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04:00
entrepreneurship is no different from investment banking, I know because I have been in both
@AshKetchum Sadly for you there is no "Entrepreneurship and startup" genre of movies
@Borgleader Other than the Social Network
entrepreneurs = sales people
What?! NO
@Borgleader But there are lots of testimonial videos out there. :)
04:01
trust me, in order to make a lot of money through any industry (most are legit) you need to love money a lot
@AshKetchum The Social Network is a genre of movies now? TIL
No, it is a type of movie in that "genre."
startup is about making money not innovation
Now I am feeling bad ... the way I trashed a 6 yo's fantasy for telling them santa isn't real
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Yes, I know.
Don't worry, if you don't like money terribly much, you can just hang around with 'losers' like me. I am a 'loser' because I discovered for some reasons my happiness is inversely correlated to my achievements. The 'better' I do in other people's eyes, the more unhappy I was.
It is rational after all - money & power is what enslave people. People can spend time to enhance their happiness, yet they are doped into thinking more money can make them happier
Yes, you need certain amount of money to survive in a captalist world. But although there is a huge difference between having 10k and having 100k asset. There is little difference between having 10 million and having 100 million
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Well everyone would like create a Facebook-like service and become the youngest billionaire like Zuckerberg did, but there is just too much luck involved. As for making money, everyone wants to make it. I also want to create a service which becomes popular and "the new thing." I want it to succeed and with success, money will more than likely come.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 wh... wh... whaaaat?!??!?! ;( MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE
And some people place a huge emphasize on what other people might be thinking of them. But the truth the more you care, the more likely you are a follower not a leader. The only time a leader would care what people might think is the time (s)he has to use their opinion for his/her advantage and to manipulate.
@AshKetchum Screenshot???? plzzz
04:18
@AshKetchum not everyone
many many people, yes
with the same amount of effort and happiness, more money is better of course
but you tend to forget you are not only changing one variable here (money)
@CCInc Haha I appreciate your eagerness to see it, but its not even complete yet.
Make stuff for Swagfags, that'll get popular quite quickly.
@Magtheridon96 Wait, what?
BTW I am not as 'loserish' as I indicated :p I have traded on the share market and made 10%-15% a year return. Also my investment property is making money. I bought in a development hot spot and I won't be too surprised if it get rezoned in next few years and price double
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Does that classify you as "rich?"
04:24
no
I am poor
Poor as in middle class?
@AshKetchum i don't care, lemem see
@CCInc He doesn't want you stealing his ideas
there is literally nothing to see.
04:25
lol
@AshKetchum Stuff like Instagram gets popular because all the swagfaggots like it
@Borgleader I know you hate me and love to mock me, but please try to be nice to me and I won't talk to you in turn, if that pleases you.
@Magtheridon96 define "swagfaggots"
@AshKetchum Hey that statement was based on your question from the other day when you asked if there was a place you could ask for review on your ideas without people stealing them
@AshKetchum It's hard to define a term that defines itself so I'd rather not :(
lol
@Magtheridon96 I am guessing it refers to those guys who abuse the concept of "swag?"
@AshKetchum Yes
It's young modern idiots who can't stand to be unaccepted in society; thus they use social networking to give themselves a delusion of popularity. But, of course, in reality they are just idiots. </rant>
The thing is, Instagram is already made and there are already tons of services that work similar to it.
Its almost as if whatever you think to make, it is already there.
That's true
04:30
nope, there are plenty of things that has not been made. but it is risky to make them
It's the presentation that matters in cases such as those
because there is little guarantee it would make money
I am strictly talking about web apps (facebook, twitter) or mobile apps (snapchat, instagram)
yes...
lots of my friends are using ask.fm now
Whatever the hell that is.
04:31
same, and IKR
Yay for us smart teenagers.
Pff speak for yourself, I'm not smart
People always tell me I'm smart, but they're just silly :v
You see, I looked at Snapchat, though itd be cool for a video version of snapchat to come out. Guess what? It was already there.
:(
You mean ChatRoulette?
04:34
WhatsApp got popular pretty fast too. It's UI is really nice to look at :o
Or.. just camming?
