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10:00 AM
@thecoshman I found few spelling errors. Spellcheckers have come a long way!
 
@sehe ok... will try to rework that a bit. There is not a lot for me to say about it though really...
@sehe bah, Turing AI chat challenge, Pirate spelling challenge more like it!
 
@thecoshman Then the best approach is usually: don't say much. Just shout JSON, Xml, and get the hell out :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Makes sense that he does. Cool. Let's see. I mean, he won't mind making a minor factual error in a rant that names 88% of all (historically known) (unicode) encoding schemes (that was bound to be asking for trouble :))
 
@sehe yeah, might just. Thanks
 
@sehe There's only one encoding scheme mentioned there! :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh god. I'll be in that corner there
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, last time I checked, UTF8 was an encoding and UTF32 was too. Now the rest I honestly don't know about, but am I wrong even about UTF32?
Oh and UTF16 was mentioned too IIRC
Time for shave. I look like a gorilla and tomorrow's gonna be the first day in the new office.
 
10:06 AM
@sehe Now you are not. But you phrased it differently :P UTF-8 is an "encoding scheme" because it produces bytes. The others are not (not when used in the context of the post, at least) because they produce bigger units.
 
What post btw?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol. I knew it was something like that. You like being enigmatic just a li'll too much :)
@CatPlusPlus this one?
 
user1804599
Woohoo.
 
Oohoow
 
user1804599
array_map and array_filter.
 
user1804599
10:13 AM
Wonderful.
 
meh
 
user1804599
Now only short lambda syntax and PHP is awesome.
 
lol. it already is!
Nothing compares!
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user1804599
This seven-line PHP function would be one line in Haskell. :(
 
10:27 AM
@not-rightfold Could you do the same in Python ?
Code sample?
 
@not-rightfold And probably just a bucket full of special characters in Perl. But would it be readable?
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Yes.
 
@not-rightfold awesome :)
btw matplotlib is AWESOME
 
It's not. Proof: it's not me.
 
Any idea how to invoke copy-constructor in this case?
 
10:28 AM
You need to either use SFINAE or add another copy ctor.
 
A copy-ctor with demo & as parameter?
 
@not-rightfold Yeah, but only PHP can convert your grandma to Zoroastrianism as a documented side-effect. Now, which is more powerful?
 
That is so bad.
 
@Nawaz We all vehemently agree. Like Scott concluded... (browse browse)
 
10:31 AM
# start service
error blah blah
service started
# restart service
error: service not running
#
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I had to do sum(map(lambda x: x.something * x.something), xs).
 
Stupid shit.
 
@not-rightfold hmmm, that seems pretty easy to do in python
 
Dammit. Browsing hurts my mouse wheel in twitter.
 
sum . map (join $ (*) `on` something)
 
10:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes function concatenation. haskell, rite?
 
Wait, it's a square.
 
@Nawaz Darn. E_TIMEOUT
 
# rvm
The program 'rvm' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
apt-get install ruby-rvm
# apt-get install ruby-rvm
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package ruby-rvm
#
Thanks?
 
Xeo
lol
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Yes, I just gave Python code. :V
 
10:35 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ruby o.O? I thought Cat was the only one :P
 
@sehe: I didn't get you. :|
 
user1804599
In PHP it’s like, array_sum(array_map(function($x) { return $x->something * $x->something; }, $xs)) beh.
 
user1804599
So verbose.
 
@GamesBrainiac I'm not developing with it, just installing some shit on our server.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you using chef?
 
10:36 AM
No.
 
@not-rightfold yucky dollar signs
 
@GamesBrainiac We only have one server to setup.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmmm, well hope ruby works out for you ;)
x and xs are so very haskell-y :P
 
user1804599
I want a computer case made of marble and titanium.
 
on is great, btw.
 
Xeo
10:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why the join?
 
7 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Wait, it's a square.
join f = \x -> f x x
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apropos on. I was doing stuff like a &&& b >>> uncurry op at times, but I recently noticed that a <^(op)^> b does exactly that (and is extensible to n-ary functions with <$> and <*>).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What did you need rvm for, if I may ask?
 
