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12:00 AM
@Puppy You cant tell me I'm wrong! See the previous declaration.
 
So, the guy went ballistic over you not mentioning that the C++ language standard exists? Asking the real questions here.
 
From what I can see, it was rather that he mentioned that C++ language standard exists
 
Sounds like their institution "doesn't have standards".
 
@Mikhail That is close enough to my take on the situation.
 
That's pretty cute, nobody I've worked with has ever care about teaching, and I'm pretty sure UIUC is a highly rated school
 
12:14 AM
It is the best school in sweden in comp sci.
 
I thought you were German.
 
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good work, keep it up
 
So, today I went to this program kickoff meeting. The first hour, the heads of relevant departments said how great it was this program exists. Nobody mentioned the name of the program or what it was about. Fucking surreal. To pass the time I drank one of every tea, consuming 48 oz of tea. We need to get rid of university administration.
 
wow xD
 
So, I won't be too sad if the US academic system chokes on its profligate excess but I probably want healthcare
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^ and its been getting worse
 
12:29 AM
I signed up for some autonomous toy car meetings, but for two months, they didn't have a location for such a meeting. Everyone who signed up to the meetings is marked as attended afterwards
 
It was a meeting for cars
 
toy cars, autonomous toy car racing ...
 
1:06 AM
@Mikhail That's insane...
 
@Mikhail If things go well, we can replace them with robots so the more there are people in tech the better
I'd be less scared if a robot makes a surgery that requires high precision
A German rapper turned Islamic State fighter who reportedly married the FBI translator hired to spy on him has been killed in an airstrike in Syria http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-5287373/German-IS-rapper-killed-airstrike-Syria-monitor.html
I hope the wife got killed on the airstrike because they just burned her cover
or she was the one calling the airstrike and had an extraction plan
 
1:36 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix wuuuut
 
 
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3:34 AM
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/85c5f33f73ee4cd0
This doesn't compile in VS 2017 :(
No wonder I couldn't get it to work in the train...
 
 
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4:49 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix other way around, tech jobs have enabled a large amount of dead weight
 
 
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7:55 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that's gonna be a romance novel someday
calling it now
 
8:40 AM
@Mikhail I think you're overeacting the graph you showed doesn't prove anything other than people choose a tech career instead of something else. Sadly some jobs get "deprecated" over time. People don't have to get on the north to cut ice cubes anymore.
 
9:11 AM
@Mikhail What are the absolute numbers? This is just propaganda without actual numbers.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix She took one for the team?
 
 
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11:04 AM
Did I mention I hate non-SQL non-ACID databases?
Like recently, I have been working with SonarQube UI, as I work in QA I am going through detected defects and assigning them to devs.
So, this one time we noticed that it was automatically assigning defects to people who have already left the company.
I wanted to do a bulk change and remove the assignment to past employees.
You can filter and select per assignee so that should not be a problem.
But the UI lets me only to do the bulk change over 500 items only.
And even that takes minutes! to be applied.
I cannot imagine it would be that slow if there were ordinary SQL database behind it.
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@wilx I shouldn't be finding this as hilarious as I am :D
 
11:30 AM
@wilx did you chat on stackoverflow while you were waiting for that to complete? :p
 
11:47 AM
@TelautonomousKitty Nope. I was just going through more of the unassigned defects. :)
 
12:07 PM
Hello, World!
 
@wilx It certainly could be
 
1:07 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix no she'd turned coat before that was necessary
 
 
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2:48 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix nothing conclusive yet, Python room is patched against the attack I tried.
 
 
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4:02 PM
I don't even have a facebook account, I wonder if that matters :)
 
4:19 PM
no
 
4:56 PM
wait, that guy is a London based native English speaker?
that e-mail is close to incomprehensible
 
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5:44 PM
@ScarletAmaranth This.
 
@Oqhax should be in italics
 
@wilx Might or might not be, but I think the speed of this operation is orthogonal to SQL and/or relationalism.
 
@JerryCoffin I found a restaurant last night that serves pizza comparable with Pizzeria Rustica! Not as good, but in the same league or one below.
 
Hey guys, is it okay if I ask one general CS-career question here real quick? Or am I gonna get permabanned?
 
it's difficult if not impossible to get permabanned here
banned for several months on the other hand
 
5:52 PM
I'm really desperate to get some insight so whatever I guess: I basically have an interview with a big-ish company, not a unicorn though. What's the best strategy for me to perpare to it? Currently I'm doing cracking-the-coding interview problems, but I'm not sure if I'll make it through the whole book before it. Before that I was doing Project Euler (got to problem 30 with some serious gaps in between though). Maybe I should focus on actually learning something from solutions to those problems?
The company is booking.com if that matters.
Oh and yeah I forgot to mention it, its in 3 days. So I only have that. I'm already preparing for a month now though, so not exactly at zero. But I have doubts that I'll be able to go through all CCI problems or majority of them in that time.
 
