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4:00 PM
I guess the logic is probably that if a video was deleted then it was likely for copyright infringement, and the only other replacement videos one could potentially find would also be violators. so this would help stop the spread of replacement infringing videos.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Everytime I see "srs" I read it as "Supplementary Restraint System".
 
BUT - how the hell do you know I'm going to do that? Perhaps I thought the original video was fair use, and now that it's been taken down, I just want to add the song to Spotify? Which is legal?
besides, the title isn't copywritten.
 
@LucDanton I suspect if it came to that, software that lacked another license, but required installation to a hard drive would be seen as carrying some sort of implicit permission to do that copying though.
 
If you don’t fill in the template args you get e.g. 'error: statement cannot resolve address of overloaded function', so GCC can figure out it’s the member template some of the time.
 
@LucDanton lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit AHhahahhaa. It actually kinda is, in a way, sorta.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (Perhaps you meant "copyrighted"?)
 
4:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes why the hell are you using the Express Edition?
 
@melak47 It's a build machine. I don't need any fancy IDE stuff.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, not generally, though you can apply for trademark protection
 
Copywriting is writing copy for the purpose of advertising or marketing. The copy is meant to persuade someone to buy a product, or influence their beliefs. Copywriters (known as continuity writers in broadcasting) are used to help create direct mail pieces, taglines, jingle lyrics, web page content (although if the purpose is not ultimately promotional, its author might prefer to be called a content writer), online ads, e-mail and other Internet content, television or radio commercial scripts, press releases, white papers, catalogs, billboards, brochures, postcards, sales letters, and othe...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
but I prefer "copywritten"
 
4:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But isn't the compiler from the Express edition gimped?
 
user3010322
Nope.
 
@melak47 No?
 
you know what I meant. don't be such a prescriptivist. it's a living language that evolves!
;p
 
user3010322
Compiler is same as the regular ones.
 
(All editions are gimped)
 
4:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@melak47 And not grabbing a license for this is also better.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was thinking Community vs Express edition, but in this case that doesn't really matter
 
> This manifold vacuum can be substantial, and can be used as a source of automobile ancillary power to drive auxiliary systems: power assisted brakes, emission control devices, cruise control, ignition advance, windshield wipers, power windows, ventilation system valves, etc.
woah
 
@JerryCoffin If and only if the judge doesn't like you.
 
is the car ventilation driven by the manifold vacuum?
welp I think you can turn it on with engine powered off
@Mr.kbok lol
 
4:09 PM
@melak47 Community is not out yet.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what?
 
@JerryCoffin So book giveaways aren't acceptable anymore? wtf
 
you mean community 2014?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not?
 
@BartekBanachewicz They have their own fans.
 
4:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you mean 2015? :p
 
@melak47 don't care that much
 
@melak47 Oh, I missed that. I thought it was only for the next release.
 
I still can’t believe no one has ever named a member function template the same as a class template and run into that GCC bug before.
 
user3010322
GASP
 
user3010322
THEY FIXED MY BUG! :OOO
 
4:12 PM
who, what bug
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only the valve controlling it is, not the ventilation system itself. Even that is pretty much obsolete, and so are many of the other things they cite. For example, the most recent car I've seen that had vacuum driven windshield wipers was from the 1955 model year. There might (easily) have been some a few years after that, but I'd be really surprised to see such a thing on anything built within the last 50 years.
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
Fixed in time for VS 2015 RTM!
 
24 mins ago, by Luc Danton
sanity check please, looks like Clang accepts the program.
 
4:13 PM
@JerryCoffin I see
 
Xeo
argh
I got an organizational crisis going on right now
I have no idea how to properly break down these AI steps ;_;
 
@Xeo isn't it supposed to be the hard part of the job
 
@JerryCoffin The brake servos are probably the most ubiquitous thingy driven by the manifold vacuum.
 
in rock climbing they always tell you that when you encounter the hard part, you have to understand: that's the hard part. Yes, I have to get over that and that will be painful and require strength. No point in hesitating, just get over it.
In rock climbing it's particularly important because every second you spend waiting, you're getting more and more tired from clamping to the wall.
 
