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Ell
7:00 PM
@Borgleader ahh right :/
 
Xeo
because it any other destructor throws, you're fucked.
 
@Xeo not neccessarily
 
Xeo
destructors just should not throw, period.
 
@Xeo but they can throw, blame the standard
 
Xeo
I wouldn't go out of my way to support throwing move ctors or dtors
 
Ell
7:00 PM
A destructor throwing just fucks everything immediately doesn't it?
As in, there is no way it can be recovered?
 
@Xeo me neither
 
Xeo
@Ell No, but there's a high chance.
1 min ago, by refp
I even implemented except_safe_array<T, N> that behaves like std::array but makes sure that all the destructors of all elements gets called even if one of them throws
 
@Ell it could be recoverable, depends on the situations, but normally one would consider it to be "fucked"
 
Xeo
Come again? :P
 
@Xeo look, that would be used IF you need to use some other code written by an asshole who has dtors that throw
I'm not saying that you should use it just because you want throwing dtors
 
Ell
7:02 PM
I never usually swear out loud, it's strange that I type it though
 
user1804599
@Xeo note that many and many1 fail if the parser you provide them succeeds on the empty string.
 
user1804599
(Purity is awesome.)
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold lol
 
@Xeo if I could remove exceptions from dtors from the standard I would, no questions asked
 
Xeo
because it counts as "consumed"?
 
user1804599
7:04 PM
@Xeo no, because it would be an infinite loop.
 
Xeo
but wait, doesn't Parsec have the "succeeded, but did not consume input" result state?
@not-rightfold Ah, true
 
user1804599
They fail as in showing you an error message that you’re doing it wrong by passing a parser that accepts the empty string.
 
Xeo
makes sense
 
user1804599
@Xeo Well, you could have such a parser.
 
user1804599
many (satisfy $ const False) succeeds with [].
 
7:09 PM
Yay, I implemented auto formatting :) Also auto completion, but screenshots of that are far from impressive.
 
user1804599
In Fred?
 
Ell
@FredOverflow looks like java control to me :o
 
@not-rightfold No, I use RSyntaxTextArea. Which comes with its own auto completion module, as I found out today, but that seems total overkill for my purposes.
 
user1804599
Use Vim.
 
7:11 PM
@Ell Unfortunately, no. If it fucked everything immediately, people would realize it, and never do such a thing. As it is, (some) people (sometimes) think they can get away with it, because they don't see the code fail. The clever ones think std::uncaught_exception is sufficient to tell them whether it's safe to thrown from a dtor, but that doesn't work either.
 
@not-rightfold This is an IDE for total beginners. I don't want them to have to learn Vim or Emacs first.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin I think I need to revisit what happens in stack unwinding, I was under the impression that when a destructor throws, the entire stack will be unwound and the program would crash
 
@Ell Well, it's the basic control structures that you have in C, C++, Java, C#, D and so on :) Define your own functions, if and while. No for loops :)
 
@FredOverflow fuck total beginners. who needs 'em?
 
@refp I need them, because I make a living teaching them?
 
Ell
7:13 PM
@FredOverflow I meant the text control itsself actually, but alsoc cool :P did you write this language?
 
@FredOverflow seems like a bad thing.. you make a living teaching beginners not to be beginners? sorry man, but sounds like a bad business plan to me.
 
Total beginners tend to be young, and I just love kids. ;-)
 
Ell
Oh wait that's karel isn't it, the turtle programme?
@MohammadAliBaydoun mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods mods
 
@refp Don't worry, there's hundreds of new beginners every year.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Teach them Vim. They will quit and I will have more opportunity for a job.
 
Ell
7:13 PM
Gah, git keeps freezing on me :/
 
@Ell Oh yeah, the control is a Java library. I implemented the language, yes. But it was quite easy thanks to Scala's parser combinators library.
 
@Ell WHERE ;_;
 
Ell
@FredOverflow Oh awesome :) good job :P
 
@Ell Karel is a robot, not a turtle.
 
Ell
Ahh okay :P
 
7:14 PM
@FredOverflow I'll probably start teaching soon. though honestly making an editor for "beginners" is not something I'd support. instead I'd make them use a good editor to begin with, or something not as good just to realize why they need to step up the learnign curve and switch to a more effective such
yes, I'm an asshole (not literally, that'd be both hilarious and disturbing).
 
