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user1804599
22:00
It has Tuple. What else do you need?
user1804599
Python tuples are silly.
python had that (x, y) = something; use x; use y;
Can we all - maybe - star this message instead of that meh obvious statement about the actual holidays?
@Puppy aww
A quick peek at the transcript shows sehe up to his usual old tricks.
user1804599
22:01
@AlexM. unpacking not specific to tuples.
Why is it always the ones complaining about troublemakers who continue making the trouble?
...
also tuple seems to be .net 4+ only
and why did you lot not help me decide: xbox or pub
I can't target that with unity :(
22:02
because now i'm bored of xbox and it's too late for pub
bastards
@LightnessRacesinOrbit PUB!!!!!!!
user1804599
@Borgleader I'm offended because he's gay.
user1804599
@AlexM. lol
user1804599
Unity is worse than I thought.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Take a little longer peek at the transcript?
22:03
@rightføld Do you still have your Monad tutorial on github? Linky?
user1804599
I never had a monad tutorial on GitHub.
@rightføld They got killed in chat incidents, I fear
@rightføld I thought it was a page that simply said "Fucking use them" or something.
you people are obsessed with homosexuality
user1804599
@FredOverflow ohh right, wait
22:04
@rightføld Still the better than UE4 IMO.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Some people are allowed to be. Because they are. You're not the only one obsessing with his/her own life. (Also, there was prolly a joke there. But hey :))
user1804599
@FredOverflow I'll make a new one on my website, wait a sec
@rightføld ...dying to see it :)
user1804599
That blog post should be flagged as abuse for being jibberish
22:07
I wish that worked for learning category theory.
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your mom should be flagged as abusing space by being fat.
That comment should be flagged as abusive.
How come insulting someone's mum's weight is okay yet if I made a horrid remark about you being a bender I'd be suspended?
There, flagged.
and, yes, that's deliberate flagbait to prove the point
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit At least Bender isn't fat.
22:10
Lounge<Drama>
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Lounge<Have a Laff Son>
Can't we simply disable flagging in the room settings or something?
user1804599
@FredOverflow what did you need it for?
@FredOverflow It's useful sometimes
and no
@rightføld lol
22:12
in Java, 11 mins ago, by Gemtastic
what's monad?
user1804599
lol
@AlexM. Lounge<its_not_getting_any_better_because_the_self_appointed_resident_trolls_are‌​_getting_numb_and_they_are_ruining_the_mood_for_everyone_else>
that doesn't look like Java now
I remember when I still liked wandering into the lounge, even when there was drama going on
Sounds like Lounge's template parameter became overrated.
22:15
@sehe Yeah, hasn't been the case for at least a year for me
I miss puppy downvoting things like crazy
I got downvoted by him too, when I first joined
@AlexM. Fixed :)
@Borgleader Why are you here if you don't like it?
@sehe it was more about the verbosity though :P
@FredOverflow I hope to learn things
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22:16
@sehe Snake case is so much more readable than camel case!
@Borgleader Even that is slightly on the decline. Still worth it for me though!
Someone invent snake toes
@sehe How about snake tongues? They kinda resemble camel toes.
@Borgleader The upside I'm noticing, though, is that more influx is visible from other rooms (and I don't mean the leeches/disruptors, I mean cross-chatroom regulars) and I feel they might - in the long run, simply take over. At least, they seem to be not-so-complacent with the room's acquired culture and (hence) tend to still debate things.
I still feel a bit guilty I quit being involved in that. But I have myself to take care of too
@FredOverflow close enough
Having said that. I'm cold and should be heading to bed. There's not questions anyway (not that I can/will answer)
@Borgleader Nothing programming-related, I assume. Cause if that's the case, you won't learn much here.
@FredOverflow untruth detected
22:22
@FredOverflow My experience here begs to disagree.
I learned about vector<bool> here.
I keep up with the (interesting) proposals here, learn heaps when Robots/Xeo/Lucs/Dietmars/whoever participates (even Puppies, when they talk from experience, not default-rejection) discuss libs/design/etc.
and I learned that I don't want to ever use Haskell
in fact I heard so much about Haskell here
that right now I hate it
it's like eating too much of the same dish
I pick up so many side-related topics here, I probably cannot even put a number on it.
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
GridObject.SnapToCell (Vector2 cell) (at Assets/Scripts/Level/GridObject.cs:21)
ugh why does this happen
fuck
my design is fucked up
22:25
@AlexM. Hearing about Haskell is not at all the same as trying it out.
