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Q: There's a discrepancy between the number of starred messages reported at different places

sbiIn the C++ chat room, the number of all starred messages is currently reported in the right-hand panel as 3407. That number is a link, and if I click on it, it takes me to [an info page with a tab saying 5.9k stars. I'm sure there's an explanation for this discrepancy, but I'd like to think it'...

Someone (sorry, I forgot who) noticed this the other day, and it has been nagging me ever since. So I thought I'd post a bug report on meta.
 
Working as intended. Thanks.
 
sbi
@hexa ??
 
That is a World of Warcraft meme. Developers used to say that to a lot of bug reports :P
 
sbi
@hexa Ah. The good ol' "it's not a bug, it's a feature!"
 
@sbi status-declined by Jeff Atwood
 
sbi
1:04 PM
@CodeMonkey That would be a possible answer to a feature-request.
 
@sbi Yea probably. What cracks me up is when Jeff makes a comment/dissertation about how he disagrees with it and then one of the developers comes in months later and marks it status-completed
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Haha!
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Q: France is not within 30 miles of London

Douglas SquirrelOn StackOverflow Careers, I regularly do a search for candidates within 30 miles of London. I often get matches with candidates who have listed that they want to work in France, and expressly not listed London, England, Europe, or Earth (any of which would legitimately match the search). Please t...

Apparently, that's by design!
 
What?
(I think I need a button for posting "What?")
 
"Now you are just questioning French people's capacity to teleport. That's ridiculous" hahaha
 
sbi
1:07 PM
@MartinhoFernandes That was among the first ten questions listed when I clicked on the tag you posted.
 
> No, the best soulution is to make it clear to polticians that all country borders need to be redrawn in rectangles. – balpha♦ Apr 13 '10 at 18:33
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@MartinhoFernandes hahahaha "Don't ask yourself what our software can do for you, but what can YOU do for our software"
 
Damn, it's really by-design.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Ah, I just meant to paste that here, too. Have another star instead.
 
@sbi "by-design-of-someone-else"
 
1:14 PM
So, there are 3508 starred messages, and a total of 5.9k stars.
 
I Like @Tim Stone's answer but what mentally handicapped programmer designed that
 
It means every starred message averages around 1.73 stars.
 
@MartinhoFernandes For science!
 
@CodeMonkey !!Science!!
 
Why is science on fire?
 
1:17 PM
Why wouldn't it be?
It's not True Science™ if it's not on fire.
 
real science is always on fire
 
sbi
@Martinho, now we know that you consider @Dead a moron, but don't think @Tony's image is funny and also don't agree with @kbok scaring away the link dropper.
 
What?
Oh.
:)
 
sbi
I had prepared two images, too (which cropped that), but forgot to add them.
 
what?
 
1:19 PM
I forgot the drop shadows on the first one.
 
sbi
@DeadMG He thinks you're a moron. What's to what? about that?
@MartinhoFernandes The drop shadows? What's this?
 
the rest of it
 
@sbi The second one has drop shadows.
In computer graphics, a drop shadow is a visual effect consisting of drawing that looks like the shadow of an object, giving the impression that the object is raised above the objects behind it. The drop shadow is often used for elements of a graphical user interface such as windows or menus, and for simple text. The text label for icons on desktops in many desktop environments has a drop shadow, as this effect effectively distinguishes the text from any colored background it may be in front of. A simple way of drawing a drop shadow of a rectangular object is to draw a gray or black area...
Freehand drop shadows.
 
also, I find it emminently "what"able for anyone to consider me a moron
 
Wow, for once the oneboxed Wikipedia picture is correct.
 
sbi
1:21 PM
@MartinhoFernandes For crying out loud! Your wacky freehand lines have a drop shadow?! OMG.
 
@DeadMG He's referring to me making a mistake here:
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Q: There's a discrepancy between the number of starred messages reported at different places

sbiIn the C++ chat room, the number of all starred messages is currently reported in the right-hand panel as 3407. That number is a link, and if I click on it, it takes me to [an info page with a tab saying 5.9k stars. I'm sure there is an explanation for this discrepancy, but I'd like to think...

It shows I starred the "oh, I'm a moron" message.
 
lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG Since you started it by calling yourself a moron, it's probably not appropriate for you to begrudge others that they, for once, are agreeing with you.
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@sbi you get a +1 just for the handdrawedness of that post.
 
"for once"? I am a genius and everybody agrees with me
 
1:23 PM
@DeadMG and you said you're a moron
 
@DeadMG don't get used to it.
 
sbi
@ÓlafurWaage Actually, that was done by @Martinho. But I won't complain about the +1 anyway.
 
@sbi tomato potato
 
I don't mind.
I already earned 2 points from the edit.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Not that I'd have asked anyway.
 
1:24 PM
you get % of the rep after an edit?
 
