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06:42
Everyone sleeping in here?
Not anymore.
I determined that I can implement new compile-time targets in "DeadMG++", as a library
Compile-time targets?
Awesome, delete cout; compiles in C++03.
07:03
Are you at work?
@DeadMG are you still working on your garbage collector? =)
You always ask that?
Not yet.
@ManofOneWay I wrote it in less than a minute, I finished it, I used it, and it's done
@MartinhoFernandes It's just because I'm at work and I want some sympathy
What, you used a vector of smart pointers?
yep
07:05
@DeadMG Are you making something cool? =)
of course
@DeadMG And what's that? =)
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Hola! Qué tal? Moc moc...
Huh.
Smart pointers is not a GC.
07:08
@MartinhoFernandes unique_ptr instead
Ok, imagine the following: date d1 = /* March 31st */; date d2 = d1.with_month(2);.
What would you expect d2 to be?
(Not a trick question, I'm polling for opinions.)
I really have no expectation there.
If it came with a specific year, I'd expect the last day of February
If there is a special case for it, then Id expect the last day of February too even without a year.
i.e. not the 28th, really the last day.
Oh, sorry about that, yeah suppose the year is well-defined.
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@MartinhoFernandes You gotta be kidding!
@sbi This was in the pre-'safe bool idiom' days of yore.
07:16
Hmm, it probably doesn't.
Should've have tested first.
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@DeadMG I thought you're making something hot? Now it's cool? Tsk.
it's both hot and cool
So, the last day of February is not something surprising in that situation?
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@DeadMG Like ice cream with hot raspberries?
@MartinhoFernandes Least surprising :)
07:17
nomnom
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@Man of one way Have you answered any questions today?
delete std::cout still compiles for me in C++0x mode. I'm checking the doc but it's probably allowed.
@JK Not yet, I'm waiting for @sbi to ask one!
I thought the nasty conversion operator was removed.
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@ManofOneWay I have asked very few questions on SO.
07:19
@LucDanton: They might have left the void* conversion in for legacy reasons
@sbi I was being ironic =)
@DeadMG They didn't.
It's a not-yet-conforming compiler.
the Standard didn't doesn't mean that GCC didn't
I'd find that legacy argument very weak.
I find a lot of things about C++ insane
so what's new?
07:23
The code its removal will break probably needs thinking about.
true
but the guys at the Standard didn't make destructors noexcept by default because they found one case of a destructor throwing
Interesting, it appears to be gone.
and they said that it had terrible design
I only see some explicit operator bool's
@LucDanton Check C.2.15.
07:25
@MartinhoFernandes I've never read those parts of the Standard. seems interesting.
If the conversion was still there, those examples would not fail.
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@Man of one way Who is @Sbi? A drone?
No, an orangutan.
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@Man of one way @Martinho We all are, excluding you.
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2 days ago, by sbi
@Raynos That gorilla avatar is just a disguise. Actually I'm a bonobo.
07:27
@LucDanton Johannes brought it to my attention in this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/6399615/…
@JK A lot of animals in here, a dog, a gorilla and a cat
@MartinhoFernandes But it explicitly mentions valid C++03 code, which delete std::cout isn't. Admittedly, I'm not so sure void* p = std::cout isn't :(
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@Sbi roflol
(Okay delete std::cout is valid some of the time but disregard that)
07:29
@LucDanton But void f(bool); f(std::cout); would be valid in the presence of operator void*.
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@JK Um, I have a problem deciphering that. "Rolling On Floor Laughing Out Loud"?
@MartinhoFernandes Right, and those appear in the compatibility section. How am I supposed to understand that section then?
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Ugh, that profile inlining skips the about line. Too bad.
I think the title is misleading.
> This subclause lists the differences between C++and ISO C
I took it as a list of breaking changes (among other things).
So your f example is expected and documented to break, is it?
07:32
Yes, it's expected not to compile.
> Valid C++2003 code that relies on implicit boolean conversions will fail to
compile with this International Standard. Such conversions occur in the following conditions:
— passing a value to a function that takes an argument of type bool;
Right -- what do we make of conversions to void* then?
Undocumented breaking change?
They're nowhere to be seen.
it's quite well documented
They're gone, and the effects of that are documented in that clause.
'Undocumented' means 'not in appendix C', not 'oops this went in into the Standard unnoticed'!
Of course everything that appears in the Standard document is documented. I can't go on being tautological all day!
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07:42
@Sbi You are correct. But how old are you really?
@Man of one way btw ttyn
Morning !
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Thoughts about WindowsRT?
> Note: this is an early draft. It’s known to be incomplet and incorrekt, and it has lots of bad formatting.
Nice use of self-describing words.
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@kbok Mornin'
I should had that "bad" had the "b" and the "a" slightly on top of each other in the original.
07:45
@MartinhoFernandes You're gonna be late for work!
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@JK I'm older than you.
@ManofOneWay Is that all you ever worry about? Whether we are already at work or still on our way, and whether we're going to be late?
@sbi Yes! It worries me
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@ManofOneWay Ever thought of talking it through with a therapist?
@sbi Maybe
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@ManofOneWay You don't know whether you ever thought about it? OMG.