@jaggedSpire Nice! Where is it (or are you keeping that secret?)
 
@JerryCoffin St. Louis, remarkably. This city usually has pretty terrible pizza--I've found only a few good places in the last three years.
 
@ivanthescientist If you've been studying for a month, my advice would be to spend at least part of the next three days doing some hiking, mountain biking, walking on the beach, or something on that order--relax a bit, so you'r sharp and thinking clearly for the interview.
@jaggedSpire Next time I visit St.Louis, I might have to get more details from you (but that may be a while...)
 
Certainly!
@Ven hi
 
6:11 PM
@Mikhail That would explain why the US spends more than double the OECD average on healthcare per capita, but yet has fewer doctors and hospital beds per capita than the OECD average.
 
6:35 PM
I officially released cpp-sort 1.0.0
I can give up the project now v0v
 
@Morwenn hahahahahahahaha no
you have to maintain it now
 
people have yet to open actual bug reports :p
 
RIP morwenn
 
I managed to get there without anyone opening any x)
the only issues that I didn't open myselves were "why do you use -> for return type everywhere", "here: take those awesome sorting networks that beat the current litterature" and "can you add your library to Conan? we can help you through the process"
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sales and marketting
 
6:41 PM
Why do you need sales and marketing in healthcare?
"Do you want to die? No? Then you need us." The end.
 
well, you have to bribe doctors to pick your solution over the other guy's solution
 
7:01 PM
and convince patients to throw a fit if they don't get your medication by advertising straight to them as well
 
advertising straight to patients is so clearly and fundamentally stupid I cannot fathom how it is not illegal
hell, advertising to doctors or other medical professionals should be very heavily regulated
 
@Borgleader If your healthcare service is a business, you need marketing.
 
even in the UK we don't regulate it enough
apparently we allow drug companies, when submitting their drugs, to only include the studies that show them favourably, instead of all of them
 
@EtiennedeMartel People's liveswellbing as business leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth
 
7:14 PM
it's fine if adequately regulated
 
US govt regulation is a farce though
 
7:50 PM
@Puppy Regulating it doesn't necessarily help much though--it often just changes the nature of the bribes used. "Oh, we can't spend money on advertising? I guess that leaves us more money to spend on swimsuit models to be our sales reps..."
 
well, that's the difference between real regulation and dumb regulation
in real regulation, you require that approval is granted by the regulator, and you ban pretty much all in-person contact between the regulator and the company, and you require that all communications be public record, you require that every contact at that company have a degree in a scientific discipline, etc
in essence, you just keep making the regulations more and more strict and burdensome and pointless and lock down every avenue they find until eventually they can't find any more
or they just give up
 
@Puppy ...and when you're done, you're only spending 5x as much enforcing the regulations as the combined "losses" due to lack of regulation. Oh well....
 
nah
that point never comes.
since the losses of lack of regulation is measured in body counts, not dollars.
and furthermore, undoubtedly plenty of them will try to get away with flouting you, so feel free to fine them for your operating costs for the next five years
it's not even just about body count
it's about hammering home to your collective people that you prove shit properly or go home
then they stop being idiots looking for homeopathy or God to save them
hopefully, anyway
 
@Puppy All indications are that we not only reach, but exceed that point on a regular basis. Certainly the US "War on drugs" exceeds it by a lot more than 5x.
 
there's a big difference
in fact, they're just totally different situations
 
8:02 PM
@Puppy I'd tend to agree--if it weren't for the fact that they're wrong.
 
with the war on drugs, you're targetting people who are already organised criminals, not legitimate organisations
and you're also targetting people who operate exclusively in the shadows.. it's a lot harder to secretly advertise your product to patients
and really, they're dealing with a complex problem they don't really understand in the slightest, whereas this is a much simpler problem
 
@Puppy They though they were dealing with a simple problem too. They were wrong, and so are you.
 
what's complex about this issue?
 
@Puppy Exactly the same things that are with illegal drugs. In both cases, you have a very large profit motive, so every regulation you pass you're going to have an army of well-financed people figuring out how to get around your regulation, how to negate its effects, who to pay off to get the regulations changed and/or ignored, and so on.
You end up with exactly the same complexities for exactly the same reasons.
 
we have extra weapons against drug companies that don't work against illegal drugs
which help to simplify the situation somewhat
pricipally, whilst I have no doubt that the tactics you've suggested are real and can work, it's also true that they have severe limitations... by and large, companies follow the law, even when they don't like it
and politicians can be swayed by other forces like populist movements
there's a reason that there are hardly any slaves in the UK even though that would be fantastic for any company's bottom line
I mean, it does happen, but at a pretty low incidence
 
8:15 PM
@fredoverflow ask if they're building robots.
 
