20:28
I am probably on drugs, it can't be that everyone else is
I blame ducks.
I blame Java
What was flagged anyways?
Flag ALL THE THINGS.
anybody know what goes into the creation of a PDF file?
@TonyTheTiger Some of the nonsense we've been spewing this past few minutes.
@TonyTheTiger Children's blood.
20:31
I don't know, I'm using my awesome, cheap, flag-removing solution.
Would you like a copy?
@RMartinhoFernandes yea but it was nonsense, so why flag it?
@TonyTheTiger Dark magic
Wait, there's a pattern to this.
@RMartinhoFernandes surely, but why would creating one from code one time take 2 sec and then 15mins another time
that's been confusing me
Only my messages get flagged.
20:32
@RMartinhoFernandes maybe cause you're the mouthy one around here?
Someone doesn't like robots.
C++ Y U FLAG
Rooms
Lounge<C++>
JavaScript
ASP.NET
@TonyTheTiger What?
20:33
Your almost as bad as Android
I found the culprit
@Raynos Blame Java.
Can't you see my avatar?
I don't have a mouth.
@RMartinhoFernandes huh?
@Java Y U TROLL
20:33
lulz
@Raynos Maybe you'd like to buy Cat's Flag Remover for only 99ā‚¬?
wait what?
@CatPlusPlus how much is that in US dollars?
WILL THE GUILTY ONE PLEASE STAND UP
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@CodeMonkey Less.
20:34
It has Itteh Bitteh Kitteh Committeh Seal of Approval.
@Triynko Y U FLAG
@CodeMonkey Hell knows.
@RMartinhoFernandes shit...
Jul 25 at 14:03, by Cat Plus Plus
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("chat.stackoverflow.com") {
    #flag-count { display: none !important; }
}
20:35
There. I ruined @Cat's business.
@RMartinhoFernandes COPYRIGHT INFRING- INFRIG- VIOLATION!
nothing is copyright that is posted here
remember?
Also old version.
Rob
Rob
Wow, really?
20:36
Not supported.
Rob
Rob
Someone removed the 'best comment ever' question
Jul 29 at 18:36, by Cat Plus Plus
.flag-indicator { display: none !important; }
Rob
Rob
That's been closed forever
@CatPlusPlus you're just saying that
20:36
@Rob where?
This.
Everywhere!
//
// Dear maintainer:
//
// Once you are done trying to 'optimize' this routine,
// and have realized what a terrible mistake that was,
// please increment the following counter as a warning
// to the next guy:
//
// total_hours_wasted_here = 39
//
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LOL
@TonyTheTiger Well, that's not really true, it's CC-BY-SA or some other CC. :P
Copyright sucks.
Jul 29 at 21:13, by Martinho Fernandes
Socks are underwear?
20:38
Socks are proxies.
Rob
Rob
@FredOverflow I looked that up because someone had a 3-page comment in there
Where they ranted about the PDF format
// When I wrote this, only God and I understood what I was doing
// Now, God only knows
Rob
Rob
(And @TonyTheTiger just asked)
Rob
Rob
Are you using Google's cache?
20:39
This thread is so old.
Rob
Rob
Because that question doesn't load for me
10k users can see deleted questions.
Rob
Rob
I know it was old, but it was in my favorites for a reason :(
So, let's see if this one gets flagged too.
why did these sad bastards remove the MOST EPIC FUCKING QUESTION ON SO! I am pissed now! UGH :(
bet you this above statement will get flagged...
20:41
Compiler found error in code. This is punishment
I don't care
So bold.
Mods seem to like to remove things.
Comments, posts. Remove ALL THE THINGS.
Let's apply for mods and promise to remove everything.
@sbi: You were totally right, I spotted the bug within thirty seconds when I got back from a walk.#
20:44
yep, I apply that debugging technique, when I can't find something, walk away for a while
it works magic
Unless it doesn't.
But it generally helps.
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Q: Show who flagged a message in chat

DeadMGI'd really like to see that, in chat, flagged messages should show who flagged them. Right now, and this is far from the first time, there's some bastard flagging every message by a certain user. This is incredibly annoying (not least because the flag system is very annoying, but that's another d...

NO EXCEPTIONS
i think the question that was removed was too human-like
so aims to be encyclopedia-like, getting hits from google searches
we're all human after all, aren't we? So we can ask human-like questions?
20:45
Well, @RMartinhoFernandes is a robot.
@DeadMG how could you even reliably automate this?
the r doesn't mean that anymore
Look at my avatar.
I'm not the hot chick.
@CatPlusPlus Another case of Garbage Collection gone wrong.
@FredOverflow It's a terribly buggy GC that collects reachable objects.
20:47
the thing about the robots in asimov's universe, they never thought about asking the humans. that's a bit like the mods here. possibly.
@CatPlusPlus Well, technically the question was deleted, so...
Only for you.
@namespace url(w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("chat.stackoverflow.com") {
#flag-count { display: none !important; }
}
this actually work?
Apparently, there's a newer version.
20:49
Why wouldn't it work?
I posted it too.
@CatPlusPlus is this greasemonkey or something?
No, Stylish.
human behavior spans over large register. a scotsman was arrested for sex with a lamp post, another for sex with bicycle. some may be turned on by lie ons.
@namespace url(w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("chat.stackoverflow.com") {
    #flag-count     { display: none !important; }
    .flag-indicator { display: none !important; }
}
@AlfPSteinbach I'm a tiger...
double penetration; // ouch
LOL
seen that before
someoneā„¢ should flag these messages
DON'T ENCOURAGE FLAGGING
20:55
mov si, pCard      ; captain?
Is the "mov si" part relevant to the joke?
guess not
Someone went on a rampage upvoting my questions.
@RMartinhoFernandes what's +5?
It's the rep you get for an upvote on a question.
@RMartinhoFernandes ah, I thought it was +10, my mistake

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