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14:00
@BartekBanachewicz not to be mistaken for "dialectical", which is about as far from what we're using as possible.
I'm just waiting for an opportunity to bin the entire page.
@GamesBrainiac I have no idea how you connected assesing someone as "totally stupid" with over-confidence.
@CatPlusPlus Competing with @Xeo?
:<
He gets to have all the fun.
14:01
> Days without binning: 1
Ugh now from stupid text editors to even stupider chestbeating.
The topic is now: socks.
@CatPlusPlus And pocket psychology.
@CatPlusPlus You're right. I'll shut up now. This isn't worth it.
mine are blue today.
14:01
:11776052 you on the other hand seem to dismiss all critique aimed at you, putting every argument about your form of discussion to the "ignore" bin. Isn't that overconfident?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am a trained professional, I read Wikipedia
@BartekBanachewicz He won the discussion, you can stop now.
@CatPlusPlus aye, captain.
@GamesBrainiac I use it primarily because I am highly proficient with it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes The same reason I use Pycharm and Sublime. Thank you.
oh look my favorite pony turned up.
14:04
@MarcClaesen An excellent topic. Do you know that, in (literal) fact, Saturn's rings are actually composed of lost socks? So, when you do your laundry and come up one sock short of a pair, you can rest assured that you're contributing to one of the astronomical wonders of the world! (whereas lost underwear contributes to an asstronomical wonder).
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@JerryCoffin Those socks must me cold outside.
Trying to get from under the 100-ton heavy "ass-tronomical"
@JerryCoffin I need to ask. Did you come up with that yourself?
@JerryCoffin I didn't know! I do, however, know that sorting socks is interesting: stackoverflow.com/questions/14415881/…
He needs to ask.
14:05
It's a horrible pun, so yes.
(All puns are horrible)
omg I am blushing @ 0:53 of this video:
asstromonical wasn't a shitty pun
I am Cat and I like tautologies. (And this is jackass)
I should get my lazy ass up and start doing the pancakes :F
Damn, I think I forgot to buy the frying oil
\W4: no warnings
\Wall: 572 warnings from ...\windows kits\8.1\include\ >_>
I am Bartek and I want to have OpenGL's babies
Oh wait what were we talking about?
14:07
@melak47 lol, still no -isystem equivalent?
@CatPlusPlus as of late it would be Haskell though
@CatPlusPlus hehe I can always say "it's my job"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Between the amount I've read and how poor my memory is, I often can't tell for sure -- more than once I've come up with something I thought was entirely original at the time, and later found that it was an almost direct quote of something I'd almost certainly read.
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh, I always understood to it be mean you "lack knowledge on something, but are unwilling to accept otherwise", whilst oblivious was simply just "lack of knowledge"
Also I wasn't on Khronos F2F meeting so I am not on that stage yet.
Might say OpenGL friendzoned me.
14:08
@BartekBanachewicz you spelt butter wrong
That said, if I was quoting something, I wasn't aware of it.
@thecoshman are you frying pancakes on butter?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know. what's that? include "system" include dirs, and ignore warnings from them because you can't do anything about them? :p
Butter up
14:08
@thecoshman Lets forget that discussion. We've moved onto socks.
I am dead serious.
Like "This crap ain't mine, don't bugger me about, you stupid bitch".
@BartekBanachewicz well not right right now... gluten free pancakes suck ass. But yes, I would totally use butter
I might use butter but I need an expert opinion on that.
So.
14:09
@BartekBanachewicz buter = tasty
@thecoshman what has gluten to do with that?
We have these SCRUM calls (instead of face to face meetings).
@thecoshman butter = t ass ty
And I am currently working with guys in India.
14:09
Congrats on making this pun even more horrible
@BartekBanachewicz ... I no longer cook pancakes as gluten free ones suck ass
Now we wait who says "racist" first
you just did
@thecoshman you're gluten-intolerant?
@BartekBanachewicz Some people can't have the thing.
14:10
Each time this particular QA person talks you can hear car horns honking and all. It sounds like she is working on street or something.
@MarcClaesen what am I, a fucking racist?
@BartekBanachewicz GF is GF
:P
@thecoshman ouch.
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know if you are fucking, but definitely racist!
@BartekBanachewicz fyi, that is "GirlFriend is GLuten Free"
14:11
@thecoshman can't help but to focus on "GLuten"
and think "wtf is uten"
hides
sure sounds tasty
@BartekBanachewicz ... she is also unaware of such technology :S
@thecoshman And you love her? WTF is wrong with you?