@StackedCrooked Not sure I need it, really.
 
@StackedCrooked probably making a coliru clone :P
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
rvm, oh the horror.
 
user1804599
Last time I tried it it fucked up everything.
 
@GamesBrainiac good
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i really need to learn robot-lang
 
user1804599
Uh no.
 
user1804599
10:44 AM
it.
 
@Xeo I did tell you the wings are awesome.
 
Xeo
Applicative is awesome :P
(op . a) . b would be the same, though
but looks unclear
 
No, you're missing something.
 
Xeo
oh, wait, yeah
meh, op <$> a <*> b is clearer anyways.
 
pointfree tells me it's (. b) . op . a
Horrible.
 
10:54 AM
My 6 year old cousing is using scratch to make a couple of programs. They're just so cute :P
 
infant geeks - now multiplying ...
 
our numbers are growing.... muhahaha
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes It wouldn't be possible to make something like fTakes3 `over` a b c work, right?
 
That's always fTakes3 `over` (a b c)
 
Xeo
yeah, I guess
and even over takes3 a b c would have ambiguous instances with an Over type-class.
 
11:04 AM
Meh, who need triple argument functions.
 
Xeo
takes3 <$> a <*> b <*> c it is, then
 
You can always use liftA3.
 
Xeo
How that actually works is a bit mindboggling, though
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea, that I know
 
(The wings are liftA2, but wings)
 
@Nawaz I was finding that quote. Sadly, twitter UI confirmed it's fail
@Nawaz this one is relevant though:
New blog post! Universal references and the copy constructor. http://ericniebler.com/2013/08/07/universal-references-and-the-copy-constructo/
From the weblink:
> What happens next is truly bizarre. The compiler, after generating a constructor to use, then decides not to use it. Say what?! That’s right. Overload resolution now kicks in
phoronix.com is a great resource. But I can't seem to shake the association with 'moronics'
 
11:20 AM
Moronics, a new religion, a new race. We shall prevail!
 
moronics noun The branch of knowledge dealing with morons and their applications.
 
hey Vim folks, is anybody here using an Org-mode clone for Vim?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Americanology?
 
if so, can it be recommended? Is it easily usable without too much configuration?
 
@StackedCrooked SO is the temple?
 
11:24 AM
@KonradRudolph I think @Cat tried something like that once.
 
user784668
@KonradRudolph Frankly, I'd use Emacs with Evil.
 
@Fanael Too much re-learning overhead, sorry
but I appreciate the advice
 
It's a thing, but I don't use it.
If I wanted to make notes in plain text, I'd just use plain text, and not that thing
 
> "Dad, are you a lawyer?" "No, why do you ask?" "Because mommy said you get paid to argue with people, and that's what lawyers do." tinkertim on September 30, 2013 at 11:20 AM
 
What's so amazing about org-mode?
 
11:25 AM
@CatPlusPlus It’s not plain text though, quite the opposite
I want to use it for formatted documents
 
It's like that ledger's wiki page. "We use plain text because it is unstructured! Here's how you should structure your file"
@KonradRudolph We call that Markdown.
 
user784668
Fuck plain text.
 
user784668
Use XML.
 
user1804599
Plain text ftw.
 
@CatPlusPlus Markdown is ridiculously underpowered.
 
11:26 AM
@KonradRudolph what is it? for org-charts :|||] ?
 
I need rich, structured markup
 
user1804599
HTML5.
 
For what?
 
@not-rightfold Yeah, LaTeX kinda sucks too. And HTML5 is the worst for fluent editing.
 
@KonradRudolph There's a vim outliner that seemed to be quite popular. Search for vim outliner would be a good start
 
11:27 AM
Gonna have a look at that
 
user1804599
Develop your own tool.
 
Also how does org-mode do that
 
user1804599
OmniOutliner is nice too, but not free.
 
user1804599
And not Vim.
 
