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6:49 AM
Another !tidyverse" question that could do with some help from anyone - user specifically says only tidyverse solutions:
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Q: Insert Separator in glue_data using magrittr

user4687531I am building up a simple INSERT INTO query from a data frame as with the toy example: library(datasets) library(magrittr) library(reprex) insert_into_01 <- "INSERT INTO teams (mpg, cyl, disp, hp, drat)\nVALUES" # The separator does not get inserted at the end of each () line insert_into_02 <...

 
 
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12:46 PM
They may think they want a tidyverse/glue solution, but it would be better/safer to use DBI instead of building SQL by hand (which is perilous)
 
Four close votes needed for 'write me a pony': stackoverflow.com/questions/47326619/…
 
1:12 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel they seem confused about what they actually want. It would be nice to provide a comment indicating what the problem with their question is
 
1:22 PM
@hadley It looks to me @Roland had done so and you just repeated it with a link and more verbosity.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel I think you are implying that verbosity is unhelpful, but for new users it think it is useful to be explicit. I didn't know what an "XY problem" is, so I had to google it. #savedyouagoogle
 
@hadley If that is how you choose to read it... But what I am saying is repeatition does not add new information. Which is why we close duplicates here on SO rather than answering them again with more verbosity.
 
1:38 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel I think the situation with duplicates is different because it provides a link to a helpful question + answer pairing.
@DirkEddelbuettel I read "This looks like an xy problem ..." and I did not understand what it meant. I'm an experienced question asker so I guessed that googling might help. Even saying "XY problem" would be helpful as it makes it clear that it's a defined term, and provides more hints that it's something you should google for
 
@hadley Let's just agree to disagree. I asked for a four close votes, I got them. I did not solicit your opinion on either the state of the world, or SO in general, or anything else for that matter. This discussion adds no value here but clutters a timeline for everybody, just how your comment repeated the same information. If you think we need to continue this is private you know where to find me.
 
1:51 PM
@hadley Ultimately the problem is that it was a poorly asked question. The closed reason provides some details for how to ask the question better. If we could make it one-click-easy to provide friendly and helpful feedback to people about bad questions then this would resolve a lot of the apparent friction on this topic. Problem is that the sheer number of poorly asked questions here will erode the patience of even the friendliest and best-natured person.
Believe it or not @DirkEddelbuettel used to be bright-eyed-bushy-tailed friendly but years of exposure to bad questions on SO have scoured all that away and we now have @DirkEddelbuettel as he is today (okay, maybe not).
;)
 
@BrodieG I guess I don't really understand the reason for closing questions. Why not just downvote and move on? There are so many badly asked questions that it feels like a lot of unnecessary stress to ensure everyone is closed.
 
@hadley A quixotic venture to teach people how to ask better questions, I'd say. Assume that after seeing 500 bad questions you no longer have the energy to write a long helpful comment, then at least you can give some semi-useful feedback via close.
 
@BrodieG that makes sense, thanks for the explanation!
 
2:10 PM
I always viewed it as the "dual" to being able to wiki-edit questions and improve them. By pruning crap we get a higher signal/noise ratio here. Hence close, and then delete. As for the Q you commented on: we all missed what Romain pointed out: a dupe. So that one had twice the reasons to be closed.
 
2:23 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel Yes, remember the point of stackoverflow is not to help the person asking the question, but to help the 2472 other people who will have the same question in the future.
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2:53 PM
Does google systematically down rank questions with negative score? Or does SO automatically tag with no-index?
 
3:04 PM
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Q: SEO in Stack Overflow

juanWe've been out of private beta for only two days, and stackoverflow.com is already ranking high in Google Search. Are there any specific techniques applied in the site? I've been researching the subject for some time and haven't found it to be so easy. Searching 'stackoverflow' even returns sit...

not gospel, but mentions a few relevances
but relevant to the previous discussion, there's about 50 dupes there on meta for "how does my SO question appear on google 1 minute after posting?"
 
 
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5:48 PM
@hadley Closed questions get auto-deleted after some time. And of course, I'm of the opinion that I'm not obliged to write any comments. So, giving OP a hint is better than nothing. Of course, your comment is nicer but I really didn't have time for more.
 
6:12 PM
@Roland I didn't know that - is that for all closed questions or just a subset of the close reasons?
 
no mention of auto delete here: stackoverflow.com/help/deleted-questions
except: Additionally, any answer that accumulates enough offensive or spam flags will be automatically deleted.
and some mroe details here which dont seem to clarify much:
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Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

jjnguyWhat circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does deletion mean for a post? How do votes to delete wo...

 
6:42 PM
@Spacedman There are bots at work on at least some Stack Exchange sites: on Cross Validated the Community bot will refresh the activity time on old posts that didn't get much attention and then delete (or do something with them) if no further activity happen.
 
7:03 PM
@Spacedman stackoverflow.com/help/roomba i guess they should've linked there
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7:39 PM
@Roland I think your comment would have been ok if you'd just added a bit more context
@Roland I'm also frequently guilty of this, but often it's better to say nothing at all than to provide a very brief response, because often that response is misunderstood and then you end up spending more time on it than you saved in the first place (like in this thread 😉)
 
8:14 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel @RomanLuštrik could we change the room message to point to GMTs rather than R-public? There's more action there. (Please at least change chatrooms to chatroom so the message is grammatically correct)
 
@hadley "Rather" ? Why not both? (Which is what we had until very recently when some GMT'er asked to remove AFAIK)
 
@DirkEddelbuettel both also seems fine
@DirkEddelbuettel But maybe I've fundamentally misunderstood the purpose of GMTs
 
9:02 PM
@hadley Still unsure, and I will defer to the GMTs folks to say if they want to be listed. Their voice carries more weight in the matter.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel agreed. They have an even less informative description.
 
9:46 PM
here's another untidy [tidyverse] Q for everyone to have a little look at.
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Q: How to add lists to a tibble

user2035177I am defining two functions as follows: load <- function(rate, servicetime){ # Calculates Offered Load in Erlang # rate: Rate of arrivals # servicetime: Mean time for service a = rate * servicetime return(list(load = a, rate = rate, servicetime = servicetime)) } erlang.C <- ...

Should "RStudio is broken" questions be redirected to RStudio support services? e.g
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Q: R studio blank upon opening (AFTER Win7 update)

BeginnerI tried different things (reinstalled ... etc)! Is there a special correctional program for this problem? or can I launch Rstudio from RGui(32bit)? or something radical? Thanks!

 
10:16 PM
@Spacedman yes, definitely. I know our support staff do look in on SO from time to time, but not regularly
 
Well @DavidRobinson being as excellent at text processing and analysis as he is, maybe he can build a big fat pipe to send all that traffix to your site.
Then again SO is in the business of maximising eye balls here on their site, not in the redirection business.
More seriously: RSS subscriptions to tags works very well. Maybe suggest they subscribe to a few tags.
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