@thecoshman Make her aware!
14:12
I appreciate it.
thanks for support with my addiction guys.
@BartekBanachewicz More likely a virgin racist (almost certainly not a virgin rapist, anyway).
now off for butter
that'd be awesome. naming.
However, short of fugitive + git-hg, no clue
@JerryCoffin I am genuinely scared of what that could possibly mean
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv ass?
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14:13
dat ass
That was so deep.
@BartekBanachewicz right :}
@CatPlusPlus the ass?
@sehe heh I now laughed when I realized I've left the "SCNR" pretty much only for you.
@BartekBanachewicz Probably means I need to quit chatting for a while, and get up, have breakfast, and get ready for what's going to be a long day (full day of work, then fly back to Colorado Springs for the weekend).
butter up the deep ass? ... err
14:15
@JerryCoffin send us a postcard.
@BartekBanachewicz good! you're temporarily more aware of it, then
@sehe I was alone here for too long. :<
then... hit the road :L
may I recommend playing the piano for a while (that's what I did)
@sehe oh damn, I haven't played piano for even longer
dunno why really :S Never felt like it.
Is that what people call it these days?
14:17
But I think at least my picking skills improved severly :3
@CatPlusPlus you should try it sometime ;)
@CatPlusPlus depression
I need food.
@BartekBanachewicz dangerous strings if you can sever your fingers picking them
oh lol
> esp. suddenly and forcibly.
@BartekBanachewicz I tried that once, but apparently "Bartek in Poland" wasn't a sufficiently precise address.
14:21
@JerryCoffin you chat to us in your bed?
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No -- sitting at the desk.
Oh, ok, it read "get up, have breakfast", so I thought ... you still in bed?
@CatPlusPlus Cat food!
you know what sounds like a simple task? Defining a JSON string based format that you wish to accept data and converting that to an already existing internal format that has been used for quite a while. You know what has been drawn out into a painful 6 week process due to terrible documentation and communication on this internal format. Exactly that. Getting pretty fucking tired of this shit.
14:25
@thecoshman ow. and it's java as well IIRC
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@sehe Java is irrelevant to this pain. Infact, java with it's rather popular javadoc should make this rather simple... should, except it fails when human competence is put to use ¬_¬
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lol Java
It's not even that complex a data structure, basically boils down to a Maps and Lists (that's vectors to those fortunate enough to not have to twat around with Java)
@thecoshman What do you hate most about Java? I can point to something that I hate in PHP, like concatenation doesn't always work. Multiplication messes up sometimes. php.ini is just plain crazy. Whats wrong with Java, can you put a finger on the issue?
14:28
And yeah, JEE is as big a pile of shit as it sounds
> concatenation doesn't always work. Multiplication messes up sometimes.
hehe
@thecoshman how javadoc would alleviate this ...
@R.MartinhoFernandes No joke. Thats why you need to write tests for every goddam thing.
@sehe in theory, it makes it very easy for you to document these things... in practice fuck all gets documented
Java is boring and unexpressive.
14:29
@CatPlusPlus What do you hate more Java or PHP?
What's PHP?
Writing Java I sometimes fall asleep
at least Java is well documented and fairly consistent
@thecoshman I have no idea what JEE actually is
@thecoshman Yea, its unexpressive, but at least if it says it will concatenate two strings, it will do that.
@A.H. smoke and mirrors
14:31
room topic changed to Lounge<Whatever>: Happy Programmers' Day! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-questions]
Fuck programming let's get drunk
It's my united states of whatever!
@thecoshman This is a great bit of anti-php literature -> me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design
also found out, ~apparently~ they spend what equates to over €100 per person per month on 'tea and coffee' at this place.
who likes PHP ?
14:32
@A.H. Jeffrey Way
@GamesBrainiac meh, I do not have to use php, I have no interest in it at all
@thecoshman I think Lightness uses php
infact, template languages as a whole are rather boring an uninteresting to me
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folks
@GamesBrainiac the fuck do I care?
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14:33
Are there any cool JVM-based langs?
The hell is a "template language"
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@thecoshman you can laugh at Tomalak.
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@Fanael Kotlin and Scala
@Fanael Scala
@Fanael You can always do that.
14:34
@Fanael I would suggest Kotlin if you want it to work with existing code.
@Fanael I do not need his poor language choices to do that. Look at his fucking avatar, like the worst character ever from reddwarf
@A.H. I'm usually a quite pragmatic kind of person (for isntance, I still think Java has its uses), but man, PHP is quite a piece of shit.
