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8:00 PM
@Borgleader "the repo" - which one :) You get all the sub modules and they're not shallow unless you make it so
 
@sehe this one wasnt aware of any other
 
hey folks
 
@sehe I guess git submodule update --init --recursive --depth 1 would do it, right?
 
4 mins ago, by sehe
Oh look. @TemplateRex has a new question
:P
 
@набиячлэвэлиь No idea.
@Borgleader He knows. I'm already commenting there.
 
8:02 PM
ah
 
Ven
@rightfold so how do you like racket so far?
 
@sehe but if minmax can return const int&, why can't I?
 
It's freak coincidence I saw it. It's the first time in ... months I hit the tag for fun
@TemplateRex I have no idea. It's the first time I heard of minmax
 
well, min and max both return references
 
That's. Weird in my mind. I must be wrong here because the committee members are all smarter than me
 
8:04 PM
@sehe lol, it's been in Boost for ages (2004)
 
Ven
@rightfold so you gave up on your lisp-to-hack with static types? :(
 
14
Q: If std::max() returns by reference (as it must), might that lead to a dangling reference?

Dan NissenbaumConsider the paradigmatic max template function, std::max(): // From the STL // TEMPLATE FUNCTION _Debug_lt template<class _Ty1, class _Ty2> inline bool _Debug_lt(const _Ty1& _Left, const _Ty2& _Right, _Dbfile_t _File, _Dbline_t _Line) { // test if _Left < _Right and operator

 
@fredoverflow Hehe.
 
@sehe i'm adding lifetime issues to my list of 2 hard things in computing
 
8:10 PM
@rightfold Pretty
 
@TemplateRex Lifetimes are trivial if you use a language that handles them non-shittily
Or, rather, at all
 
Ven
:D
@набиячлэвэлиь I can bet you mostly never had the impression to "fight" the lifetime system in rust
(except for overly-conversative "shared" 1edit-N views)
 
Mostly when doing some Very Nasty Multithreading I Shouldn't Be Doing Anyway
 
Ven
every C or C++ person I talk to that tries rust is like "fighting the borrow checker? how so?"
 
> >C/C++
I'm gonna fite you irl
 
8:13 PM
Because they are used to worse
 
Ven
@набиячлэвэлиь you know very well what I mean. And my use was valid, as "/" is often used to mean "or".
 
No wonder this wasnt building properly, CMake was pointing to a really old version of boost in a MinGW install i had somewhere. That explains all the "unknown compiler version" messages I was getting.
 
or C{,++}, lol
 
Ven
C[++] doesn't work tho
 
8:15 PM
Yeah "C{,++}, lol" is the most appropriate
 
Ven
:)
@набиячлэвэлиь Admit my use (with "/" used as "or") was correct. Or add other languages to the mix!
 
C/C++/Haskell
 
It's about the principle of the thing
 
Ven
I feel you.
 
@Ven C++ has RAII, C doesn't. I don't see how C/C++ applies here.
 
Ven
8:16 PM
that's why I edited the message.
 
@Shoe low-level/gamedev/LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ABSOLUTE HORSE-FUCKING-HOCKEY
 
They all share something. Guess what
 
Ven
@fredoverflow You're implying you don't have to do mental lifetime management in both, lol.
 
inb4 they are PL (if so, fuck you)
 
C and C++ are both things.
 
8:17 PM
@Shoe PL = ???
 
Ven
holy mother of flags -_-"
 
@набиячлэвэлиь programming languages
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Poland
 
@Borgleader too generic :P
 
Okay so should I call it "cute" or "Que Tee" ?
 
8:18 PM
@Shoe Not all of them share one single common thing
@Mikhail best of both worlds: "cutie"
 
@Mikhail Queue<T>
 
lol, my Q&A answered by a new user, great way to enter SO @user6362820 and welcome!
 
@TemplateRex Is it several years old? I love when this happens.
 