Ell
@refp I already gathered that ;)
 
Make them use notepad ;_;
or the iOS Notes application
Any mobile OS Notes application really~
Or make them write their code in the dirt
 
besides blackberry's, it's actually decent
 
@refp It's just for the first three weeks. After that, they use Visual Studio and learn C++. I tried this approach last year, and it worked great. It exceeded my wildest expectations. I had total beginners who had never programmed before write 300 lines of code in their first lab.
 
@FredOverflow LOCs are no measurement of how well they are learning..
heck, my first yatzy implementation didn't use any loops or arrays
imagine writing ALL the cases for the different scoring options by hand, many LOCs.. not very nice code
but it's true what they say.. you can write anything you want by just using if/else some intrinsic types and a lot of spare time
 
Ell
7:21 PM
@refp It's a measure of how comfortable they are though
 
@Ell not sure if I agree with that either
I should add that it does sound really good though, even to me, kinda impressed to be honest. ( @FredOverflow @Ell )
 
@not-rightfold If you have unix or linux, use virtualenvwrapper, that way it dsnt matter where you keep your files or your virtualenv. I usually keep it right above my source file root
@not-rightfold Best resource for set up -> net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/python-tutorials/…
 
@refp That's perfect! In terms of TDD and KISS!
 
@not-rightfold Sorry for the late reply, I went to sleep and then woke back up again
 
@sehe I'm not even sure what those acronyms are..
 
7:25 PM
@Ell This is what it feels like to write parsers in Scala :)
 
@sehe nevermind, google told me, yes.. I guess ;-)
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Ah, thanks. :)
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun That sounds creepy as hell
 
@FredOverflow boy, you sure hate it dnt you? :P
 
@refp It is a measurement of how well the language and the IDE get our of their way.
 
Ell
7:26 PM
@FredOverflow very nice
 
@GamesBrainiac Are you kidding me? I love parser combinators :)
The void inside the parameter list must have been one of the easter eggs I put in and immediately forgot :)
 
@FredOverflow Cunning Stunt!
@FredOverflow Teach a man how to use Vim, and they'll go fishing for the rest of their lives!
(or they drown, in which case, you fed the fish!)
 
@sehe In its current form, the auto formatter deletes all comments. But since beginners don't write comments, anyway, I guess nobody will complain :)
 
Whenever I open up a source code file, where the majority of variables have too many underscores before any actual letters, I know I'm in the wrong place :P
 
7:29 PM
You're probably in the standard library.
 
@FredOverflow Yea, I know :P
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I’m writing a note-taking application in Django right now. Django is awesome.
 
@FredOverflow Beginners write heaps of comments! They continuously comment bits of code until the tools stop complaining
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@not-rightfold Yes it is. For simple things I use flask though.
 
@sehe best case of this I've ever seen was this guy who wrote char * function_description = "..."; in every function to describe what their purpose was
 
7:30 PM
@sehe Yes, I used to do that :P In fact you made shit loads of fun of the first pieces of C++ I posted here.
Good times.
 
@refp How would you access that char* from outside the function?
 
@FredOverflow he used that instead of comments, I think that answers it well enough
 
Good thinking.
 
@refp Couldn't you just write string literals without the assignment? :)
int add(int a, int b)
{
    "This functions adds the numbers a and b";
    "And returns the sum as a result";
    return a + b;
}
 
@FredOverflow couldn't you just write comments?
 
7:34 PM
@FredOverflow I'm not sure why you are asking me this? I didn't write it. I was teaching this class when I was in the equivalent of high-school and a guy did that
and maybe I should have asked him why, but instead I showed him how to write proper comments and that was the end of that
 
@sehe I don't like comments. The compiler ignores them.
;)
 
I like things the compiler ignores.. what would SFINAE be without it?
 
lol
@refp nothing
Substitution Failure Is Not Ignoring
 
@refp SFIAE
 
SFII*
(*Substitution failure is ignorance, cf. RAII: Resource acquisition is idiotic)
 
7:37 PM
SFINAEIAL
SFINAE Is A Lie
 
TLFFKASFINAE (The language feature formerly known as SFINAE)
 
I have started writing some "weird" code just because I'm a lazy fuck
 
SFINAL
(Sr. Fred Is Not A Lawyer)
 
template<int...>
struct indices { };

template<int N, int... Ns>
struct make_indices {
  using type = typename std::conditional<
    /* if   */ (N > 0),
    /* then */ make_indices<N-1, N, Ns...>,
    /* else */ std::enable_if<1, indices<N, Ns...>>
  >::type::type;
};
 
@sehe I sure ain't.
 
