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23:00
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Damn google security note... it played me
@CaptainGiraffe very convenient word
I should port it to other languages
@unordered_meow You really shouldn't. Isolation is not a goal.
In Lord of the Rings is introduced "good day", which works at any time of the day.
I'm pretty sure "Good day" is international and invented a few years before LotR
@sehe ... long before I was born
hence LotR introduces it, because I didn't know about it before
23:06
You're making so much sense.
Stop making me feel incompetent
lol
do I really?
I'm so tired I can't even spell lotr correctly
help me lounge it is too hot
eat an ice cube
go to your cellar and sleep
23:19
@sehe in case you didn't see it yet: github.com/kbok/stags
@Mr.kbok wat
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Q: Is there an equivalent for __if_exists in gnu c++?

Ole Dittmann__if_exists is a microsoft specific keyword for testing existence of identifiers at compile time: msdn:__if_exists It can come in very handy at "faked" template specialization as in some cases it provides a really much more simple, readable and better performing way than other methods like "rea...

what the hell contraption is that
@sehe gory detail.
Look at the example instead
I don't like looking at dead code. I can't tinker?
It's not dead
It is when it can't be made to compile.
23:24
The system relies on macros to generate free functions that can be found via ADL.
@sehe You're working with gcc?
I understand. I'm just stating my sentiment. I'll see what I can glean
@Mr.kbok Or clang. Or (at work) MSVC.
@sehe Oh, right.
Mind you, @ work is all three
Don't bother then. I'll make it work on gcc and clang, and let you know when it's done.
msvc is my priority because it's what we use at work, and I need to use it quickly
How extendable/customizable?
ADL suggests open design
23:27
The idea seems powerful, but I don't know yet
Can you show me the output of the sample... :(
I'm thinking of an annotation kit, then on top of that serialization + orm
Whoa. Don't forget world domination
<recipe_book>
        <author>Vanellope von Schweetz</author>
        <edition>8</edition>
        <recipes>
                <recipe difficulty="4">
                        <name>Carrot Cake</name>
                </recipe>
                <recipe difficulty="2">
                        <name>Big Ass Cookie</name>
                </recipe>
        </recipes>
</recipe_book>
Looks legit :)
23:30
XML kinda works already, adding JSON for my quantitative friends
> quantitative
?
@sehe Quantitative developers. People from my team.
@Mr.kbok What did you guys write?
ORM is important because it will help me flesh out what's specific about stags and what is specific about serialization (ie not ORM)
@Mikhail I'm working on an annotation system for C++. baby steps :)
@Mr.kbok link?
23:32
ORM is also important because I think it's useful
Keep in mind that spirit, proto, phoenix and fusion all have their own sets up deeply nested template parameter trees and that's not counting the founding layers like mpl. So, you could chip away at one of them, but the other 6 heads of the monster will still be there. Why do you depend on the raw type names for anything? What is the XY problem here? — sehe 1 min ago
@Mikhail github.com/kbok/stags if you really want to :) I wrote the first lines yesterday
@Mr.kbok I've never met a quantitative developer
@Tony @Scott @ThePhD Sorry I had to leave you guys, I have to go to soccer tryouts :(
@sehe It's a very specific profession. You'll find a few dozen for each bank.
23:34
@Mr.kbok Silly question, how is this different then http://uscilab.github.io/cereal/index.html...
@Mikhail It's very different. The annotation system means that you don't have to write the serialize function.
user406009
Doesn't XML have multiple valid serializations for one data format though?
user406009
How do you choose?
@Mr.kbok I see no difference
The backend chooses. stags::xml only manages the semantic mapping between the annotations and the backend's facilities.
@sehe well cereal isn't an xml library for starters :)
23:38
I mean. I see no difference (between specifying the names and members in the function or with special macro facilities)
Still typing stuff. Except, the macros are intrusive (at current). And the "serialize" ("reflect" or "visit"?) helpers are centralized
Yes, it looks similar.
this was a pretty badass moment
From experience, though, I can tell you that annotations are much more quick and reliable at usage
Experience in using XmlSerializer.
@AlexM. A balrog!!
23:41
@AlexM. Hi, female Rapptz
I had no idea you could keep the same combat and stuff TeS has and make it a MMO
but it works, it's not timed or turn based or anything like WoW and stuff
@Borgleader hi
@sehe Serialize functions works well for stuff like cereal or boost because the only requirement is "I want this on the wire"
@sehe When you have to shoehorn an existing schema into your code (think: xsd) then you have to either rely on code generation or painful manual parsing with xpath
@sehe Annotation systems provide the whole range of semantic mappings from/to the underlying format and the object model
Plus you get refactoring, detection, etc. for free
@Borgleader I miss your darker avatar.
23:47
@Mysticial NOA'ed
17064 upvotes and counting
@Nooble I miss the rains down in Africa.
I'm going to sleep now
@Mr.kbok Basically, yes
@Mr.kbok nn
23:48
Please stop telling me that my code is like cereal :)
@Mr.kbok What's the alternative? I think it's always going to be simplest with Parse -> directly mapped POD -> transform to domain type then
@Mr.kbok It's not
@Mr.kbok Unless it makes me poop, I dont see how it would be like cereal =/
Hello everyone
hi cicada
@unordered_meow No idea what you are talking about!
23:53
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Good morning.
@Borgleader Toto, bouge pas!
I don't want to go to work today
Oh it's actually a holiday lol
@unordered_meow Fast.
What a coincidence
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Are you on drugs?
23:54
No I just woke up
Ok. Good mornings. Have a coffee
@Nooble People don't realize that it takes a whole month to change nicks again and they just ruin everything like that
fuck poeple
stop leaving evidence
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You didn't try hard this time.
@Borgleader She hasn't always
23:55
@sehe Well why would I when someone gives it away
Pointless
I'll just delete this account and make another
do it
coz I like 2 C low repped ppl more
... spuit elf
Skip the delete, and make a new one
Such a waste of rep
who knows when someone needs to get Sinoed again ;)
prolly get locked, SE has become vigilant in catching sock puppets
@Borgleader Any bets he'll be back after his ban in a rage?
Sino is the first time I've kicked someone enough times to auto-notify a moderator.

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