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12:00 PM
A polar bear mauled a Czech tourist on Thursday, breaking into his tent as he slept. Jakub Moravev, flown by helicopter to hospital, hopes to be well enough to see the eclipse after escaping with slight injuries to his face, chest and an arm.
 
I love eclipses. It's like hunting seasons, but without the seals
@chmod711telkitty Rock climbing is such an apt sport for you!
 
@AlexM. FTR, I played CS quite a lot for about 5 years. Indeed, on the absolutely top level the team oriented and strategic aspects come into play, but they were nearly nonexistent in the games we played, as in, despite numerous tries they didn't give the teams any significant advantage compared to the aforementioned points.
While we're at pet hate, Last-Team-Standing with one respawn per player is just cruel
 
yes, well, IME short LoL experience, the game was a team deathmatch diablo where I spammed skills
however, I don't go full Bartek to tell you that
since I know it makes no sense
 
you said yourself that it was a short experience
 
yes, and you admitted that your long CS experience was nothing like what I'm talking about
 
12:03 PM
Teamwork in LoL starts around Silver, teambuilding around Gold
@AlexM. How many years do I have to play to get that experience then?
 
you don't have to play years, you have to play in a team
properly
like the competitive mode of CS GO
and trying to get up through ranks
 
@BartekBanachewicz With masters and PHD, about 7 years
 
you play competitive on valve's servers until you hit a high enough rank and then you move on to ESEA for more skilled players and less cheaters
and the possibility to join proper teams and leagues
do that first, then tell me CS is about map glitches and reflexes
actually the last time a pro team used a map glitch to come back from an obvious loss, they got so much hate from fans I'm not even sure how they went through it
people from other teams told the community to forgive them lol
 
@AlexM. lol
you're not helping
@AlexM. also, uh "less cheaters"
 
13 mins ago, by Alex M.
I don't really feel like having this discussion
 
12:08 PM
people still cheat in games?
 
can we stop it already, or do I have to plonk you for it?
 
@AlexM. and so you have been following it for the last 13 minutes
 
plonk it is
 
@AlexM. for what, saying I dislike your favorite game?
Dunno if you feel so strongly about time wasted on that particular game or do you just love it so much, but plonking me for saying things like that is hardly mature or reasonable.
w/e
 
@AlexM. you can also plonk or control yourself :S
 
12:12 PM
I'd rather get rid of who's provoking me
it's not a huge loss in this case either
I'll just see less haskell, and less about how I'm doing things wrong and how I'm not doing them the one and only right way (tm)
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this was really the last drop
 
^ butthurt is always the fault of the butt
 
@sehe such wise
 
Some loungers are so much worse
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not sure that's helping though
 
Welp, Alex wanted to plonk me so desperately apparently that he was just waiting for an occasion
 
Bratek, can you stop LRIO-ing
 
12:15 PM
nobody likes to be told that things he does are bad or wrong or that the games one playes are glitchfests
okay okay I'll stop now
 
let's talk about dual overhead camshafts or something
 
@chmod711telkitty how did you not know
@AlexM. lol
 
I live some where else ... kinda :'(
 
@chmod711telkitty You don't live on planet Earth?
@AlexM. tell him to goat to hell
 
12:19 PM
If I didn't see it on the local news, it didn't happen ... sorta
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it the marmalade theme?
 
@chmod711telkitty under a rock, duh
18 mins ago, by sehe
@chmod711telkitty Rock climbing is such an apt sport for you!
 
@chmod711telkitty Why was it not on the local news?
 
@chmod711telkitty 2016 is your chance to have the scoop. Then we'll all be fast asleep during your eclipse
 
if I indeed live under a rock, then there is little point of climbing out of it ... coz ... ~effort~
 
12:22 PM
Does it freak anyone else out how ridiculously co-incidental it is that total eclipses can happen the way they do?
I mean, discounting all the hypothetical alternate realities in which the moon appears much bigger than the sun, because I'm talking about the "perfect fit"
 
@chmod711telkitty That makes it so apt.
 
