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9:01 PM
@JerryCoffin that hasn't been true lately, and with fuel prices going up that alone would justify it. But the bigger issue is parts, maintaining those turbojets has always been expensive. Using commercial HBTF engines also has advantages in regards to heat seekers too because the exhaust temps are much lower and dissipate faster.
 
@Mgetz Minor correction: the B-52s that are still in service all use low-bypass turbo-fans, not turbojets. But yes, even when I was in the Air Force (mid-1980's) if we needed parts the primary source was the boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB. For example, much of my time was working on B-52Gs. Replacement engine parts came from retired F-100 fighters.
 
@JerryCoffin honestly looking at the AF requirements they are pretty dumb
they ruled out a 4 engine solution which would have been quieter, more fuel efficient, lighter, and probably faster because of the larger nacelles for larger fans
 
9:28 PM
@Mgetz If cost were no object, I can pretty guarantee they'd go for that in a heartbeat. But, it would require a ground-up design of entirely new engine nacelles. Now consider the fact that a B-52 typically only flies around 300-350 hours a year and burns around 3000 gallons of fuel per hour. They now use Jet-A, at around $5/gallon, so that means it burns about 5 million dollars worth of fuel annually.
 
@JerryCoffin the problem is the cost per flying hour is well above 10k right now
 
A single HBTF engine costs around $10 million, so (even ignoring the other costs to actually install them) the four engines for a B-52 would cost around $40 million, and would save around 20-25% on fuel. That means it saves around $1-1.25 million per year in fuel, and take roughly 40 years to break even.
 
@JerryCoffin they are going for leases apparently
 
@Mgetz I believe that's correct--and while it eases the up-front cost, it doesn't change the long-term economics; regardless of how you structure the payments, they simply fly little enough that it's hard to pay for new engines based on fuel savings.
@Mgetz Depending on who you listen to and how they figure the costs, it's usually quoted as being around $7.5-8K. Figuring the costs is not a trivial problem though. For example, see Forecasting Flying Hour costs of the B-1, B-2 and B-52 Bomber Aircraft
 
9:43 PM
@JerryCoffin understood but the combat hours cost is much higher than the non-combat cost. The fact they've been getting use lately doesn't help
 
honestly they should have been re-engined in the 80s to make it cost effective
but STAR WARS
 
@Mgetz Oh, and far as higher speed goes, no chance at all, unless they do major redesigning elsewhere at the same time. When they added the cameras under the nose, that hurt the aerodynamics enough that they had to reduce the top speed from something like mach 0.9 to something like 0.85 or so. The engines have enough thrust to go faster, but if they use it they stand a good chance of damaging the plane.
@Mgetz Problem wasn't (at least primarily) Star Wars. Problem was that at that time, the B-52 was seen almost exclusively as a nuclear deterrent, and quite a bit of congress believe that nuclear-equipped submarines had rendered it essentially obsolete so while they didn't (quite) go so far as to remove them from service entirely, they certainly weren't willing to make any long-term investment in them.
 
10:12 PM
@JerryCoffin So the nuclear triad is a lie?
 
Britain only has nuclear submarines and concluded they were fine on their own
we haven't had nuclear bombers or ICBMs for some time
something about them being too easy to hit in a first strike
 
you loosers haven't even used your nukes
 
then again, we have a lot less dead weight land than you
 
@Mysticial I'm not sure I'd say it's a lie, exactly, but there were certainly a lot of congressmen who thought it was (or at least looked at the budget deficit, and wanted to believe that, anyway).
 
although to be honest, I'm nervous about only having four of them, and I think only one is ever deployed at a time
 
10:15 PM
@JerryCoffin What was the name of the operation during the cold war where the US constantly had nuke bombers over the north atlantic on notice?
I read about it somewhere, but forgot the name.
 
chrome dome
 
@Mysticial As far as I know, the name was "standard operating procedure". :-) No more airborne alert by the time I was in the USAF. They did still have a command aircraft in the air 24/7 though.
 
@Mikhail thx
And it definitely makes me cringe that we may be on the way back to that era with NK right now.
 
@JerryCoffin What does Star Wars have to do with it?
 
@Mysticial Fortunately, I don't think NK has the resources to create a similar scenario.
 
10:25 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm more worried about escalation where China and/or Russia get involved.
 
@Puppy The movie, nothing at all. Reagan's Anti-ballistic missile program: mostly competition for funding.
 
The US probably won't be doing another operation like that off the coast of NK unless it's just a deterrent. It's much more economical to have a bunch of nuke subs sitting off the coast.
 
@Mysticial I don't think either China or Russia trusts NK enough to really want them to have nukes either.
 