It's perfect because it's cheap, simple, and pretty much infallible.
 
4:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...and in the US, automatic transmissions.
 
hey I want a car with a DSG too
can't see how that's supposed to be driven by vacuum though
 
user1804599
Try executing formatted code. Maybe that will work. — райтфолд 5 secs ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz A "DSG"?
 
@JerryCoffin It's a kind of automatic transmission.
Dual-clutch.
 
@JerryCoffin Direct-Shift Gearbox, an automated dual-clutch transmission
ooooor the most sexy invention in gearboxes so far
 
4:18 PM
@ThePhD they also fixed "my" substitution-in-empty-parameter-packs bug, so now clang is the only compiler that won't accept robot's hack :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah--hadn't seen it abbreviated that way before. Anyway, I believe most of them are electronic, not vacuum driven.
 
Clang 3.6 still won’t play nice with SFINAE in empty packs.
 
user3010322
@melak47 It's... compiling fine to me. o-o;
 
user3010322
OH WAIT
 
@ThePhD exactly, it shouldn't. nullptr_t is not an airthmetic type
 
user3010322
4:20 PM
IT SHOULDn'T BE COMPLILING
 
user3010322
Derpderpderpderp.
 
user3010322
@melak47 Yeah I'm an eejit.
 
@LucDanton I believe they WONTFIX'ed the bug :(
 
But it's spring solstice.
 
4:22 PM
shut it
winter is coming
 
@JerryCoffin well, I meant in general how do you drive a gearbox with a vacuum? :o
 
@melak47 That’s weird.
Interestingly GCC does not SFINAE if you try a similar trick with a function parameter pack.
E.g. EnableIf<is_foo<depend_on_t<T, Pack>>>*...
If Pack is deduced, then you get an empty pack (and no corresponding parameters) and that’s that.
It would have been funny if Clang error’d on that but it doesn’t.
 
@LucDanton is this with a variadic EnableIf?
 
and what's the pointer for...I'm confused
 
4:27 PM
Can’t have parameter of type void, so that turns it into void*. Old C++03 trick.
 
Xeo
@melak47 It's a function parameter, not a template parameter
 
Ill for 6 days.
 
@Xeo oh. but..why
 
Just kill me already ._.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz boom
 
4:28 PM
@Rapptz pew pew. feel better? :/
 
@Rapptz What's up?
 
user784668
/tmp/mingw/i686-xcompiler/build-gcc/i686-w64-mingw32/libgcc/../../../../src/gcc‌​-trunk/libgcc/libgcc2.c:2240: undefined reference to `__EH_FRAME_BEGIN__'
 
user784668
ahahahah wtf
 
Weirder: it seems GCC won’t let me call the function template when the pack is non-deduced.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nasal congestion, sore throat, migraine, etc.
 
4:29 PM
@Fanael I hope that stands for Exception Handler or something :p
 
Xeo
Nope, you can only compile GCC in Canada - that's where you find the "eh?" frames.
 
GNU Canadian Compiler
 
user784668
@melak47 I think it stands for "building GCC is worse than burning in fucking hell".
 
I can't believe you guys can't go one day without gender wars.
 
Oh wait, what happens is GCC errors but ends with the typical note: template argument deduction/substitution failed:
 
4:31 PM
Always the same people too.
 
Does that mean I actually have a testcase that shows the bug in action? D: lookie
 
user784668
Well it's obvious men are inferior, so why argue about it?
 
user1228
Goddamnit, I was tricked into coming in here. Eew, C++ devs. Gross. Now I have to go bathe! And I wasn't planning to until next week.
 
@Will Who tricked you?
 
-1
Q: How do I create a software for a C++ program

Aseem AhirI had designed a few C++ programs, and I wanted to give them a better GUI, in other words, I wanted to create a software or an application that will run those programs. How do I do it? I tried Microsoft Visual Studio, but it's giving me a lot of troubles. Is there any other software like VisualS...

