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8:00 AM
I could
 
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Java does post-LTO!
 
You mean.. JIT Compilation?
 
I don't think there would be a perf difference
 
> our joints don’t work
That's the worst part; just... devastating
 
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@ThePhD No, I don't, but that is a requisite.
 
user1804599
8:01 AM
Java does optimisations after linking.
 
meh
 
user1804599
At least, HotSpot does.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I'm sure there will be. Unless you enable LTO and you're using a very receent compiler that actually knows how to inline shit at that stage
 
@Rapptz Back from paper-reading land?
 
someone wants me to change my maximum line column size to 80 characters
 
8:01 AM
@elyse HotSpot has been quietly bad ass for more than a decade
 
user1804599
Compile every TU to LLVM bitcode files, then have LLVM optimise them as a single module.
 
when will this trend die
 
user1804599
There's your LTO.
 
@Rapptz It is now...?
 
user1804599
It's pretty easy.
 
8:02 AM
@Rapptz Dropkick them.
 
@sehe what
 
@Rapptz Say that you have very carefully considered their suggestion but that unfortunately you won’t be able to proceed.
 
@Rapptz Precisely. What is is now?
 
125
 
Ok. Seem raisinable
 
user1804599
8:02 AM
Unless you want link-time EBO to happen which probably won't.
 
@Morwenn It's for C++17, right?
 
@sehe I don't see why that wouldn't work :w GCC dumps its entire intermediate representation and so does clang
 
@LucDanton Kinda hard. They reference the holy bible, PEP8.
 
I never knew what PEP stood for.
I should go look it up.
 
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@Rapptz 80 columns is a good guideline. Fuck forcing.
 
user1804599
8:04 AM
So I can nicely edit two files side-by-side and have a file tree open as well.
 
No it’s easy, change some pronouns and you’re good to go.
 
@ThePhD Python Enhancement Proposal.
@elyse I can do that with 125 columns.
 
I’m not saying you should carefully consider their request, I’m saying you should claim you have.
 
Oh, you got it already
 
user1804599
Also works better with some storage devices many people use, such as punched cards.
 
8:05 AM
@Rapptz lol
 
@Rapptz topkek, it's written by Guido. The cargo culting is gonna be great.
 
PEP8 is fine.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz then you must have really good eyes
 
Except that.
 
user1804599
or a really large monitor
 
8:06 AM
My monitor is 1080p.
 
user1804599
then good eyes applies
 
I rarely have lines that reach 125 columns though.
 
> The phone began ringing at Mitchell’s parents’ home. “It sounded like kids,” remembers Mitchell’s father, Mark Henderson, a 44-year-old I.T. executive. “They’d say, ‘Hi, this is Mitchell, I’m at the cemetery.’ ‘Hi, I’ve got Mitchell’s iPod.’ ‘Hi, I’m Mitchell’s ghost, the front door is locked. Can you come down and let me in?’ ” He sighed. “It really got to my wife.” The calls continued for a year and a half.
This shocks me. I didn't expect memes to be carried that far. Waaaaaay too far IYAM. So yeah. Edgiest parts of the internet seems very appropriate. That's not mainstream in any way
 
Realistically speaking they're usually at around 100.
 
Speaking of Python, I actually tw=80 but only for the docstrings. (Which ends up stricter than that in practice what with indentation but oh well.)
 
8:08 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva there's two compilers, and it's only true for recent versions.
 
@Rapptz I'm not saying its not fine, it's just that people are gonna use it as a weapon against All Evil™ they survey in these dark, sinister codelands and wield it for Great Justice℠.
 
@sehe Welcome to humanity.
 
You don't have to do the sad face.
 
@sehe Its horrifying.
 
There's far worse than that btw.
 
user1804599
8:08 AM
I keep lines under 80 columns with 8-space indentation.
 
user1804599
But then again I'm good at abstraction so.
 
9 mins ago, by sehe
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Rightfully so. It's better to just state intent. The whole separation of implementation is bogus here
@elyse lol
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I'm not sure I want to know (now I do... :()
 
user1804599
laughing at C# programmers who have at least three levels of mandatory indentation
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Want to ask... but know I shouldn't...
 
ITT indentation is lack of abstraction
 
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8:10 AM
No, but it can be a consequence.
 
We have a bug list that I have not used much.
 
sigh
 
Yesterday a college wanted to go through it and check if I had fixed any of the bugs.
 
user1804599
Long lines are often also a sign of needlessly trying to avoid local variables in favour of cryptic code.
 
While reading it I could fix 1/3 of the bugs faster than reading the description.
 
8:11 AM
@JohanLarsson Turned out you did, obviously. Because you're a pro!
 
user1804599
function call in function call in function call in function call
 
one of the lines he pointed to was a comment
the other a string
 
It was very sad.
 
the other some bit fiddling
 
@Rapptz This person sounds like someone you'd quietly put a trash can lid over.
 