I KNOW. Maybe the secret is in (sqrt(5) + 1) / 2
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@Magtheridon96 HOLY SHIT I'M GONNA MAKE A FORTUNE OFF OF THAT!!! I CAN' BELIEVE I NEVER HTOUGHT OF THAT!!!
I KNOW RIGHT.
Snapchat and Clipchat.
04:36
FUCK IT, WE'RE SHIPPING THIS THING
Both have video
@Magtheridon96 DAMN RIGHT
Someone suggested Facemash for mobile, but that'd get banned and fall under bullying
like... child prediction? :D
Make a development environment for tablets
I'd buy that
and omg ;_;
Look at the height difference between those buttons ;_;
04:40
@CCInc Facemash. The predecessor to Facebook. Hot or not for mobile. Bullying is a very major thing in U.S. It'd fall under bullying and get banned right away.
@Magtheridon96 What do you mean?
Banned from what? stupid apple devices?
An IDE
WIth a compiler? and for C++?
The code for setting the relative positions of the buttons and the other GUI elements relative to the parent was fucked up enough D:
No, someone would come after me with lawsuits.
04:41
I remember that Light Table IDE looked cool.
04:52
@CCInc @Magtheridon96 @Rapptz I thought about creating a site that would be based on your interest and connect you with people, but that wouldn't work either.
Create an app called (X)My#Swag - where X is any verb you want
And then copy all the source code, rename the application, make minor modifications and ship it again for increased profits
lol
Lol wut
I was talking about that other website
05:15
Oh well, I guess no one wants to talk
> @sehe Your answers have always been great, but lately they are simply amazing. stackoverflow.com/search?q=user:85371+[boost-spirit] is a great learning resource about spirit.
@sehe nice :D
By the way, guess why I said that the idea doesn't work. It's because that is kinda exactly what twitter is.
I'm so glad I made a command prompt accessible from my winlogon desktop.
How do you do that? That could be useful
05:27
Besides being good for testing services, it's nice to be able to kill an application that makes the computer unusable (for a time), which I sometimes make (for fun with friends). I'm not sure why the "Open Task Manager" option doesn't open it on that desktop with user permissions tbh.
@CCInc I replaced utilman.exe. Another common one is sethc.exe. It's password-protected.
Ah. Is there a tutorial/download?
I used to just make a .bat file
almost never blocked
Well, I never saw anyone block it.
I'm sure someone did somewhere though.
I can't seem to find the source for mine, but it was just a simple keyboard hook that kept track of a password and, if entered, ran a command prompt. It was started by winlogon, so the command prompt gains some nice permissions. You can start the normal version of the program you replace, too, and end yours when a wrong character is typed.
I don't really plan on anyone seeing my replaced file anyway, so I'm not really worrying about that too much.
And don't tell anyone, but the same trick worked at school.
Quite sad, I know. They know about it, but I doubt they'll ever fix it.
Would anyone happen to know about code injection and editing the memory of a running program? gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/59176/…
@Walkerneo I've done it before, but every time I come back to that, I have no idea what I'm doing, really.
Wikipedia finally added edit section.
..It's only on some pages.
What the hell
Oh I'm not logged on. Example
06:13
@ScottW Break a leg!
Function aliasing. Probably a bad idea :)
@StackedCrooked That can be expanded on to have some use, but it alone probably is, yes.
You don't want to know how many bad ideas I've had.
Speaking of which, I should get back to that sed thingy. I keep finding other things to do, but that was fun.
06:51
yeah... I should probably start doing more exercise
@StackedCrooked why? it's only troublesome if the lifetime of A ends before B is used
(Oh and the obvious "evil macro" thing of course, but that's not central to the idea here)
07:09
anyone home?
JBL
JBL
Mornin' Lounge.
@ScottW oh baby
Anyone who thinks Apple knows how to design products clearly hasn't used iTunes
JBL
JBL
@TonyTheLion It's horrible, and people still use it.
good design right there
@TonyTheLion: hhaahahahaha
07:24
I don't like their products as it is, but iTunes is an abomination. Worse than Java, some might say.
And Java tries to get you to install adware in its installer.
@chris: Yea, I mean the macs are pretty good, but I gotta say iTunes just sucks.
Which it makes you use at least once a week.