@sehe That actually looks good, but it doesn’t do what I want: compile to a PDF
@CatPlusPlus Org-mode integrates with backends for PDF production, does it not?
 
11:28 AM
Wait. WTF is org-mode
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Everything.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a part of Emacs, after all.
 
I thought it was just some organisational and planning crap.
 
@KonradRudolph Isn't there Zencoding or something? "In which you don't need to type any of the tags"
 
user1804599
Zencoding is cool.
 
user784668
11:29 AM
@sehe Emmet.
 
user1804599
I use it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's an embedded OS with 6 redundant backdoors for the NSA
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It’s an edit mode for Emacs which makes uses a very simple markup with clever key bindings to let you edit a rich text document
 
user1804599
But the result is still HTML. :P
 
@not-rightfold That's bad
 
user784668
11:29 AM
@not-rightfold Then stop and use Emmet.
 
user1804599
Haml is HTML without closing tags but still verbose.
 
user1804599
@Fanael Whatever same thing. The plug-in is called vim-emmet.
 
user1804599
And because it’s written by a fool, I had to patch it to use single quotes for attributes.
 
@sehe Sure, that’s nice if you want to edit HTML5. Not so nice if you want to edit rich text and really don’t care about the backend format
 
And how is org-mode more powerful than Markdown, again
 
user784668
11:30 AM
@CatPlusPlus It's Turing-complete.
 
@not-rightfold Yea, but whats the alternative? Jade. I really don't like it. I like html just fine, and you can write it quickly with emmet.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Haml.
 
Oh it does embedded LaTeX
Killer feature
 
user1804599
Haml is nicer because fuck closing tags.
 
@KonradRudolph meh. I was just thinking along. In the spirit of this room: a slightly chaotic but always sympathetic echo-chamber
 
user784668
11:31 AM
And I'm not kidding. It really is Turing-complete.
 
@sehe Yes, and I definitely appreciate it
 
@not-rightfold yea, but closing tags don't bother me much.
 
:)
 
user1804599
Best would be type-safe DSL in decent language that enforces correct HTML at compile-time.
 
So, macroes and LaTeX. Yeah I'm totally sold
 
user1804599
11:33 AM
Just use Word.
 
Word Up
 
I do. Fuck LaTeX tables.
 
user784668
Also LaTeX sucks.
 
I did one document with lots of tables.
I don't want to do another.
 
@Fanael Agreed.
 
11:33 AM
This shit's broken.
 
Well, back to LaTeX then. Sigh.
 
user784668
LaTeX is awesome if you're a moron or a masochist or both.
 
But I love specifying widths in centimetres!
 
user784668
Meh.
 
user784668
Planck lengths are better.
 
11:36 AM
Inches. I'm bad with numbers > 10
 
user784668
@sehe Parsecs, then?
 
user1804599
Sea miles.
 
Light centuries
 
user784668
Visible universe diameters.
 
user1804599
Ångströms.
 
user784668
11:37 AM
All numbers will be smaller than 1!
 
@Fanael I was just about to say that
 
user784668
Unless you want to specify the diameter of the visible part of the universe, in which case it'll be 1.
 
user1804599
The visible part of the universe for me is my computer screen, part of my desk, part of my wall and part of my keyboard.
 
user1804599
And part of my arms.
 
Who's Radek Slupik?
 
user1804599
11:39 AM
I am.
 
user784668
@GamesBrainiac An idiot.
 
user1804599
Fuck you.
 
@Fanael Ahh makes sense.
 
user784668
@not-rightfold Oh, sorry, I confused you with Bartek.
8
 
@Fanael hahahahhaa
 
user1804599
11:40 AM
@Fanael That’s an even worse insult.
 
user784668
@not-rightfold I know okay
 
user1804599
Fuck you. :(
 
@not-rightfold awww
 
JBL
Slupik is a cool name
 
@JBL It sounds like slushy
 
user784668
11:41 AM
@not-rightfold You're not a 20 yo hot blonde, so, no.
 
user1804599
I am.
 
