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1:32 AM
Recently, I watched a video based on a sci-fi novella written some 20 years ago. It's about a lousy mathematician professor who is also a mediocre philosopher, he had a vision. He doped some small oil rich nation into sponsor him. Together with a bunch of scientists, many of whom were even worse than him, they made a spaceship that can travel at the speed of light. The world rejoiced that this news. Then the spaceship created a black hole that eventually swallowed earth.
Imagine when you use your sarcasm to write a whole novella ...
I would rate it as one of the best sci-fi novella ever.
 
 
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3:13 AM
Can I get some code review on this? https://pastebin.com/raw/xSSeXxWr
This is the part of my code where I add 300 widgets, and it takes around 10 seconds. Would be nice to somehow speed it up. Trying to figure out what the time intensive part is. Disabling and enabling updated, or hiding the widget doesn't do anything.
 
3:26 AM
So, each item takes 10 ms to insert, and there are 900 items
 
 
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5:13 AM
Pause the debugger during the slow part and see what the code is doing.
 
5:35 AM
Widgets aren't really all that lightweight. I guess profiling is always necessary, but have you tried ruling out the layout? So, adding to the layout in a tight loop instead of allocating, creating and adding in the same loop. Or nesting layouts instead of trying to put it all in one huge layout
If the Widgets are just too heavy then you'll just have to use something more lightweight like a QGraphicsScene
 
 
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nwp
7:26 AM
The Qt maintenance tool now requires admin rights to do updates. Rip ever updating again.
 
7:51 AM
@nwp lol
 
8:07 AM
is there a method that will parse a nested array of maps or map of arrays so I can see it's contents
without having to do all that work myself
 
@Mikhail if you have a grid layout you can fake it using a table and a itemModel, then you don't need to create widgets at all, only a renderer that can use your data and a type that QVariant can pass around
you can also do some bulk updating with that
 
Yeah. There's plenty of stuff you can do if you're a little creative and willing to get your hands dirty.
 
@Rick parse in which context? Like serialize and deserialize into a file? Or are you talking about visualizing it in a debugger?
 
@PeterT visualizing
 
like gdb or visual studio/windbg?
 
8:25 AM
@PeterT visual studio
 
I wonder, I mean for like classic arrays you can use the "pointer, length" thing in the watch window, or natvis things. But I don't think I've seen good nested structure visualizers in it
 
visual studio has capability to parse structures and show the logical view instead of the actual data, though I don't know how to access it
 
I've been compiling in the windows linux sub-system, and the intellisense is really good detecting errors in the structure. But sometimes you just want to see the data.
and how it's nested
 
right, that's the natvis stuff, but they mostly would still have the "tree view" thing where you have to open all the sub-trees one-by-one which doesn't sound like what's needed here
maybe there's a debug visualizer for it though. I mean things like ImageWatch can vizualize image-data so there could be something out there for nested stuff
 
nwp
I like how you asked about parsing nested arrays and your actual question has nothing to do with parsing nested arrays.
 
8:35 AM
@nwp I said nested arrays of maps or maps of arrays, I was referring to mixed nested structures of different object types
 
nwp
That has nothing to do with my point.
Communication seems to be really difficult again today.
 
 
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1:51 PM
 
 
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4:30 PM
Is it safe to assume that if a project compiles with gcc, it will compile with Visual Studio?
 
@Sailanarmo only if you use the gcc to compile with Visual Studio. If you want to use Visual C++ then it's not safe to assume at all
 
@Sailanarmo Are you talking about C code or C++? The answer is "no", in both cases, but the reasoning behind it (largely) changes.
 
c++ code
 
@Sailanarmo why don't you use the Linux subsystem on windows and use gcc that way. That's what I do.
 
@Rick I trying to port over a code base from wxWidgets to QT. It was previously compiled with VS, however, I am using both the MSVC and MinGW64. After some tweeks, the code compiled on the MSVC compiler, and then when I switched to MinGW64, I had errors. I then fixed those errors and both live happily now. However, I was wondering if I stuck to MinGW that maybe it would compile happily in MSVC.
 
