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12:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it's a really cool idea.
My deepest regret is coming into the office today
@Jefffrey the hell medical issues. Also have you looked at the Love games I've sent you? land was created in 1.5 hrs :P
The super important thing HR wanted from me is confirming my address
(I am always bringing it up because I am hellishly proud of its terrain generation)
49 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@Jefffrey No
12:02
@CatPlusPlus I thought email was a thing
I had to tram myself here juuuust for that
And in the end it was over the phone anyway
@LightnessRacesinOrbit santa is giving you a colored dragon for a girlfriend?
Tomalak is going to ride some dragon, how sweet!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does it involve rats
@BartekBanachewicz You sent me Love games?
I like a santa who knows how to bargain
12:04
Maybe my medical issues are very serious, given that I don't remember such a thing.
@Jefffrey Love2d
it was you wasn't it
Nov 4 at 17:38, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Jefffrey @Ell here are my hardcore ultrashort solo jam projects
stop fucking with me
I hear being a programmer will be in the next DSM
12:05
@CatPlusPlus Spaceships. I guess we can call it "Bad Rats 3: Space Rats"
@BartekBanachewicz I swear I don't remember that
fuck you MSI
Just... fuck you
And fuck Microsoft and the Visual Studio team and the idiots on the Visual Studio team who write broken installers for their own fucking product using their own fucking technology
@BartekBanachewicz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… how do you not know this
I guess MSI is giving you trouble?
@TonyTheLion I'm trying to uninstall VC++ Express
And getting cryptic errors which cause it to roll back the uninstall
so now I'm trying to repair the installation, just so I can uninstall it
Just so I can install Community edition
Because you can never have too many different versions of the same fucking product
12:11
@TonyTheLion Whatever gives you that impression? MSI is a magnificent product that demostrates the superiority of OS-designer app...... OK, it'shit.
@MartinJames hehe
Xeo
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I have VS2013 and VS2015 Preview installed at home.
@jalf ohhh I see
but for once, at least, it's not our own installer that's causing me to hate MSI. So there's that, at least
Have fun with that
12:12
@jalf Haha uninstalling VS
It's about as doable as uninstalling SQL Server
format C
@CatPlusPlus yeah, I'm looking forward to going through those 40 different entries they throw into the add/remove programs list, and trying to uninstall them one by one
that's the best
What day is today?
Friday
21st Nov 2014
12:13
lol
WTF happened to the rest of the week?
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Gooone
Also, kitties
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's friday
12:14
and apparently it's a black friday
@Bartek just joking.
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I want it to be Monday
@Xeo Oh man, I want a cat now
damn you
Can I come visit your cats?
12:14
:)
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@TonyTheLion sure
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Also, keep me up-to-date with your office kitties
actually, can't you just keep them at the office? :P
looking to re-home one at the moment
the other two have found new homes
no
our office is tiny
Rebasing cats
12:15
I also have a cat cage I need to get rid of
its in mint condition, so it seems a waste to throw it out
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I still don't get why you can't keep cats in your flat :<
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
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try negotiating with the owner?
@Xeo because landlords
at least YT videos don't autoplay
12:16
also its carpet everywhere
if cat decides to pee on it, I'm screwed
in other news we gonna take a cat or two when we move to our apartment, too
oooh
Woohoo! Time to reboot!
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@TonyTheLion have it not pee on the carpet, then :P
I can't really make that garantuee
I reported a public Facebook comment that just said "kill yourself please", and Facebook rejected my flag because it "does not violate [their] community guidelines".
12:17
@TonyTheLion Kill it. It works.
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I'm lucky in that regard, I have plank flooring
also, the sofas in my flat are the landlords, so if it scratches those
eeeek
Dead cats don't scratch.
You're a meanie
also WTB arguments for keeping hardwood on the floor in the corridor
12:18
@TonyTheLion Just solving problems!
> garantuee
are you @ThePhD now or what
I can never spell that word
it's guarantee ffs
ffs
don't get all pissy with me
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really the best solution, please revise your algorithms
Typos are a PhDism now?
12:19
@R.MartinhoFernandes this particular one\
No, Barket likes to blame people he don't like
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They're a coshism, if anything
Apr 4 '13 at 8:28, by ThePhD
It provides the same strong garuntees as unique_ptr, but works for values.
12:20
my coworker across from me is sleeping again
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@TonyTheLion I like you :< sometimes.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
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@TonyTheLion lol
I am chatting at work again
that's not unusual
12:21
@TonyTheLion Good choice
actually, sleeping here is also not so unusual
because working is :effort:
> Please beware the c++ 11 is not an option
@FredOverflow It's deeply frustrating that that makes sense in this case -=.-
DON'T LET THE AUTOERS WIN
@BartekBanachewicz contact headhunter
12:24
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dude get over it already. Type inference is A Very Good Thing.
Added the member pointer operator syntax variant for completeness — sehe 47 secs ago
I think I might get downvotes for saying boost::for_each(v, std::cout << (arg1->*&pnt::_type) << "\n"); in my answer :S
@BartekBanachewicz no
Sorry, but it is by design that CppCheck fails to detect OP's problem. CppCheck is designed to produce a stream of langauge tokens, and apply "patterns" to check token sequences for problems. But a tokenizer has no real understanding of the type information in the language and thus can't do any "type" related checking. Of course, with sufficient energy, one could add all that type information by processing the tokens, but by then you have full featured C++ front end and that doesn't appear to be in CppCheck's ambition. This tool simply cannot go very far in serious static analysis. — Ira Baxter Aug 15 '12 at 21:40
^ lol
old but lol
dat Ira Baxter just wants to kill all competition eh
even when it's no competition
ugh Ira Baxter
Wtf dude
A post from Ira in 2012?
just happened across it
12:27
How did you dig that up?
new CppCheck question -> CppCheck older question that's related -> answer from CppCheck developer on CppCheck older question -> comment from Ira blasting the CppCheck developer
in other words, "using SO"
only 62 years old
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that sounds like a bad horror movie
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think it's because you're thinking in the classic OOP-ishness way, whereas C++ really isn't made to solve problems using that (instead opting for generics and templates).
horror sci-fi @ that
12:29
@BartekBanachewicz probably
still, I've laid out my problems with excessive auto use before and nobody's been able to give me a reason that they're invalid problems. Robot agreed in principle IIRC
that being said, none of those problems apply to Fred's "translation". that's just more a knee-jerk stylistic reaction on my part
definitely made worse by people like Alf spreading this auto main() -> int nonsense
I just hate auto b = std::vector<int>() compared to std::vector<int> b though I can, of course, see why it is good in this case. If C++ were a different language and as such the auto prefix weren't required (or were var or something instead) then I might feel differently
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd like to give you a counterexample - vast majority of Haskell code I write doesn't have any type specs whatsoever; only functions that lie on module boundaries, for documentation purposes. I know that's a different paradigm, language, or whatnot, but that is precisely what I wanted to point out.
@BartekBanachewicz I see
so you wanted to point out that completely different languages with completely different paradigms do the thing that sprinkling auto everywhere does. I feel that's more making my point than yours
;)
why do it myself when Eric Lippert dedicated an entire blog to it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It might make sense if you're writing highly generic C++ code that doesn't depend on runtime polymorphism for example. Altough admittedly that is not everywhere.
ugh "business problem"
@Mgetz :D
12:33
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it was about C# but most of it applies
auto myPoo = getMyPoo();
quite clear imho
@Mgetz a good summary of the enemy's POV
> enemy
Stop putting it that way :(
kill them all!!!
lol
you suck
12:34
@BartekBanachewicz dude it's a war deal with it
>Summing up, my advice is:

Use var when you have to; when you are using anonymous types.
Use var when the type of the declaration is obvious from the initializer, especially if it is an object creation. This eliminates redundancy.
Consider using var if the code emphasizes the semantic "business purpose" of the variable and downplays the "mechanical" details of its storage.
Use explicit types if doing so is necessary for the code to be correctly understood and maintained.
Use descriptive variable names regardless of whether you use "var". Variable names should represent the semantics of the
lol @LRiO using Bartekisms
anyway, Eric touches briefly on my main concern with implicit typing, then hand-waves it away but essentially I don't think his hand-waving is sound
Bartekism - a variant of communism?
but like you I shan't go into depth on it now
@BartekBanachewicz I just can't help modelling myself after you
12:35
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
also cat sometimes :laffo:
@LightnessRacesinOrbit his point is largely: "Unless the type actually matters, do you really care?"
@Mgetz and my point is "Yes, I do" which is equally as informative as far as pithy phrases go!
I make great use of the compiler telling me when I'm trying to assign the wrong thing to the wrong thing and I like to know that at the point of declaration. if I used auto I wouldn't get to know that. it's highly subjective probably
@LightnessRacesinOrbit then you shouldn't use auto, but in the very many cases where the type doesn't really provide any useful information auto is ok
maybe even comes down to individual approaches to bug hunting
@Mgetz Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places I would use it
12:37
do you use guns in bug hunting?
really small ones
12:38
@LightnessRacesinOrbit rock salt converted nerf guns
Flamethrower good for everything
Starship Troopers weaponry.
That's why you don't just eyeball it
@CatPlusPlus unless you're playing KSP
Do you use gravity assists often?
12:41
Me? Yeah
I find them mostly unusable.
Mods?
nope, at least not easily enough to be practical/feasible. GCC was specifically designed to explicitly prohibit this kind of usage because Richard Stallman is a paranoid and wanted to avoid any non-free use of GCC. Maybe look into clang, which is already a library. — The Paramagnetic Croissant 31 mins ago
joy
I rarely get much out of them, but they're fun to do!
nah, no mods
I like eyeballing things, but I'd also like if it could be played with some planned precision.
It's impossible to plan a Grand Tour-style mission for example.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah now that I think about it, in classic OOP it's very common that two classes have exactly the same interface. With GP, a similar class would typically break in some place if substituted improperly, and if it wouldn't, it typically means it's braindead-replaceable.
12:44
Even if you get the right planetary alignment you can't plan it.
@jalf you played Factorio yet?
Even something less ambitious like Rosetta's trajectory isn't feasible.
So everything turns into New Horizons-style rocket fest.
is there a builtin git alias for stash && pull --rebase && push && stash pop ?
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Q: C++ Convert number to pointer of type?