I mean, sure, if it didn't happen then we wouldn't be talking about it
But
 
And that's a big but
@chmod711telkitty FTR climbing under a rock is also rock climbing :)
 
No problem! I should have given you credit to begin with, and again, sorry for not doing that. I'm fairly new to posting answers on SO (been lurking for years), and learning as I go, so this was definitely a learning experience for me! — Daniel Nugent 2 days ago
#vomit
 
@sehe: It seems to me that the first two responses from the same guy precisely point out what I have said. Some of the rest just desperately want the analogy to work, despite it being a bad analogy, and use it to justify their opinions. I say, the analogy is bad and thus the reasoning they derive from it is BS.
 
12:28 PM
fight fight fight
 
@wilx I don't recall you saying anything substantial (other than just "bad analogy")
 
First, comparing women to canaries is like 1000 times more dehumanizing than what I could come up with, yet, it is used to defend women.
Second, what kind of "death" do women in IT suffer? It makes no sense.
 
It's not a bad analogy. It's just not saying what the other party wants to say. All analogies break down, remember.
The point is, even the "real things" break down. All human understanding is but an analogy of reality.
 
@sehe that's also .... ~effort~
 
Oh
 
12:31 PM
Good analogy, e.g.: Cheetahs are Ussain Bolts of the animal kingdom.
Bad analogy: <what you have linked to>
 
@Mr.kbok lol
 
@sehe See above.
 
You know. If you're that lazy, just don't engage
@wilx That's ridiculously arbitray.
 
@sehe How is that arbitrary? Both are fast sprinters.
 
What makes it better? Ussain Bolt doesn't even use all his limbs, the animal kingdom doesn't do precise compares in semi-controlled environments. What's more, a false start doesn't disqualify. Ussain isn't nearly furry enough. The absense of public to cheer on the prey is making it unfair comparison
 
12:37 PM
> Peter Molyneux may be enduring a rough month of criticism from players and journalists over his Kickstarter-funded Godus game, but fellow crowdfundee Tim Schafer has given the veteran designer his support.
 
canaries don't thrive in areas with bad conditions for them.
There. Matched
 
@sehe lol, that's BS. If you are goind to be ridiculous, I am not going to engage in the conversation. :)
 
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Q: Is a const string Still Preferable?

Jonathan MeeI asked a question on Iterators here: Prefer Iterators Over Pointers? I've come to understand some of the protection and debug capabilities they offer as a result. However, I believe that begin and end now offer similar possibilities on C-style array. If I want to create a const string that wil...

 
@wilx No, I'm only showing you because you claimed that this example is somehow "a good analogy".
 
@sehe OK. That sounds more sensible.
 
12:38 PM
I'm not sure how to answer that question
 
However, I believe that begin and end now offer similar possibilities on C-style array - erm, the "iterators" there do not offer protection or debug capabilities — sehe 16 secs ago
 
But still, I do not feel it is particularly good. There are women in IT and they do not die. Companies do not go and find replacement canary/woman when the single canary/woman "dies", whatever "dies" means.
 
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A: Vampire Compatibility

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Pyth is awesome :D
 
I work in a huge company that has women employees and even women programmers. I honestly have not seen or heard of a single woman-man issue. Is my company atypically awesome for women? I do not think so.
OK, you can counter that that I have not seen/heard something does not mean it does not exist.
 
@wilx If such issues existed, would you have noticed?
 
12:44 PM
But I have yet to actually hear about actual cases of whatever problems you or @jalf see. (Hi there.)
 
user1804599
I wrote an awesome tool today: github.com/rightfold/tools/blob/master/todo.awk
 
@wilx leaving the IT industry?
 
OTOH, I can see/hear about rapes and murders on the news, etc.
 
got my daily food problems
I guess today I'm going to have to actually go out and get some properly
 
@wilx A big part of the problem is that most people don't even think about how flawed the status quo is.
 