@fredoverflow the question was asked today, minmax is several years old, but apparently rather obscure as @sehe didn't know about it
 
8:22 PM
@fredoverflow I need to write a kernel module, you fucking n00b
I feel this is a valid raisin
 
> C encourages a very down-to-earth programming style because writing slow code in C is physically painful.
 
Ven
no you should use a systems language like go or nodejs
 
@fredoverflow s/slow//
 
In what world Go or JS are systems languages
 
nwp
@fredoverflow I actually somewhat agree with that. In C you never ever concatenate strings because it is just too annoying. In C++ you do it all the time because it is easy.
 
Ven
8:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus rob pike knows better than you, fool
 
Ven
your butts are not web-skäle
 
Strings in C are so efficient!

char buf[100];    // should be large enough, hopefully...
strcpy(buf, a);
strcat(buf, b);   // must scan for terminating NUL
strcat(buf, c);   // must scan for terminating NUL again :(
 
Pascal strings FTW
 
@fredoverflow And UB at every corner
 
8:26 PM
So, for anybody under 40, whats special about Pascal strings?
 
a + b + c in Java is easier to read/write/maintain, more efficient and also secure.
 
@Mikhail Theyre going to revolutionize the gaming industry
 
@Mikhail They know their length.
 
oops wrong Pascal
 
nwp
@fredoverflow C programmers wouldn't do that. They either directly create a, b, c inside buf or merge at the usage site.
 
8:27 PM
@Mikhail what
 
@fredoverflow Sounds like Java
 
How is one's age relevant to knowing what Pascal strings are
 
Also std::strings know their length
 
nwp
@Mikhail the first byte is the length?
 
Ven
@Mikhail they store the length first
@набиячлэвэлиь idk. I'm 21, but I guess I'm so boring I count as 40+
 
8:28 PM
@Ven I'm 15 and I count as 40+ :P
 
Ven
because fuck you, nab.
:)
 
Not with the dankless memes again
 
Ven
sorry, please don't judge me.
That crashed my lounge chrome tab. What the fuck?
 
9:15 PM
obviously a defect in Chrome
 
Ven
also chrome keeps crashing on twitch. Annoying.
 
9:31 PM
 
nwp
@Ven use livestreamer
 
@Ven not for me
 
9:47 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь They all suck? :P
 
@TemplateRex Oh god; another question I knew about, upvoted, and completely forgot about
@TemplateRex I pledge no allegiance to Boost
@набиячлэвэлиь +1
@TemplateRex How long have you been a C++ programmer (don't answer :)).
The only two cases of UB I introduced over the last months of professionally doing C++ have been related to lifetimes of temporaries.
I wonder who user6362820 is
 
Ugh builds failing because http://git.savannah.gnu.org is down
 
nwp
 
nwp
whenever I delete the "spam" it marks something else as spam
 
user1804599
9:57 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь El Niño caused drought in the savannah.
 
I need a 4th monitor... Twitch, Cookie Clicker and Visual Studio are filling up the 3 I have and now I cant see SO chat :(
 
user1804599
@sehe never try Rust
 
Alternatively you can use a javascript debugger to ruin Cookie Clicker
 
wheres the fun in that =/
(inb4 wheres the fun in cookie clicker)
 
10:01 PM
you will be free
 
i will be bored
 
red pill man
 
user1804599
@sehe Donald Trump
 
Hi
 
should I take a nap y/n
 
Ven
10:08 PM
y
 
@jaggedSpire y
 
excellent
see you peeps later I got a bed to molest
 
google how to serialize stuff to a database, ofc i find an answer by @sehe
 
user1804599
@digijap hello
 
@Borgleader Sqlite, IIRC
 
10:11 PM
yes, im interested in mongodb, lets see if i can adapt something
 
user1804599
SQLite is absolutely awesome
 
@rightfold how are you?
 
user1804599
indifferent
 
hmm
the head of our government's finance ministry is an utter moron
he's talking about how house prices will be lower outside the EU as if that means you should vote to stay in
now I'm seriously considering voting out
 
user1804599
Tomorrow I'll work on iron and hook up psc to it
 
10:20 PM
@digijap and you :)
 