7:39 PM
fuck template specializations
 
@refp not my definition of lazy. you even wrote redundant comments
 
Xeo
@refp /* else */ std::common_type<indices<N, Ns...>>
 
@sehe well, I find it easier to read
 
Xeo
(it's the "proper" replacement for std::identity)
 
@Xeo I didn't think of that
good call
 
7:40 PM
@refp but it's a total failure when it comes to laziness. So, in the end you're just a fuck, then
 
@sehe sniffles
 
Xeo
Also, should be <N-1, N-1, Ns...>
 
even saves me an extra character
 
Xeo
ah wait, it's alright
 
@Xeo Isn't that going to stop being equivalent in c++1y? /cc @refp
 
7:41 PM
I looked at the chicago papers list
how depressing
 
Xeo
@sehe hm?
 
@DeadMG the papers thought so too
 
@sehe no, not as far as I (or cppreference) know. why would it change?
 
@Xeo I have a distinct flag planted in the back of my mind. I mean, I usually stay well clear of TMP like that, but I did make a mental note
@refp Gosh. So many difficult questions. Arg.
Lemme search my various info channels and backlogs
 
@sehe do it
 
7:43 PM
std::common_type<T> used to be equivalent to the commonly-used identity<T>. Soon that won't be so: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2013/n3687.html#2141 #BreakingChanges
@refp ^ There /cc @Xeo
 
@sehe I'll stick to using std::enable_if then
 
I can't remember shit. But I know when to remember what I shouldn't forget.
 
@sehe but that's weird though, it's a breaking change and the standard hates those
 
Hey. You call it "weird". I just know it as "c++"
 
@sehe no, php is "weird", c++ is "different".
 
Ell
7:45 PM
I can just imagine someone saying "hashtag breaking changes!"
 
Xeo
@sehe Fuck that change so much.
 
Well, that's weird. I never saw the paper to address the lack of PHP in C++. I mean, how can we be fully multi-paradigm if the Pile-of-sHit-Paradigm isn't included
 
@Xeo std::enable_if<true, ...> all the way!
 
@Xeo Okidoki. Consider it done
 
Xeo
@refp template<class T> struct identity{ using type = T; } all the way
 
7:47 PM
I haven't the foggiest. Don't for a second think I ever followed the link to that paper.
@Ell "#hashtag breaking bad"!
 
@sehe it's the same argument as emacs vs vim; "why would we need emacs in vim when vim is all we need?" (contra the pro-emacs argument; "we can run vim in emacs if we want to")
@Xeo not for simple test-cases where you wanna save yourself some typing
 
@refp lol. nice try bro
@Xeo +1000, that what I took away from the whole deal.
 
Xeo
@refp Even then.
 
// We know that std::move doesn't actually move, but is an rvalue cast instead.
// Sometimes, I need a function template that does an *lvalue* cast.
// In the spirit of std::move, I decided to name that function template "copy":
template<typename T>
T& copy(T&& x)
{
    return x;
}
 
I'm starting to believe that @Xeo and @sehe is the same person.
 
Xeo
7:48 PM
abusing enable_if for that is plain wrong.
 
@FredOverflow ... where the fcuk is that from?
 
my mind
 
@Xeo it sure isn't.. it's well defined
@FredOverflow your mind is spewing bullcrap
 
Why? I like consistency...
 
@FredOverflow When would that be useful
@FredOverflow You're in the wrong room
 
Xeo
7:50 PM
@sehe I found some uses for as_lvalue in the past
 
when it would be useful? it's dead wrong for crying out loud
 
To be able to call a function that takes a T& with an rvalue, for example because you simply don't care about it afterwards, I don't know.
swap(some_variable, copy(some_rvalue));
 
copy (func ()); /* T& to something that's no longer around /* BOOM */
 
You have the same problem with std::move.
 
@FredOverflow no you don't
 
7:52 PM
std::string&& r = std::move(std::string("test"));   // dangling reference
 
std::move returns a T&&, that will keep it alive
 
@FredOverflow tell me again, why would that be useful (unless, some_rvalue wasn't actually an rvalue or the move/copy semantics for that type were botched anyways?)
 
@refp No, only prvalues are kept alive, not xvalues.
 
Xeo
What Fred says
 
@sehe Suppose someone wrote a function foo(X&) but meant to write foo(const X&). Same thing as why we need const_cast, really.
 
