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12:00 AM
I think you'll find that the rights of ordinary citizens to go about their business without fear of being shot to death randomly on the street is somewhat more concerning than being charged a few hundred quid for placing your vag on someone's face on camera for money once in a while
if you don't, I can't help you.
again, though, I didn't read the article. So maybe it says just that.
 
12:28 AM
@Borgleader WOW
 
12:41 AM
One thing I've always wondered is why some people use quotation marks for emphasis when they are quite commonly used for sarcasm or double entendre
 
@Aaron3468 The store is a scam poorly in disguise.
 
Maybe, but I find it most hilarious on police cars in Comic Sans
 
12:55 AM
My new email server is a working beauty - all the relevant stuff and few spams
hope the good condition is going to last a bit longer
 
It's 2017. You don't need "a new email server"
 
it's not terribly hard to set it up
also the company that runs the vps was rather nice, they helped me setting it up
besides it sits on ubuntu, linux generally changes less than windows
so hopefully what I have learnt now is going to keep on working in 10-20 years time
"learn once, work a life time"
besides hotmail, gmail and likes probably use your mails for big data, which I would rather not be a part of
 
1:51 AM
If you want to learn once and work a lifetime, software is not for you... Or at least that's the impression I get
 
 
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2:51 AM
In May 1972, the go-ahead was given for what have become the longest space exploration missions yet. Voyager 2 and then 1 were launched in 1977. Both probes continue to send data back to earth from the farthest visited reaches of space.
As you can see, what's doing no others are doing wasn't written in the latest technology. Latest technology are sadly used for most common stuff.
 
 
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5:00 AM
that time of the month
Also ... until recently, I could not recall how many jobs have had, how many apps I have made or how many countries I have been to. I could remember details in each of them just not total number. Maybe life shouldn't be about numbers ...
 
5:47 AM
@VermillionAzure If I were to go to Hawaii would you like to meetup?
 
6:37 AM
I searched for 'lonest human', instead I have been showing results for 'longest human'
s/lonest/loniest
loneliest ... coz wanna C some videos about people living by themselves for 10+ years
 
7:20 AM
Just finished Kemono Friends, a really upbeat kid's anime with a depressing backstory. I spotted at least two gravemarkers. /cc @Mysticial @Mikhail
 
7:37 AM
I feel academia is God's punishment for vanity.
 
Wait, oh god, I meant to tag @Xeo instead of you Mikhail, unless you happen to enjoy animels
 
I was confused.
 
Yeah, I saw your name, was tired, and it turned into one of the things I typed ^^;
How are you being punished for vanity?
 
Because I'm working like 12 hour days, and the more successful I am the more they make me work. For example, in a few hours I built a proof of concept microscope system, now I need to show somebody who has no clue how to use it.
It took me 3 hours to built it, because he is a first year student from a biology field this guy will take years to learn how to use the system and process out the data. Most likely, he'll make me do most of the work, falsify some results, and get a low paying job upon graduation. And this shit happens every week...
Then after 5 hours of dealing with people (the people I work with leave after 5 hour days), I can actually do my own research work.
 
So you help everybody else with their work, then get to do your work?
 
7:50 AM
Yes, but increasingly I come up with it, or do it in whole.
 
I had a hard time doing chores and hobbies with 8 hour days, so I can't imagine 12 hour days and then taking my work home because I have to design it in time.
 
Yeah, so I don't have those
 
You just live in your office on The Lounge all day?
 
Kinda. I'm in the Lounge when I'm coding. And I'm in my lab for like 12 hours a day.
 
Wow...
 
7:54 AM
This comic summarizes my life:
Anyways, the moral is don't do graduate school in a field even remotely next to biology.
 
I had to baby sit the lone pet chicken when mum was doing gardening
but my chicken was very interested in my website & apps for some reasons, probably the screen change colour was what attracted her
this is what happens when you fence neither your chicken or vege patch in
so the chicken was sitting on the arm of the chair while I was trying to fix some code
@Mikhail I love to listen to your whine about your love and hate relationship with your graduate work
if you really hate it that much you would have quit
 
But I'm really good at it...
 
Biotechnology?
 
Yeah, although mostly image processing and microscopy
Its actually a really bad field. The barrier of entry is very low and its over populated.
 
8:23 AM
hello, I have a question, can I ask for help here?
 
Truth is mixed
Try the C++ question room
 
thx
 
8:50 AM
@SpongyFruitcake ran into these chaps today
 
9:38 AM
@LucDanton What game is that?
 