Ven
@rightfold nice
is your typed-lisp-to-hack dead? :P
 
user1804599
Absolutely
 
@Borgleader rip
 
@sehe hehe im fine
 
what brings you here :)
 
10:24 PM
Starting to learn C++, thought it would be a good idea to join a community for programming online
 
Oh. I'm not sure you're in the right spot. Although lurking can certainly teach you a /lot/ about C++ (mostly the corny cruft)
 
Ven
..only the stuff you don't want to know
(but should because it's heck)
 
:) Of course it's not true, but it's funny enough. Yes people rant on websites. So, why would we try to be an exception
 
Ven
we don't try at all.
 
Im sure you guys know alot more about it than me tbh
Lol
 
10:28 PM
nah we just make it up as we go along
 
Sounds like the typical programmer
 
Ven
same here
you can find proof of my incompetence all over the transcript
 
Self deprecation is a mandatory skill for aspiring devs, apparently
 
Its not so bad from whats on this page tbh
 
Oh. It's the lull before the next (derp) storm.
 
10:31 PM
haha
 
Ven
@sehe sounds boring
also i'm not "aspiring" anymore, sadly
 
So do you speak any language yet? Are you looking for books? I still have some books left-over
 
Im an angularjs developer atm
Started with Python
 
@Ven Wait. Are you a pensioner
 
Ven
and now we here
@sehe co-op student. does it count?
 
10:32 PM
@digijap RIP :)
@digijap Not to bad as a first IMO
@Ven Why did you stop aspiring? Perhaps it doesn't mean what I think it means
 
Never could get into python myself for some reason...
 
Verb: aspire ‎(third-person singular simple present aspires, present participle aspiring, simple past and past participle aspired)
  1. (intransitive) To hope or dream; especially to hope or work towards a profession or occupation (followed by to as a preposition or infinitive particle).
  2. He aspires to become a successful doctor.
  3. Alexander Pope
  4. Aspiring to be angels, men rebel.
  5. (transitive, obsolete) To aspire to; to long for; to try to reach; to mount to.
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Ok, so I meant "present participle of aspire"
 
Welp .. There are worse languages, like php
5
I like to tell myself that
 
That's not even on the same scale
 
@ArchbishopOfBanterbury That's because it's boring
 
10:33 PM
 
Exactly what you would expect
 
When I started getting into programming, I started just lurking these rooms. It was awesome seeing code i had no clue about and forcing myself to try keep up and understand what it does. It helped a ton :)
 
@Shoe quite right
 
@digijap React for the win
 
@Puppy Oh god here we go
 
10:35 PM
@betarunex You also forgot the vaginal herpes that code gave you
 
@betarunex Yeah, the backend at my job is in C++. I think i could be alot better by just looking at the structure etc. So I want to learn C++ to improve that...
 
@ArchbishopOfBanterbury I dislike the lack of strong typing too much. But I like the language (syntax, expressiveness). Quite a bit.
 
@Puppy I think you're right, but im to far in to go back
 
there's an ng-react directive or something
 
Last time I tried to use Python professionally, though, I landed in a mess on Python3 library dependencies (Python3 were spotty, Python2 versions very buggy)
@Puppy Mmm. Did you try to explain me the other time, or is this really new...
 
10:37 PM
it's not new at all
 
@sehe This only confirmes it lol
 
I'm sure @CatPlusPlus removed his nice blog post :(
It was also quite entertaining.
 
@Puppy enlighten me
 
I actually love the fact that coding frustrates me. I'm completely apathetic to everything else. Coding makes me feel really productive. and it is. Great learning completely new concepts on a regular basis
 
No it wasn't
 
@sehe About?
 
