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Xeo
8:00 PM
@A.H. I'm sad that there's no "anyurl.com" :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Perhaps. But it's degenerating with and into harsh community moderation as well. I'm not sure that's better
 
@Xeo theres shadyurl.com
 
I'm all for strict and unforgiving moderation.
 
@Xeo there is a placeholderurl.com. Does that help?
 
@Xeo someone should do that it will be like a wild adventure on the web
 
8:00 PM
Conform or die. :v:
 
OMG what have I missed?
 
ugh, and now I feel dirty, you made me comment on Meta again :(
 
a meta fest
 
@TonyTheLion A newbie C++ question got Lounged.
 
Come on man.
 
8:02 PM
And now there's a post on meta about it.
 
@Tuntuni And the lounge attitude towards newbies got Meta'ed
 
Didn't we stop posting that word? :(
 
@jalf Yup.
@Rapptz Well all of the people who voted to close are from the Lounge. :/ Maybe one guy isn't.
No other way to describe it.
 
@Tuntuni Wrong. Half the comments he linked werent from loungers. and i believe at least one of the close votes was not from here
 
Except that sadly, it's not just the lounge attitude, but the attitude of a depressing number of high-rep users
 
8:03 PM
oh gawd :/
 
@Tuntuni It's a shitty question and you have an issue if you feel as if it should have stayed open.
 
We're not helping our reputation with this, I'm sure
 
Good.
 
@Borgleader I edited. :)
 
We already have a reputation for being quite harsh at times
 
8:03 PM
@Borgleader So what you're saying is that no less than half of it came from the lounge? :p
 
@Rapptz I didn't say anything about keeping the question open. I'm talking about it getting Lounged. :D
 
@jalf Programming is becomming more popular activity, hence we're living another "September that never ended" on SO, IMO. That's why it might seem we're declining more questions; it's simply because there's more bad questions.
 
Which it did.
 
@TonyTheLion "we"? please speak for yourself. thanks!
 
My first C++ question ever, which I posted on comp.lang.c++.moderated nearly 10 years ago would probably be rejected today on SO because it's "minimal knowledge" or something.
 
8:04 PM
i don't have such reputations
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked SO's not for learning a language vOv
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb lolwat
 
i could post a link to my first programming question
 
@StackedCrooked You just need to show a little bit of effort.
 
@StackedCrooked that was exactly the time of Eternal September
we're getting close to 10th anniversary
 
8:05 PM
@TonyTheLion honestly, it's not about "our" reputation IMO. The lounge can be harsh, and I have no problem with that. It's ours, and we give off the impression we want to give. But seeing the same attitude on SO, that people should just fuck off if they don't already know the language they're trying to use, bothers me
 
But I was stuck. I had been trying to fix my problem for over 1 hour.
 
Xeo
Also, I'm getting the feeling @LucD might have left because of stuff like this.
 
I just want a place to hang out with you guys. Fuck SO.
 
The problem was I had std::vector<string> and forgot std:: for the the string part.
 
@JonathonReinhart - Five out of every four people abuse poorly-cited statistics. — Jack Maney 17 secs ago
 
8:05 PM
@Xeo not that he was really pleasant himself, hm?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus SO's chat is too convenient. :s
 
@StackedCrooked Nah.. people would have answered that instantly.
 
@Xeo We being destroyers of delicate flowers' feelings, or the ever-plunging quality of SO questions?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Oh? Since he really only talked about C++, I never got that impression. I quite liked @LucD.
 
I'm pretty sure originally it was for programming questions at any skill level.
 
8:06 PM
@Xeo I didn't know he left (well, I obviously haven't seen him around recently, I guess). I certainly don't know why.
 
@jalf Yes sure, I don't really know what the original comments were that instigated this discussion, besides DeadMG's answer (which I have read). Its not about our reputation, but it does have an effect on it. I only thought I'd mention it.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG The Lounge, atleast.
He hasn't been on here in a month and was only occasionally online on SO
 
@Xeo Cicada left because of (not only of course) Luc IIRC
 
maybe he got hit by a bus?
 
SO being knowledge base was one of the founding tenants, afair.
 