Jesus christ
The state of JS frameworks is awful
Every single fucking stupid framework recites "It is recommended that you scaffold a project using X"
You dumb fuck
What if I need to import 3 libraries
Do I scaffold 3 projects and merge all of them manually
You dumb bimbo
Look at this shit
The only way to set up a project/install is via scaffolding
How about you tell me how it works with Webpack so I can plug it in to an existing project
 
@Shoe Javascript dev chat group may provide you some pshycological support :P
 
I'm in a murderous mood
But yeah
 
but I feel safe because hard to kill over the internet some 5000+km away
 
9:55 AM
Tell that to Kim Jong Un
Who's closer to him? Eh?
 
his wife probably
 
Is it you Mrs. Jong Un?
Wait
He has a wife?
 
pip+frozen was dependency hell, but as the language matured, the problems have eased
 
why is copy & pasted command not saved in history on linux over putty?
 
9:58 AM
Bash history is written when you press enter...
 
I pasted and pressed enter
it's not saved in history
didn't know linux had the first keylogger (history)
 
press up
 
@Shoe Webpack, you poor sod.
I agree that JS is batshit insane in this area, we import all our dependencies as UMD modules now
@Shoe npm install, then require normally
 
10:16 AM
For some reasons I love to watch hen with baby chicks like this:
 
@Puppy Webpack is used as a command line tool
And needs specific configuration files
And it also needs to setup babel and configure that too
 
I know
you shouldn't need that stuff for your dependencies
 
So it's not that simple as "npm install & require"
 
they should come pre-built
at least the ones we use did
 
It's for the stuff that you write
Not the ones that you use
I'm using Vue, so every time I write a Vue component I need webpack to build it into a classic JS file
Otherwise .vue files are unreadable to the main JS application
 
10:18 AM
are Vue components not just normal JS files?
 
Nope
 
that's pretty fuckin' dumb
 
I might have thought there would be a webpack loader for it
 
Well, theoretically you can use it without those files
As normal JS
But I can't be arsed to write HTML and CSS in strings
 
10:19 AM
ah looks a lot like JSX
 
@Puppy There's
 
hmm
this just looks like React but shit
 
It's react but better
Trust me, I know things
 
whats better about it?
 
There are rumors that React devs are racists
 
10:21 AM
lol
 
You wouldn't use products written by racists would ya
I'm jking
I dunno, it feels simpler
Honestly it's just "feelings"
 
it feels simpler, it's just that I'm mixing several different languages with a bunch of custom syntax and need massive complicated build pipelines to manage?
think I'll stick with React
 
If I can set it up correctly, I'll tell you if it's worth it or not
 
fair enough
 
@Puppy Not that react doesn't need that AFAIK
 
10:22 AM
it certainly doesn't
 
I doubt JSX is a format that can be executed directly by the browser
 
don't need to use JSX
 
Doesn't it use browserify or babel or webpack?
 
and I certainly don't because it's fucking horrible
 
@Puppy What's the alternative?
 
10:23 AM
you don't need to use any of those things
@Shoe <span>text</span> -> dom.span(null, "text")
JSX basically just transforms HTML-alike into plain JS function calls
you can just call the JS functions yourself
which is exactly what I do because JSX is so fucking ugly and a plain bad idea
as for module loaders/packers/etc, it's completely dealer's choice, you can use whatever you want however you want
the React interface is just "Pass in class, receive element", how you came by the class is your problem
 
Vue can also be used that way
 
for instance we use Typescript, and we did use Webpack but switched to RequireJS because Webpack is fucking awful, and React is quite happy with that
 
But scoped CSS and JS sound like a good idea
 
fuck CSS
 
You basically create components that are isolated and communicate via messages
eh, ikr
You can also use Sass
 
10:27 AM
one of the things I like about React is that I can drop CSS almost entirely
 
Or Jade for HTML
or whatever
@Puppy How so?
 
I put my styles in style attributes
 
That sounds bad if you want to reuse styles
 
nope
they're just plain JS objects, you can re-use them the same way you would re-use any JS code.
define some constants, define some functions that return them, pass them in as props, whatever makes you happy
 
Right, but what about the generated HTML?
 
10:29 AM
what about it?
 
It has duplicated "style=..."s everywhere, no?
Unless you use some compiler
 
well, yes, the raw HTML has a bunch of duplicated styles in it
but so far I've found no reason to care
 
I'd feel dirty I think
 
HTML is for the browser to read
the only thing that matters is that when the browser reads it, it produces the correct result.
 
It feels like if the C++ compiler was to inline all function calls before compiling
 
10:31 AM
can't do that, recursion and other stuff
but frankly, if the C++ compiler wants to, I'm good with that
 
Your point is that it's implementation detail?
 
pretty much
it simply doesn't matter if the HTML has duplicated style attributes in it
and the advantage is that you gain code worth writing and that can actually be read
 
I dunno
JS development used to be as simple as "drag and drop this minified file and include it in your HTML file"
Now it's all so complicated
 
that's because it's not shit.
but frankly, you don't need any of the more complicated stuff, really
 
What do you use?
 