 
4:33 PM
other developers
oh sorry it's
 
I just wanna go home
 
user784668
@Rapptz Then go home.
 
@Rapptz where are you now?
 
Work
 
INVALID ARGUMENT IS INVALID....
 
4:35 PM
@DonLarynx Screenshot of a webpage with only text in it?
 
I didnt want to copy the text
 
"invalid"?
 
user784668
Oh, screw you, GCC.
 
invalid starting at: I'll just build my own rubber band instead
 
How is that invalid?
 
4:36 PM
@Rapptz where do you work actually?
 
Because the rubber band that he'll need will resemble similarity to the open-source rubber band
@Rapptz
 
Will it?
Different material.
 
Necessarily
 
user784668
WTF.
 
Then it won't work as well,.
 
4:36 PM
Do you think a hair band and a rubber band are the same?
 
Maybe he needs a rubber band and not a hair band.
 
@DonLarynx lol "aluminum"
 
@Fanael I’m like shrug and move on.
 
@DonLarynx Gosh, you bothered to censor some tabs in the screenshot but not to copy the text.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's how it's spelled!
 
4:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They ate the "i"?
 
@milleniumbug fat bastards
 
@BartekBanachewicz A hospital.
 
@Fanael spelt*
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Breaking the laws of physics, blog character array by blog character array
 
Cue irony of me being sick in a hospital.
 
user784668
4:38 PM
Ahahahahaha seriously
 
user784668
../../../../src/gcc-trunk/libgomp/target.c: In function 'gomp_map_vars':
../../../../src/gcc-trunk/libgomp/target.c:441:21: error: unknown conversion type character 'z' in format [-Werror=format=]
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If I copy the text it will take up half the page and I'll get scolded by the Lounge<C++>
 
@Rapptz It's not really all that ironic. It makes sense.
;p
 
user784668
GCC, what part of --disable-werror you don't get?
 
4:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stop talking about airbags.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did that deliberately for you.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because I can.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what being omnipotent means.
#walkedintoit
 
@DonLarynx I'm getting this:
> The Groan Factor
 
@sehe me too!!!!
 
Q.E.D. apparently
 
> g++-trunk -std=c++1y --disable-werror main.cpp
cc1plus: error: unknown pass werror specified in -fdisable
@Fanael The --disable-werror part apparently.
 
4:40 PM
@sehe He (or she?) just stops right there and then I'm like wait wut
 
btw how helpful is that error?
 
Just don't specify -Werror?
 
@DonLarynx Now you're taking up... All the space and causing annoyance besides. WIN
 
user784668
@LucDanton It's a configure switch.
 
Oh.
 
4:41 PM
@Fanael Well GCC won’t understand it any better!!
 
@DonLarynx Because links are worse or something?
 
user784668
@LucDanton Stop being such a @LightnessRacesinOrbit.
 
@Fanael Take that back!
 
@milleniumbug haha, who clicks links anymore, lol
 
4:43 PM
@DonLarynx I don't, not without carefully reading the domain name
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I admit I don't get it.
 
@Rapptz "Sun" is a newspaper
 
Yeah I got that.
I don't get the other words relation.
Daily Mail?
 
other newspapers?
 
user784668
Oh.
 
4:44 PM
just seemed odd without the Daily prefix for some reason.
 
user784668
# Add -Wall -Werror if we are using GCC.
if test "x$GCC" = "xyes"; then
  XCFLAGS="$XCFLAGS -Wall -Werror"
fi
 
@BartekBanachewicz In the case of an automatic transmission, it basically downshifts if the vacuum is too high, and up-shifts if it's too low. So, you basically have a piston with vacuum on one side. If the vacuum gets high enough, it pulls the piston far enough to shift the transmission. If it gets low enough, the piston moves far enough the other direction to shift it the other way.
 
user784668
Who the fuck thought it's a good idea if the user requested --disable-werror?
 