12:46 PM
@jalf I want to see statistics of that from like USA Department of Labour. As far as I can see from my surroundings, there are more and more women in IT.
 
@wilx The amount of women in IT has plummeted since the 80's, actually
 
@jalf Still, your claims.
 
@wilx Funny, I hear about them quite a lot. But yes, it depends on you actually listening to people who talk about those issues. And I don't mean that in a snarky way. It's very easy to position yourself so you never even encounter people who struggle with other issues than yourself
@wilx The difference is, I'm basing my claim on having actually seen the data. You're refusing to believe it because you expect everyone else to do the research for you
 
@jalf lol. A: X is happening. B: Prove it. A: No, you do it yourself!
 
12:48 PM
@wilx Who are you talking to (if it's not just jalf)
 
@wilx if you cannot be arsed to look into it yourself, then I don't really see how you get to make any claims about what is or is not happening
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Finally.
 
 
If I could trust news, a high class hooker earns much more than a senior software engineer in google or microsoft does ... it is very sad.
 
@wilx I think your company is special. On the scale of west-europe. I notice the same with our Dnepropetrosvk office. There are many women there (extremely so, by Dutch standards). Women are are in IT functions in the Netherlands. Exceedingly
 
12:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that's so bulshit
 
@wilx A: X is happening. B: It's all a lie, I don't see it A: How does that follow
@chmod711telkitty Turns out you're just not high class
 
Yeah, lots of individual companies are special. There's no doubt of that, the problems are huge in some companies, and more or less nonexistent in others. But overall, industry-wide, there is a problem
 
@sehe also not a hooker
 
@chmod711telkitty never say never
 
I am trying to become something better - a landlady
 
12:51 PM
The way you can tell is by the fact that a lot of women say they experience these problems. The fact that men don't notice it doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.
 
@sehe You are lying. I never said it was a lie. I just wanted a proof. That something completely different. Putin could use your desinformation abilities...
 
@orlp what's bullshit? The original invention of toilet paper?
 
@wilx If you say you don't believe in something, you believe it is a lie.
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@wilx I came across this earlier, and it is oddly relevant
 
12:53 PM
@orlp Police: You have killed the woman. Me: Prove it at the court of justice. Police: You are a liar! -- Can you see that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, the idea that a debate is settled just because the original inventor intended it to be used in one way is bullshit.
 
I don't see many woman software developers, a lot of women working in IT are in testing, helpdesk or other supporting roles
 
@wilx "Prove it at the court of justice" does not imply "I have not killed the woman"
 
@wilx Except that's kind of totally a different situation
 
It's "I'd like to remain silent"
 
12:54 PM
@orlp It does not imply I am a liar either.
 
If you want to participate in a discussion of whether a problem exists, then the burden is on you to educate yourself about the scope of the problem
If you just sit there telling everyone that they are obligated to prove it to you, you are simply wasting their time
it's a diversionary tactic
 
But I also don't see a lot of women in front office/investment banking or the building industry.
There are women, but not that many
 
@jalf lol, no. Somebody had some positive claim. I was and am open to believe it if it was proven. The burden of proof does not lie on me. I do not have the positive claim.
 
"The number of women getting degrees in computing has decreased. That must mean all the universities are sexist!"
that's not a lie but it is fucking stupid
 
12:56 PM
@wilx But jalf did link you a source
 
@wilx That would be true if the discussion was purely theoretical. It's true if discussion was over the existence of God, say.
 
Xeo
> If I stand in the street and start demanding that passersby prove gravity, I'm not a flying wizard when nobody can be bothered.
Aw man, but I wanna be a flying wizard!
 
But not when tackling societal problems. The burden is not on black people to prove that they're getting shot en masse by the police
The burden is on every-fucking-one to look into it and educate themselves
 
@jalf I do not see why standard should be different in this case. Special pleading much?
 
@wilx no
 
12:59 PM
@wilx Let's quit the weaseling and moving the burden of proof - jalf linked a concrete source, let's talk about that.
 
