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19:01
Back!
@MartinJames damn... that sounds like it exceeds american grease standards...
THAT'S NUMBERWANG!
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And rightfold wins once again: stackoverflow.com/a/26411803/1804599
and remember we are the country that came up with blooming onion
an appetizer so bad for you the FDA had to ask restaurants to pull it off the menu
@rightføld I upvoted you for the sole reason that you included <numeric>.
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19:03
:D
what the fuck was the Committee thinking when they came up with that header, seriously.
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vOv
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If OP hands this in as homework he'll be screwed immediately as the teacher will probably be confused to death.
all too likely that his teacher is too critically incompetent to recognize somewhat acceptable code.
19:05
@Puppy Doesn't Python cope with different (consistent) indentation forms?
@Puppy probably that it was a nice complement to <complex> but is sadly missing half the functionality it really needs
@rubenvb No.
@Mgetz I honestly fail to see what the point of standardising <complex> is.
At first glance: <numeric> seems to be either lacking in functionality, or too specialized.
a vaguely-proficient child could have done that.
Ell
Ell
19:06
I feel like <complex> is a bit random being in the standard
After seeing inner_product, I was basically expecting to see something like fft if they're gonna go down that route.
Ell
Ell
why, not put matrices & vectors in? I feel like they'd benefit much more from being standardised
vectorisation as in SSE/SIMD would be good I think
@Ell agreed, if you're going to include the basics of a BLAS then why not include the rest?
@Puppy (Well, Python follows an established convention at least](docs.python.org/3.3/reference/…)
19:08
@Ell they are... in the 2D Cairo-inspired graphics library :/
fuck markdown.
Hey!
@rubenvb Don't know, don't care. All I know is that I had perfectly good code and Python refused to accept it for a reason that has nothing to do with me or my code and that I couldn't give less of a shit about.
Ell
Ell
I hope the graphics lib doesn't get standardised :S
@Ell Me too, it's the worst idea since dynarray.
19:09
@Puppy lol you're being so puppy
I hope that lib doesn't get standardised
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I hope that litb gets standardised
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I don't, that guy's bad enough already
Perhaps there are valid alternatives for graphics and it wouldn't be bad to have a portable standard API. But that C-ish thing, ew
it's disgusting shit.
it's insulting to C++ programmers anywhere that it's anywhere near their language.
19:10
Yeah, I don't know why Cairo is even being considered for C++.
I believe it's a solid library and works well enough though, but it's not in line with what C++ is becoming.
@AndyProwl it won't be standardized as is, it will be an RAII'd wrapper of cairo
it seems to me it's being considered because Herb is in a hurry
for some reason
IMO there are much more important things
vastly more important
It's also a bad thing to push everything into the core language/library IMHO.
@AndyProwl I find that amusing since cairo is primarily used NOT on windows
19:12
like why the fuck are the Standard threading libraries so absymal?
Ell
Ell
@AndyProwl yeah I got this impression too
and Unicode support.
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Yay someone answered my question.
yeah, no Unicode support is embarrassing
@Puppy I have yet to find a language that actually has really GOOD unicode support, most just partially succeed badly.
19:13
frankly the whole language is an embarassment
they should have invented Wide years ago
@rightføld Section 8.1.2, the guise keyword
user1804599
this guise
@BartekBanachewicz party all day everyday
what would guise do?
lol
"they" "should have" ... "wide"
How's Wide coming along actually? Long time no hear :-)
19:15
@BartekBanachewicz I don't.
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@Puppy Present an obscure C++ quiz before instantiating the template in question.
@rubenvb Not much time to do anything with it these days.
@rightføld What, "Only those who deserve it shall be able to instantiate this template"?
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Yes!
user1804599
Code using guise shall not be compiled by noobs!
great, I'll just guise all my files and then they'll be safe from you :P
19:19
@Puppy great now people will be confused by the fact that disguise does the exact same thing as guise only with more gusto
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@Puppy And compilation will be even more slow since it requires human intervention.
Ell
Ell
man I'm silly
Note to self: check you have potatoes in before waiting for the over to get up to temperature in order to cook baked potatoes
epic fail
Ell
Ell
yep
@rightføld Wait, slower than compiling C++? Is such a thing even possible? I thought it was like, infinity + 1 = infinity
19:29
It's not infinity. It's just really long.
And my code always seems to be slower to compile than other people's.
I must be doing something wrong.
you are something wrong
@StackedCrooked don't you know templates are the devil?
it's my father's birthday and all I can send him is an email asking him to lend me money.
this is the suck.
I often end up including a lot. Like this is a typical base class header:
#include <atomic>
#include <iosfwd>
#include <memory>
#include <stdexcept>
#include <typeinfo>
#include <vector>
#include <utility>
#include <cstddef>
#include <cstdint>
#include <functional>
#include <future>
#exclude <inutility>
19:32
@StackedCrooked only template code needs that amount of information in a header :-p
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@StackedCrooked sounds like a case of the SRP violations.
user1804599
Concurrency, I/O, probably encoding or decoding some data (<cstdint>).
you had one job.
a single responsibility.