@CatPlusPlus link? (Or are you on a different thread. And hi!)
@Shoe PHP
 
No link
 
I remember that
 
@digijap Honestly, I don't remember the specific libs (suds? Stuff to talk to WCF webservices)
@betarunex filed under "Sado masochist"
Hi there btw
 
10:40 PM
@betarunex I like to see it like little puzzles and solving them one at a time. It get alot of satisfaction(???) out of it
 
@betarunex how come you are "new to programming" but already "MCSD"?
 
lol. I hate the fact that I get a headache from it. But it's kinda like games. more than just puzzle games.
@digijap exactly :)
 
@Puppy nice, i didn't even know this existed. Shame on me.
 
@digijap That kind of kick got me into SO. The little (isolated) challenges to sharpen the saw
 
@sehe What do you mean I'm MCSD? I'm currently in an MCSD course.
 
10:42 PM
Ah. I got that from your profile bio
 
Jul 12 '12 at 17:11, by Domagoj Pandža
user image
Oh god
 
@betarunex I remember when I started work in 1998, they wanted me to get MCSD. I never took to certification well
 
@sehe Oh? I dont remember putting that on my profile though?
 
@Shoe bjootie
@betarunex Obviously, it was hacked. By a psychic
 
@sehe The largest challenge for me is to isolate the problems i need to solve
 
10:44 PM
@sehe I just need it, coz I spent too much time in uni doing other stuff. So now in a college doing a microsoft course. just for some kind of qualification
 
@digijap Practice, prototyping helps me
@betarunex Sounds like it sucks. My lack of certification was never a real issue when I started out
I admit people hired me because affter seeing my work elsewhere
The first employment never extended beyond the legal "trail period" (I ended it :)) and after that I was picked up by my employer of 15+ years
 
This one
 
@sehe That's what im trying to do all the time but sometimes i forget elements that where supposed to be in the prototype but I just forgot it... Shit happens but its the by far the best way imo
 
9 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
No link
 
@sehe I'm actually fine with it. I'm now covering pure programming stuff. Stuff that's new to me and doing markup languages, web development and database stuff. I'm happy where I am to be honest :)
 
10:49 PM
@betarunex What language do you program in?
 
@digijap Yup. I doubt there is another way (unless you're a genius, in which case, why not do maths)
 
@sehe But I'll probably return to uni anyway to get the kind of maths I need to work with graphics properly like I was trying to do
@digijap My favourite? Or which one's I'm currently programming in?
 
@betarunex both
 
@digijap C# no doubt
 
@sehe I read that as a reply to your "Link?"
 
10:51 PM
@digijap Favourite would probably be python. Most used java. Currently C#, SQL, and then markup languages with the styling and javascript.
 
@Shoe I read it as a directive, not a status report. Obviously, it was in reply to my question
 
found it
 
Thanks. Out of respect I hid it in the bin though
 
@sehe That lead to a 404 page
I found the working one
 
Ven
10:53 PM
@digijap try coffeescript
 
@betarunex Nice, python is also one of my favorites
@Ven pls no
 
@Shoe Cool. I'll google for a bit (the title should work)
 
@digijap That's why I love it. No brackets. it forces you to indent properly :)
 
@sehe I can give it to your on discord or twitter
 
@betarunex Oh god the nightmares when i switched ide and the tabs and spaces were all mixed up
 
10:54 PM
@digijap And no variable type declarations. I love it.
@digijap lol. Can well imagine
 
Everyone knows homespring is the best language ever created
 
@ArchbishopOfBanterbury 4Lang would like to have a word with you
 
@Shoe I'll discord for a sec. Because... I can't find it
Feb 5 '14 at 23:36, by sehe
@rightfold ^ meej oe neus gekeke
 
@digijap Which ide's did you use for python though?
 
@digijap Come on, what language can be better than one that is based on the reproductive behaviour of Salmon?
 
10:57 PM
@betarunex Well first i used the python IDLE thingy because my school said i needed to... After i broke loose from that curse i tried PyCharm and used that for a while and wrote my first programs in that. Now i use atom
 
@digijap Ah ok kewl. I just used Notepad++ for it. Then just wrote a bash and bat file to run my stuff easily.
 