Xeo
8:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Cicada never left?
 
@Xeo then where's he?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Amber Roxanne?
 
@jalf I think the question is poor and shows an unfortunate lack of effort on his part in terms of language comprehension. I also don't think the comments are hostile, the most hostile thing I saw was the puppy's answer, and even then I didn't think it was too hostile. So I don't think it's that bad.
 
@Xeo Amber Roxanna you mean?
 
ooh, building C++ addons for node.js is actually fairly simple
 
Xeo
8:07 PM
@Borgleader Oh, yeah.
 
lol, "our" reputation
 
Xeo
> Villbold
 
Everytime a C++ question gets linked on meta as hostile we always seem to blame ourselves, I don't get it.
 
Xeo
lol :D
 
8:08 PM
@Rapptz it made the OP apologize for his question. That's a great way to make an early impression on him ;)
 
Ell
@DeadMG Okay, linking everything apart from clangFrontendToppol, which I can't find on my system
 
@Xeo whatever.
 
@Tuntuni I don't recall ever seeing that guy.
 
He should apologize. I had to read it.
 
8:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus you were forced? At gunpoint, I assume?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb That was 2002. You've been doing C++ for a longer time than I thought.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Me neither but be prepared.
 
You could've just stayed here in the lounge
 
@CatPlusPlus oh you.
 
Nothing will happen.
 
8:09 PM
you chose to read it
 
Well they made a fuss on meta about it.
 
great logic
 
^
 
Can't laugh properly if you don't know what the fuss is about.
 
@CatPlusPlus You could have just ignored it.
 
8:10 PM
@jalf Honestly, the question's awful. He apologised because of DeadMG's answer.
 
They make a fuss on meta about practically everything. We're usually pretty good at ignoring it
 
It had potential to be funny, and it is!
 
@Rapptz I think there were cleaned comments.
 
@StackedCrooked i didn't really do C++. i just wrote bullshit and hoped it compiled
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked I was 11 years old at that time. Woah.
 
8:10 PM
@jalf looking for a reason for "Cat's today's whining" is rather pointless IMHO. We're usually pretty good at ignoring that, too.
 
The biggest problem is that I'm not going to win that thread.
 
@CatPlusPlus so you're saying that SO newbies are there to be a source of entertainment for jaded old-time users?
 
What am I whining about fuck off
 
@DeadMG I was there when all of this happened and read all the comments. I didn't think they were bad.
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb Implying that's not what everyone does to this day :P
 
8:10 PM
@jalf Yes.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol...
 
The playthings of gods.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb That's what we all do :)
 
That shitty meme is getting horribly old.
 
@CatPlusPlus "god" being defined as someone who hates coding and enjoys seeing others suffer. And "plaything" being defined as someone who wants to get better at programming?
 
8:11 PM
oh wait that was not a response.
 
Xeo
@JackManey Edited to avoid further flames. However, my point was that studies have shown that women tend to act on emotion and empathy more so than men. And when we're dealing with a discussion of whether or not someone's feelings were going to be hurt, I think it was somewhat relevant. — Jonathon Reinhart 7 mins ago
 
@Ell FrontendToppol?
 
Is print debugging a bad habit/
 
@jalf Newbies are Fresh Meat!
 
Ell
@DeadMG don't have that either
 
8:12 PM
@jalf Well that's how gods are. Didn't you watch Supernatural.
 
struct a {
    auto var = make_shared<int>(3); //I SO WISH
};
 
@Pawnguy7 it is sometimes really really useful. And often, it is suboptimal. Learn to use the tools at your disposal. If a debugger can better help you, use that instead. But when printf debugging is your most convenient tool, use it
 
@Pawnguy7 why don't you use a debugger for debugging?
 
@Ell No, you said that you failed to link FrontendToppol. I don't even know what FrontendTool does. It might succeed in linking without it.
 
@CatPlusPlus nah. I hardly ever watch TV shows :)
 
Xeo
8:12 PM
@MooingDuck Yeah, no. Since in-class initializers only get translated to initializers in the constructors :/
 
@SadStudent Just in time
 
@SadStudent shitstorm
 
@SadStudent Hey man, we're busy bitching.
 
