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12:27 AM
@Puppy Yeah--I'm at the point that I've pretty much decided that when I move off of Windows 7, it'll just about have to be away from Windows entirely. It's a bit sad to see Microsoft working so hard at getting rid of loyal customers.
On the other hand, I recently had a hard drive die, so I had to re-install the OS on a new drive. Decided to give Linux another chance, but it blew nearly every way possible. Basically, nothing available to control my fans and/or CPU speed. No support for the network adapter I was using. The network adapter I installed as a backup sort of works, but, about once a week (or so) the driver just didn't load, and had to be re-installed. A few times my keyboard just didn't work.
I guess I could sort of understand this if I was running something extremely obscure, but it's all pretty mainstream, average stuff.
 
I just got confirmation that the COre i9 7900X has full-throughput AVX512. And that Windows 10 supports AVX512. Not only that, the guy did it at 4.5 GHz using an AIO water cooler without melting the chip.
Not sure if the chip was delided or not, but that's impressive.
 
12:55 AM
>No support for the network adapter I was using.
I don't believe you.
> but it's all pretty mainstream, average stuff.
Giraffe, be cool, this is the proper Jerry Coffin.
Thing is, I popped gnome-ubuntu onto my spiffy new t470 and everything worked to spec. This hardware is not listed in the "common-configurations.conf" file.
 
1:08 AM
@CaptainGiraffe Well, it's always possible (perhaps even likely) that a driver does exist--but if so, I couldn't find it (and I did spend an hour or so looking--I'd probably have stopped sooner, but I found hints that it probably does, so I kept trying, but ultimately came up empty).
I did eventually find:
Which lists the driver for this particular NIC chip (the rtl8192du) as "WIP".
 
Well this is interesting... The guy ran the benchmark with the 6-core which isn't supposed to have full-throughput AVX512. And nevertheless, it shows it anyway.
That goes completely against what all the reviews were saying.
And it also means I spent more money than I needed to.
 
Maybe his benchmark is... wrong somehow?
 
It's my benchmark.
 
oh xD
 
I can't cancel my order now since they already ship it out. But fine, I'll eat the $400. But the point is if Intel enabled the full-throughput AVX512 on all the chips, why didn't they advertise it?
 
1:18 AM
@CaptainGiraffe That page is an old archive, but the current version no longer lists the rtl8192du at all--not as either current or abandoned.
 
Unless these are ES samples.
 
Isnt that the kind of info you can get from ARK? hmm i guess not
 
@Mysticial Given how new it is, that's certainly a possibility.
 
@Borgleader Nope, they all advertise AVX512. But not how fast.
 
@Mysticial Since nobody pays attention to clock speed any more, I have a really easy way to get low-end chips do full-speed AVX 512--and amazingly enough, the same modifications doubles the throughput of everything else as well!
 
1:22 AM
@JerryCoffin That thing is showing full-throughput on all 6 cores at 4.5 GHz. He couldn't possibly run it at 9 GHz.
 
@Mysticial You're getting what I meant backwards. Claim the clock speed is only 2.25 GHz, and it has full-speed AVX-512 (and everything else has double the throughput it should at 2.25 GHz!)
 
@JerryCoffin The benchmark numbers are at the theoretical values.
 
That was why the "nobody pays attention to clock speed" part was important.
 
And here's my quick summary on the other forum that seems to care: mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=461923#post461923
 
@Mysticial I guess my virtual smiley didn't quite make it through. Since it apparently wasn't obvious: no, I really wasn't serious.
 
1:26 AM
Oh... Sorry. I didn't see through it since I'm literally doing 3 things at once. Answering here, posting to Overclock.net, and talking to my mom over the phone.
 