7:54 PM
Darn. Lounge, meet labyrinth
@FredOverflow Okay. So, assuming something was botched, you might need it to fix the language's cracks again. Ok
 
I've been thinking
 
Suppose references would have been introduced before const in C++. Then my copy function would have been extremely useful. I'd be sitting in my swimming pool, slurping cocktails, and having fun with the laides.
 
that in Wide, I might want to keep temporaries around for the full scope, instead of just that expression.
 
Have you read TD&E?
 
no.
I probably ought do.
 
7:56 PM
zomg, of course you guys are correct
 
did Bjarne consider the same thing?
 
That exact issue is discussed there.
There were like four or five alternatives.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG erm, aren't temporaries alive until the end of the full expression?
 
better remove that.. people can think I'm black or something
 
@Xeo What I meant to say.
 
7:57 PM
@Xeo He meant scope as in { ... }
 
@DeadMG is the coast safe yet? can I return from my bunker?
 
It's never safe
 
quiet you
I'm always thinking
 
See
 
even if most of the time, I'm thinking "Holy shit, how is it possible for my body to reject every morsel of food I consume?".
 
8:00 PM
Do you consider it rejection if it leaves your body in any form?
 
@DeadMG woot! the Puppy realizes a bit of missing worldview might actually be an enhancement to his unfathomable knowledge
 
@Chemistpp lol
 
@FredOverflow haha, semantics matter in this case
 
Xeo
@DeadMG You don't even need to do that. Just change everything to be expressions :D
 
@Xeo Fuck that shit.
 
Xeo
8:04 PM
Nope, it's awesome.
 
> A Committee Draft for C++14 was adopted in April, so we now have a good idea of what the next revision of C++ will look like. On the language side, headliner features include significantly increased lambda and constexpr functionality, return type deduction for “normal” (i.e., non-lambda) functions, and templates for variables. (source)
What are "templates for variables"?
 
user1804599
I’m rich.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow template<class T> T foo = ...;
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I have a lot of money.
 
8:08 PM
@FredOverflow Well... it' s pretty much what it sounds like. It's a template which when instantiated gives a variable.
 
use case?
@not-rightfold how much?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow A lot.
 
@FredOverflow polymorphic constants, e.g.
 
@not-rightfold like, a hundred dollars?
 
user1804599
This tool looks cool: symbolhound.com.
 
8:11 PM
euros of course
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Times 55. :V
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow nobody knows
 
user1804599
I want template namespaces!
 
> I'm currently working on a software, making things a littel easier, it will feature listing dependencies to other papers and I do also plan to add a search somehow plus some other features. If you are/would able to back this, please contact me Jens Weller
^ That was depressingly bad wording
 
@not-rightfold You have a hundred dollars in Times font, size 55?
 
user1804599
8:13 PM
@FredOverflow :)
 
user1804599
I have '100' * 55 dollars.
 
user1804599
>>> '100' * 55
'100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100100'
 
user1804599
If only it were true.
 
@not-rightfold Wait, we now know your monthly wage is... pretty good?
 
user1804599
@sehe lol I don’t make 5.5k a month, silly.
 
8:15 PM
I could easily make 5.5kg a month if I ate more.
 
Xeo
I have... 2k right now
 
Have you experienced the 2K bug yet?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
I'm gonna buy a car once I have 20k.
 
user1804599
@sehe Our high school teacher told us to write as many comments as possible.
 
user1804599
8:20 PM
“Hoe meer commentaar, des te beter.”
 
@not-rightfold 4081.03€
 
Could someone explain this to me? If there's an "until C++11" mark on overloads 4, 5 and 6, does that mean they were removed in C++11 and overload 7 was added ("since C++11")? If 7 (the function template) now has the same type for both arguments, what do I use to raise a float or a double to an integer power like I could before with overloads 4, 5 and 6?
 
user1804599
@sehe That's a lot.
 
@Xeo I hope that's net income?
 
Xeo
@sehe On my bank account, I meant
 
8:24 PM
@not-rightfold That's not my salary, it's 5.5k USD in EUR :)
@Xeo Oh. phew.
 
Xeo
Net income is... around 1.5k
 
@Tuntuni They were restricted / replaced / removed in c++11 then
 
user1804599
@sehe Well, it's useless, since I was already talking about euros.
 
user1804599
5.5kEUR
 
@not-rightfold You never told. Also,
 
8:25 PM
@sehe What would restricted mean?
 