> The lounge can be harsh, and I have no problem with that.#
 
@jalf Tsk tsk, you should correct your behaviour.
 
Ell
8:13 PM
@DeadMG oh right. yeah, I'll try removing clangFrontendToppol
 
@SadStudent why should be different? You mean like struct S { int[10]; } and sizeof(S) == sizeof(int[10]);?
 
@CatPlusPlus I watched BSG! That took ages. (it was worth it though) Maybe in another decade I'll watch another one
 
@Pawnguy7 I do it all the time.
 
@Ell Where even are you getting clangFrontendToppol from? I only see clangFrontendTool in the Premake.
 
@BartekBanachewicz dunno, maybe for holding some info about this being a struct :P
 
Xeo
8:14 PM
Y'know, since everybody's crying about comments-as-answers, I wonder when I'm going to be called out for my answers-as-comments.
 
I watched Airwolf.
 
@SadStudent not necessary. Type information is needed only at compilation. Except for virtual methods and stuff like that, but that's C++. In general, the assembly works on raw packs of data, so a struct is just a bigger pack of data that should be copied together.
 
Ell
@DeadMG that's what's in my makefiles o.O
 
@jalf SPN is 8 seasons and still ongoing!
 
Ell
Looks like a typo to me
 
8:15 PM
yeah
it should read FrontendTool, and that's what I see in the Premake file.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so it'd be practically the same memory wise ?
 
@CatPlusPlus you just ensured that I am never ever going to watch it :p
 
@SadStudent If you ignore things like padding, then yes.
 
@DeadMG His ring finger is really fat so he pressed O and P simulatenously.
 
It's awesome.
 
8:16 PM
@DeadMG: Eat a brain! — Xeo 13 mins ago
 
@Xeo I don't immediately see the issue
@Xeo wait, make_shared isnt constexpr, so bad example
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Uninteresting, the type is the important part.
@MooingDuck struct X{ int a = 42; } == struct X{ int a; X() : a(42){} } (and so on for every constructor you ever do or do not write)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks a lot !
 
@CatPlusPlus once the series ends, if anyone summarizes it into, say, 8 hours or less, I might watch that :p
 
@SadStudent no problem. Don't worry about the binning, the climate is very cloudy today here. :)
 
8:18 PM
lulz
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's OK kinda funny actually :)
 
@jalf I think a great series should as last long as possible.
 
@Xeo except for C++14
 
@TonyTheLion nomnomnom
 
which allows X x{43}; for the first case but not for the second
 
Xeo
8:18 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb Oh, so they changed that? Cool.
 
@Xeo I'm trying to deal with a object who's template parameters contains lambdas :/
 
@SadStudent we're likable if you stay a while longer. That's more like self-defense against storm of newbs incoming. Why don't you read the newbie hints?
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Oh
 
@StackedCrooked depends on the series (and on how much of a long-term story there is to it) But I'm not calling for it to end. Just saying that'd have to be condition before I'd ever dedicate time to it ;)
 
Xeo
8:19 PM
What's the problem, exactly?
 
@Xeo yet another attempt to make C++ properties
 
Xeo
Ughno, please :s
They can't work cleanly in C++ as is.
 
@DeadMG :P
 
Xeo
Save yourself the trouble.
 
8:21 PM
@Xeo I think that I disagree, but they are never going to be lvalues, certainly.
 
@Xeo you know the more we sit here, the more walls "we can't sanely do that" we encounter
 
@BartekBanachewicz will do :) have a great night/evening/whatever you have in your country now folks :P
 
that's kinda sad.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG operator T&(), but that aside.
 
@Xeo I don't know. I'm pretty tired of SO dumb vision dictating things, and flag wars and linkdumpers and ugh
 
8:22 PM
@SadStudent mostly europe, so night. :)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Because we're looking to do more and more obscure stuff
 
@Xeo Nah, because then you can assign... oh, wait, I was thinking of hypothetical a core language feature, rather than a library component in C++ as-is.
 