If you don't have full edit privileges, you get 2 points when an edit of yours is approved.
 
darn, i was almost going to "edit all the things"
 
Who flagged that?
@ÓlafurWaage You can only collect up to 2000 points with this.
 
1:26 PM
also, who agreed with the flag?
 
A... flagger.
 
I did.
 
And you don't get anything if you already have full edit privileges.
@ÓlafurWaage Why?
 
funny.
 
I've been burned once with a 30-minute suspension.
 
1:27 PM
same reason I do most things.
 
it's not funny to flag people
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Now that was funny.
 
I don't want to suffer another.
 
We should have the same rules as the xkcd irc chat room had. You can only write unique sentences. If it's a duplicate, you get muted for a while.
 
This room had a 1 minute timeout once
 
1:29 PM
@sbi I was joking!
 
sbi
@hexa Of course, I was totally not joking at all!
 
ok
did the Visual Studio debugger magically die since the last time I used it?
trying to peek inside pointers to base classes and VS won't actually show the contents of the derived class in the locals window
 
Is it bleeding?
 
sbi
@ÓlafurWaage This room is so incredibly good in coming up with so many great, unique statements, except for @Tony's fixation on sex this would make very little difference.
 
@sbi Nice article tho, im going through it
 
1:32 PM
Hahaha
(muted)
 
sbi
@hexa Which article are you talking about?
 
@ÓlafurWaage Hahaha2
:P
 
@sbi C++ Renaissance
 
@MartinhoFernandes Have you been on the old xkcd irc channel?
 
1:33 PM
Don't know if it's still active, strangest things have already been said.
 
This is so stupid.
6552be04-328e-4e21-afef-4eb2165f5eee
 
Can't say Hi in the channel.
 
sbi
@hexa Ah, that one. I hadn't read it. (Honestly. I was just grabbing the first non-MS one google spit in my face, and only checked shortly that it is relevant.)
 
@ÓlafurWaage Just tack a GUID at the end.
 
@MartinhoFernandes hahaha that's brilliant!
 
1:34 PM
@sbi What you mean non-MS?
 
"Until they run out!" don't think the twitter db can store all of em.
 
@hexa Not from Microsoft's site?
 
sbi
@travis damn you!! I had my heart set on using 01187c6f-57b3-40eb-8e63-343f5797ecfc
:)
@MartinhoFernandes @hexa: Yes, that's what I meant.
 
It may not be from microsoft.com but it has MS all over it :P
 
sbi
1:36 PM
@TonyTheTiger That doesn't sound tiger-ish at all. Are you a goat underneath?
 
@sbi hahah :P
 
@sbi Turtles all the way down....
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Was that meant to be a confirmation?
 
A tigoat.
 
I like turtles.
 
sbi
1:38 PM
@hexa I know. The whole term is a buzzword cooked up by MS C++ evangelists.
 
@sbi Yeah, but that article is about a talk with the guy from MSVC++, the team lead :P
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Did you check on A'Tuin's sex?
 
@sbi You seem to have misspelled "apologists".
 
sbi
@hexa I was in a hurry.
@JerryCoffin No, I hadn't. Why?
 
@sbi It seems to be echoed a fair amount by others taking the MS party line.
 
sbi
1:40 PM
@hexa: What's the "1st and 2nd rule of C++ room?" Because if there are such rules, I feel like I ought to know about them.
 
@sbi have you ever watched the movie Fight Club?
 
If someone says to me that they're a (something) evangelist, their credibility goes way down.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I already said that. Still, if it makes others more aware of C++, I won't complain.
@ÓlafurWaage And what if someone says someone else is an evangelist?
@hexa Never have.
 
did you guys see that thing about WinRT in Windows 8?
 
@sbi Well, you should!
 
1:43 PM
@DeadMG No, what is it ?
 
basically, Microsoft are replacing the old Win32 C API with a brand spanking new C++ API
 
@sbi That's my point -- an evangelist is somebody on the inside selling a specific idea. If it's somebody defending their idea from the outside, especially if it's more or less controversial, then "apologist" would be a more accurate term.
 
@DeadMG will they drop backward compatibility?
 
@Francis Of course not. MS business is all about backward compatibility
 
I think they are
or rather, Win32 will still be provided
 
1:44 PM
No, they won't.
 
but, as far as I understand it, it will be effectively feature locked
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Ah, but when you [google for the term](google.com/#q=c%2B%2B renaissance), you will find that, basically, it's all from the inside.
 
That'd kill Win8 before it's even released.
 
@DeadMG That's not dropping backward compatibility.
 
when was official support to 16bits apps dropped? Windows XP?
 
1:45 PM
And I don't believe they'll freeze the API either.
 