Atom is gravitating to minimalism. Soon you'll discover the virtues of Vim
 
@ArchbishopOfBanterbury Okay i googled it and u win
@betarunex I never really understood NotePad++ users whats so appealing to it?
Not bashing just curious
 
> Homespring was the very first metaphor-oriented programming language. These days, of course, there are many others to choose from. Or there will be. Or something.
 
@sehe soontm
 
11:00 PM
lol
 
@digijap It was just what I started with. Had multiple language support and was lightweight. So I just used it. Had everything I needed.
 
@digijap Wanna buy? "™", only $0.02
 
@sehe The problem i have with VIM is that its so hard to customize
 
It's extremely easy to customise Vim
 
@betarunex Ah i see. What do you use now a days?
 
11:02 PM
@digijap entry-level non-horribleness
 
@digijap I think my fav is now sublime. But for C# it's visual studio. And for html it's webstorm.
 
@digijap In fact, it's hard not to IMO. There's only a handfull of settings that are absolutely required in order for it to be a viable editor (~4 lines).
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Hard is the wrong word i think. What i tried to say is there is so much to customize that im never satisfied
 
I routinely type those on new machines, and I don't actually need much more
@digijap Satisfaction comes with time (it's the art of getting tired enough to stop bothering)
 
@fredoverflow No need for a different language, just a different function. sprintf(buf, "%s%s%s", a, b, c);
 
11:04 PM
@betarunex I can relate to that
 
I'm pleased to notice the newbs pass the Lounge flavoured Turing test.
 
Ven
clearly, you mean "flavored" :)
EU pleb!
 
I sort of miss the opportunity to slam the helpful arrow GIFs left and right
 
Any tips for beginning VIM users?
 
We spell it "Flavour" here too...
 
11:05 PM
@digijap Only one: "don't".
 
Have a coworker, not a cheat sheet.
Next best: just RTFM :)
@JerryCoffin Oh you
 
@JerryCoffin What do you use
 
Force
 
@digijap A really sharp, magnetized needle (and no case on the hard drive).
 
@JerryCoffin and a huge ass hammer?
 
11:07 PM
Mastodonts go with the times. They use fossilized hard disks
@digijap That would destroy the data!
 
@digijap Hammer? What would that be for?
 
@JerryCoffin That must take some time to code hello world...
 
@JerryCoffin rage quitting
 
I just write all my code on paper then scan it in
 
@JerryCoffin Acoustic checks (we used them like CRCs)
 
11:08 PM
Using paper kills trees.
 
@digijap That's actually very useful
 
Seriously though, at least recently on Linux I've been using juCi++.
 
 
@betarunex Hmm...time's relative, I guess. It's a lot faster than chiseling it into stone.
 
That lady is probably just an accomplice to a hacker club
 
11:10 PM
@JerryCoffin i'll take a look at it when i'll start with C++ thanks :)
 
@JerryCoffin There must be some hobbyist that actually does something like that. not current harddrives, but custom ones with only a few mb memory.
 
@sehe s/n accomplice/goddess/
 
I stole it from twitter, where they recognized her as such, yes
 
Who is experiences with building their own pc?
 
Sorry, I've only built other peoples' PCs
 
11:13 PM
Lol
 
@qaispak I'm the only person I trust building my pc.
 
@qaispak Building your own PC is a klabberjass for entry here.
 
I got 2 22 inch dell monitors 1080 p led backlit
for 40 a piece
Do you guys reckon it was a good deal?
 
I would've bought one. replace one of my current screens with it
 
idk, using a larger monitor has an adverse effect on compile times
 
11:16 PM
40 dollar/euro/rupee? 40 rupee is a pretty sweet deal tbh
 
dollers!
they're 110 on amazon
just tell me I got a good deal so I can be happy.
 
Its super awesome! You did well
 
!
 
I would've bought both for just $40 each.
 
:(
impossibru!!!
 