@Puppy Actually, it's not at all apparent that that's true. Productivity rose (substantially) in the former slave states after the US civil ware ended slavery.
@Puppy We have extra weapons--but so so they.
 
yeah, but if memory serves, the freed slaves didn't exactly have a fair wage afterwards
I mean, there's a lot of large-scale societal effects that would probably make it to be quite true that keeping people as slaves en masse is a poor economic choice, but for any individual organisation, keeping a few people as slaves would probably benefit them
@JerryCoffin Yeah, but ours are considerably more powerful. There are dozens of tactics they might employ but don't because they're illegal and the companies would get caught. Particularly since in plenty of nations around the world, the regulations aren't as strict as I'd like but are way more strict than in the US, and those companies do play ball there.
I see no reason why the same tactics couldn't work in the US (except that people in the US don't want them to)
besides, long-term benefits aside, it's clear that the slave owners would have kept them as slaves if they could... so the fact that they ultimately didn't backs me up, I feel
 
8:31 PM
when universal income will be available anywhere on earth and that income will be enough to live. We might consider slavery a thing of the past
 
@Puppy You feel incorrectly. People who are accustomed to a particular system frequently cling to that system long after it has ceased to be sensible. Happens with both individuals and large groups.
 
Jerry not sure to understand what you just said
 
@Puppy It's not a matter of people in the US not wanting regulations to work. It's a matter of being more concerned about (for example) freedom of speech, and being willing to curtail it only out of necessity, not just convenience.
 
@wilx ale do prdele tak brit koho praca spociva v komunikacii s ludmi toto napise :D?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm saying that people frequently do things that aren't sensible--especially when they're accustomed to them.
 
8:38 PM
Like a person having slave and not care about it because everybody has slave?
Or my grand ancestor had slave, so my grand-parent had them, so did my parent, so do I and I don't care because we always had slaves and my children and grand children will have them.
 
@JerryCoffin Keeping people alive due to not allowing drugs that don't work as well as advertised, and keeping them on the right treatments and not the ones that make most money, sounds like a necessity to me.
people die all the time in the US because they buy homeopathy or faith healing or some other bullshit instead of real medical treatments
and if I recall correctly, a large fraction of the opioid epidemic is down to doctors over-prescribing opiates... which I think is now up to tens of thousands of deaths, millions of addicted?
sounds like a necessity to me.
 
@Puppy Drugs are an interesting field where the line between drugs and homeopathy can be really thin.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix If you have a clinical trial with 10,000 participants proving that it works, it's a drug. Otherwise, it's homeopathy or some such crap.
 
I'm not so certain what's the real definition of homeopathy but I do remember that last time I bought something like that it had well written on the box that it didn't contain any "medical component".
yes and know, people seem to discard that drugs are often based on natural stuff and sometimes are more or less just extract of a plant
But I'm not protecting homeopathy because yeah more than often it's just shit.
 
@Puppy Well, they certainly have programs in place to attempt to ensure that anything sold as medication actually works, and has a minimum of side effects. At the same time, there are thousands who die annually, because it takes so long to pass trials, that many drugs that are effective take years to get to the market. It's certainly true that what's in place now is open to improvement (especially requiring disclosure of all trials, not just select ones).
 
8:52 PM
are you arguing about how fast drugs should be regulated?
 
At the same time, it's not at all clear to me that simply adding more similar requirements is likely to have a net positive effect. If anything, rather the opposite.
 
@JerryCoffin I remember one of my teacher probably would have liked if some of the drug his mother took (painkiller) during pregnancy would have had longer test trials.
 
@Puppy What would this have to do with your argument about regulation of how drug companies market their products? At least at first glance, it appears quite unrelated.
 
He like many other were born with missing bones or non developped part of the body
 
@JerryCoffin Well as far as I know, a lot of this is down to direct-to-patient and direct-to-physician advertising of opiates, as well as general industry denial that addiction was a thing that could happen.
I mean, in the UK, we have opiate addicts, but it's a vastly smaller scale problem
 
8:55 PM
what?
aren't there alternative to those drugs already?
 
cause our regulator said "Well shit guys, turns out that there's a serious risk of addiction and other nasties, other painkillers are pretty good and way safer, so don't use except in the most necessary cases"
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Almost certainly talking about thalidomides. Actually, they were a large part of what gave the US FDA the power it does now--though at the time it was simply because the FDA bureaucracy was inefficient enough that they hadn't gotten around to allowing it, not because they were any more stringent than anybody else.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Well in this case, you're talking about practices that are more like 1990-2010ish, I think. AFAIK the rules for opioid prescription are a lot tighter now.
 