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8:12 AM
vgq done
 
@Rapptz Why are you turning this in a big deal
 
I'm not
 
@Rapptz Comments are the one place where I don't exceed 80 chars (unless, of course, the comment contains sample code)
 
There are days where I just want to do this. facebook.com/officiieldahkman/videos/1143776935693099/…
 
Dunno how much time they have spent following up on that list.
 
8:12 AM
they're the ones sending me screenshots
 
@elyse ggq (why clobber the visual selection marks)
 
@sehe Why comments?
 
user1804599
@sehe what is ggq?
 
@LucDanton I like it better
 
user1804599
gg moves to the begin of the document
 
8:13 AM
fair enough
 
@elyse erm. Lemme check my muscle memory
 
user1804599
vjjjjjgq :3
 
@elyse gqq I meants
@elyse gq}
 
user1804599
Sublime Text's gq is really annoying
 
user1804599
It doesn't understand //.
 
8:13 AM
:D
 
user1804599
And it looks at blank lines.
 
use p
 
Sometimes I do
 
user1804599
So this turns into a single line:
 
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/**
 * x
 */
void f() { }
 
8:14 AM
I don't know where to insert line breaks for comments
most of the time it feels unnatural heh
 
user1804599
Also doesn't split at whitespace but at word boundaries. It's incredibly useless.
 
@Rapptz in between words :)
@elyse use par :)
 
user1804599
What is par?
 
user1804599
Reminds me of my ~joy~ with VS yesterday. You know that "You want to run the last successful build?" popup? You can turn it off. For Build & Run. Not for Test. WHAT
 
It's a google search keyword
 
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no useful results
 
@elyse Why would you turn it off? It never happens, right? And if it does, you want to see it
 
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@sehe I don't ever want to run the last successful build. Not for tests either.
 
user1804599
I want to see the list of errors.
 
user1804599
Not run the last build. Not the build log. The syntax and type errors.
 
8:17 AM
@elyse precisely
 
user1804599
More fun: can't hit escape in the popup (WHAT). Have to hit N instead, which is not in reach of R and A which are used to initiate the tests.
 
first world problems
@elyse bfy.tw/1ucK (lol at the hash)
 
user1804599
I have to move my fucking hand to cancel running the last successful build of the test.
 
then prevent it! It's good that the IDE conditions you to avoid running a build before you made it compile
 
user1804599
@sehe does it properly handle the example I gave above where there I have no blank line between */ and void? If so, awesome, I should find an ST2 plugin that uses it.
 
user1804599
8:19 AM
@sehe why? compile & run is a single button, as is compile & test
 
Morning
 
@elyse Of course not. You're using clang-format anyways
 
user1804599
No, I'm not.
 
user1804599
clang-format is shit
 
user1804599
The only not-shit autoformatting tool I've used is gofmt.
 
8:20 AM
@elyse well. That's like saying "There's a single switch in the meterkast, so why can't I use that"
@elyse ...
 
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@sehe The switch isn't there. You can't turn off the dialog.
 
user1804599
That's the whole problem.
 
@elyse whoosh
 
@sehe How come you started to count dots?
 
Parkinson
 
user1804599
8:21 AM
You can turn it off for Build & Run. Not for Build & Test.
 
user1804599
great code reuse in VS' codebase
 
user1804599
I really don't understand how people consider that piece of shit a good editor.
 
> I have searched the site for answers, but they are either unfinished or too vague to understand.
Lol. BAM, closed-as-dupe within a minute
@elyse Editors don't have these issues because they don't run tests before compiling. They don't even compile anything
 
user1804599
I don't understand what you mean.
 
user1804599
I don't want to run tests before compiling.
 
user1804599
8:24 AM
I want it to abort the whole "compile and test" procedure when its first part (compile) fails.
 
Never mind. You're comparing VS to "a good editor". Citing flaws in the workflow for build/run/test. That's not even an editor feature
 
user1804599
VS is an editor and as such can be compared to other editors.
 
user1804599
In my vocab, IDE is just a fancy word for "editor"
 
Good for you. See you later too :)
 
user1804599
Just like framework and engine are a fancy word for library
 
8:26 AM
@sehe how, why, when?
 
Which Haskell features do you think would be most beneficial when adopted by mainstream languages? Immutability, laziness, type-classes, ...?
 
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Nice presentation.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked immutability and type classes.
 
user1804599
Type classes can be trivially done in C++ with decltype, declval and overloading.
 