11:17 PM
117 Million #LinkedIn Usernames & Passwords from 2012 hack leaked. Korelogic cracked 87% in 5hrs https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/733401054566453248
 
anyway, wonder if my motherboard has enough inputs and if my integrated graphics can handle it. It should be able to..... hopefull.
 
LinkedIn users use bad passwords. What a surprise
 
hopefully*
 
but I already have 3 screens. So I'd just sell one of mine and then resell one of those
 
Do you have all 3 of them horizontally?
 
11:19 PM
yea.
@sehe lol. Who uses "password" or "123456" as their passwords anymore?
 
I just got my 3rd screen. Turned one of them vertical its soooo nice to read reddit and documents on that screen
@betarunex 1324316 linkedin users
 
@digijap my one screen is is a square screen. So that one's good for documents
@digijap XD
 
@betarunex A lot more convenient than a circular one
 
god these people need an introduction to password managers
 
Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
would this processor have a good enough graphics card for me dual monitor setup?
 
11:24 PM
6th gen i5. yes.
 
My laptop has intel HD graphics, and it happily drives 3 monitors (laptop panel + 2 external ~23" dells)
 
ya
yay*
 
up arrow edits, @qaispak
 
just checked. My card plays shadow of mordor on full. and that CPU is only like 1/3rd of the specs. SO yea. It'll be fine no worries
Unless you plan on playing new age games on it
 
New Age. I thought that was hip around 1992
 
11:30 PM
Im off, have a nice evening !
 
Night
 
I just gave up on what's new age. Anything newer than aoe3 is new age for me.
 
@digijap G'night.
 
I really like AEO3 but I hate the online ranking system, its been impossible for me to move up
 
Never played it online.
well... other than on something like game ranger
 
11:32 PM
@betarunex What about AOE II HD?
 
@JerryCoffin awesome. So glad the cap is massive now.
@JerryCoffin But technically it's the the same game just in HD. So even though every fifa is just an HD version of it's predecessor, it's still the same game to me.
 
@betarunex The question was whether it qualifies as "new age" or not, given that the game itself is basically ancient, but with the HD edition, I'd at least assume the graphics are somewhat on the taxing side.
 
that would be a wrong assumption
 
Ok fine. they also update player's names...
 
@Mikhail Okay, fair enough.
 
11:39 PM
@JerryCoffin Have you played aoe2?
It used to be one of my favorite games.
 
aoe2, warcraft3, red alert 2. Those games were epic.
 
Also starcraft and brood war.
 
And counterstrike 1.6. When fps games were rare. Not like now where CoD 29 get's 2.4 million dislike from people that'll buy the game anyway.
 
@StackedCrooked volkoren brood?
 
lol. This got more dislikes than the rebecca black's friday song youtube.com/watch?v=EeF3UTkCoxY
 
11:45 PM
@StackedCrooked Back when it was (reasonably) new, I played it quite a bit. Probably been close to 15 years since I've touched it at all though.
 
Cool.
 
I need addicting games. Like factorio or rimworld or something like that.
 
@betarunex I believe it is the video with the most dislikes.
@betarunex Anno 2070 and Tropico is pretty fun.
 
@Nican Oh yea. Anno 2070. Played that a lot.
 
Cities: Skylines is pretty good too if you like that kind of thing
 
11:47 PM
I'm watching a dude play Stellaris looks fun
 
I played cities skylines and cities XL. Was pretty fun
Stellaris doesn't work on my pc.
 
Looking forward to Dawn of War 3 more than any other game, hoping it's similar to the DOW1 games
 
I need to make a list of games I am looking forward to. I can only think of Yooka-Laylee right now.
 
@StackedCrooked Another I'd like to see updated would be Red Storm Rising. Enjoyed it quite a lot back in the day. Haven't seen anything even vaguely comparable recently though (but I'll admit I haven't spent lots of time looking either).
 
According to Jacksonville meeting report the operator. and unified function call syntax are still being for considered C++17. Weird, I thought they were rejected (for C++17).
Not sure if they mean to include them as a TS.
@JerryCoffin Interesting. I had never heard of this game before.
 

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