@JerryCoffin The problem is that neither do they want to do anything about it, since all the options on the table are pretty bad.
I think that we should just attack NK because it's increasingly clear that diplomacy and sanctions are not getting the job done
we may as well attack immediately
 
@JerryCoffin I would be genuinely interested in seeing the perspective of this from China and Russia's POV. But unfortunately, you only the US's perspective from US media.
 
10:30 PM
@Puppy I tend to agree, but a preemptive first strike (even against NK) is going to lead to a lot of talk about its being un-justified, former empires trying to return to their own ways, etc.
 
yeah but, that really doesn't matter
it's the only option on the table
so we have to take it
 
The problem is that any sort of armed conflict is going to result in Seoul being completely annihilated and millions of people dead.
 
the only other option is to just let them become a full nuclear power instead of a baby nuclear power
@Mysticial Yeah, but, waiting isn't going to make that problem go away. It's only going to get worse, since they'll be able to do it with a nuke instead.
 
The Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser Testbed (formerly Airborne Laser) weapons system was a megawatt-class chemical oxygen iodine laser (COIL) mounted inside a modified Boeing 747-400F. It is primarily designed as a missile defense system to destroy tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs) while in boost phase. The aircraft was designated YAL-1A in 2004 by the U.S. Department of Defense. The YAL-1 with a low-power laser was test-fired in flight at an airborne target in 2007. A high-energy laser was used to intercept a test target in January 2010, and the following month, successfully destroyed two test missiles...
Sometimes the US military exists to keep people employed
 
10:41 PM
Okay so remember in 2014 everyone was trying to explain to everyone what a monad was but not making much sense And now in 2017 everyone is trying to explain to everyone what a blockchain is but not making much sense Can you put monads on the blockchain
 
> At a conference on international security last month in the US, I was privately told by a number of US experts with links to Washington that the Trump administration is determined to attack North Korea. The question was of when, not if.
I've only agreed with Trump one time in the past but this might have to make two
 
@Puppy That's an interesting opinion, why?
 
what, that Trump is unbelievably full of shit about basically everything, that I actually did agree with him one time in the past, or that he really should attack NK?
 
really should attack NK
 
read above
we discussed it
 
10:51 PM
NK just wants the SK Olympics to be about them, which they have succeeded in spectacularly there is nothing else going on here but two conmen trying to control the narrative in their interest
 
Thought Experiment 1:
1. US and/or SK launch a decapitation strike on NK. It succeeds, but not well enough to suppress the "attack order" that NK has prepared.
2. NK empties their artillery across the border on Seoul and kills 5 million people.
3. NK's ICBMs don't actually make it to the US because they're still primitive.
4. US retaliates against the annhilation of Seoul with a full-scale invasion into a completely hostile population.
5. How would China and Russia respond?
Thought Experiment 2:
1. US and/or SK launch a decapitation strike on NK. It fails.
2. NK nukes Seoul because they know they can't hit the US. This kills 5+ million people.
3. The US retaliates by nuking Pyongyang to kill Kim and nuking their nuke sites to prevent anymore nuke launches.
4. How does China and Russia respond?
 
@Mysticial My immediate guess is that even Russia and China aren't entirely sure how they'd respond in either of those (or many others).
 
@Mysticial that's shallow. The real problem is in the aftermath. SK economy is important to the world. There will be millions of refugees, from SK and NK. Both China and Russia don't care about deaths of those 5m+ people. They care about who will pay for this feast.
 
hello
 
The unsaid thing in the conversation is that NK isn't doing too much damage to anybody but its own people.
 
11:01 PM
@Mikhail For now.
even if NK never attempts to attack anybody else intentionally, their nuclear secrets and technologies will leak out, and if their regime collapses, nuclear scientists and other such things would proliferate everywhere
not to mention the probability that once they are nuclear enough, they will make an effort against SK
 
Out of curiosity, has anybody tried to implement the CPU based in-place transpose for rectangular matrices? Looks hard, and I might get trucked over by the performance.
 
"tried", yes. "succeeded", I'm not sure.
 
Did it transpose a rectangular matrix without allocating a duplicate matrix?
 
@Mikhail I never got anything working that was in-place.
But perhaps someone else in the world has.
 
There is a research paper and stuff, but it looks hard to implement. Maybe a few days, mostly because I suck.
Such algorithms are designed to move each data element exactly once. However, they also involve a considerable amount of arithmetic to compute the cycles, and require heavily non-consecutive memory accesses since the adjacent elements of the cycles differ by multiplicative factors of N, as discussed above.
 
11:32 PM
can't you just use matlab or mathematica?
don't re-invent the wheels
 
No because MATLAB doesn't have these algorithms, and I suspect that its matrix transpose is out-of-place
One day I'll find somebody who does in-place matrix transposes for arbitrary matrix sizes
 
good luck
 
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