@CatPlusPlus C++!
@thecoshman It's from Star Trek.
@CatPlusPlus Depends on the context.
Java is a good sedative for example
14:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬
what's the markdown for strikeout on SO?
@EtiennedeMartel oh yeah PHP is shit, my problem with Java is that everything needs to be a class
@A.H. That's not really a problem in practice.
Since it's a character from Star Trek, it probably isn't a good Red Dwarf character.
14:36
@melak47 I think its ~~this~~ Ok obviously not that
@EtiennedeMartel BUT BUT BUT A CLASS
@EtiennedeMartel I want free functions
That is totally unlike a namespace
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whenever people talk about Star Trek, I think about Q, and when I think about Q, I think about Discord, and when I think about Discord, I think about MLP.
@A.H. nope :/
14:37
You always think about MLP.
class foo { /* free functions go here with static */ }
// meanwhile, elsewhere...
import static foo.*; // voilà‎
@A.H. Like this?
@CatPlusPlus I just read issue 10 of the comic this morning.
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They're static methods, not free functions!
@R.MartinhoFernandes not the same man !
@EtiennedeMartel I have no idea what Q, Discord (other than the word itself) and MLP is. Microsoft Lauded Professional?
14:38
THATS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
free your functions man
@GamesBrainiac Q is a letter!
(Character from ST:TNG)
@A.H. <s></s> works
@GamesBrainiac Q is some sort of trickster god character from Star Trek. Discord is an incredibily similar (but much more evil) character from My Little Pony. And now you know what MLP is.
also Java doesn't have unsigned
14:39
Ugh programming jokes on Twitter.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You never know whats a letter and whats a language these days. I mean, there is a D language.
Both characters are played by the same actor, John de Lancie.
@GamesBrainiac there is also the D character and the D object
@A.H. True. Although, how often do you use it?
(The main reason being that when they pitched Discord to Hasbro, they said "He's like Q", and the suits were like "Oh, can we get John de Lancie to voice him?")
14:40
@Pawnguy7 a lot
self documents too
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@Pawnguy7 std::size_t
@GamesBrainiac "She wants the D"
@A.H. Absolutely right my man.
@EtiennedeMartel Woah, really?
and the D-flat programming language
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
Hrm. I guess I would probably use it more if I was going for limited size.
@A.H. I mean there is a C-sharp
@Fanael Meh, I use size_t because it's size_t, not because it's unsigned.
@Fanael What you gna use, Kotlin or Scala?
14:42
D (D-flat) is a musical note lying a diatonic semitone above C and a chromatic semitone below D. It is thus enharmonic to C. In the French solfège it is known as Re Bémol. When calculated in equal temperament with a reference of A above middle C as 440 Hz, the frequency of middle D (or D4) is approximately 277.183 Hz. See pitch (music) for a discussion of historical variations in frequency. Designation by octave {|class="wikitable" !Scientific designation !Helmholtz designation !Octave name !Standard frequency (Hz) |- |D−1 |D͵͵͵ or ͵͵͵D |Subsubcontra |8.662 |- |D0 |D͵͵ or ͵͵D |...
Great, oneboxing is totally bollocks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes captain obvious
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too, but the point is that that it's an oft-used type that happens to be unsigned.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're british?
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@GamesBrainiac I don't know.
> D♭ (D-flat) is (...) thus enharmonic to C♯.
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14:42
@GamesBrainiac He's Portuguese.
@R.MartinhoFernandes de Lancie also produced that Brony documentary.
@Fanael He just said bollocks. Makes me suspicious! :P
Everyone is secretly British.
@GamesBrainiac as much as it may look like it at times, the English are not the only nationality to have a pair of balls
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@CatPlusPlus Bloody hell, I'm not.
14:44
@Fanael You're Murican?
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@GamesBrainiac No, I do have a functioning brain.
@Fanael lol
I got some gotos in my code.
@EtiennedeMartel like a manly man
14:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes @Fanael was talking about the squishy stuff in your head.
@EtiennedeMartel goto the fuck out
I work in C#, you see, and in C# you need to use goto in switch statements to simulate fall through.
@GamesBrainiac I was talking about balls.
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@EtiennedeMartel That's lame. Use comefrom instead.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
14:47
C# switch has no fall through?
@Pawnguy7 Nope. They explicitely prevent it.
@EtiennedeMartel fall through the fuck out!
Anyone here watched Orphan Black?