07:48
at least when you're talking to a therapist you know they're at work
because they're talking to you
@DeadMG That's good =)
@sbi I tried to once, but he spent the whole session scolding me for having been late...
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@JerryCoffin ROTFL!
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@Man of one way I'm here for you Mannie
Does that work as a pickup line?
"Hey babe, you're at work?"
07:51
@MartinhoFernandes It does
Hmm, probably not.
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@Martinho Depends on the price
If she's doing that kind of work, you don't need a pickup line.
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@Martinho No, just a pickup
guys
why don't you just say SEX and get over it?
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07:56
@DeadMG That works?!
Don't you think that makes @Sbi a sad panda?
Yes, if she's at work.
if sex didn't work none of us would be here
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@MartinhoFernandes Which reminds me of the problem I see with legalizing prostitution. Where it's illegal, they come up with such nice euphemisms. Where it's legal, they just don't bother, like the time I was walking down the street in Belgium (yes, at night) and a lady said something to me. I said something like: "Sorry, I don't speak French." She replied: "Well, you like sex don't you?"
@JerryCoffin In the UK, it's illegal to solicit sex
although technically, the act of exchanging money for sex is not illegal
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@MartinhoFernandes AT least here it seems to fail.
07:58
I'm not sure what to make of that.
@MartinhoFernandes Jerry means you need go to work otherwise you'll be late
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@JK I'm not a panda. I'm a grumpy old bonobo, disguised as a gorilla.
@JK Wait. Are you asking whether mentioning sex would make me sad??
How then did I get more kids than some of you have had girlfriends?
@sbi It's a quote from south park.
@kbok He's old, remember?
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@Sbi well you are endangered.
08:01
(Though I don't watch South Park and I'm not old either. I think.)
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@kbok I have heard of that. I think it falls into the last twenty years, a time in which I had no TV.
@kbok "Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany."
@JK Pardon?
@sbi Ah, crappy geographic restrictions. It's the same in France.
@MartinhoFernandes Whereas I am old, but do watch South Park now and again. Then again, maybe it's because I've been to the real South Park (though there's no town there).
Anyway, he's the Sexual Harassment Panda, and sexual harassment makes him a sad panda, or so he says.
08:03
Oh well, gotta go now. If I stay I'll be late for work and @ManofOneWay will be sad.
@MartinhoFernandes True Indeed!
here's a question
why do some of my files in my repo have giant red exclamation marks on them?
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@DeadMG You're using VSS?
no
mercurial
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Well, it was a guess.
08:07
@DeadMG Did you remove them?
"The file icons show which fi les are up to date with a check mark (green) and which fi les have been
modi ed and need to be committed with an exclamation mark (red)."
I just looked in the repo today
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08:10
@Man of one way Amen to that.
Sometimes even a puppy needs guidance
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Unless hes the pack leader.
yeah but I just committed it
ok, I guess it just thinks about it before changing the cion
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@Hades: Are you just playing with the interface or do you really want something from me?
grins
08:25
@DeadMG It's probably the Windows Explorer icon cache playing tricks on you.
yes i wanted to talk to you
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@Man of one way Are you working?
@JK Hard time baby
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Obviously...
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@ManofOneWay You get paid for chatting?
08:26
@sbi Yes, me and Jon Skeet
Speaking of Jon Skeet. I've been thinking about my previous date related question.
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@ManofOneWay I don't think Jon is chatting much.
@sbi JK and I have theory, we believe that Jon Skeet gets paid for answering questions all day
What if the original date was March 30th?
Anyone here has used ATL ?
08:27
@sbi What do you think about that?
Want to share opinions ?
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@MartinhoFernandes You got a date with Jon?
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Hes ure does
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@ManofOneWay You sure you want to hear that?
lol, I visited Channel 9
08:28
@sbi AFAIK, it's a "he", so I'm far from even thinking of that.
they still have an advert up for the Kinect Windows SDK Launch Event, June 16th
@sbi Yes! Speak up! =)
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@ManofOneWay Bollocks.
@sbi Why? He's sitting on stack 24/7 answering questions
1 hour ago, by Martinho Fernandes
Ok, imagine the following: date d1 = /* March 31st */; date d2 = d1.with_month(2);.
08:29
by the way
@MartinhoFernandes I'd check what existing practices are.
is it just me, or in C, the assignment operator is right-associative but all the others seem left-associative?
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@ManofOneWay Stackoverflow has, IIRC, almost a million users. Sure there's one in a million who manages to have time enough to spend all day answering questions, and vain enough to go for the rep?
@sbi just one?
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Still, this man is all about the meula
08:30
@LucDanton Good point. Where would I find "existing practices"? (rethorical) I don't have a specific use case :(
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@DeadMG No. there's more than one.
@MartinhoFernandes I'm checking if Boost.DateTime has a similar use case.
@sbi JK +1. Also, why would google pay him to do nothing? Because I don't think he gets much done when he's on stack all day
@MartinhoFernandes Seems to implement what it calls 'snap-to-last-day'
@sbi just look at Skeet's activity page
08:32
Actually he says that he uses Stack Overflow in his spare time
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@ManofOneWay Looks like he's had like six bursts of activity today. So?
his answer on meta about his schedule
@sbi He has almost 4 pages of activity, just for today!