4:46 PM
Nah, there's no way to be sure without compiling with both. If you don't want to do it manually there's plenty of CIs build bots available nowadays
 
Are they tied with git?
I might go that route tbh
 
@Sailanarmo In the case of C++, there are a couple of different kinds of problems that can and do arise. One is that gcc supports some non-standard extensions that any conforming compiler must reject--and even though it's not strictly conforming (by any means) VC++ rejects it. VC++ also has a number of bugs, so it rejects a fair amount of code that is correct, but uses things (especially with templates) that it doesn't implement correctly.
 
reee windows
 
@Sailanarmo lol no
@JerryCoffin This is less of an issue than it was in the past, at least if you're using a newer version
 
They're rarely exclusive to git repos. You also don't need to use online services. I've used both Teamcity and Jenkins on local machines for different projects
 
4:48 PM
@Sailanarmo Some (most?) of them are, so a push will automatically kick off a build.
 
Do these work well when cross compiling projects?
 
they work, I wouldn't cross-compile to windows, just isn't worth the trouble
 
@Sailanarmo Most people I've seen don't cross-compile--they spin up a virtual machine and do a native compile.
 
You should just stick with Linux and work on Linux for development. If I had to worry about windows and all its issues, that's where all my development time would go, waste of time.
 
@Rick every time I see this I want to add an asterisk "Only true for a given distro and version"
windows despite it's headaches is actually a LOT easier to develop for in most cases
 
4:53 PM
Well, it's a QT project. It is supposed to compiled to Windows, OSX, and Linux.
 
I don't have to worry about having QT/GTK/Gnome installed, I have a windowing library that is sane, I have real decent 3d support... etc
 
@Mgetz it's easier as a GUI true, which is why I love the new Linux subsystem.
 
@Rick it can also outperform linux at most tasks if configured and used correctly
Userspace sockets? OH RIGHT I don't need to compile a kernel module for that
Async IO that makes sense... yup
are there things that could be better... oh heck yeah
don't get me started on how hard SChannel is to use and how there are no good examples on MS' website
 
WSL faster than native linux? Huh that's new to me. Especially the io benchmarks I've seen were significantly worse. But I guess that was a while ago
 
you're probably right. Most of the time I just want to move on and get things done. I hate worrying about the development box.
 
4:58 PM
@Mgetz Obviously we need to develop a new OS with the advantages of both Windows and Linux...
 
@Rick also the biggest advantage windows has is binary portability
I don't have to ask if a program will run on a different windows box because of a different gcc version
tbh it's also really annoying to have to check that your libc is installed...
but it was actually the better solution as garbage as it is
 
well it'll probably be a while until/if WSL will ever have accelerated GPU access, so I'll probaby keep using it just for bash and some minimal gcc tests
 
@PeterT for?
 
The usual stuff image processing and 3D data processing
especially CUDA will probably never be accessible
 
yeah that would require much deeper processing than just api call translation
mostly because windows doesn't' natively support OpenGL really
 
5:08 PM
Yeah, and the GUI will have OpenGL functionality inside of it. I am just trying to figure out the most sane way to develop this that won't cause me to blow my brains out.
 
@PeterT One of these days, I think I should write up a proposal to nVidia (or maybe AMD) about a virtual GPU mode, on the same general order as V86 mode on an x86.
 
there are GPU virtualization technologies, they're used for virtual machines in data centers
 
there are, there is also ANGLE
but it's kinda pointless because the drivers DO implement OpenGL
 
@PeterT I'm aware. But I think it needs to be directly supported in the hardware to provide most of what people actually want.
 
I did mean hardware support, not just the IOMMU stuff where you pass-through the GPU but other stuff to share it
 
5:13 PM
@JerryCoffin so almost every display driver on windows has an openGL implementation that is 'native'
 
well just having a driver is one thing, having an actually well behaving one is another. The shit Intel put out used to be atrocious, they did everything to pass the D3D conformance test but their OpenGL support was basically just to get the checkbox. No clue how they fare more recently
I mean it's at least a little on Khronos for not actually having a conformance test suite for the longest time
 
5:39 PM
@PeterT Their D3D has historically been much the same, but MS basically threatened them pretty hard
 
yeah, "you can't get your chips into the new Vista/Win7/Win8 machines unless you fix your shit" will do that to an OEM
 
6:02 PM
@PeterT In fairness I feel obliged to point out that this was a preexisting condition that was handed to Khronos.
@Paragoumba 'lo.
 
6:28 PM
I'm conflicted should you always use size_t given the opportunity
by opportuinity I mean, use it by default unless a condition arises not to do so.
 