@Mysticial No problem. Skip the other stuff and talk to your mom. She deserves your full attention.
 
watching veterans flying racing drones through high quality VR is freaking awesome
 
@JerryCoffin That just finished.
 
they even got a 3 meters flexible pole to get drones stuck on trees
 
@Telkitty Tried to find a picture of a Polish gymnastics team as an example of "flexible Poles", but despite specifying "Polish", none of what Google came up with seemed to be from Poland (and some of it was volleyball instead of gymnastics).
Interestingly Bing seems to do rather better than Google on this one. So here's a 1.5 meter (or somewhere around there) flexible Pole:
 
1:43 AM
@JerryCoffin then there is Cat++, as an example of inflexible pole
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another stuck drone on the tree it seems
joining a drone flying club is the right decision
although most others have self made drones
and a bunch of other cool stuff
probably rude to ask 'how often your drones get stuck on trees' at the first hangout
 
2:37 AM
Hey guys. I have a tiny, tiny amount of experience with programming, but I thought I'd have some fun with it again and do some project in say c++. I have no actual knowledge of c++, but I feel like I learn best (and remember it too) when I have a clear project/goal in mind, where I learn the stuff needed along the way -any advice on some type of relatively challenging project?
Ideally something, where I'll learn/be forced to learn a lot of stuff along the way. My programming experience to be a bit more exact - I did a connect-5 / tic-tac-toe game using the minimax algorithm, an AVL tree, various sorts, and have taken a basic 2-semester course at uni where we were taught lots of basic stuff, sometimes writing it for homework - various manipulation with matrices, breadth/depth search, some basic graph algorithms).
 
2:58 AM
Reprogram xye.sourceforge.net in C++ using Qt.
Just as a tip, you are probably going to need the QGraphicsScene.
Good luck!
 
Ok, I'll do that. Looks like sokoban with more features. Thanks for the idea.
 
3:15 AM
Yeah, it is basically a sokaban, but you can take all the textures/level definition files, and use it for learning.
 
@Mysticial it's not a surprise
 
@Rahul2001 lol. Don't.
 
@Telkitty Well flying drone are probably easier to control than usual RC helicopters/planes.... unlike drones that can stand by on their own
 
4:09 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix There's one possibility left: That was an ES sample which aren't the same as the retail ones. It's certainly possible that they still are disabled in the retail ones.
 
4:29 AM
I just meant paying more than you really need.
 
Oh. Yeah, I don't deny it.
 
I have a macbook mid 2012 and whenever I look at new notebooks I wonder if anything changed in what 5 years already?
 
macbooks haven't changed in like a 173 years?
 
I look at my old dell boat, from 2008 it still has a better screen resolution than my current notebook
1920x1280 unlike 1280x768 for macbook
 
Well at least I'll have my first non-power-of-two core count box.
 
4:32 AM
Can't wait to have my place and nobody kicking me out everytime I start living nicely
 
That's going to wreck having on my super-optimizer. But I've been delaying that support for a while.
 
won't have to buy notebooks anymore
 
Landlords kicking you out?
 
Nah family
 
How many times can you get kicked out by your family?
 
4:35 AM
once in France, during vacation
now in Russia it's impossible to live with my mother in law so in 1 year we changed places at least 3 times... I though we settled and again
her new boyfriend is a dick
anyhow, is it even worth it buying a computer display?
 
computer display?
 
They're getting pretty cheap now.
 
I mean, technically I could simply buy a good tv and hook it
 
4ks for under $300.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Don't. TVs suck at close viewing.
It will kill your eyes.
 
4:42 AM
I'm working with a tv right now
looks pretty much like an ordinary flat screen
 
Some TVs are okay. But most aren't.
The only TV I have that's okay a 27 in. Samsung.
But even that had some weird color adjustments I couldn't figure out.
 
The only problem I have with this tv is that the screen goes dark randomly
 
I also have a 27 in. Samsung monitor with the same 1080p resolution. Much better.
 
not sure what's the problem
it's weird because my computer doesn't seem to sense hdmi is disconnected so doesn't look like a cable problem
when screen go dark, sound still work
 
Isn't that just the computer turning it off to save power?
 