@wilx Read the link I posted
 
@orlp Yes. I am actually looking into it as we speak. The problem I have with the chart is that it is percentage only.
 
@wilx Cute. Moving the goalpost
 
@wilx what's the problem with that?
 
Let's face it: you don't want there to be a problem. These are stalling tactics, nothing more. "I don't have to look into the problem, you do that. Oh, you looked into it? Well, those numbers aren't valid. I don't trust the source. The data doesn't show everything I might want. It's invalid. QED there's no problem"
If you want to know whether there is a problem, then seek out the people who encounter the problem, research the problem, study the data. If you don't want to know, then don't claim that you're interested
Then just say "I'm happier believing that the problem doesn't exist"
 
1:02 PM
@jalf lol, stop telling me/saying what I want or do not want. Let me be the judge of that.
 
@jalf watch out or wilx might pull out his classic final move
 
@wilx No, I will not let you be the judge of whether or not sexism is a thing that exists in the world
 
@orlp What would that be?
 
@jalf He'll claim you're the sexist for thinking women can't choose for themselves whether they want to enroll in STEM.
 
I've got a better idea. How about you let the people who claim to experience sexism be the judge?
 
1:03 PM
@jalf: Believe me, I would be happier man if there were more women around me.
 
@wilx Sure, but you don't want to do anything to make that happen
And you don't want to believe that there might be a reason that so few women are around you
 
@wilx do nursing ...
 
@jalf Are you telling me to outsource decisions about my life to other people. Are you that retarded?
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It's chance, coincidence, nothing more. It certainly isn't because women dont' feel welcome in our industry
@wilx seriously?
@wilx How old are you?
I thought it was cool to call people retarded when I was 12
 
Mar 15 at 20:32, by wilx
@orlp Both you and @Cinch are worst sexists of all. You are both refusing to admit that women do something on their own. Instead, you remove the agency from the women and try blame outside influence solely.
 
1:05 PM
You are, yet again, putting words in my mouth, telling me what and how I should feel about things, what to do, etc. Yes, you are.
 
classic wilx switcharoo logic
 
@wilx I think I see the core misunderstanding here. You think this is all about you. No one gives a shit about your life. But you are pretty damn eager to be the judge of other people's experiences of discrimination and sexism in IT. You want to be the judge of other people. I'm just pointing out that this problem is about other people being discriminated against. And you do not get to be the judge of whether their experiences are real
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@orlp Yes, the context warranted that.
 
Ok, my point of view (from working at various organizations through the years) is that women sometimes can feel uncomfortable working with too many guys because ... well, they don't have many people to really talk to at work because guys stick around with guys & they often exclude women when socializing
 
@sehe so apparently I can answer that question shrugs
 
1:06 PM
@orlp But that's exactly true.
 
@wilx I strongly disagree, and I think it's a prime example of your delusion.
 
@orlp You're completely wrong there.
 
@wilx "you guys are removing agency from women, but I'm perfectly comfortable deciding, on behalf of women, who the real sexists are"
That's beautiful
 
Xeo
Ugh, this whole discussion.
 
@jalf Stop pretending as if you knew what I say or feel. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/22207300#22207300 Then, when I react about your allegation about what I think or feel, you are like "Oh, but it not all about you." I was only reacting at you. Can you fucking not see that?
This is not the first time you have done that.
Is that a strawman fallacy or what?
 
1:10 PM
The fallacy is engaging jalf at all
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@wilx I don't think it is, no.
 
@jalf You wound't, would you.
 
At work place, it is just a lot easier to make friends with people of the same sex ... similar to school or most of the social gatherings
 
@jalf Go easy on him. He's having a rough time
 
from ESA's Proba-2 sat
 
1:12 PM
No. I honestly don't see your point. You are rattling off contrived arguments for why there is no problem with women in tech. I say that maybe you should let the women in tech have a say in this, and you say that no, YOU want to be the judge of your life? And then I point out that "your life" isn't the subject of this discussion
So no I can fucking not see that I'm guilty of a strawman fallacy here
 
I made nearly 0 close friends through years at work ... but inherited qute a few from my uni days
 
There's been quite a bit of chatter about that prominence in the bottom right quadrant; it's unusual to be able to see such things with the naked eye (modulo weak filters)
 
@jalf "I say that maybe you should let the women in tech have a say in this, and you say that no, YOU want to be the judge of *your life*?" -- Can you really say this with straight face?
WTF?
 