Man Ik WeetI have the following bit of code: int* anInt = new int(5); uintptr_t memAddr = (uintptr_t)&anInt; Log("memAddr is: " + std::to_string(memAddr)); int* anotherInt = (int*)&memAddr; Log("anInt is: " + std::to_string(*anInt)); Log("anotherInt is: " + std::to_string(*anotherInt)); Now I want anothe...

12:48
Basically, a maneuver node overall where you can set up many many nodes ahead is what I want.
@BartekBanachewicz Braindead-replaceable in terms of API. Very much perhaps not in terms of actual semantics/behaviour (especially if the API is poor). When I change a type I like to be informed by compiler errors that I now need to go check the documentation and make sure the functions I'm calling do what I think they do
That would be much better without even adding porkchops.
that doesn't mean I don't make good use of type alias members or wouldn't use auto locally for shit like iterators if I were in C++11/C++14
(inb4 "there's no such language as C++11/C++14; pick one")
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well if your interfaces/constraints suck
If you're thinking in terms of implementation details then your code could probably use some lighter coupling
12:50
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you don't use C++11? Suck.
Also cat's got a point there
Yes, and it's a point against AAA
No budget for AAA
@BartekBanachewicz nup :(
actually , this is running in turbo c++ , so std was not defined that time — Anonyme132 2 hours ago
this still happening in 2014 :(
@CatPlusPlus Point is who says all the interfaces/constraints are mine? In the real world we work with shit code that other people have written.
12:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes Grand Tour?
AAA assumes fresh, well designed code to dismiss its disadvantages. It's something you find in the pit of success but not something that pushes you into it.
@jalf the Voyagers.
@jalf doo eet
oh right
@BartekBanachewicz I use C++11 on Stack Overflow if that counts
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you see this?
but yeah, I agree
12:56
I don't even want porkchops.
I've still found no way to justify touching our build systems and making sure our libcs are in sync across our target platforms and whatnot
I just want to be able to eyeball all the assists along the way.
eyeballing the actual execution of maneuvers is great fun, but I'd like to be able to at least plan them properly
we just have no need for C++11 that warrants spending any time on it whatsoever
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@sehe too localized where are you
12:56
i mean it's not just a case of flipping a switch in a makefile
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how about "stop having to use C++98 and reinventing what C++11 offers"
i've not had to reinvent any of it
well, apart from futures
I mean, come on, unordered containers are C++11
and to be fair Robot did most of the work on that one
range for.
lambdas
12:57
@BartekBanachewicz boost::unordered_map works fine.
@BartekBanachewicz BOOST_FOREACH
@BartekBanachewicz not found a dying need for them
well then. Move semantics.
user1804599
copy
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ref param
@BartekBanachewicz probably about the only thing I'd consider making the move for as it would give us tangible benefits.
however you don't need move semantics to transfer large bodies of data without copying it
god I have this bullshit AV at work that blocks anything Code::Bollocks builds and runs
I have to manually add an exception for each .exe
12:58
it's very very easy to get by perfectly fine with C++03 and I don't see why people can't get that -.-
> No, we don't "need" enum class. We can get sufficiently equivalent functionality in other ways. But by that logic, we don't "need" a lot of stuff in C++. We don't "need" virtual functions and inheritance, since we can just implement it manually with vtables and such. We don't "need" member functions; these can be emulated by having them take an additional argument.

Language features exist to make programmers lives easier. Just because something can be done manually doesn't mean that it should.
sure C++11 is easier
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ^
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@AlexM. delete the AV software.
user1804599
Problem solved.
12:58
RIP @NicolBolas
@rightføld I'll probably get fired
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What did you change/add btw?
@BartekBanachewicz I never said it "should" be done manually. I said it's not worth the cost to stop doing it "manually".
user1804599
Install different AV software.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I consider it overly verbose and annoying
user1804599
12:59
If you still get fired for that then you want to get fired.
But there's also a silly slippery slope argument in that quote which I shall henceforth entirely ignore
@BartekBanachewicz There's no denying our codebase would be prettier in C++11
just.. not prettier enough
that's enough argument for me.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh
dude it's cost-benefit and I don't write the paychecks
@LightnessRacesinOrbit C++!!!!!!1eleven!!

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