I need to view it from afar, I don't even know what I did here anymore
but at least the game works
it's only the editor side that's fucked up
and this is because I had to make certain objects execute in edit mode as if they are in play mode :(
It took me half an hour to make an abs function in Haskell.
Nice vids I suppose. My pick over live-streamed gaming youtube.com/results?search_query=kippo+honeypot
@E_net4 in what language
@E_net4 o.O
@sehe Haskell. I was following the context.
The problem was figuring out how to have a number with a total order as a parameter.
abs x = if x < 0 then -x else x
The compiler figures out the correct type.
22:30
Sure, that was the easiest part.
abs :: Num a => a -> a
or something
Does Ord support the negate operator?
user1804599
Num not Ord.
@rightføld But with just Num you don't have a total order.
x < 0 would fail.
user1804599
Then both Num and Ord.
22:31
Prelude> let abs x = if x < 0 then -x else x
Prelude> :t abs
abs :: (Num a, Ord a) => a -> a
Indeed, but it took me a while to get the syntax right.
Let ghci help you with signatures.
Justin Timberlake's signature?
it's a pretty signature
22:36
I love writing signatures.
Oh, the word play.
Damn. I almost made it in the nick of time, but uploading took too long
It's just free compiler-checked documentation
@sehe Al I see is Jit Tlill
user1804599
22:38
Great.
user1804599
I made my HTTP client a function from Request to Future[Response].
user1804599
Functions are great.
yep
@Nooble All I see is a signature :)
seems like I did not yet implement ADL for unary operators.
22:39
they are
user1804599
Now I can create a function that keeps a cookie jar!
@sehe Everyone's so excessively sloppy with signatures.
@melom So, what made it suddenly work on december 28th? — sehe 13 secs ago
@Nooble You might be assuming purposes that signatures don't actually carry
@sehe I know, I know. But who started the trend to make signature irrecognizable from the signee's name?
Nobody did. It was never a goal in the first place. And, I don't think that sample is unrecognizable
22:45
My signature is a rather readable transcription of my name. Or of the word "Robot" if I'm feeling so inclined.
Hi.
Hi!
Hello!
OHAI SIR ROBOT OF BOTR
BOTR?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit TBOTR ?
22:50
That signature crashed my PC twice in a row.
your PC must hate justin timberlake
user1804599
Hmm.
@FredOverflow what bowser? It's svg (the first one)
No way. I didn't know they dubbed Konqueror "koopa"
23:00
beautiful, everything works now
I should switch to something gameplay related like the inventory's GUI or quests or w/e
don't want to get bored by doing maths all day
@Borgleader sure why not
I FUCKING LOVE PROGRAMMING
JESUS CHRIST
Relax buddy.
:( k
thanks
23:10
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@AlexM. Oh god, have you switched camps to gamedev? ;)
@FredOverflow nah, it's something native to me chat.stackoverflow.com/…
Welp... TIL: Don't put a high-end SSD and a Western Digital Green drive on the same motherboard and expect Windows to work...
?! woah
23:20
in Java, 31 secs ago, by FredOverflow
@Unihedro Lounge<Buddha> has taught me not to care about people calling each other names on the Internet.
@Mysticial What? Why not?
@Borgleader While I'm not 100% sure, the Windows thinks that the WD drive times out and BSODs on boot.
The moment I unplug the WD Green, Windows boots fine.
But with it plugged in, half the time it BSODs on boot. I looked up the error message and it said it is often caused by an HD not responding to a request in time.
@Mysticial Have you tried different SATA ports?
I have all kinds of bs with ssd + hdds. The hdds comes and goes.
23:23
It's possible that Windows sees that the SSD responds extremely quickly. And then expects the rest of them to respond with in a window relative to the first one.
@FredOverflow Yes. Same thing
@Mysticial It should work. I'm running a Samsung 840 EVO + WD Blue 1TB in this machine.
@Mysticial nice that it BS because "It thinks that a drive times out"
@Mysticial I have an OCZ Vector 4 and a WD in my PC. Ok the SSD is not exactly high end but, I'm thinking maybe the HDD is defective?
I tried about 5 of the 10 ports on the board. All the same.
@hichris123 Blue != Green
23:24
@Borgleader The HD is fine, I plugged it into the dock and it looks okay.
@Mysticial Is it possible that the Green is genuinely defective?
@sehe Yeah, Green is lower RPM & more eco-friendly. But still...