@Rick No. You should use size_t only when (more or less) forced by an API, such as "that's what foo::size() returns". More generally, the primary use for unsigned types in general as a "bag of bits", or when you really need its specific wraparound behavior on arithmetic (which isn't often, at least in my experience).
 
Thank god, the posts on here made it seem like it was a necessity stackoverflow.com/questions/131803/unsigned-int-vs-size-t
 
pretty much, you almost never need to represent all the bytes in a system
 
@JerryCoffin Then I'm the biggest offender of that. :)
 
The alternative to size_t is int or int64_t (just to be sure). And then every time you have something like if (my_int64_value < vec.size()) you'll get a compiler warning about signed vs unsigned comparison.
 
6:37 PM
that said Puppy and I disagree vehemently about using exactly sized types
 
Since I almost exclusively use size_t (or some typedef of it) unless it makes better sense to use something else.
 
@StackedCrooked I swear to god if I see int64_t on a 32bit build...
 
@Mgetz Why?
int64_t is supported on 32-bit platforms, not?
 
@Mysticial Oh, you're one of those "Make size_t great again" types...
 
@StackedCrooked it is via emulation in some cases, it's a lot slower and the 32bit ops are much faster
it's why I disagree with Puppy, I think you should use natural types in most cases unless you know they are too small
 
6:40 PM
@Mgetz Well, that's what you get living in the past :P
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. I use it pretty much anything that involves a length, size, or index (of something in memory).
 
e.g. you know you'll have an array larger than 16bits of indexes
 
@Mysticial I'm sorry to hear that.
 
@StackedCrooked or working on a micro controller etc
but it actually can have perf impacts too, on some architectures
not all architectures natively support wider or narrower types
 
Meh. Special architectures require special code. If that's your thing then just do that.
 
6:42 PM
This is why there are things like int_fast8_t which on most computers will be at least int
@StackedCrooked or just write portable code as much as possible and don't worry about it?
 
I suppose I should add that I think you should use your own typedef (or just a class) to give a logical name that signifies the actual use for the type, so most of the code is reasonably insulated from the type that underlies that logical name.
 
@Mgetz If you're working on a special architecture then you don't trust the standard library by default. That's ok. It's just a different style of programming.
 
@StackedCrooked what if I'm not? I wouldn't have called Alpha a 'special' architecture
nor would I call Power9 or RISC V
 
@JerryCoffin Are you talking to me or someone else?
 
@Mgetz What's Alpha?
 
6:44 PM
@Mysticial The discussion in general.
 
ah
 
Alpha, originally known as Alpha AXP, is a 64-bit reduced instruction set computing (RISC) instruction set architecture (ISA) developed by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), designed to replace their 32-bit VAX complex instruction set computer (CISC) ISA. Alpha was implemented in microprocessors originally developed and fabricated by DEC. These microprocessors were most prominently used in a variety of DEC workstations and servers, which eventually formed the basis for almost all of their mid-to-upper-scale lineup. Several third-party vendors also produced Alpha systems, including PC form factor...
still technically in use btw
 
@Mgetz I'd call POWER9 special. "Short bus special", to be more precise.
 
At work, everybody uses size_t for everything length/size/index related.
In my own code, I use a typedef to it.
 
@JerryCoffin really? It's pretty common
 
6:46 PM
@Mgetz Ok. I'll try to study it. Expect a reply in 45 minutes or more.
 
not saying it's the best CPU..
 
 
:D
How did I end up having to learn about DEC Alpha after commenting about size_t :(
 
@StackedCrooked A better and faster read devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20170808-00/?p=96775
 
`upL_t` = size_t -> length, size, index or anything in memory.
`ufL_t` = uint64_t -> Same as above, but for files and "far memory" in general.
`uiL_t` = uint64_t -> A more abstract "super-int" type that's large enough to handle all sizes regardless of type and all intermediate calculations without overflow. Generally used for resource requirement calculations in order to determine if an operation can be done in memory or not.
 
6:49 PM
@Mgetz Reasonably common, but kind of a mess, IMO. The original intent of RISC was that we'd tailor the CPU to what compilers produce, so you won't have to tailor code to the CPU. At least to me, POWER ends up nearly the opposite of that--unless you're willing to spend a fair amount of time and effort tailoring your code specifically to the POWER architecture, it'll probably run faster on a $400 machine from Best Buy than a $40K POWER machine.
 