@Xeo do you really think it's so obscure? Maybe I am spoiled by Lua&friends, but in general I don't really think that something like properties or reflection should require that much effort or simply be impossible
or attributes.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz C++ was not created / evolved with those in mind, so I think it's "obscure stuff" for C++.
 
@BartekBanachewicz +1 . reflection is amazing
 
8:24 PM
But it does require that much effort or simply is impossible.
 
@Xeo heh, I like the phrase that "X was not evolved with that in mind" :p
because that's exactly how evolution works (at least for the biology kind)
 
@Xeo there are many things that weren't designed with X in mind, but still coped up with the change.
 
Xeo
@jalf I couldn't find the right word. :(
 
C++ hasn't limped towards that direction yet.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You can make everything looks ridiculously easy in your favorite language if it was created with foresight in that direction. (Not speaking about anyone or anyone's favorite language in particular.)
 
8:26 PM
@Xeo if it was created in direction of adding new things to the language by programmer, that is?
 
@Xeo And doesn't have as much baggage of bad decisions as C++.
 
Xeo
Yes
 
what about stdlib then?
 
Xeo
awhat?
 
There's a post from Eric Lippert on SO about "why can't you just add one little feature to C#".
 
8:27 PM
@Xeo it is, more or less, extending the "language" as we know it, no?
 
@ThePhD bought so much fruit for me, I can't eat it all before it goes off. :(
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz But the language was built with exactly the stdlib in mind. Or rather, the stdlib was fitted to the language.
 
The more complicated the language, the more impact changes have, and it's tricky and hard to maintain the compatibility and stuff.
 
fruit for breakfast, fruit for lunch, fruit for dinner
what's the problem?
 
Xeo
STL & templates n stuff
@DeadMG What problem?
 
8:28 PM
@DeadMG Fruit Overflow?
 
And C++ is 1000x as complicated as C#.
 
Xeo
No denying that.
 
@DeadMG Fruit.
 
Xeo
Well, maybe cut a 0
 
@Xeo but what would be the goal of this if not allowing further changes and additions?
 
8:28 PM
Deny everything.
 
@TonyTheLion Impossibru.
 
if stdlib was really tuned for language, why make it a sorta "optional" component?
 
Xeo
Huh?
 
@DeadMG is raindrop not a bin???
 
Xeo
I fear you lost me some messages ago.
 
8:29 PM
Because C++ design philosophy gets extremely dumb at times.
 
@DeadMG lol
 
@Xeo C++ is perfectly usable without stdlib, if you provide alternative ways to manipulate data sanely
 
"doing a Bartek" should be a thing.
 
Every language is perfectly usable without its standard library if you provide a surrogate standard library :p
 
I think that the whole point of stdlib was to make a border between fixed and modifiable language features
 
Xeo
8:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "C++ is perfectly usable without stdlib if you replace the stdlib with another lib"
 
@jalf but the surrogate, as you called it, could look totally different
 
@Xeo DAT LOGIC
 
The point of stdlib is to provide readily available tools and non-primitive building blocks.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Could it really?
 
@Xeo that could be built with totally different methods, ways, idioms, that stdlib
 
8:31 PM
Why are we talking about stdlib, anyway?
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure. How is that different from any other language which has a std lib?
 
Is it me, or is this discussion very circular?
 
Xeo
How much different do you think such a new stdlib could be without changing core stuff?
 
@Xeo now that's a proper question. How much difference would C++ core allow
 
Xeo
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
what about stdlib then?
 
8:32 PM
Yeah, the discussion was about C++ core, and then suddenly stdlib for some inexplicable reason.
idgi
 
@jalf that the C++ core is so tightly bound to the particular stdlib, that the separation is arguable
 
@CatPlusPlus Lets talk about something else.
 
I bought a non-cheap whiskey.
 
ohhhh whiskey
 
Xeo
Let's talk about Haskell and how (unary.) . binary is magic to me.
 
I haven't had that for ages
 
I mean, if you can't use Core without stdlib or something that's extremely similar to it, what's the point of separating it from core? @Xeo @jalf?
 
should buy again sometime
 
@Xeo What's magic?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus That I don't get it.
Notice that I said "magic to me"
I should probably just do the composition by-hand to see how it works, but I haven't done that yet.
@BartekBanachewicz Seperation of concern.
 