11 mins ago, by not-rightfold
I have '100' * 55 dollars.
 
user1804599
@sehe That was a joke, unfortunately.
 
Oh
 
@sehe oh :)
 
@Tuntuni It would mean that the old interface still exists, but doesn't get 'selected' in some cases (notably the non-backwards-compatibility breaking changes). Think SFINAE for cases where the C++03 couldn't possibly have different semantics
3 mins ago, by sehe
@not-rightfold That's not my salary, it's 5.5k USD in EUR :)
@FredOverflow That as well
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
I do nothing with my money, hence I have this many. :v
 
I'm not very good with spending money. So, basically, I save
 
@not-rightfold s/many/much
 
Xeo
@sehe Also, why "phew"?
 
user1804599
Meh, I don't want to buy a car when I have 20k.
 
user1804599
It would imply I wouldn't have 20k anymore.
 
8:28 PM
@sehe OIC.
 
user1804599
Maybe at 50k.
 
@not-rightfold You could give your money to charity. Or wchar_t ity.
 
@Xeo I was hoping you'd be earning more than 2k before tax (though I can't for the moment remember with definitive certainty whether you have a job or not. I thought so :))
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow What? Why would I do that? I could just as well give it to the CEO directly.
 
user1804599
Also, how would I benefit from that?
 
Xeo
8:29 PM
@sehe Oh, before tax? I thought that was gross income, not net income
 
@not-rightfold I don't know, it makes you feel good? :)
 
user1804599
I’m miserly. Nobody gets a cent.
 
@Xeo Yeah. I was looking for the word gross just now. I suppose 2k net would be ok. 2k gross is ... well, I'd say you'd be underpaid knowing your skills
 
hey
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow It would make me feel like an idiot; throwing away precious coins.
 
8:30 PM
@DavidFrank Hullo there
 
user1804599
@DavidFrank Hi darling. <3
 
Xeo
@sehe I got 1.9k during my trial period, but got a raise right after to 2.5k
 
....
 
I have a quick question if you guys dont mind
 
user1804599
I’m getting a raise soon.
 
8:31 PM
how do you tell the compiler to compile this?
 
user1804599
@DavidFrank press the arrow up key twice, hit control+K, hit enter.
 
@DavidFrank Forward declare B.
 
Xeo
Can you at least wait for our reply before dumping code?
 
@Xeo Mmm. Deliciously ambiguous. I guess you just informed me that I think you're being underpaid (sry?)
 
@Tuntuni I tried
 
8:32 PM
1 message moved to bin
 
@not-rightfold Someday I'm gonna go to my bank with a hundred cent coins, but instead of exchanging that for a Euro coin, I'm gonna put on my Mario costume and ask for a life :)
(And no, I don't actually have a Mario costume.)
 
@DavidFrank I think we may mind. See the newbie hints, and Stack Overflow
 
@Tuntuni the problem is, A also needs to know B's methods
 
Xeo
@sehe If you think so.
 
user1804599
@sehe s/See/Take/
 
8:33 PM
@Xeo Honestly, I think I do. But, I don't know much about you and/or your age/environment/ambition etc.
 
@FredOverflow ...and that's why they laughed at you when you auditioned for "The Big Bang Theory". :-)
 
@DavidFrank Organizing Code Files in C and C++ is a must-read.
 
@Xeo I just know how you fling templates around. Impressive.
 
@DavidFrank Shouldn't be a problem as long as you define the methods outside of the class body.
 
@FredOverflow And also one of the very few links to gamedev.net that gets any mileage in the lounge AFAICT
 
Xeo
8:34 PM
NB: I'm only in this job (my first one) for 8 months yet, so I still got much room for raises.
 
@sehe What does "gets any mileage" mean?
@Xeo What is it you do?
 
Xeo
@sehe Unfortunately, that isn't all that's needed in my job :)
 
@Xeo Yeah. I started at 1k8 back in 1998. Though I quickly renegotiated to 2k2 IIRC (that'd be after I fired my first employer in the trial period)
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Game Programmer.
 
@sehe Sturgeon's law.
 
user1804599
8:35 PM
The owner of the local supermarket drives in a Hummer.
 
@Xeo Do you develop the next AAA 3D shooter, or casual mobile games?
 
Xeo
@sehe 1.9k starting, 2.5k after 6 months
@FredOverflow ?
@FredOverflow Neither, really.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Same thing, these days.
 