Less than two weeks, and I don't think I'll need Java for anything anymore :)
6 hours ago, by ThePhD
@CatPlusPlus is the king of laziness. @TonyTheLion is the king of porn. :D
lolwat
@TonyTheLion he makes a good point :P
@TonyTheLion: Feeling naughty lately Tony?
07:29
@EtiennedeMartel I still have no idea what you mean by this
user142019
Morning.
@GamesBrainiac oh yea baby
@thecoshman FFS
@rightfold Afternoon
@sehe Functions don't have lifetime iirc.
o_o flights to Canada are expensive man
user142019
Functions aren't objects.
07:33
@thecoshman depends on where you're starting from
@jalf ¬_¬ indeed
but yeah, I agree :)
why are you going to Canada?
hopefully going
user142019
hookers
In process of getting a job there :D
@rightfold shh
user142019
07:36
ssh hooker@canada
@thecoshman cool. Where @EtiennedeMartel works?
ssh hooker@canada:rear
@jalf that's the plan
o_0 it's like two or three hundred cheap if I went to London first... and changed in Casablanca
that is with nearly a full day in the damn sweat box that is Africa
user142019
Etienne de Coshman
Etienne de slap you around the chops!
I can't sleep.
But when I shouldn't be sleeping, I can't keep my eyes open.
Why am I being tortured like this.
07:46
Because you write too much UB
I just don't know what to say ... here
LHR to Montreal return you can get for £550
@thecoshman What even?
I just noticed that uint32_t and unsigned have the same length (9 characters).
Oops, it's 8 characters.
JBL
JBL
@thecoshman I like the fact that the step right before C is Brainfuck.
07:51
@StackedCrooked No, it's 9 with the null terminator.
Ah, I'm saved :)
@thecoshman airlines are bastards. Always try to wiggle the date around some, try a few days earlier (or later, if that's an option), and see how that changes the price
@jalf yeah I see that. Well, it's for the job... so it would be fairly normal for them to pay for relocation... no?
@TonyTheLion it's a PITA that you can't see all these flights, I can fly to London for about 100 tops, so getting a connecting flight like that is not a problem.
@thecoshman I'd assume so, yeah
08:01
that said @tony, that site actually offers good prices from Dublin too
@StackedCrooked I know right, why do you tell me this? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
@rightfold But object (rerefence)s can be passed into ALIAS
@chris sadly, the NUL char is not acceptable in C++ source
user142019
> sadly
user142019
It's sad that tabs are acceptable.
Some douche of a big bug decided it would be fun to randomly fly into my face at 4 in the morning while I was coding.
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08:13
^ occupational hazard
@sehe Could be worse - an occupational buzzard.
Lol, geez.
That bug, what an asshole.
Couldn't just stay by the window.
It deserves the death penalty for this.
Death-By-Swatter
08:20
Call potato-swatter
@jalf hahaha
@jalf Good old Linus.
if we use SEME, do we really need else? we always can write void f() { if(p) { ...; return; } ...; }
JBL
JBL
08:33
> Those lucky refugees went to OUTER SPACE to escape Ohio, middle fingers raised all the way to the moon.
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Lol
@jalf Oh ? I didn't know that Linux versions had such fancy names.
@Abyx You don't need else even without that. if(x){...} if (!x) {/* this is your else*/}
@JBL I think it's just their for-fun code names. Like Ubuntu releases are always codenamed Perverted Panda or Sick Sealion or something
@jalf this violates DRY and requires more code to read/write
Grumpy Goat
@Abyx But you asked whether we needed else. We obviously don't. :)
the rest is just a matter of convenience. And else is convenient even if you use multiple exits
maybe. I just doubted it for a moment
But yeah, I see no case where you couldn't, with enough effort, replace any if/else with a functioncall-if-return
08:45
> If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
heh
lua anyone
Bartek is good with Lua
@jalf lol
09:05
@ThePhD stupid bugs...I wouldn't even mind them, if they didn't buzz around driving me nuts
@ThePhD omigosh, STL replied to my bug report :O
@melak47 You should send in a bug report for his name.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "STL broken" ? or what :p
@melak47 so what did he say?
"will be fixed in an unspecified and not-yet-announced future release"?