@Fanael lol low-level dirty and inferior build systems
 
> marketplaceimages
 
user784668
4:46 PM
@milleniumbug It's not just a low-level dirty and inferior build system, it's GNU autohell!
 
@Fanael GNU Autofools
 
user784668
ok added a workaround
 
user784668
The negated form of -Werror is -Wno-error, right?
 
@Fanael I’m actually not sure. -Wno-error=foo is documented for selectively disabling stuff, but that’s different.
In any case the driver doesn’t complain.
it works on my end
 
@Rapptz You might be interested in this:
120 logical core Ivy Bridge

50 million digits Lemniscate:
- C++11 std::async() -> 1286.831 seconds (95.03% cpu utilization)
- Windows Thread Pool -> 25.396 seconds (25.78% cpu utilization)
- Intel Cilk Plus -> 23.823 seconds (72.1336% cpu utilization)
 
user1804599
4:54 PM
Hola.
 
Conclusion: std::async() sucks balls. And we already knew that.
 
Did you specify the launch policy
 
Doesn't std::async create new thread at every call?
Yes, that sucks
 
@Rapptz Yes, std::launch::async.
Since it's the only thing that makes it work on Linux.
 
user784668
Can I go and cut the GCC devs with something dull?
 
4:56 PM
Windows Thread Pool cannot use more than 50% of the machine since the machine has multiple "processor groups". So I asked the guy to try Cilk Plus since I figure Intel might know what they're doing.
 
@Fanael That seems uncalled for.
 
@JerryCoffin interesting
 
I guess both Cilk Plus and std::async() will use multiple processor groups. But clearly Cilk Plus is more efficient at it.
And the NUMA on this thing kills everything.
 
user784668
OH FINALLY
 
user784668
The crosscompiler builds successfully.
 
4:58 PM
@Rapptz They're all newspapers, when you prepend "Daily" (which one often omits in colloquial speech). It's a play on the fact that precisely one of them has a name containing the word lexically identical to the object of mass fascination earlier on today
 
Oddly enough for my purposes std::async was the fastest.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, forgot to mention: you'll normally have a spring pushing (or pulling) one direction, and the vacuum pulling the other.
 
I admit to not trying a saner thread pool though.
Maybe std::async is just bad on Windows? But that'd be weird considering they have some machinery in place to make it efficient iirc
 
I don't really know exactly what it does on Windows. Whatever the case, the NUMA is so large that it magnifies any difference between the frameworks many times over.
 
@Rapptz I think it's essentially universally agreed that std::async is a problematic design, and there's no way to implement it that's really good.
 
5:01 PM
I could try asking him to try something much larger where there's less overhead.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Try std::async on Windows.
 
Xeo
They got the ConcRT backing it
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin There is: throw not_supported();
 
@Xeo Read the first bullet. :)
 
Xeo
5:02 PM
6 mins ago, by Mysticial
Since it's the only thing that makes it work on Linux.
I thought you tested on Linux :P
 
Using Windows Thread Pool?
 
@Xeo I'm using the same code on Windows and Linux.
 
@BartekBanachewicz mehehe
 
Xeo
@Mysticial mh.
 
If he decreases the data decomposition to 60 instead of 120, std::async drops to 268 seconds with 88% CPU utilization.
So clearly the NUMA is really fucking up std::async().
 
user784668
5:05 PM
Oh okay.
 
10
Q: Are vaccinations associated with heroin use?

OddthinkingA Facebook group Feminists Against Vaccination have posted (in good faith? Poe's Law applies here) what I believe to be a completely fake advert: ] Source Their first injection was a vaccination. Protect your children from vaccinations. Vaccinations leave a lasting psychological belief ...

 
user784668
So I can build 64-bit Windows GCC.
 
user784668
I'd like the 32-bit one too, but it's something.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I can actually see a nice development there for the son.
 
> Feminists Against Vaccination
 
5:09 PM
@райтфолд lol darcshub.com
 
hilarious
 
@milleniumbug What the fuckety fuck.
 
user784668
@milleniumbug It makes perfect sense.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit This. This. So much wrong.
 