They still require you to end your cases with a break, because they did not want, and I am not making this up, to confuse C++ programmers.
user784668
No.
14:48
We got it the first time thank you.
@EtiennedeMartel The should have made blocks.
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> confuse C++ programmers
I thought even Java has fall through.
They half-fixed switch, and that sucks.
Meh, switch.
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14:49
It's, like, impossible.
@Pawnguy7 And that'd be related to C#, how?
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@CatPlusPlus Java has a feature that C# lacks therefore Java is superior
C++ programmers are always getting confused by high-level programming.
@GamesBrainiac Yeah, it was a pretty good show, and surprisingly fast-paced.
14:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes Looking at C#, it seems they had to rush things at the end.
This guy at work says "impedance" in a way that sounds like "in penis".
:S
Like all those half-assed patches they worked in because they did not have generics on version 1.
@Fanael It's a bug.
@TheForestAndtheTrees Downloading it now. Lets see how it goes
Pattern matching for C# 6.
14:50
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like to say "happiness" in a way that sounds like "a penis".
@CatPlusPlus Really? Like in Haskell?
Well, it seems, in most cases, Java is meant to be as simple as possible, and not confuse people, and prevent bugs - for example, using an uninitialized variable. Though I have never done it myself, fall through might end up causing some bugs, thus I was surprised Java doesn't prevent it, but C# does. Or maybe C# has different reasons.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, he's currently describing a problem that causes bad impedance data to come in, and he keeps using that word.
It's... weird.
Java is not very good.
@CatPlusPlus sometimes knowing how things work make it hard to just accept them being done automatically. And this is not just about programming languages
14:51
@CatPlusPlus Try Kotlin.
> I want to measure in penis (...)
I don't care about Kotlin.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do the slow jerk.
@CatPlusPlus I get the hate against Java, but why the JVM?
@GamesBrainiac I don't care about JVM.
14:52
@thecoshman Micromanagement?
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Hey.
@CatPlusPlus So your world centers around C++?
@CatPlusPlus You care enough to tell us that you don't care about it.
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@GamesBrainiac lol
@GamesBrainiac Hahahahahahahaha
14:52
@GamesBrainiac Yes, your logic is undefeatable.
You don't know him, hmm?
Congrats. Have a cookie.
ITT Cat is a C++ fanboy.
"Don't like Java; must be obsessed with C++"
14:53
WHAT DO YOU MEAN FALSE DICHOTOMY
@CatPlusPlus I accept only Chocolate Chips.
@EtiennedeMartel I think that much is obvious, I mean he's CPP for heaven's sake.
:cripes:
@GamesBrainiac and I guess I must be male ¬_¬
If I had to pick a Lounger to consider a C++ fanboy, Cat would probably be my last choice.
Either him or rightfold.
14:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes Radek hates whatever is trendy to hate right now.
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@thecoshman Aren't you?
Cat just likes a few things and hates everything else.
@thecoshman You are. See, his logic makes total sense.
@R.MartinhoFernandes well... cat is rather passionate about things... just need to turn that towards C++ rather then against, and bam! fanboy!
But, wait, I'm looking for a quote of mine.
14:55
@thecoshman Probably, are you feeling a little unsure?
@R.MartinhoFernandes moot point
> It seems that, on the Internet, if you dislike something, you automatically like its competitor.
@EtiennedeMartel so true
@EtiennedeMartel And there's only competitor!
@EtiennedeMartel The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
14:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't like fanboys. Does that mean I like haters?
Like you say "Java is bad" and people automatically go "AND C++ IS GOOD EH"
does the poster of a question get notified if the accepted answer gets edited?
And I'm like "shut up idiot where did I mention C++ at all"
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're American! :P
Aaanyway. That quote, and muuuuch more, on my blog!
(Dat ad)
14:56
@melak47 I think so
@EtiennedeMartel IIRC never gets updated :P
@GamesBrainiac His mastery of the Portuguese language is proof.
Maybe I should try blogging again
@thecoshman Only if "never" is "two weeks".
14th time the charm, right?
> If there's only one electrode, you cannot measure in penis.
14:57
@EtiennedeMartel He might just be latino.
I'd call it "your code is a piece of shit"
@GamesBrainiac Right, because these don't speak Spanish for the most part.
Well, I'm getting drunk in half an hour.
@EtiennedeMartel as far as idiots are concerned, Spanish is the same as Portuguese
FRIDAY
Not like I had the entire week off or anything
14:59
@thecoshman Also, they totally speak the same languages in Brazil and Portugal /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes

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