I'm pretty sure in Canada you can't have opioid and more than often opioid are given only before you're about to die
or cancer or things that really hurt but not outside of the hospital
 
in the UK you can be prescribed them but it's not easily done, and we have substantial anti-addiction stuff, like mandatory phase-out in most cases and mandatory overview of chronic users
I've been prescribed opiates in the past and I have some in my cupboard, wasn't too easy to come by though
 
9:02 PM
@Puppy Although they don't like to talk about it, the reality is that the vast majority of the opiate epidemic has nothing to do with prescription drugs at all--it's junkies overdosing on heroin, mostly because heroin is illegal, so doses are undependable at best. If (as implied above) we got rid of our stupid "war on drugs", the vast majority of the problem would go away with it.
As for the UK having less of a problem: sure--largely because anybody who wants recreational drugs only needs to spend a couple hours (or so) on a train to get them legally.
 
@JerryCoffin It's my understanding- this is of course second-hand for me- that they get on to heroin in the first place from the prescription opiates, rather than actually being addicted to the prescription opiates directly
@JerryCoffin There aren't any countries where you can legally gain the overwhelming majority of recreational drugs within a short journey of the UK.
and addicts probably couldn't afford such a train fare on a regular basis anyway... train fares here are a big political ticket because they're so tremendously expensive
 
@Puppy I believe most of it is a simple bait and switch situation. They like to talk a lot about prescription opiates, because that gives it an air of legitimacy, but the reality is that an awful lot of the deaths they like to talk about are simply heroin users.
 
well sure, they use heroin now, the question is how they got that way.
I mean, I of course have no first-hand knowledge of this either way
there are probably other factors like having a border with Mexico making it a lot easier to get heroin into the country
one advantage the UK does have in this regard is a much easier border control since we are an island
 
@Puppy That's my point: many (most) started on heroin and finished in heroin. The ones that used prescription pain killers (and such) were mostly using ones that were stolen and sold illegally, so regulations about how they're prescribed (and such) would make a difference.
 
I was really hoping that the issue of the Irish border would tank Brexit, but it seems like we basically agreed that there won't be a border despite the fact that we will need one, so no idea how that will happen in practice
 
9:11 PM
@Puppy Most don't need or care access to all (or even most) recreational drugs. If they can get access to something it's sufficient. The old argument about pot as a gateway drug are exactly backwards: legal pot prevents use of many harder drugs. In the US we have a heroin problem primarily because smuggling it is economically "denser" than pot.
 
well the evidence for pot being damaging is just really shaky
we had a thing here you probably didn't hear about
a government adviser called Professor Nutt who did a big study on damage dealt by drugs
conclusion: most damaging drug is by some mile alcohol, with pot one of the least damaging drugs
 
@Puppy Oh, there's plenty of evidence that it's damaging (though only in the same way that smoking tobacco is).
 
as far as I know, it's considerably less damaging than tobacco, which personally I would see banned
oh yeah
did I mention that Professor Nutt got his ass fired for telling the government what they didn't want to hear, as a supposedly independent advisor?
 
@Puppy At least from what I understand, that depends. If you treat both the same way (just air dry them) I believe they're about equal. Most tobacco is treated differently, which increases the damage--but I was talking less about quantity than quality. I.e., both of them cause lung cancer, throat cancer, etc.
@Puppy You didn't, but I find it about as surprising as the sun rising in the morning.
@Puppy Any bets on whether they now refer to him (among themselves) as "Professor nutter"?
 
no idea
 
9:25 PM
"He contradicted the received wisdom. Obviously a nutter!"
 
 
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10:31 PM
@Mikhail The physician growth would normally have been much higher, but there are strict legal restrictions on how many physicians can graduate per year.
 
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Note how steady that curve is.
 
user406009
If anything that graph is more about how the growth in number of physicians has been crippled more than anything else ...
 
doesn't look like it to me
check out the late 90s for instance
 
11:00 PM
Note the number of doctors per person has almost doubled since the 1980s
 
um, almost doubled?
more like almost 150%
 
w/e
That graph doesn't include the last 7 years
Overall employment of physicians and surgeons is projected to grow 15 percent from 2016 to 2026, much faster than the average for all occupations. Job growth is projected due to increased demand for healthcare services by the growing and aging population.
 
looks like the growth rate is slowing conisderably
 
That being said, according to the pathologists I work with, its really hard to hire a doctors and they're been steadily increasing wages and perks as positions remain unfilled.
On the other hand, the US medical system will "take all of your money"™ by giving you treatment you don't need, leading to worse health outcomes. So its not clear if the doctor shortage as felt by the job market is good or bad.
Perhaps the shortage of MDs is the only thing keeping the US medical system from fucking us over in the ass - at least it feels like that when you look at colon cancer screening outcomes.
 

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