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11:00 PM
@Sofffia 'NT'?
 
@Rapptz I guess it's ME
 
Everything post 3.0 is NT.
No
ME is post 2000.
or pre, I don't recall
I think they meant Windows 3.1
 
Yeah, it's post 2000.
I dunno, I wasn't exactly consentient at the time.
 
We're in Windows NT 8.3 I think (for Windows 10).
 
I see.
 
11:03 PM
Oh it's 6.4.
 
Ell
NT is the kernel isn't it?
 
No, just a family of OSes
 
user1646075
I thought ME was the first attempt at a home O/S using the NT kernel
 
user1646075
XP was the one that sorta-got it right, and got it right after SP2 or 3
 
No, it was Windows 3.1
which was called Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 3.1 is a 32-bit operating system developed by Microsoft. It constitutes the first operating system of the Windows NT family and was released on July 27, 1993. Although it is the first version in the NT line, the name was chosen as a brand extension of the similar Windows 3.1. The architecture of Windows NT 3.1 was designed from scratch, and was originally intended to be a rewrite of the OS/2 operating system that Microsoft had co-developed with IBM; however, the popularity of Windows 3.0 resulted in a change to a more Windows-like architecture, a change which subsequently resulted in...
I guess I remembered wrong
Windows NT 3.1 is different from Windows 3.1
 
user1646075
11:06 PM
oooohhhhhh - "Windows ME had a short shelf-life of just over a year. Microsoft aimed to make ME the first consumer Windows OS based on the NT kernel. However, this did not happen and ME was rushed to the market after the Neptune project was canceled"
 
I wonder what compiles Windows. I'm guessing it's MSVC but I don't know if it's the commercial version or an internal one.
 
What would be the pros of using an internal one?
 
Ell
@rapptz that's an interesting question
I bet its GCC :P
 
user1646075
@Sofffia might support dirty hacks or even backwards-compatible filth that just keeps it compiling
 
@Sofffia Internal microsoft specific extensions.
 
user1646075
11:12 PM
and might be stripped of some stuff for build performance
 
Right
 
user1646075
I liked Win7. A lot. only a few annoying features that could be switched out.
 
user1646075
great stability
 
@Rapptz As in disk space?
 
11:14 PM
everything increased dramatically
 
user1646075
and general cpu/memory grunt. must have rewrote a lot to .NET
 
user1646075
.NEWT
 
Ell
Hmm. It being written in C meant its memory use was higher I wonder why that is
 
high definition images, I'd guess
 
user1646075
@Ell cut-n-paste
 
11:15 PM
6x increase on CPU, 4x increase on RAM, 10x increase on HDD
 
user1646075
when did they start bundling a lot of .NET infrastructure?
 
I guess that explains all those 'Made for Windows Vista' stickers :p
 
Ell
Cut and paste?
 
Vista
 
user1646075
@Ell cut-n-paste coding. vs. proper organisation into functions. The hallmark of a rushed developer!
 
11:17 PM
why is class so easy you guys?
 
user1646075
@corvid school class, or class Fubar { ... } ?
 
school class
 
> Corel Office, initially developed in Assembler and C, moved to Corel Office for Java, fully developed in Java for portability in 1996, and abandoned in August 1997 because it was too slow. The code was later redeveloped using C and C++.
 
user1646075
'cos the real world is so much harder?
 
lmao
 
11:18 PM
That must have been awful.
 
porting it over constantly?
yeah it sounds like a pain
 
Especially with Assembler, C, Java and C++
 
user1646075
@Rapptz but dayyum you'd get it right the 7th time!
 
It was like: 1996: "Ok, I'm done. Let's see how this goes..."; 1997 "... sheeeeeeeet".
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty - have you done your hair or something? New shoes maybe?
 
user1646075
11:22 PM
 
this site's neat
there are a lot of 'too slow' comments
> Some attempts were made to put some C# in Windows Mobile (e.g. the soft keyboard). The result was judged too slow to be incorporated in the final product and was reverted to C++.
 
Ell
@corvid because you're in the wrong class
 
was Java really that much of a craze?
 
mobile and web applications
 
Ell
I wonder why these managed languages are too slow?
 
user1646075
11:23 PM
@Rapptz yes - it was going to save the world.
 
apparently Netscape was rewritten in Java and abandoned to go back to C++ due to slowness too
 
Ell
Its not like a touch keyboard needs to make lots of allocations
 
btw the site I'm referring to is this: lextrait.com/Vincent/implementations.html
 
@Rapptz Look at the increase from NT 4 to Win2K.
 
@Rapptz wait youtube runs on python? That's actually pretty awesome
 
11:25 PM
apparently
 
user1646075
hah: for microsoft office: "A small attempt was made to develop a miscellaneous single panel in C#, a few years back. It is not known if it has been kept."
 
ThePhD says they use very extensive C++ in MS Office
 
@Rapptz First I heard of that. Sun did write the HotJava browser in Java though. Not much later they abandoned it, both because it was too slow to be usable, but also because it had serious compatibility problems.
 
and that they use Clang to compile isntead of MSVC.
 
@Rapptz Good good
 
11:27 PM
> The code of Netscape browser was written in C, and Netscape engineers, all bought to Java (see M. Cusumano book and article) redeveloped the browser using Java. It was too slow and abandoned. Mozilla, the next version, was later developed using C++.
he cites a book and an article so iunno how true it is
 
I thought all browsers were C or C++
 
They are.
> HotJava never took off, it was far too slow compared to other browsers. It became a showcase for the Java applet technology and the product is now frozen since 1999.
lmao
 
@aclarke better shoes for knee support - you know all those extra muscles ...
 
hotjava is frozen?
 