8:27 AM
Immutability can be useful for thread-safety.
 
user1804599
But in other popular languages (Java, C#, I'm looking at you) it proves difficult.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked The primary nice thing about immutability is that you don't have to worry about time.
 
user1804599
And you don't need to worry about aliasing.
 
user1804599
Taking away worries is good, and immutability does that.
 
@JohanLarsson humor
 
8:29 AM
@StackedCrooked Much more than that ime.
 
user1804599
haha that's funny the first definition of "humor" mentions America.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked purity
 
@elyse what's wrong? Is it a picture of that actor by mistake?
 
user1804599
@sehe it's not Nelson Mandela.
 
Lel
 
8:30 AM
@elyse Is that Bill Cosby?
 
Nah. That famous actor.
 
@StackedCrooked Morgan Freeman
 
sehe became a room owner <3
 
I just looked it up. ^
 
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@TonyTheLion Mandela is morgen een vrij man.
 
8:31 AM
@elyse hahaha
 
@ElimGarak sshhh. I don't intend to change my policy. But at least I can clean up in cases where no owner is there
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked No, it's Neil Armstrong.
 
i-dont-believe-it.jpeg
 
user1804599
Neil "Joe" "Lance" Armstrong
 
user1804599
My bank sponsors a murderer. I'm switching banks.
 
Ell
8:35 AM
@elyse what about emacs?
 
user1804599
Emacs and gofmt are very different things.
 
user1804599
But I have no doubt the latter is a subset of the former.
 
Human After All - great album to dev with
 
I need a new editor color scheme
 
@elyse hrm?
 
8:43 AM
Uh
 
> geenstijl
bracing myself
 
so I have a python file name <stuff>-<blah>, with that dash inbetween
It's not... quite working with regular import syntax.
Do I have to load it manually now?
 
your first mistake is doing that
 
> Lekker hoor, zo'n veroordeelde moordenaar in je deelnemersveld.
dumb think
 
8:44 AM
sane people use underscores
 
user1804599
speaking of switching banks
 
user1804599
I think it's unlikely other banks offer more interest right
 
Oh.
Welp.
 
> Deze mensen zijn aan de dood ontsnapt...
 
use __import__(...) if you wanna keep the filename.
 
8:45 AM
Not even funny
 
Better switch to using undercore then.
 
user1804599
because 0.08% is really shitty and pointless
 
Can my module names have . ?
like abc.de ?
Or is that illegal too?
 
user1804599
@ThePhD you can name them whatever you want
 
8:46 AM
you can name it whatever but the import syntax won't like it
 
user1804599
@ThePhD rename it to use an underscore, dummy
 
RIP the dream.
 
user1804599
Languages which don't allow any arbitrary text as identifiers are stupid.
 
You know what the most stupid part is?
Rabo doesn't sponsor him.
Rabo sponsors the run.
Try to be less upriley
 
user1804599
Then they should've paid more attention as to whether the run was going to be ran by murderers.
 
8:50 AM
You... should stop trolling so pathetically
 
user1804599
did you sign geenpeil already btw
 
Shots fired
 
May 21 at 13:15, by Tony The Lion
lol rightfold's opinions
 
user1804599
My opinions are the best opinions in my opinion.
 
They're absent
They're fancies
Well. At least the real opinions are drowned out by noisiness and sensationalism
 
user1804599
8:54 AM
> The use of sensational subject matter, style or methods, or the sensational subject matter itself; behavior, published materials, or broadcasts that are intentionally controversial, exaggerated, lurid, loud, or attention-grabbing. Especially applied to news media in a pejorative sense that they are reporting in a manner to gain audience or notoriety but at the expense of accuracy and professionalism.
 
user1804599
Well that's the only kind of media that's actually exciting.
 
its also useless
 
How to yell without caps, the color theme
 
them colors
jeesuz
 
user1804599
8:56 AM
@Prismatic NICE
 
user1804599
which one is that
 
user1804599
I love it.
 
user1804599
I want it.
 
user1804599
omg Vim
 
8:57 AM
@Prismatic I would have gone blind by now
 
sublime text users are crazy with the customization stuff
 
The perfect colorscheme as a punishment. Whoever introduces an evil bug must use it for a week.
 
@Prismatic I find Atom better than Sublime
 
Ive never used Sublime
Atom was slow crap when I tried it though
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
8:58 AM
This is also nice.
 
user1804599
I like the font.
 
@Prismatic yeah atom is slow as crap. It's coded in javascript :V but it's getting better atom.io
 
Im pretty happy with qtcreator for my IDE and geany for editing text
 
I use webstorm/phpstorm
 
@elyse that's ok. Just realize that many people think the things actually make sense, and you should in fact send bricks to green peace, or switch away from Rabo. The tendentious circle jerking is exactly what radical muslims are doing on their channels, or people who cry "racism" whenever oxygen is detected in the air.
 

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