@sbi Now, add 8-10 hours of work to that
@sbi and sleep and eating.
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@ManofOneWay We must be looking at a different Jon. The one I was looking at had a 8h pause, which I presume was his sleeping time. And like six bursts of activity since.
@ManofOneWay All his activity since he (probably) woke up fits in the first page.
You don't expect him to be working at midnight, now do you?
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08:37
@Man of one way They pay him cuz it's good publicity.
@sbi Sorry, it was almost 3 pages. Still that's alot. I'm just looking at a 24hour span
@ManofOneWay If he really spent all day posting on SO, 24 hours of activity would yield a lot more than 3 pages.
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Sounds to me like a man driven of greed!
@JK He often hits the rep cap before waking up.
So he could just not post anything at all and still get the rep.
@MartinhoFernandes I'm not saying he's spending 24 hours, just saying it's hard to fit that much activity in here, besides work and social life.
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08:40
Still his rep cap is what is gonna get him into Large Cap, and you better believe that he know about this.
@MartinhoFernandes Maybe Google lets him work at stack half of the time ?
As @JK said, it's probably good publicity for Google
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Skeet > google
@ManofOneWay Yeah, definitely. A guy that happens to work there answers a boatload of questions about Microsoft's platform.
That's the kind of publicity that is worth paying for.
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@Martinho Is
@MartinhoFernandes More thinking of the kind of publicity that he's the MAN, and he works at Google
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08:42
@Hades: If you want something from me, speak up now (and here). I see no reason to enter a private room with you.
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@Man of one way +1 for putting it like it is
@ManofOneWay He's the MAN inside a certain programming community.
And he's active on the Microsoft part of that community.
I don't realise how that would attract programmers for Google.
@MartinhoFernandes A quite big community, @sbi said around 1 million members? Add all the people googling stack as well.
@MartinhoFernandes Anyways, it's just a theory!
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@ManofOneWay Remember, google has the 80/20 rule: one fifth of your time you work on what you want to work on. And I doubt that google is the kind of employer that has a manager placed behind their devs to check their working in sweat from 9-5. If he gets his work done (and they are hiring such people only), they wouldn't care what he spends his time with.
@MartinhoFernandes Don't you look at Google thinking only the best are working there?
@MartinhoFernandes I do
08:44
@ManofOneWay And what's that got to do with Jon?
Most people that interact with him see him around the C# tag.
Not the Android tag.
@MartinhoFernandes Still, both you and I have looked at his profile, asking ourself, who the hell is this guy?
@ManofOneWay Honestly, no, I look at Google and think that a lot of very good people work there
@MartinhoFernandes and found out, He's a guy working at Google
I have no doubt they have plenty of less-good people as well
@ManofOneWay He's a Microsoft MVP working at Google.
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08:46
@jalf Hmm wonder why...
@jalf Yes, Google has a good reputation, and Skeet is definitely adding to it.
I still don't see how.
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Did they hire Josh Bloch to promote Oracle too?
If they hire good professionals, they certainly don't do it for the publicity.
@MartinhoFernandes Because he's by far the one with the highest reputation on the biggest programming community in the world.
@MartinhoFernandes Isn't that good enough?
08:48
Expect he doesn't add to it.
He very rarely answers Googleland-questions.
He passes the wrong message, basically.
@MartinhoFernandes That's not the point, the point is he's really really good, and he works for Google.
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@ManOf Or to sum it, most rep on SO = google employee
@JK because you can't employ many thousand people, without getting some rotten ones as well
@ManofOneWay I thought the point was that they payed him for the publicity.
Which seems like a waste of money to me.
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@Martinho partially
TV commercial = + 100 million a year
Jon Skeet < 3 million a year
08:52
@jalf I don't think there's sucky programmers at google, their selection is quite harsh. However I think there must be many "good enough" ones.
@kbok and that's because they have a good reputation = a lot of people do want to work there = they can be picky
@ManofOneWay Yep. And they also pay well.
@kbok I'm sure they have some sucky programmers too. But I wasn't talking about programmers exclusively. Maybe they have some sucky secretaries, or accountants, or middle managers, or janitors or whatever. But you can't be the size of Google without some sucky employees slipping in
Google's strength is that it is dominated by the clever, skilled ones
Unlike Microsoft, which sometimes seems to be a crowd of super skilled programmers led by monkeys
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@jalf Oh, that seems a very accurate description.
@jalf Lol, so true
08:55
@jalf Sure, I don't doubt that either
@jalf excellent description
oh come on, 4 of you praised it, but it only got two stars? WANT MOAR STARRSSSSSSS!
preciousssss
;)
Can't star twice.
@jalf : Here's mine :)
But you forgot the guideline saying you should make self-contained witty comments.
@kbok Guidelines are for other people ;)
08:59
You make a typo and your face contorts in a painful way.
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j/k, btw, I just thought we need to use more stars around here. Been pretty sparse lately
I just googled ";9". I was really wondering how you could make a face like that.

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