It's satire. Put down your forks.
 
user784668
5:12 PM
@Jefffrey execve
 
@Fanael What
 
@Jefffrey Jefffrey...have you joined the dark side?
 
user784668
Fork-exec is a commonly used technique in Unix whereby an executing process spawns a new program. == Description == Dennis M. Ritchie created fork-exec. fork() is the name of the system call that the parent process uses to "divide" itself ("fork" into two identical processes). After calling fork(), the created child process is an exact copy of the parent except for the return value. This means all the state that was talked about previously is copied, including open files, register state and all memory allocations, which includes the program code will be copied to the child process. In some cases...
 
Ok ok. The link I read didn't mention the spawning of a new program. I'm sorry.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey hehehe
 
user1804599
5:14 PM
 
user1804599
bzrhub.com is empty, probably because nobody ever used Bazaar.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sigh
 
I'd pretend to be anti-vaccination and start a Lounge argument out of boredom, but I don't think that even I can sink quite that low.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pure satire.
Poe's Law etc
 
user1804599
5:19 PM
Not having your child vaccinated when it's possible to do so is child abuse and must be punished by law.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We could only wish.
 
@Rapptz Poe's Law defines all my contributions to this room.
I don't think "child abuse" means what you think it means.
It would be "child neglect" if anything.
 
@Pris Yes. It was awesome.
 
Xeo
We had a heavy fog all day :<
 
I can't find a good picture of it through a telescope
 
yay
 
Good morning everyone
Can you say double midterm day?
 
ENUMS_PRODUCE_UNIQUE_ENUM(MyUniqueEnum,
	Unknown = 0,
	OverAll = 6,
	OverGroup,
	OverByInstrument = 7
)
> enums_test.cpp(110): error C2027: use of undefined type 'enums::detail::assert_enum_has_unique_values<x>'
yay
 
@Pris Yes. Nothing happened.
 
user1804599
5:26 PM
Hello, mrs. kbok.
 
Hey pantoona
Are you doing the game jam
 
Yeah what is T-sec for drawing of the themes?
(If only there was a superchat lounge that went 5x faster)
 
user1804599
No.
 
I wonder why the starboard is not in a scrolling pane of its own?
 
5:42 PM
It sort of is
It's just that you can't scroll down manually
 
@MartinJames To encourage people to buy monitors with higher vertical resolution? They're undoubtedly getting a kick-back from the monitor manufacturers.
 
@JerryCoffin Of course! Silly me:)
 
wtf is a "broiler"?
oh, grilling
cos the numpties moved the word grill to mean barbeque
lol
 
@MartinJames Next month I'll be giving a seminar: "Conspiracies Everywhere: Finding Evil in everyday occurrences."
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, grilling from the top.
 
5:47 PM
@JerryCoffin I don't need a seminar - I was offered a Java update this very week.
 
Not the bottom.
 
@Rapptz yeah, that's just called grilling :)
 
From the bottom yes.
 
@MartinJames There's a difference. That really is pure evil!
 
5:48 PM
I have some bugs to pumpkin today.
 
grilling is what you mistakenly call 'broiling'
 
No.
 
stupid DHL. thing I ordered is sitting in a storage facility ~10km from here, and now it's gonna take then 4 days to ship it the rest of the way...
 
user784668
Yes.
 
5:49 PM
@JerryCoffin S'OK. I exorcised the popup.
 
not sure I can be arsed with the grill
frying the steak is so much easier
@khajvah liquid cooled switch?
 
Router* but yeah. People are crazy
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit LiFi
 
@khajvah is that one of them fancy wireless barbecues?
 
802.11p
(get it?)
 
no
 
Opinions on pretty printing?
 
@melak47 "pee"
 
user1804599
5:57 PM
Not pretty enough.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but it's blue.
are you a robot, too?
 
@LucDanton Hrm. Having the first "member" of each object not start a new line is jarring to me, but I can see the clear benefit of the way you're doing it and would not move to change it
@melak47 pee is blue when it's inside
it's due to sulphites
 

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