Replace u with s for signed versions of it. Yeah, it sounds stupid.
 
@JerryCoffin not surprised Pentium 4 (AKA Netburst) had that issue too.
 
@Mgetz More often known as "Netbust".
 
lol
 
@JerryCoffin AKA the space heater
Honestly other than knowing that POWER9 has some quirks I don't actually know about it that much
 
6:54 PM
So the room seems to be divided on size_t. Maybe a better question is, if you were to use it in an interview would you have a higher or lower opinion of the person using it. If they happen to be using it in a forloop.
 
@Rick lower in that specific case
 
@Mgetz The big thing to realize is that IBM's been pursuing instruction level parallelism for quite a while. POWER can theoretically execute a lot of instructions per clock, but you often need to do some pretty funky stuff to get it to do its thing.
 
@Rick Higher, because the usual alternative that I see is int - which is worse.
 
@Rick I'd usually prefer to see a range-based for loop.
 
@Mysticial for 90% of cases int is actually better, but the best is range-for
 
6:56 PM
@Mgetz The interview questions that I give typically don't allow for range-for so I don't actually see them as much.
 
But if it has to be a counted for loop, see if you can use auto to deduce the type.
 
@Mysticial to say you work in a specialized market is a bit of an understatement
 
I vaguely recall a recommendation like this:
for (auto i = 0 * container.size(); i != container.size(); ++i)
But that looks rather stupid.
 
eww
 
It deduces the right type for i.
I wouldn't use this though.
 
6:58 PM
@StackedCrooked It does, but it's indirect enough that I'd prefer to use decltype.
 
I'm with Jerry on this
 
@StackedCrooked so the best option is the option you should never use, cool...
 
@Mysticial Does that mean you specifically prohibit a range-based loop, or that you don't think they apply to the questions you ask?
 
@Rick the best option is and should almost always be ranged-for
let the compiler worry about it
 
@JerryCoffin They generally don't apply.
 
7:01 PM
@JerryCoffin ranged-for assumes you have a range
 
@Mysticial What kind of interview questions do you give them, if I may ask?
My typical interview question is presenting the candidate with a printout of a program that crashes due to a double delete due to not having implemented a user-defined copy-constructor and copy-assignment-operator. (None of the candidates thus far have spotted the problem before I gave them multiple hints.)
 
@StackedCrooked Measure the memory latency. Measure the cache coherency latency between two cores. Implement a lockless data-structure X.
 
@Mysticial Wow. That's quite advanced.
 
yay things I would fail miserably at!
 
7:05 PM
so iterator protocol is best, in other word's range-based cool
 
@Mysticial I want to take your exam :)
 
With a little extra work, you can use common_type pick the right type given a range like 0, foo.size().
 
@StackedCrooked I'm definitely one of the worst interviewers - in terms of failing candidates. So when I say yes, they tend to get offers.
And in a lot of cases, we give them offers even when I say no.
 
@Mysticial why kind of questions do you ask.
 
At some point I'd probably have been able to get a 10-20% on that sort of interview
 
7:06 PM
2 mins ago, by Mysticial
@StackedCrooked Measure the memory latency. Measure the cache coherency latency between two cores. Implement a lockless data-structure X.
For interns I ask them to implement a factorial.
 
@Mysticial None of the candidates have passed my little test either. So I end up judging them on personality.
 
but honestly I have no idea how to do those things other than by sizing data structures to things like cache lines and testing invalidation etc.
 
@Mysticial uhh, the last item on that list can get out of hand real quick
 
@StackedCrooked that's my kind of test lol
 
@Mgetz isn't that the only way?
 
7:08 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Exactly. So in the first few minutes of the interview, I try to gauge their competency. Then I pick a question.
 
@ScarletAmaranth There are allegedly proprietary methods Intel has
 
One of the candidates previously worked at CERN. He said something like "I'll do what you ask me to do". And he seemed to genuinely care about code quality. So that was an OK for me. (He turned out to be a good colleague. I feel bad that he decided to join another team. I wanted him in my team. :P)
 
But yeah Bus latency is 'NOOOPE'
 
@Mgetz The cache coherency latency question is the hardest of those.
 