@FredOverflow I haven't ruled it out 100%, but I think it might just be an incompatibility. Perhaps the WD green spin down is killing the OS.
Are you using Windows 7, 8 or 10?
7
The sad part is that this has been happening for the last day or so, and I thought it was because I didn't give the CPU enough voltage.
23:26
Maybe it will work with newer Windows? You could give 10 a try.
@Mysticial lol, like one would :)
Are you overclocking?
@FredOverflow I disabled the overclock - same thing. lol
@FredOverflow Fuck Windows 8 - 10. I not going to use it until it's required for AVX512.
I swapped out the WD Green with a Seagate Barracuda, and all is good AFAICT.
@Mysticial 10 actually isn't too horrible. I'm running it currently. Also, since you're on 7: be sure to enable TRIM as it isn't on by default in 7.
@Mysticial hint: jump to linux! It'll never require Win8-10 for AVX512
23:29
@hichris123 I need Aero.
?! miffed
@Mysticial I do miss Aero. Why do you need it?
@hichris123 Because it makes things not ugly. :)
23:29
Windows 8 is so fucking ugly. It's worse than XP.
I just used a goto label to solve project euler 59.

::trollface::
Win7 w/o aero is ugly
@Mysticial can't you just make your windows nice and purple on any other OS?
@AlexM. Wat? Its the best
23:31
@hichris123 Trim is already enabled. I think one of the updates probably picked it up.
@Borgleader at least it's less slow and less visually confusing :)
I'm gonna do a stress-test on that WD green and see if it holds up.
It certainly is possible that it's defective.
I'm surprised you picked a low end HDD
I had it sitting around. No need to buy another one.
@Mysticial SP1 includes Trim support, does it not?
23:35
@FredOverflow No idea. But I need SP1 anyway for AVX.
@AlexM. win 7 w/o areo enabled is actually slower than with it enabled
I'd figure aero taxes the gpu the most anyway
SMART is all green on that WD drive.
@AlexM. bingo, if you disable areo it composites on the CPU not the GPU
23:39
@Mysticial You can download Windows 7 ISOs including SP1 from Microsoft, in case you didn't know.
@Mysticial windows 7 regardless of SP doesn't support AVX properly
@Mgetz AVX works fine on SP1. What are you talking about?
@Mysticial try running AVX code in compat mode... the kernel doesn't save the registers on an interrupt
Oh, I don't care about compat mode.
New code doesn't work in compatibility mode?
Seems like a very minor issue.
23:42
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is "compatibility mode"?
A Windows feature for running programs that depend on idiosyncrasies of older versions of Windows.
@R.MartinhoFernandes compatibility mode is x86, AVX only works in x64 or "long" mode
@Mgetz Oh, CPU mode.
@Mgetz I've had no problems with AVX in 32-bit compiled code.
(aside from it being slower due to register spills)
@Mysticial I realize you don't, but if they were that sloppy in implementation it makes me think they probably aren't correctly handling AVX state in a context switch too
23:45
Is that only in debugging?
btw @FredOverflow this is a good sample of learning things in the lounge
@Mysticial apparently so
Oh. That's why I never hit it.
ITT Mysticial never makes bugs, so why debug :)
hmm... sure enough, I'm having trouble reading part of the drive. The drive was fine as of last week. Maybe all those improper shutdowns corrupted the directory.
I'll try reformatting it.
23:49
@Mysticial Backup PI first!
I'd never trust a drive that misbehaved
@FredOverflow It's already a backup drive. So there's nothing to backup.
My eyes hurt from coding in size 8 font. Why do I do this to myself?
@Mysticial yeah, who needs backups :)
Or rather, I have a lot of drives sitting around. Instead of keeping them empty, I usually stuff them with secondary and tertiary backup copies of random data. This also helps when I'm doing read-testing or >2TB support testing since there's already data on it.
23:52
except you don't remember which is stored where
why not?
what about the time lord hat? That is based off a British tv show Doctor who or something.. Am I going to complain, no.. — Sompuperoo 1 min ago
Dammit
Good, there's no personal data on that drive. So if the format fails and I brick the drive, I can send it back without worry.
guns.com/2011/05/25/… I have trouble believing this shit
@Mysticial uhoh. shred the data first :) privacy is important too
23:59
welp, format failed... hmm...
@FredOverflow not funny at all
@Mysticial How old is the drive?
@FredOverflow 6 months?
that guy doesn't know how to write humour
WD Green 4TB
23:59
lol someone is worried that the drive is his porn storage

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