@jalf that the bug was fixed by the compiler team, and will be available in VS 2013 RTM. IOW, pay for your bugfixes, again :(
@melak47 Why the frowny face? I would have expected it to go in 2014 RTM
09:19
@melak47 "New: Your mum didn't call you Stephan Thomas David Lavavej Iago Benjamin [critical]"
It's pretty rare that they fix bugs in products after they've been named and announced. It's usually "a future release", or if you're lucky, "the next release" (when no "next" release has been announced at that point)
because VS 2013 Preview was free, and now I have to "pay" (read: mooch from MSDNAA) for it to be fixed :p
@melak47 Yes, but this is Microsoft, that goes without saying. ;)
@melak47 It does cheese me off. I frankly couldn't care less about whether the next VS release is called VS 2012 SP2 or VS2013, but what I do care about is the cost since I was kinda hoping to get those C++11 features for free.
Although there's always VS2013 Express
but yeah, VS2012 is the first VS release I've skipped entirely, both at home and at work
09:21
@jalf as long as I get the ultimate, premium and fabulous editions free from msdnaa, I'm gonna use them :D
@melak47 ah right, I didn't get the MSDNAA part
(I still have my MSDNAA account, don't tell anyone)
haha
yeah, but I'm pretty sure that your university/etc has to keep paying for you to use it, and if they stop, you stop getting access.
I still have an MSDNAA account but pretty sure I can't use it anymore to get new MS stuff
nuwen.net/stl.html wtf is this and how come he's so young
although on that, I actually have no idea how I ended up with VS2012.
maybe I torrented it?
or, I think I might have gotten lucky and grabbed it from MSDNAA right before it expired.
09:24
@DeadMG mine is still active and updated
lucky you :P
ah well
No clue how it works behind the scenes, but I'm guessing my uni just didn't press the red button :p
I'm hardly a stranger to visiting The Pirate Bay for my software
I got an email at my uni while I was still in school, which entitled me to MSDNAA access back in...2006? didn't expire until 2009. I have so many useless XP, vista and windows server product keys...
I am using my AA windows and VS too
09:27
I'm still using MSDNAA Windows 7.
but it certainly helps that Windows 8 was shit.
Still? There's no new windows after 7
there's 8.1~
er
Windows 8 shipped like, ages ago.
he can't hear you
I can't hear you
09:29
his invisible force field is deflecting anything win8 related :)
lol
My coworkers have to use it time to time and I wish no one that experience
does microsoft see the number of downloads that go through msdnaa? they must see that even people who get it for free don't want it
Also if not for VM crashes, I'd be already on OSX
@melak47 What do you think 8.1 is intended to address?
09:32
@DeadMG but simply adding a stupid button that takes you to the start screen won't help anything
it does if you simply don't click it.
also, win8 needs moar candies. the windows all look like cardboard boxes, barely edible!
I don't believe so.
(d.*f) o.O
09:34
never seen PTMF syntax before?
apparently not
(thing.(dereferenced member function pointer))()? or what
std::function is preferred anyway
PTMFs suck
So you rarely need to use PTMF.
And I always spend 5 minutes figuring out the syntax.
std::bind would have been better in that situation
09:40
simple, just use C. no classes, no members, no headache!
@StackedCrooked d.Base::test(); that's it
auto f = std::bind(&Base::test, &d); f();
@ArneMertz Yes, but you're not using f here.
@Rapptz yes that works
auto f = [&](){d.Base::test();}; :P
or more like you PTMF: auto f = [](Base& b){b.Base::test();}; f(d);
09:49
@ArneMertz PTMF?
Pointer To Member Function
Parametrized Template Meta-Fuckery?
oh
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A: What is our policy on strong language in chat used in good humor, and flags on said language?

Lightness Races in OrbitAdding to Wesley's excellent answer, if flags were room-specific, then you wouldn't get one misled sap flagging the f-word in, say, The C++ Lounge, and thereby inviting 20 people from some non-swearing room to approve it and get the original poster a 30 minute chat ban. Such a ban would be comple...

I got a chat ban for saying "beating n*gg*rs" the other day. I think I deserved that one :v
Why is Java filled with Buzzwords?
09:53
@TonyTheLion because Java implements BuzzwordFactory
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@TonyTheLion would there be anything left without them?
Hmmm, valid points
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh this discussion again sigh
@Rapptz Actually it only works if you pass &b instead of &d.

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