@Mysticial I think you can sort of test it in a best case scenario if you write some code that runs bare metal... but it's soooo dependent on so many factors that I'm not sure you can approach it with any serious certainty
particularly on intel where bus locks will cause a stall
 
7:11 PM
@Mysticial Does it require knowledge of MESI? Or even more than that?
 
how is that the hardest one of those, even something like "implement a lockless stack" is probably beyond what one can do on an interview (unless you want one that might be lockless but performs worse than locking)
 
actually that's probably how I'd measure it
check the stall length using CPU profiling tools
 
@Mgetz I usually leave it open-ended for them to define what "cache coherency latency" means. Then ask them to implement it.
 
you mean, give them enough rope to hang themselves.
 
@Mysticial I know a) whatever approach I take is probably wrong B) there probably aren't a ton of good approaches that don't require working at intel to get good data for
 
7:13 PM
Oh and these are all C++ questions. So I want them to implement the solution in standard C++. Compiler intrinsics are allowed.
 
"Implement a lockless deque." "Goodbye."
 
@ScarletAmaranth When asked that question you should reply with: "spsc or mpmc?" (Trust me, you'll gain points :))
 
@Mgetz You're thinking too deep. If the candidate gets to that stage, I'll try to simplify by giving an actual usecase that you would care about in production. Such as the latency of writing to one end of an empty lockless queue to when you see it on the other end on a different thread.
 
@Mysticial Yeah I have a tendency to do that. Because my response to that question would be "NUMA?"
 
@ScarletAmaranth Which is why I gauge the candidate before picking a question.
I'm not gonna throw the lockless questions at them if they don't know anything about threaded and lockless programming.
@Mgetz That's usually something I expect the candidate to bring up at some point.
At which point I'll say just don't worry about it since you can just pin your threads to whatever cores you want and the benchmark will give you the latency between those two cores.
 
7:18 PM
@Mysticial The irony is that for HFT you would probably want to avoid NUMA and just go for the fastest clocked non-NUMA die you can find
But honestly I'd probably measure it by having one thread change a value twice using atomics and have the other thread spin until it sees the second change then do a perf counter
if I wanted to do it reasonably well I'd have them play ping pong between the two threads
 
@Mgetz For both the benchmark questions, yeah, I expect the candidate to be able to defeat the compiler's optimizations and hardware OOE.
 
on either the same cache line or different ones
 
Because that's quite literally part of the question. :)
 
I was just brainstorming, A) I'm not interviewing, B) I knew I would fail even brainstorming
 
@Mgetz That is one of the correct solutions. And the only one I know of that doesn't require a high resolution clock.
 
7:23 PM
@Mysticial I'd probably ask what's the effect on the whole thing of using rdtsc intrinsics to see them freak out
 
@Mgetz It's hilarious how many candidates know or rdtsc, but then fuck it up because they don't realize that the processor can reorder across it.
So I'll tell them that the benchmark looks fine. But when you run it, the latency it gives is zero.
Enough people don't know this that I stopped docking them for it.
 
gotta fence!
 
Because if they get far enough to where they are reasonably correctly using rdtsc, I'm likely to pass them regardless.
 
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be as I'd probably be using mfence which I think does actually do a cache flush
 
@Mgetz I don't know if mfence is sufficient. It may cause a cache flush, but it might not prevent reordering of non-memory instructions.
rdtscp (note the p) is the answer to this. But not many candidates get this far.
 
7:31 PM
@Mysticial yeah I just saw that in the intrinsics guide
 
Both of the benchmark questions can be answered without a high precision timer anyway.
 
well that actually makes it easier to do as you know the value will change when you ping pong anyway
 
The cache coherency latency is something I only give to the absolute strongest of candidates based on their resume and what my impression of them is at the start of the interview.
The memory latency question is the most common. I only give it to candidates who have CPU hardware knowledge. (which I what HR seems to give me anyway since that's my area)
 
are lockless data structures centered around using all the CPU cores in parallel
 
And I'm always amazed at how many people can know about the hardware architecture, yet can't implement anything that comes even remotely close to a working solution - even when I tell them all the things (compiler+hardware) that they need to defeat.
 
7:36 PM
I remember getting a question waaaay back when for an interview with apple asking why intel couldn't implement FMA in x87
 
2-input uop limit
 
yeah I had no idea
 
@Rick No. They're just thread-safe data structures that don't need mutexes.
 
pretty sure that probably applied to SSE at the time too
 
The term "lockless" has several levels too. Usually it means "no mutexes", but sometimes it can mean an even stronger version of it which is, "no lock-prefixed" instructions.
 