Ell
8:34 PM
@DeadMG okay so now I get loads of undefined references. I've sorted the boost ones now, but the rest are still there
I'm not sure why, I solved all the missing libraries
 
I formally accepted my new job today. (ie I signed a contract)
 
@Xeo concern about what?
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion Congrats! The one in london?
 
@TonyTheLion sweet! When are you starting there?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Cool.
 
8:34 PM
@Ell Yep
@jalf Beginning of sept
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz maybe you want to use a different library but the same language? idk
 
I can downvote on meta now :3
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz The language vs the default tools it provides. Also, Core is very rigorously specified, while Library only describes behaviour.
 
@Ell but @Xeo and @jalf said that this other library couldn't really look much different
 
@BartekBanachewicz I did?
 
Xeo
8:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't say it couldn't.
 
@Ell Goddamnit. StackedCrooked had this problem too. What are you missing references to?
 
I just said that any language would be usable without its stdlib provided you had a suitable replacement available
 
4 mins ago, by Xeo
How much different do you think such a new stdlib could be without changing core stuff?
 
hmm, decltype<[](){}> var = [](){}; is illegal? That's probably wise, but interferes with what I'm doing :/
 
@Xeo this one was the most funny thing I did: nickles.de/forum/dsl-isdn-modems/2001/… :)
 
Xeo
8:37 PM
@MooingDuck no lambda in unevaluated context.
 
auto var = [](){};
 
@Xeo and even without that restriction, every lambda is given a unique type (so the two instances of the expression would have distinct types)
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb trying to make a member. I guess lambdas cannot be members?
 
@MooingDuck Not without type-deduced members.
 
> L'important, c'est de pas se prendre les couilles dans l'ascenseur.
 
Xeo
8:38 PM
@MooingDuck template + factory function
 
@MooingDuck correct
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That was intended as a leading question, how you think the stdlib could be different.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lolllll wat? tu sors ca dou
 
@MooingDuck you would be violating the ODR easily
 
@Borgleader Discussion avec un collègue.
 
8:39 PM
@Xeo we already established the factory function doesn't quite work because you can't have an auto member either
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck std::function :D
 
@Xeo I was trying so hard to avoid that :(
 
struct A { void(*p)() = [](){ ... }; };
 
Xeo
Too lazy to dig up my quote about telling you to save yourself the hassle.
@JohannesSchaub-litb Unary operator+ <3
 
Xeo
8:40 PM
Aw c'mon!
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb pretty sure my lambdas won't be stateless
 
@Xeo OIC. I was thinking about problem-specific extensions really, and about the stuff we began the discussion with, how much the language could be changed without changing the core. I think that would offer substantial gains for users. But then again, it's probably just wishful thinking and I should start learning another language
 
Xeo
Learn Haskell, gogo
I just noticed this one...
Man that one's bad.
 
@Xeo lol
 
8:42 PM
@Xeo I don't know... I'd really like to make something nontrivial in Terra, but this language is still extremely experimental and I am simply afraid it could get dumped any moment (I know that's irrational) :(
 
@Xeo hah, i saw that two like 2 min ago xD
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Just go and experiment, but I don't think it will provide you any new views on languages, really.
 
@Ell @thecoshman "Added the DSATextureEXT" < in OGLPlus
 
Xeo
However, whatever you learn doesn't have to be specific to Terra
 
Ell
Woo
 
Xeo
8:44 PM
Anyways, still recommending Haskell. Or any other pure functional language.
 
Learn Clean.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds sort of rational; looks like a phd project
 
Ell
@DeadMG @DeadMG Here is a list without all the line numbers etc. gist.github.com/elliotpotts/6116743
 
@Rapptz was that a response to me?
@EiyrioüvonKauyf well it's also a great language :)
 
8:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz go with Dart.. but you don't like web... ok Go. go with Go :3
 
@Ell holy crap
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Dart was the google creation that noone uses now. Oh wait, Go was the google creation that noone.... etc.
 
should I make a public github repo and commit my half arsed regex parser attempt to it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... i feel like it's the one that's going to be used. once people actually start adding support for it. It's beta was 40 days ago
 
then you can all laugh at my code :/
 
8:46 PM
I won't laugh at it :)
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Can we also laugh without having seen it? <3
 
Yea right.
 