@wilx Perhaps, instead of calling me retarded, you could elaborate on why that upsets you? Perhaps we're just talking past each others
@wilx What I was trying to convey was that in a discussion about discrimination against women in tech, we should listen to the people who experience discrimination, and ultimately, let them be the judges of whether a problem exist. I think that's a pretty reasonable statement. I'm not sure which part of that prompted you to say the thing about outsouring decisions about your life to other people
 
1:19 PM
also from my personal experience/observation, the only companies that hire a lot of women software developers (say 50%) is because they are cheaper
but I would not want to work for such companies because I believe I worth more
you could choose not to hire me, but I can also make the same amount of money somewhere else, with less effort
or the same amount of effort & potentially making more
 
"There's no problem" vs "I mean, all the companies I see in tech hiring women don't pay them well"
herp derp
 
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Q: Why can't non-POD objects be copied with memcpy?

JulesAccording to various sources I've read, the following C++ code invokes undefined behaviour: class A { public: virtual void method () { std::cout << "Hello" << std::endl; } }; ... A *a, *b; // obtain 2 Instances from somewhere, then... memcpy (a, b, sizeof(A)); a->method(); Why...

you can't answer with just "undefined behavior"
 
Yeah, you have to bold it and abbreviate it UB
 
At this point I must say, I'm terribly sorry for (potentially) bringing this topic back up. I just wanted to share a nice example of how memetic thoughts don't work well (except for spreading memetic thoughfs)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The next one is in 11 years and it's a once in a generation opportunity? WTF. How is a generation even less than it takes for people to start breeding? Why is everyone stupidly hyping this shit :<
 
1:29 PM
My god, it's full of shared_ptrs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Generations are shorter in the UK due to all the teenage pregnancies
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees No, no, this is pre-teen pregnancies.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees I bet that's LRiO's fault
god damnit LRiO
> Having a bad day? 9gag.com/gag/ar4nAn7
oh god
 
@Mgetz they can be copied with memcpy
 
It's even more stupid when I consider that my generation, my father's generation, and my grandfather's generation have all witnessed both the 1999 and the 2015 eclipse. My grandfather might not witness the one in 2026, but it isn't at all unlikely that both me and my father will witness all three.
 
1:37 PM
A total solar eclipse will take place on Monday, August 21, 2017. A solar eclipse occurs when the Moon passes between Earth and the Sun, thereby totally or partly obscuring the image of the Sun for a viewer on Earth. A total solar eclipse occurs when the Moon's apparent diameter is larger than the Sun's, blocking all direct sunlight, turning day into darkness. Totality occurs in a narrow path across Earth's surface, with the partial solar eclipse visible over a surrounding region thousands of kilometres wide. The eclipse will have a magnitude of 1.0306 and will be visible from a narrow corridor...
 
Solar eclipses are underwhelming.
 
we all go to visit jerry @ his hometown then drive to kentucky
 
user1804599
It doesn't consider changes to existing features.
 
user1804599
Or half features that the client wants to see already.
 
user1804599
1:46 PM
Especially ICW other half features.
 
@milleniumbug About this distance.
And a metre is about this distance.
 
Xeo
You're not really showing the distance with your hands right now, are you?
 
Not anymore.
 
Table 8 seems interesting. 29.5 % masters degree graduates are female.
I also like this table: bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18.htm
 
@wilx I'm so sorry you were caught by the jalf argument trap.
 
1:58 PM
32.4 / 136 ~~ 23.8 %
@Jefffrey jalf hijacked the discussion with somebody else.
I could not find more historic data to see the trends.
 

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