7:38 PM
@Mysticial Or the old-fart method (use cpuid to prevent reordering--but then you need to see if they know to call it three times before the first rdtsc, and why).
 
@JerryCoffin I knew about that... and yet didn't think about using it
 
@Mgetz I've used it often enough I hardly have to think about it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I posted it to Usenet before Intel published documentation on it (they'd separately documented the individual pieces, but to my knowledge hadn't put together the pieces into a single place to use rdtsc well).
 
Interns are more fun to interview though.
At least they don't require super-detailed feedback. And I usually know 10 min. in whether the candidate is pass or fail.
 
@Mysticial 10 minutes might be a bit premature. I've run into a few who were so nervous they could barely manage to talk for the first 10 minutes.
 
@JerryCoffin Is that the case even for mid-day interviews?
I'd expect them to only be nervous on the 1st? one?
I almost never go first since I get to work late.
 
7:48 PM
I detest interviews, and I detest coding questions in interviews
probably more than I should
 
@Mgetz that's probably true for everyone.
 
@Mysticial Hmm...I don't remember for sure. At KnuEdge I usually showed up fairly early (by 8 AM traffic was awful, and stayed that way until almost noon). Don't remember whether I was first to interview in the nervous wreck cases though.
 
@Rick I'm pretty sure I'm ASD, I might detest them more than someone not
 
@Rick I tend to like a lot of the things most people hate. Especially the stupid "trick" questions everybody knows are useless. I also realize they're useless, but enjoy them anyway.
 
@JerryCoffin I would hate you as an interviewer. I feel like people ask those questions just to feel smart
 
7:53 PM
@Mgetz Oh, I don't ask them. But I enjoy it when people ask them of me.
 
lol
 
nevermind then
at least @Mysticial's questions are relevant to the job
 
@Mgetz Quite often, I'll get a candidate that doesn't really know any of the specialized shit they say on their resume, so I end up falling back to something super generic like, "implement a thread-safe queue". Or something like that. At which I'm basically just evaluating them on their C++ and coding competency.
 
@Mgetz As far as what I ask: I also try to keep them reasonably relevant, so they tend to vary widely based on the job we're interviewing for.
 
Then I'll bump them to our other non-specialized and non-performance-oriented teams to see if they want the person.
 
7:56 PM
@Mysticial if someone has C++ on their resume I do ask them about stack based resource management.
@JerryCoffin I tend to focus on problem solving skills. Everything else can be learned
 
@JerryCoffin I like diving deep into things often doing them over and over again. Mostly so I can develop an intuition for it and my own heuristics. The idea being you can be lazy when you're the most competent. lol
 
@Mgetz At one time I'd have agreed, but I've run into some who did really well in their niche, and really poorly elsewhere. Worked with a guy for a while who was a wizard with DSP stuff. Then they needed some compiler codegen work done, and asked him to help out. That didn't work out well, even though he was definitely smart, a solid programmer, and did a great job solving problems in his domain.
 
@JerryCoffin I know how that feels
 
8:14 PM
However, I am obsessed with writing elegant code. Code that never occurs to anyone but is recognized by all. Code that's written that way it moves. That would be my ankles heel.
 
8:27 PM
@Rick I'm less concerned with the code itself being elegant than with its having a clean interface. It's sometimes nice if the code itself can be pretty too, but often even more satisfying knowing that there's some code that's unavoidably ugly and nasty, but I've managed to hide all that nastiness and let all the rest of the code be simple and pretty.
 
8:42 PM
I concur, it's OK to have some ugly code if the overall result is good
I've done things like utils::make_hack_ptr<T>(size) before for things like that
 
 
In the future we'll use DNA as a bioauthentication but you will be required to change passwords every year or two.
 
9:14 PM
@Mikhail "We're sorry you don't exist in our database, we are reporting you for deportation or destruction" and all you did was sunbathe too much
 
9:26 PM
@Mgetz We've limited the number of citizens destroyed to no more than .1% annually, which we consider acceptable.
 
@JerryCoffin you haven't looked at the current administration have you...
 
@Mgetz I prefer not to even think about the current administration if I can help it.
 
@Mgetz There isn't much to look at, they were all fired.
 
 
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10:36 PM
Does anyone know what benefits openscengraph's reference pointer has over the standard smart pointers? It just seems like it is a smart pointer to a class.
 

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