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3:13 AM
@Nils technically MSPaint is built on GDI or D2D not DX11
 
 
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user7659542
6:09 AM
Can you call yourself an embedded developer if you are writing code for x86?
 
6:44 AM
Yes, except when you talk to other experienced embedded developers.
 
@traducerad If it's an 80186 in a laser printer, with your code running on bare hardware, sure. If it's an i7 running full Linux "embedded" primarily by virtue of "do not use" labels next to console port(s), probably not. Between those extremes, there are quite a few possibilities where the answers are more difficult to determine.
 
It's like I call myself an ocean swimmer because I used to swim in the ocean a lot. Most other people agree so. One day I met a surf rescue screw member, she told me I am not exactly an ocean swimmer because I mainly swim near the beaches.
 
user7659542
7:10 AM
@JerryCoffin I m writing PCIe kernel space drivers. Other people are writing applications in userland which does a bunch of calculations
 
user7659542
The system is actually like a car with a centralized x86 CPU. I write low level drivers on the CPU other ppl do the rest
 
user7659542
Besides that I feel like the frontier of embedded-PC is really very blurry
 
@traducerad I think of driver development as mostly separate from embedded, but others probably differ on that.
 
user7659542
what is it according to you, if driver dev is not embedded?
 
@traducerad I'd just call it driver development.
 
user7659542
7:15 AM
@TelKitty lol, that's a very australian analogy.
 
7:29 AM
@Nils Use Qt
@traducerad Kernel Developers >> Embedded
I think we've had this discussion before, but embedded developers all suck and smell bad and get paid less, and probably have an EE degree
 
user7659542
@Mikhail what do u mean?
 
Knowing how to write a Linux driver requires more specialized knowledge than turning on a LED on a PIC
@JerryCoffin
 
@Mikhail Cute
 
user7659542
@Mikhail I totally agree
 
I think most people would count PC/104 industry automation stuff to be embedded
and most of those as x86
 
7:42 AM
Yeah the definition of embedded is pretty clear, its a computer that is embedded as part of a larger system.
I got some pretty bullshit reviews from Nature Communications on my latest paper
Like it might get accepted but I'm deeply chagrined by the low quality of the reviews
First dude said everything was fine (which is sad). Second dude went on a rant about how deep convolutional neural networks weren't "AI" because they did not exhibit true intelligence. Now I gotta explain to the editor that our artificial intelligence is for a "specific task" rather than "general intelligence". The guy is basically disappointed I made an instrument to image cells and not an instrument that can understand the meaning of love.
Also waited for 4 months for this garbage, while our competition keeps publishing.
Also you can't or shouldn't argue with your reviews, so I need to somehow incorporate this guys completely garbage comments into my revision. (There were a few other garbage comments).
 
Sometimes I think calling my group 'A.I. in Robotics' a bit of a scam. It's actually Calculated Decision Making in Robotics.
But you know, right keywords attract the crowd.
Growing a group is like renting out property, is like app publishing - all about strategy. To achieve the best for yourself while helping the other party to achieve their goals.
 
user7659542
@Mikhail so that means an x86 in a car running Ubuntu is embedded. And therefor someone writing a Qt app on that embedded PC is an embedded dev.
 
Sadly yes
Please have some unsolicited qt advertising material qt.io/product/develop-embedded-devices
But for real, the meaning of embedded doesn't exceed the definition supplied by the OED
Half the confusion here is that you have embedded devices but embedded developer is a developer for embedded devices as opposed to some kind of cancerous implant
 
user7659542
that's deffinitely not how I would see it. I consider 2 things ambedded: someone writing code on a microcontroller and someone who writes low level software (eg kernel space drivers) on a CPU
 
Well you're wrong, take a look at wikipedia
An embedded system is a computer system—a combination of a computer processor, computer memory, and input/output peripheral devices—that has a dedicated function within a larger mechanical or electrical system.[1][2]
`Ein eingebettetes System (auch englisch embedded system) ist ein elektronischer Rechner oder auch Computer, der in einen technischen Kontext eingebunden (eingebettet) ist.`
 
user7659542
7:58 AM
Yhea I know but the thought of someone who writes a JAVA app on an x86 inside a car being an embedded dev saddens me
 