11:31 PM
is this RUST language cool?
 
people are hoping it'll be their silver bullet
 
@corvid It is different. Still has a small community, and a small set of libraries, but it kind of guarantees memory safety.
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty i think you need to cut down on the 'roids.
 
can it make bimeo gaemps?
 
user1881400
Does anybody using VS know if it's possible to quit the application (running in debug) when you start typing instead of it telling you that the program is running?
 
user1646075
11:34 PM
rtfm? we all use Linux, sorry
 
Yes, there is.
Press Shift+F5
 
user1646075
awwwwww
 
@aclarke all, speak for yourself D:
 
@aclarke I have to work with Windows.
 
user1646075
@Nican commiserations.
 
11:37 PM
@aclarke I'm on Windows.
 
user1646075
@EtiennedeMartel commiserations.
 
user1646075
no, I'm too harsh...
 
@Rapptz Not disputing it, just hadn't heard it (or at least don't remember hearing about it, but toward the end I just didn't pay much attention to Netscape at all.
 
user1646075
goddamn network!
 
Halp, why is the Self type const. Same behaviour with GCC.
 
11:39 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Whatever they said depending on whatever is going on
 
I do vaguely recall downloading and trying (for maybe 10 whole minutes) to use Netscape 6, but never spent any time trying to figure out why it sucked so much.
 
user1646075
@FizzledOut this
 
@Etienne I'm on the floor.
Haha very funny.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm in a chair (no, my feet aren't on the floor either).
 
I'm addicted to alcohol and you'll never convince me that it isn't good for me. hicLightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
 
user1646075
11:42 PM
;-( I'm on ubuntu maintaining a very messy rails project. Don't all laugh at once.
 
FWIW, for most of us, it's no secret at all how truly bizarre meta really is. ;) — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 secs ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes /cc @ThePhD
 
Oh good, they fixed the nlcode problem but it doesn't link to comments properly
 
What?
Oh. It's a reply.
Can't tell what for.
 
@aclarke I,m a gamedev
ThePhD "likes" puns
 
user1646075
11:43 PM
@Borgleader how many 10'thousand lines do you normally use in your functions?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes needs to stop using mobile for srs bzns
 
@aclarke i try to fit within a page, i hate not being able to see all of it at once
 
I don't wanna go home so fuck you, mobile it is.
Also I'm sober and don't want to.
I'm in a don't wanna mood.
 
Ell
I'm in a sad mood
 
11:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suggest you...don't do that.
 
Ell
For the first time in a long while
 
So, what's new?
Don't do what?
 
@Ell youre not still brooding over that hot oktoberfest waitress are you?
 
user1646075
@Ell prime time to pick an avatar that isn't a green checkerboard
 
Ell
@aclarke but I've had this avatar for years :o
 
11:46 PM
Yeah, be a real emo and pick a depressing avatar.
 
user1646075
@Ell you mean you were given it by an automaton years ago?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Be in a "don't wanna mood."
 
Ell
Maybe I'll change it to my Oktoberfest photo :P
 
user1646075
@Ell do it. dare ya. double-dare
 
Ell
@aclarke yeah but then I made it my own by making an svg of it
 
11:47 PM
Yeah, drop that green swastika.
 
user1646075
@Ell oh well, the personal touch....
 
Ell
I don't think I want to put my face on display
 
user1646075
@Ell why? works for me.
 
I do.
Well, no.
 
Ell
Never mind this woman I don't know :P and don't have permission to show :L
 
user1646075
11:49 PM
@Ell use this. you'll fit in very well around here
 
user1646075
 
@Ell The wasp I show didn't give permission either (and no, I don't know her either).
 
Ell
Haha nah
I don't see the appeal of pretending to be an attractive woman on the internet
 
user1646075
this?
 
user1646075
 
11:50 PM
@aclarke Scrubs!
 
Ell
I love Sarah chalke
 
user1646075
@Borgleader she got kinda emo at times
 
Ell
/Elliott Reid
She's very attractive and a good actor too
 
@aclarke Yeah whenever she realized how fucked up she was for not being able to say vagina :P
 
@Ell be different and pretend to be an unattractive woman.
 
user1646075
11:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, sofffia has that genre wrapped up
 
It probably won't make a difference.
Men are pigs regardless.
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes but look on the bright side, you'll get lots of marriage proposals.
 
I find Sofffia's better than Lightness's.
 
Ell
How about I pretend to be an attractive man?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sexist! Oh wait--it's only sexist if you treat women as a homogeneous group. Sorry--carry on.
 
11:53 PM
Oink oink.
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin That's great, coming from a W.A.S.P.
 
@Ell pretend, huh?
Oh.
I was joking about Ell's but Luc's avatar actually looks like a swastika without much squinting.
Wrong spin, I guess.
 
Ell
I think the swastica is a nice pattern really
Shame about those anti semitic associations though
Ill leave my avatar as it is
I'm sure you guys could find a picture of me if you try hard enough
 
Ell
Also interesting google.co.uk/policies/faq
 
user1646075
11:57 PM
@Ell the buddhists would be pissed off - except it's not in their nature...
 
Ell
"Right to be forgotten"
 
I want the right to remember.
 
user1646075
I rented a room to a visiting korean student, and one day she wore a swastika necklace. I freaked out you ... can't ... w-w-w-wear THAT! and she didn't have a goddamned clue
 
I wonder if we made damnatio memoriam impossible
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes especially after a huge night.
 
Ell
11:59 PM
That sounds like a harry potter spell
 
No. Harry Potter spells sound like that.
Kids these days.
 

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