4:45 AM
no, shouldn't because it does it when I'm typing
 
oh
 
and when it goes off the screen turn blue
 
Is that because of the BSOD? :P
 
but there is still a problem with the cables... If I don't plug them correctly I can see red artifacts
linux doesn't have BSOD
 
5:34 AM
Just had 3 dozens oyster & some prawns, going to drive back some 150 kms. Going to be fun if food poisoning
 
@Mysticial Should've been 2 messages.
 
 
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8:09 AM
Will this "learning C/C++" nonsense ever die? Sometimes I wish I could go back in time and convince Bjarne to name the language something completely different.
 
such as RPL, Robert Programming Language
 
nwp
Let's found a company C++INC dedicated to spreading the message "C++ Is Not C".
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Stroustrup could have namend the language after himself. Or he could have chosen a word similar to his name, like this:
Stoßtrupp ist eine Angriffsformation der Infanterie, die durch Umgliederung eines Infanteriezuges in eine Sturmgruppe und eine Deckungsgruppe gebildet wird. Entwickelt wurde sie als Angriffsform gegen Feindkräfte in offenen Feldbefestigungen (siehe dazu auch Sturmbataillon). Heute wird diese Formation insbesondere im Orts- und Häuserkampf sowie im Waldkampf gegen einen Feind in Feldstellungen eingesetzt. Der Kampf im Stoßtruppverfahren erfordert eine intensive Ausbildung und hohe körperliche Leistungsfähigkeit aller eingesetzten Soldaten. Neben dem drillmäßigen Beherrschen von Standardsituationen…
 
 
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10:18 AM
@StackedCrooked dunno but I likely broke coliru again (nothing comes back - empty source/output - and timeout is consistently at 60s now, that's also suspicious I think)
@fredoverflow It's not nonsense though. The languages are vastly different, but it's not nonsense to learn both, not even at the same time. Of course, that's assuming (a lot of) experience. It's a lot easier for noobs to learn 1 at a time
@Telkitty Finally, a decent pun. Thank you for continuing to play!
Oh the lead-up detracts a bit from the pun. More like chewing-out of the ready-made pun, but still +.5 for associating Piotr
 
@sehe Okay, I'm game. Why would a professional programmer want to learn C and C++ at the same time?
 
10:42 AM
@fredoverflow I thought Kotlin was in
 
@Horttanainen Kotlin is indeed a strongly-hyped language, if that's what your getting at.
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11:20 AM
Two questions, is leaking undefined behavior?
Is Foo* ptr = new Foo(); new (ptr) Foo(); undefined behavior?
(that is, constructing an object in the place of another one, without destroying that one first)
also Foo is not trivially destructible
otherwise it doesn't matter
 
Ell
11:54 AM
Yes it's undefined
 
Today I met someone who pronounced C++ as C double plus
maybe from now on, I will pronounce it as C increment
 
C+²
 
@fredoverflow not enough buzzwords: "Kotlin is a strongly typed Kotlin"
 
the talk started when I asked someone what language was the programmable drone using
apparently it's a subset of (maybe mutated) C++
 
@Eli you know which part of the standard declares this?
is it due to placement new requiring space not occupied by other objects? or because the destructor must run?
 
12:20 PM
stealth starbucks
@Telkitty Post-increment
 
C post increment
 
maybe bjarne should have named it ++C so people would be less confused
 
that would be increment C
 
user1804599
12:45 PM
@gnzlbg Only if the destructor has "side-effects that the program depends on".
 
user1804599
> if there is no explicit call to the destructor or if a delete-expression (5.3.5) is not used to release the storage, the destructor shall not be implicitly called and any program that depends on the side effects produced by the destructor has undefined behavior.
 
user1804599
This is extremely vague, but what would you expect from a specification written in English.
 
@rightfold odd wording
 
even for a specification written in english, this is annoyingly weasel wording
 
@milleniumbug I know what they are trying to allow, but it is pretty horrible wording
 
12:57 PM
My brother's concert is canceled because of the rain T___T
I'm sad.
 