Its worse if they use that reduced version of Java that runs in SIM cards
 
user7659542
you can even have webservers, angularJS and so on on that same x86 if you want, but that is not what is meant by embedded typically
 
Welp, PC/104 shows that it isn't restricted to "microcontrollers".
 
user7659542
also, an embedded dev is typically someone who has to take hardware into consideration somehow
 
user7659542
be it memory addressing, registers, perihpherals, other HW on that same pcb etc
 
8:02 AM
Well, there is a way to generalize it more. Unlike more general developers, embedded developers know where their device will be embedded and can optimize accordingly. For example, they can optimize for power, speed or cost. Also if you're writing qt code for a 8 cm TFT you know you only need one supported screen size.
 
user7659542
@TelKitty bargaining?
 
user7659542
how many days of vacations do American SW engineers typically have/take?
 
user7659542
30/year?
 
Hard to say, 30 is not unheard of. I've seen some wacky shit at well funded large "startup" like companies (Uber, etc) including taking a month off because your boss can't fire you anyways :-)
 
user7659542
8:07 AM
I took 5 so far this year (due to covid), +/-12 last year and +/- 12 the year before that
 
user7659542
If it were possible I'd take none
 
Welp, COVID shouldn't count towards your days...
 
user7659542
@Mikhail I m a freelancer, so one of my clients closed its offices for 5 days
 
user7659542
Many people argue that working more than 210 days/year is not healthy nor sustainable
 
Oh, thats what you mean
Yeah, so people that do freelance typically like it beacuse they can take a lot of time off. Like skip a month deal...
Anyways, one good strategy is to work slower so that you have more time in your frame of reference compared to your faster colleagues
 
user7659542
8:10 AM
I do exactly the opposite. I work as many days as I can to earn the most I can, because I know one day will come that I will not have a project for some time or be able to bill as much
 
user7659542
I'd like to buy a building with multiple apartments (3-4) in a couple of years. So I can live of the rent and slow down work a bit as well
 
Well, thats not really what freelancing is about. If you're not going to exploit the scheduling advantage, or something else maybe get a more stable job?
 
user7659542
No
 
user7659542
I tripled my wage by going freelance
 
user7659542
this is not the US.
 
user7659542
8:14 AM
I don't know how wage differs between freelancers and employees in the US (I have the impression the difference is not that big). But here it is very big.
 
Tripling your wages sounds incongruent with not being able to afford to take days off. Maybe in some 3rd world country...
 
user7659542
@Mikhail it s about having different goals and a point of vieuw.
 
user7659542
I'll take more days off once I reach the goals I set to myself
 
user7659542
@Mikhail Western Europe is not a 3rd world region
 
user7659542
I understand what you mean. Many freelancers do take more days off and use that flexibility, but I don't see myself doing that yet
 
user7659542
8:16 AM
@Mikhail I am totally able to take more days off, but don't want to
 
If it makes you feel any better I usually don't work 4/5 hours a day, and work almost every day in recent memory. Although I've had more days off. But that has a lot to do with being in academia.
 
user7659542
@Mikhail a top athlete can't always be at peak performance
 
In my case I can do many kinds of work at "my job", including coding, running experiments, killing animals, teaching kids, and writing. I can't do any one of them for a long time but somehow doing two or three a day doesn't burn me out as much.
 
user7659542
time to get back to reading
 
user7659542
Still don't fully understand what kernel objects and classes are in the kernel
 
8:27 AM
You mean loadable kernel objects and device classes?
 
user7659542
yep
 
those are pretty basic concepts :-)
 
user7659542
I know :p
 
ugg, just run some dudes hello world :-)
 
user7659542
but I have used them in the past without properly understanding them
 
8:31 AM
My goal in life is to find work so interesting and worthy that I am willing to spend everyday of the year working on it. But I am a cheetah who have tasted top grade wagyu and freshest wild salmon. Most rotten rats would not interest me. People still insult me nowadays by wagging rotten rats in front of me and tell me 'if you are good enough, you might even get it!'. I just want to tell them: 'LOL, gtfo!'
 
user7659542
I feel like kobject is a generic datastructure in the kernel about which one should (almost never care). A device driver you write is a type of kernel object.
A class is a group of kernel objects of the same type, ie different drivers for different types of I2C slaves belong to the same class.
 
user7659542
Classes are visible in /sys/classes
 
user7659542
that's my understanding of it so far
 
user7659542
@TelKitty wagyu must taste really very nice on a barbecue...
 