@hexa it's also a great source of vulnerability
 
@hexa Not until 64bit
 
@DeadMG That's kewl
 
@hexa 64-bit versions (mostly because 64-bit mode no longer supports V86 mode).
 
See, there you go.
 
1:46 PM
C API is way easier for FFI purposes and stuff.
 
and by that, I mean, there are still win32 functions callable in 64bit windows for legacy compatibility with applications who were upgraded from 16bit
 
I'm running Windows 7 32-bit and I still have NTVDM.
 
@CatPlusPlus FFi?
 
A foreign function interface (or FFI) is a mechanism by which a program written in one programming language can call routines or make use of services written in another. The term comes from the specification for Common Lisp, which explicitly refers to the language features for inter-language calls as such; the term is also used officially by the Haskell programming language. Other languages use other terminology (the Ada programming language talks about "language bindings", while Java refers to its FFI as the Java Native Interface, or JNI). Foreign function interface has become generic t...
 
Interfacing with other languages.
 
1:47 PM
the article says that it's based on COM
which is language-independent
 
@DeadMG Still WinRT looks promising
 
The real question is
 
sbi
@DeadMG There's a disgusting fly in the ointment, though: "it will also map cleanly onto .NET concepts" That reeks of Java's and C#' idea of "pure OO". I mean, about a decade or two after OO took of, and after it already sunk making room for better paradigms, they finally make their API OO? I'm not impressed.
 
Can I retrofit WinRT in Windows XP, Vista and 7?
 
@sbi I'm not sure that it will work that way
.NET can use COM code quite directly, from memory
 
1:49 PM
@hexa Based on history, at least initially no. They may be persuaded to back-port parts of it, but only enough to be a teaser, not really useful.
 
@hexa I massively doubt XP. Vista/7, maybe, but unlikely
 
sbi
@DeadMG I massively doubt Vista. Why bother for the 342 Vista users out there?
 
@sbi Except that OO is the only paradigm you can make work over a binary interface- you can't template the kernel.
 
Yeah, these type of stuff takes a long time to be the standard.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah. I have taken OO and templates across a binary interface - with a C layer in between. That's painful.
 
1:51 PM
> DirectUI is built around a core subset of current WPF/Silverlight technology. It includes support for XAML, the XML language for laying out user interfaces, and offers the rich support for layouts that Win32 has never had.
 
honestly?
 
@sbi Given the limitations of COM, they can't really support a lot more. No visible member data (not a bit loss), no multiple inheritance, one specific style of vtable layout, etc. I suppose "based on COM" could still include its using some successor to COM though, not just the current COM technology.
 
1:52 PM
as long as it's RAII-enabled, and strongly typed, out of the box, I couldn't care that much
 
how the Silverlight technology compares to flash?
 
I don't see anything that would be of any interest to me in that, TBH.
 
So has anything read anything about this WinRT thing outside that Ars article?
 
@sbi The only obvious reason would be that it happened more or less by accident, and they didn't bother to insert code to keep it from working on Vista.
 
sbi
@jalf You certainly mean "has anything read anyone", right? :)
 
1:54 PM
no
I've never heard of WinRT, but I saw a link to it on UserVoice
 
@sbi listen to what I mean, not what I say! ;)
 
sbi
Jul 30 at 12:01, by sbi
@FredOverflow This is the C++ room, remember? Picking nits is what we do for a living.
 
@jalf That's similar to Perl's motto.
 
@jalf I haven't. Unfortunately, they're reusing an acronym (WinRT is also a driver that's been around for ages), so Googling for it is pretty useless.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes That must be wrong. I seriously doubt that Perl is meant for human consumption.
 
1:56 PM
@JerryCoffin yeah, I discovered the same thing
 
what RT stands for?
 
just wondering what to make of it when the only source seems to be that one article
Runtime
 
Real Trouble? ReTarded?
 
yeah
and the article doesn't give any sources, either
 
@sbi It's DWIM: "Do What I Mean".
 
1:57 PM
I checked
 
I once worked at a job where I was forced to write software in Perl and PHP because my manager didn't understand C or C++
 
@MartinhoFernandes So why doesn't it ever do anything remotely similar to what I meant?
 
so if he had to make changes, I had to write it in Perl or PHP
 
@CodeMonkey For your sake, I hope that didn't last long.
@sbi Good point.
 
1:58 PM
@JerryCoffin The job only lasted about 8 months and then the company tanked.
 
however
the article also said that WinRT is becoming more and more complete with each leaked build
 
sbi
@CodeMonkey I note that past tense.
@CodeMonkey Oh.
 
and I am calmly sitting here with build 7989
so after I finish uninstalling this junk, I'll make a new partition and take a poke
 
@sbi It was a VoIP company. They couldn't compete with Skype.
 
What's build 7989?
 
1:59 PM
Windows 8 leak
 
when is Win8 scheduled to be released, roughly?
 

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