10:38 AM
we use Typescript with React
we also use RequireJS for external modules but frankly fuck them, they were totally unnecessary and pointless
 
No node stuff?
 
no
 
lucky
 
we, at most, use npm to download a couple packages
oh, we do run Gulp on Node, but that's just to invoke minifiers and stuff
 
Anyway
I'll give it a try and report back
 
10:41 AM
give what a try?
 
Vue.js
I can almost see the light at the end of this npm install tunnel
 
there is no light.
trust me
Webpack is a worthless sack of shit
 
11:00 AM
gulp iis an awesomwe tool..
 
11:13 AM
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Q: NPM vs. Bower vs. Browserify vs. Gulp vs. Grunt vs. Webpack

Volodymyr BakhmatiukI'm trying to summarize my knowledge about the most popular JavaScript package managers, bundlers, and task runners. Please correct me if I'm wrong: npm & bower are package managers. They just download the dependencies and don't know how to build projects on their own. What they know is to call...

so much crap
 
Ell
that must be a joke :P
 
@fredoverflow lol
 
11:26 AM
@fredoverflow Found at Reddit?
 
@ProblemSlover sure
 
10 minutes later Spotify is still loading
npm also still loading
Nothing works
Why am I coding on a saturday afternoon?
It takes a fool to remain sane in this mess
 
@Shoe What else would you do? Go outside? Bwahaha
 
So, where can I find a botany tutorial?
 
11:38 AM
@Shoe Just plant stuff and wait for it to grow? Dunno
 
put money under your bed and make them to grow..
financial botany
 
nwp
you can tell it's a good book because it has "in a day" in the title
 
@fredoverflow Tried that, it threw NotEnoughWater exception
 
11:52 AM
you need an AsynchronousWaterFactory
 
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nwp
12:45 PM
such a bullydog
 
1:14 PM
> Orinoco Flow is a beautiful sing.
I must say knowing the actual lyrics makes it not a bit better.
 
@sehe They say "don't cry for me Argentina"
 
@sehe :(
 
1:31 PM
@LucDanton Don't tell me you use discord for gw2 but not lounge
 
1:44 PM
TIL that my college's website is susceptible to SQL injections
lol
Oh wait, perhaps it's just the mobile version, I can't reproduce it anymore
Or maybe the computer office reacted to our email already
 
And that's weird, why?
 
@Shoe Was that a reply to me?
Nope still works: magd.cam.ac.uk/code/search, search for ');--
 
Ell
Idk why it's weird, the website looks v old
 
It is
Churchill college's website is also susceptible to SQL injections
:D
 
Ell
But is Balliol College Oxford susceptible?
I bet it isn't
balliol.ox.ac.uk much nicer website :P
 
1:50 PM
Isn't that the one Christopher Hitchens was on
@Ell That's pretty random, anyway
 
Ell
@Columbo they won university challenge
they beat Wolfson, Cambridge
 
Fuck Oxford, we beat them in rankings
 
Ell
Rankings mean nothing
 
Challenges mean nothing
 
Ell
Tell Stephen Hawking that :D
 
1:53 PM
@Columbo Ye
 
@Shoe I can't parse this
 
Didn't you get the memo? Everything is terrible
 
Did you mean "And that's weird why exactly", or "And that's weird... why is that so"
 
The former
 
Oh, okay. Well, this isn't weird, but it's funny
Since I expected Cambridge colleges to hire some halfway professional web designers
Who take some countermeasures against infamous exploits everyone learns about as a young code monkey
 
2:05 PM
I've never observed any university or college acting in a competent way in any matter.
I've only heard that it might theoretically happen (e.g. FredOverflow)
 
Ell
2:28 PM
@Puppy but you have a grudge against educational institutes :P
 
primarily due to issue #1
 
 
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3:59 PM
@Puppy This is very sad
 
@Ell I've interviewed there.
 
You've done the interview or you've been interviewed?
I'm guessing it's the latter
 
@Puppy You are the grumpiest person I have ever met.
 
you haven't met cat then
6
 
No
@Puppy what makes you tick?
 
4:12 PM
my goodness
Jul 7 '15 at 20:52, by Cat Plus Plus
Windows and Linux are equally shit because all software is shit
Jul 7 '15 at 20:52, by Cat Plus Plus
But then there's long pause
Jul 7 '15 at 20:52, by Cat Plus Plus
And OSX
Jul 7 '15 at 20:52, by Cat Plus Plus
garbage
you don't know grumpiness until you know Cat
 
A modern haiku
 
@jaggedSpire omg this is great
 
@milleniumbug yep :)
 
@jaggedSpire do you know the classic?
2
 
@milleniumbug I found it one day browsing through conversations :)
 
4:22 PM
@Horttanainen We've met?
 