1:12 PM
@rightfold so if you reuse the storage of an object without calling its destructor, the object is dead or alive?
for trivially destructible types, the object is dead
otherwise, the only way for an object to be dead is to call its destructor
if I reuse the storage for some other object without calling the destructor, that kind of must be UB
otherwise references to the original object should still be valid (because I didn't call the destructor and hence the object is still alive)
but this can't work in practice
 
1:29 PM
Writing Haskell feels like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick
 
1:45 PM
gold has very high density, large gold brick would be very very heavy
 
user1804599
Writing Haskell feels like a delightful conversation between human and machine.
 
user1804599
Provided you disable let generalization, of course, so that typed holes become useful.
 
2:47 PM
Lol, Clang complains because deduction guides have internal linkage but no definition.
Of course they don't have a definition, they're deductions guides ç_ç
Well, guess I won't use them for now then.
 
2:59 PM
Hey it's that time of the year again.
BONNE ST-JEAN /cc @Borgleader
 
user784668
3:14 PM
Fine covfefe to you all!
 
user784668
@Morwenn hahahaha what?
 
@Telkitty How about calling C# "C with glasses"?
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C hash
 
hashtag C
#C#
 
@Fanael That's when you remember the C++17 support is still "experimental" :p
 
user784668
3:17 PM
@Morwenn There's no such thing as "experimental".
 
user784668
If you don't use all C++17 features, your code is bad and you should feel bad.
 
@Fanael There is. It means "expect bugs".
 
user784668
@Morwenn No, that's implied by the fact that Clang is a piece of software.
 
@Fanael "Expect a higher amount of bugs with new features" then.
 
@Fanael Sometimes I yearn for simpler languages with less features...
 
user784668
3:22 PM
@rightfold lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel Bonne St-Jean :D
 
 
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4:54 PM
@fredoverflow Me too. Then I actually use one...
 
user1804599
5:22 PM
What should I use to decode little-endian encoded floats from a byte array?
 
user1804599
I only care about x86-64. Is, given these guarantees, memcpy sufficiently portable?
 
user1804599
Oh I can just look here for the algorithm and translate it to C++: hackage.haskell.org/package/cereal-0.5.4.0/docs/…
 
user1804599
wordToFloat w = unsafeDupablePerformIO $ alloca $ \(ptr :: Ptr Word32) -> do
    poke ptr w
    peek (castPtr ptr)
 
user1804599
are you fucking kidding me
 
user1804599
memcpy it is.
 
6:33 PM
Looks like using Args::operator()...; worked :o
I thought it would choke on SFINAE, not taking the constraints into account.
 
6:59 PM
Hello, Cruel World!
 
goodbye motherfucker
/bang
 
7:15 PM
oh BTW rules are unpinned
 
Hey! You! Did you read the rules? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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I could perform my ownerly duty by re-pinning the rules, or, I could buy more games on the Steam Summer Sale.
 
Thanks
 
don't look at me
I just bought Shadow of Mordor
 
7:44 PM
Good evening everyone including Jerry Coffin
 
Hi
 
hello
 
I've been offered a position at a great company that I would rate above my current skills, that was a shock to me but it's going to be a great incentive to learn and develop myself
But now I need to rehash my C++ knowledge in about two to three weeks' time.. how would you go about that?
 
Start an interesting project. Suffer. Learn.
 
Nah, that's already being done, it's not quite what I'm after (decent advice still)
What I need is to go through C++ and organise the knowledge, so to say, recall everything, like for an interview
Will a book like Professional C++ or the Primer suffice?
 
7:50 PM
No idea, I never read these books.
 
OK, I see
 
@iksemyonov I wouldn't
C++ is not the kind of thing where you can just recall everything in a couple of weeks
 
@Puppy Why?
 
Too many things.
 
if it's been so long you've forgotten, it'll take a lot longer than a week or two to remember
 
7:56 PM
Oh. Weel, it's not like I don't know C++ at all.
 
uh huh
 
I use it regularly, but probbaly don't have a systematic knowledge really
 
omg steam power has been so beefed in Factorio 0.15
 
 
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11:26 PM
@Morwenn ooooh, I like v. much
 

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