@TonyTheLion yes. i'll laugh :3
 
Ell
Here is with line numbers. But I thought I already posted this o.O gist.github.com/elliotpotts/6116621
 
@Xeo lol
 
8:46 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Thing is, Go isn't really much different from C++. It's a "new C++". Terra is something completely different
 
@TonyTheLion I won't!
 
@BartekBanachewicz hmmmm something different .. why not erlang? :3
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it is? (wrt Go) o.O
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf hm, you know, I am aware of existence of different programming languages. And Erlang looks like another miss. I mean, it's great if you want to write servers.
 
@Ell You did. No missing library errors? Boost should automatically link it's own libraries when you include the header, AFAIK.
 
8:48 PM
@Ell I thought it was marketed as such
 
Ell
@DeadMG Oh right, I was just making sure anyway
@DeadMG No missing library errors
I'll try make clean && make
 
#walloftextohnoesbinit
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Itadakimasu.
 
8:49 PM
Things like that are fun.
 
@Xeo ... you eat code?
 
@Xeo All I got was "tada".
 
Xeo
@EiyrioüvonKauyf It's not just used for eating.
 
fuck I've downloaded iOS6 instead of iOS7b4
 
@CatPlusPlus "thanks for the meal"
 
Xeo
8:50 PM
Fail.
@CatPlusPlus Just read it as "thanks!" for now
 
@Xeo also used as a thank you for that in general yes?
 
Xeo
@EiyrioüvonKauyf No
 
@BartekBanachewicz how about J, it's a non von neumann one :3. of which there are very few
 
If you want to say "thanks" just say arigatou :S
 
8:51 PM
@Xeo :( what is it then
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf and what practical usage does it have?
 
@BartekBanachewicz technically math and stat
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I just wanted to eat up that knowledge, so to speak. :s
 
i'll be damned if i've ever heard of anyone use it in Industry though
 
Xeo
Whatever, time to read.
 
8:52 PM
@Ell Some of those are pthreads functions. You could try adding -lpthreads.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf eh.
I'd like to write something OpenGL in Terra. I was thinking about it for quite some time now
 
@Xeo lol
 
Ell
Ahh right
 
user142019
What's orange and tastes like an orange?
 
@BartekBanachewicz there's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHDL ... VHDL and Verilog are used extensively in EE afaik
 
8:53 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf that's hw description language
 
@Ell Apparently, the Boost implicit linking thing only works for Windows? The Boost getting started guide for Unix shows explicitly linking to the library.
 
I can talk about Haskell all day.
 
user142019
Do it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yup :3 if you're interested ... though of course you won't be doing OpenGL in it.. actually i don't really know a project you can do in it
 
Ell
@DeadMG Yeah it does, I can sort boost out
 
8:55 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf hm, maybe let's try the other way, have you really looked at Terra yet? :>
 
@Ell Take a look at this.
I think it implies that, if you add some stuff to the build options command line, it will do it all for you.
try editing the Premake to not link to any LLVM libs, and add that stuff to the buildoptions, and see how far that gets you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz afaik Terra is a new language which has giant intercompatability with Lua and allows for templates and other meta features in general syntax. let me reread the page
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus It seems kinda inside-out, but I think I get it.
 
Why inside-out?
 
yeah fuck C++ at least for a while. I need a break.
 
Xeo
8:58 PM
It kinda feels like that with the (g x) floating before the z argument.
 
Referential transparency, y === (g x).
y can be substituted immediately, because that lambda is always applied with (g x).
Eh :words:
 
hmm, a question I was answering has all the comments gone. How do I find the page history again?
 
Xeo
Sure, but it goes from (f .) . g to f ((g x) y). Maybe I should've said "outside-in".
@MooingDuck There's no page history
 

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