@Puppy You know what I mean
 
listen
I'm not grumpy at all
4
I simply have standards
 
(C++98, C++11, C++14, ...)
 
@Puppy Fair enough
 
@milleniumbug Thank you for this, it was epic
 
4:29 PM
@Borgleader :V
 
4:41 PM
@Horttanainen He's working at become a curmudgeon, but along with being surly, it carries a connotation of wisdom that only comes with great age.
4
 
@Puppy I would like to read your code but cannot find any
Except your numerous answers
 
@milleniumbug That's still good, and still a good representation of Katt
 
Ell
5:07 PM
Anybody here with numpy experience that can help me decipher some indexing?
 
no
@Horttanainen Well, the vast majority of it is in the repositories of my employer
 
5:25 PM
@Puppy Isn't Wide in a public repo?
 
yep
also the thing I've been working on more recently
 
If he really cares, seems like a possible starting point.
 
I dunno
wouldn't say that it was my best work
 
Puppy
Are there any docs about wide and can you send me a link?
 
not really
 
5:28 PM
The README says to visit your dead page
 
it expired some time ago and I did not restore it
I've been thinking about whether I want to revive it since allegedly all the features I need are now implemented
but suffice to say I'd need to fix a lotta stuff
 
I think it's worth pursuing more
not sure why though :P
 
well
allegedly Clang finally implemented things like debug info compatibility with VS
so it might be possible to build something I'd actually want to use
uh oh
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5:53 PM
9 messages moved to Trash can
 
why I can't shitting in the bin :/
 
@Puppy there you go, hopefully now you know which chatroom...
 
what chatroom
4
 
Hello, Cruel World!
@Ell have you tried Room 6?
 
Ell
@Code-Apprentice No
 
6:05 PM
@Code-Apprentice Good Morafterevenight!
 
@Ell You can likely get some help there
At least you are likely to find someone with the required expertise
 
Ven
Hi
 
6:21 PM
@Puppy that chatroom
@Ven hi
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire how're you doing?
 
a-okay. :) You?
 
@jaggedSpire The blue chatroom. Definitely not the red chatroom.
 
6:45 PM
@Puppy What are you working on now?
 
@JerryCoffin what if I grind both to a powder and snort the mixture
 
@Horttanainen trying to make a UI library that is not shit
 
Could you point me to its source? I would like to see
 
@Puppy Why have you chosen c# over c++?
 
6:57 PM
because C++ contains a bunch of pointless arsing around?
sure, it's conceptually a lot cleaner (the good parts), but not worth the shite
 
I do not know differences between c++ and c#. Just wanted to know if there was a specific reason to pick other.
 
C# is kinda like C++, but without any of the good bits or any of the bad bits
it's much easier to write something that's not perfect, but really good enough
 
I see. I am currently trying to find a file which is longer than 50 lines
 
background update context
 
@jaggedSpire "And, like a fool, I mixed them and it strangled up my mind and now people just get uglier and I have no sense of ... time." (Bob Dylan)
 
7:12 PM
hello everyone
 
7:26 PM
This is one trend-ing I can get behind
@KriszDev Why delete that good joke :)
@trilolil Browser history. A good invention
 
7:51 PM
@sehe Life is an STD with a 100% mortality rate.
3
 
Xeo
8:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes were you coming this Uncon?
 
by the way
I TPKed my party last session
 
Xeo
bad GM
 
yeah
I thought an encounter would be too easy so I buffed it up a bit
turns out that at first level, if the NPC rolls for max damage, he can one-hit a PC
ah well
it actually worked out quite well to my advantage
 
What game are you talking about?
@Puppy I made a pull request
 
D&D 5e
 
Ven
8:20 PM
@jaggedSpire lazying in london'
 
Xeo
@Puppy how so?
 
@Xeo Well, I needed a reason to kick the players off the current quest and on to a new one, and getting their asses kicked by a bunch of nonames was a handy exxcuse
 
Xeo
err
railroading = bad
 
well it was their choice to start poking through the rooms of an unfriendly place ;p
I have to admit though, sometimes I struggle to find the middle ground where you can provide a coherent and structured plot without railroading the players
I try to give my players choices but don't know what to do if they make choices that don't provide the opportunity for the primary plot to proceed
also, I need to give them reasons why they should pick each choice and provide context for it
can't just open the campaign by saying "Choose whether or not the king should live or die"
 
Xeo
8:35 PM
give up on "plot"
and build a "world" instead
with many potential plots
 
well, I have a world
 
Xeo
also if a plot device doesn't work out in one place
make it appear in another
 
but I wanted to offer my players a chance to significantly alter it
besides
realistically, they just happened to start out in a part of the world where shit was going down
 
 
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11:36 PM
What's up buttercup
@SpongyFruitcake I'm leaving for the summer to Seattle but I guess why not? If you come during Fall I'll probably still be here.
 

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