Or in beef noodle soup.
But yes, they taste nice on barbecue.
 
user7659542
8:35 AM
barbecue next to that one bananatree
 
user7659542
in your garden in Australia
 
user7659542
when r u going to invite us for some barbecued wagyu in your garden?
 
user7659542
@Mikhail what do you consider a much more advanced concept?
 
Well, things that I don't understand I consider advanced
So, stuff I haven't touched like networking
But in reality there is a lot of stuff that I could imagine myself writing but suspect the details may be difficult
graphics also
Other advanced, ancillary concepts include static analysis
 
Don't think travel restriction will be lifted anytime soon. But you are welcome to visit me on the rural property. It can fit more than 80 people with 400 square metres each person.
 
user7659542
8:44 AM
@TelKitty 400m2 you re either a farmer who writes sw on the side or a very rich sw engineer who has bought a farm
 
user7659542
I would not be able to affors 80*400m² in a lifetime where I live
 
Rural area tends to be not expensive per square metres wise.
 
user7659542
@Mikhail like x11 and xcb?
 
Well, so x11 isn't really part of the kernel, but sure
 
user7659542
@TelKitty but still. In my area outside the city it is somewhere around 400€/m². So 400€x80x400 = too much money for me
 
user7659542
8:56 AM
The cheapest land in our country according to info from online is 51€/m², which would still cost more than 1M€
 
@Mikhail I thought about this but then you still would have to use Metal or OpenGL for custom drawing if you want hardware acceleartion.
 
 
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10:51 AM
"Map of a map of a map of a map..."
 
nwp
"... is isomorphic to a single map of a tuple to values"
 
11:42 AM
@traducerad Yep, you'd be surprised where x86 shows up, usually a VIA/Cyrix CPU
 
 
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1:42 PM
Google Search on "q4_WCE Macro"
**sigh* Sometimes the odd questions a programmer asks...
 
and people wonder why I hate autotools
because the documentation is written in a horridly arcane way and isn't easily searchable
 
"About 0 results"
I don't even know what q4_WCE is but it's a macro that's in my code for some reason... :{
 
2:13 PM
Check around for m4 files
bets are it's a local macro
 
3:20 PM
@Mgetz 👍
 
 
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4:57 PM
@Lapys q4_WCE is used by the illuminati
 
 
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6:37 PM
Yayy! Just finished my Exception and File "API". Onto the Process "API"
Then the Array and String "API"s
Gonna be a lot of updates when pushing to GitHub
 
 
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8:19 PM
@Nils Nope. All widget kits on modern computers use gpu accelerated backends. In the case of Qt you can choose the backend. As a fun thing you can actually use functions like QPainter on your programs opengl buffers giving you an easy way to draw high quality shapes and text.
What's more fun is that since Vista (wddm) most desktop drawing ultimately goes through hardware accelerated apis
 
@Mikhail except GTK in quite a few cases
I really should switch to kubuntu for my ubuntu install
 
user7659542
8:51 PM
See this is precisely what I hate when trying to learn stuff about kernel dev properly: contradictions, deprecated stuff and unclear documentation (IMO)

So I have to register a device so you see it in /sys. What am I supposed to use?
I found:

- int device_register(struct device * dev), which can be found on kernel.org and is explained in my book
- register_chrdev, which cannot be found on kernel.org but is explained in the book I am reading and used in online examples apparently
- __register_chrdev: which can be found on kernel.org, but as it is prefixed with a double underscore smth tell
 
user7659542
So I tried looking into device_register, but it takes a very large struct as parameter. Issue is I think I don't need all the fields of that struct and it is not clear which functions from the kernel I am supposed to use to obtain the right values for that struct.
 
user7659542
Where am I supposed to find that info? It is not explained in the book I am reading and examples online differ greatly
 
user7659542
OK I think I found which function I should use and how to initialize the parameter. But where does one find most of the info? I feel like often kernel.org lacks explanation
 
10:35 PM
 
11:15 PM
My PC is so "fast", it runs at 60 SPF
 
11:31 PM
@Mgetz Yeah I prefer kde for all my Linux boxes. I think this really highlights that the Linux user land is so fucked (15 years behind?) that everybody running Linux should switch the Android's userland.
 

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