I suppose I could make stuff more granular.
I suppose your mother could be thinner
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19:36
This went south fast :-o
I wish she'd gain some weight actually
I make terrible "your mother" jokes all the time
what's different about this one?
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It got starred.
@StackedCrooked Strictly I guess that as long as she's alive she could always get thinner.
I liked the parallel with the previous sentence
19:36
whether or not that's desirable is another question.
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Ell
Ell
well balls. llvm build failed
roflular
I sympathise with you because building LLVM is a bitch.
seriously I have no idea how all of you manage to fail building LLVM
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19:37
Only pussies build LLVM.
because you have to remember that dumbass RTTI magic global string.
user1804599
Install from a binary distribution noob.
@rightføld Inferior OSes
not possible for Wide.
@Puppy wut?
user1804599
19:38
Your mom's pussy is wide.
ever heard of cmake-gui?
personally I imagine it's of regular width.
Ell
Ell
@Cicada I didn't fail building it, the build failed
@rubenvb Not sure if that actually has the aforementioned switch in it.
Ell
Ell
/usr/local/src/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Basic/SourceManager.cpp:115:23: error: no viable conversion from 'std::unique_ptr<MemoryBuffer>' to 'llvm::MemoryBuffer *'
19:38
@Puppy Then how'd you get through
^ that was easy
@Ell add .get()
@Ell Mismatched Clang&LLVM versions.
Ell
Ell
Hmm so it did try to build everything
they're slowly nuking all the dumb raw ownership shit in trade for unique_ptr.
has anyone here used the opencl "c++" wrapper btw
19:40
I just spent 2.7 minutes figuring out why this command fails:
 $ svn rename llvm LLVM
svn: E155010: Path 'stacked-crooked/LLVM' is not a directory
Then I realized my FS is case sensitive.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy cheers
I really don't get it
I apply for jobs all over france and get no call, and when I apply in the UK I get a phone call within 10 minutes? wtf
he's joking about the inferiority of Linux
@StackedCrooked case insensitive?
err. yeah..
it's sensitive to case problems.
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:P
Ell
Ell
19:44
xD
@Cicada People in UK have lower standards
:P
oh man, be nice
... Said no one in the Lounge, ever.
that's why we're the fastest-growing economy in the West
32 secs ago, by rubenvb
oh man, be nice
19:47
@rubenvb whelp it's been said... in the lounge we even have it quoted for posterity
@Sofffia I get the joke, but if you google for "C++11" or CUDA/GPU jobs (what my CV is mainly made of), there's almost nothing in france, but a lot in the UK. They're just more modern.
so yeah
@Cicada maybe france is just using Eiffel?
No, Mgetz.
<insert joke about some Baguette programming language>
You should strive for more classy jokes.
Come on, man.
19:48
Eiffel is an ISO-standardized, object-oriented programming language designed by Bertrand Meyer (an object-orientation proponent and author of Object-Oriented Software Construction) and Eiffel Software. The design of the language is closely connected with the Eiffel programming method. Both are based on a set of principles, including design by contract, command-query separation, the uniform-access principle, the single-choice principle, the open-closed principle, and option-operand separation. Many concepts initially introduced by Eiffel later found their way into Java, C#, and other languages....
You are better than this.
honestly I was being a bit serious
@Mgetz I think most of us got the joke :p
the french have a practicality that others could use on occasion
that's why their economy has stalled harder than their cars
19:49
@Mgetz Like what
@Cicada hard to say, but you occasionally just see the french do things that defy convention because it's more convenient or just works
not often enough
@Mgetz are perhaps you referring to baguette with cheese
@Cicada I'm american, so the fact that I'm saying anything positive about the french should be taken with a grain of salt. We are an amazingly ungrateful nation
@Puppy oh, you mean like the German economy?
19:53
holy shit bread with cheese?! we' re sunk
@Mgetz AN AMERICAN!!!
@rubenvb Yeah, kinda like that.
@Mgetz No I meant, yes, the french are very pragmatic, you're right on that one
For engineering/math problems
The rest uuuuuh
Ell
Ell
okay
The country isn't doing well anyway
@rightføld But it can be done wrong!
Ell
Ell
19:54
@rightføld it can be done for sho
@Cicada you say that... and then there is Peugeot
a car manufacture considered less reliable than an Alfa Romeo
Ell
Ell
@rightføld he showed me how to do that
@rightføld that is one way
or you can do multiple inheritance & dynamic_cast
@Mgetz Nobody's perfect (and there's Renault)
@Mgetz maybe in your part of the world?
@rightføld stop messing with the space-time continuum would you?
@rubenvb we don't get either alpha or Peugeot in the US... or Citroen either, and we only get Renault via Nissan... so you're missing the joke
19:57
@Mgetz He's italian
grr I hate toenails they're so resistnt
perhaps I should purchase some implement to aid me in removing them
@Mgetz Yes I am... I still am.
@Puppy use acid to remove them. Duh!
currently I mostly try to just rip them off with my fingernails but it's not terribly effective since toenails often seem strongeer
or just use a sharp nail clipper thingie
and leave them be

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