AAA mobile games :)
 
@Xeo That's at least promising. I guess your doing well. Although I still haven't taken anything relevant into account (edu/age/)
 
8:36 PM
@Xeo what is it then?
 
user1804599
I want to sit on my ass all day and have robots bring me food.
 
I implemented an AAA game once. It used the AAA x86 assembly instruction somewhere to save a byte or two.
7
 
@JerryCoffin I went over, half expecting a description of a social phenomenon where groups will subtly send people away by advertising some other (inferior) community to them :)
 
Xeo
cf.panzergeneral.com/en-GB <- our latest game, in cooperation with Ubisoft / BlueByte (we did the actual development) (note: trailer sucks)
 
user1804599
8:37 PM
@Xeo cool website.
 
@Xeo Is that Flash or what?
 
Xeo
Yes
 
I have never seen any Flash code. Is it as bad as Java?
 
Xeo
Flash on the client, C++ on the server
 
If I used a en dash, are spaces around it acceptable?
 
8:38 PM
@Pawnguy7 what?
 
Xeo
@sehe Guess your salary is a good bit above those puny numbers, eh? :)
 
@sehe Nope -- just "90% of everything is crud" -- conversely, if there's enough there, some minuscule percentage of almost anything will be worthwhile.
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 Ask @KonradRudolph. :P
 
roman, swiss, modern, decorative, script or system
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow More like JavaScript, except with "static" types.
And many quirks
 
8:38 PM
Reddit and 4chan seem designed to disprove the latter idea though.
 
user1804599
But I never use them, no.
 
Xeo
Fuck Flash / AS3
 
What kind of fonts are those?
 
@Xeo Erm. Yup
 
Is any one of them close to monospace fonts?
 
8:39 PM
@not-rightfold What is he asking?
 
@JerryCoffin I noticed. Thought it'd be funny to share my imagination with you there
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow foo–bar vs foo – bar.
 
I used the latter, but my spacing (akin to the example) was brought into question.
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 Use — there, not –.
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
– there is ugly. Use it for certain combinations of words, such as in key–value pairs.
 
user1804599
Not sure what the exact rules are.
 
FINALLY manged to run VBoxHeadless as a service
Stupid thing ignores the env variable that's supposed to point to the configuration
 
@CatPlusPlus So Halloween will be a good release date for your new horror movie: "The Headless Horseman: The VBox chronicles"?
 
user1804599
For example: “Adam, at age 0–4, ate forbidden fruit—a 200-gram apple—but he thought #yolo and thus didn’t give a fuck.”
4
 
Interesting. It seems Word gives me three different variants. -, —, and one in the middle, which is apparently makes automatically (like with ..., or fractions).
 
user1804599
8:47 PM
There is -, -, – and —.
 
First two look the same to me.
 
@not-rightfold A discussion of proper punctuation that includes a hashtag. Not something I'd have ever expected to see.
 
@not-rightfold I'd say —a 200-gram apple— is missing surrounding whitespace. Mmm
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 A and Α also looks the same to me.
 
@CatPlusPlus security/privsep? (wild guess: sudo -E)
 
user1804599
8:49 PM
sudo pitchfork
 
@not-rightfold You included a duplicate? I am confused.
 
user1804599
Latin A and Greek alpha.
 
@sehe No, just Linux because Rails on Windows is FUCKING BULLSHIT.
 
user1804599
Similarly, hyphen vs. hyphen-minus.
 
 
8:52 PM
I still don't know what the A with a circle is.
 
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@sehe porkfork
 
It's a unicode glyph
 
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I WANT PORK
 
user1804599
> had mn deur op slot gedaan
> en mn sleutels zijn uit het raam gevallen
> maar er is niemand thuis
> dus ik zit vast in mijn kamer
 
user1804599
^ Friend of mine.
 
8:54 PM
@not-rightfold Vrijwillige IQ tests FTW!
 
user1804599
@sehe Hij is cum-laude geslaagd op VWO en studeert nu informatica en wiskunde aan UU. :|
 
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@not-rightfold wokay. Verstrooide professor in de dop dan :/ But seriously mn deur?
@not-rightfold Are you sure it's not just poetry?
 
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@sehe JA.
 
user1804599
He's a fool.
 
8:57 PM
@not-rightfold The kind of friend you don't particularly like, but enjoy being around because it makes you feel almost unbelievably smart?
 
user1804599
He's cool.
 
user1804599
He's the only friend I have who knows Haskell.
 
@Pawnguy7 Ⓐⓐ
 
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