@not-rightfold I think he meant female hot blond
 
user1804599
Me too.
 
I feel so sick today, I need hot cocoa
 
omg I just wateched BB finale , its freaking awesome !!!!!!
 
11:49 AM
@A.H. Aww, don't say anything about it!!
No spoilers!
 
Don't worry I wouldn't do that to anyone !
 
I was deliberately avoiding the internet today, to avoid spoilers
 
@willj you failed, it seems
 
and as soon as I join the chat, that's the first thing I see
stackoverflow isn't the internet, it's special
 
@A.H. Big Brother?
 
11:51 AM
usually there aren't questions about Breaking Bad
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes big brother is finally over? yay!
 
I discovered a new template trick, surely it must be useful for something: stackoverflow.com/a/19084609/1690864
 
@sehe I notice a lot of the formatting changes you made where removing the new lines after sentences... I added those to avoid needlessly long lines whilst editing, and they are not rendered as new lines. You need an empty line for markdown to render two paragraphs. Any chance you could tweak your PR to not have those changes? Easy to read the differences then.
 
Xeo
@willj Tag-structs, whee
 
@Xeo compile-time constant (pointer) values that map to types
 
user784668
11:54 AM
@willj I actually needed something like this recently.
 
Ok, here is a generic programming question: if((a!=null) && (a==b)) would it be under any circumstance (a==b) is executed before (a!=null) ... by that I mean in any language etc
 
"in any language"?
Yes.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 yes, cosh++, exactly like C++, but where the right hand side of && is evaluated first.
 
No.
Both.
None.
 
user784668
@Telkitty猫咪咪 C++.
 
11:55 AM
All three.
 
Arrite guys, say you've finished Learn You A Haskell. Whats next?
 
user784668
If && is overloaded.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 In hebrew it would be read from right to left..
 
user784668
@GamesBrainiac rm "$(which gcc)"
 
@GamesBrainiac actually learn Haskell
 
11:56 AM
@willj That only applies to actual Hebrew scripts, no?
Latin script text is still read left-to-right AFAIK.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess embedded quotes are left to right
 
@willj yes... but C++ still (by default) will evaluate left to right
 
@Fanael eh?
 
guys, I want to print a Unicode soccerbal (U+26BD) to screen on Coliru, but I'm getting little squares with question marks
 
@thecoshman The question was "in any language". The only correct answer is all the five I gave.
 
user784668
11:58 AM
@GamesBrainiac You know the basics of Haskell, you don't need stinky GCC no more.
 
@TemplateRex Bad font.
 
@Fanael long live GCC
 
@Fanael lol.
 
@thecoshman I'd just review them side by side (which is what I did). The PR is... merely the "boring transport" :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what? hardly, it is either r2l in at least one language or it is l2r in every language ever.
 
12:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm in Chrome, so I selected Consolas as fixed-width font
 
@thecoshman Wanna put money on it?
 
user784668
I'm gonna make a language called "any" where && is evaluated from the center outwards.
 
@thecoshman paste.ubuntu.com/6175302 <-- here, another boring transport :/
 
@sehe hmmm... GH has the changes inline... how can I view them side by side?
 
@TemplateRex First, Chrome is bad at font fallbacks so it won't pick from a different font if the selected one doesn't have a glyph. Then, I'm not aware that Consolas has a glyph for U+26BD.
This is what I get here.
 
12:02 PM
@thecoshman branch, pull, editor, sidebyside
 
It appears I don't have a font for that either.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would like to know how you think that can be simultaneously true that that statement is executed r2l in at least one languages and is never ever execute r2l in any language ever.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It works fine on my xterms at home, but I hate it when I can't test some stuff online :-)
 
@sehe defeats the idea of a PR really if I have to pull it to review it
 
@thecoshman git remote add sehe --fetch git@github.com:sehe/thecoshman.github.com.git && git log -1 -p sehe/master | kompare -o - or similar
@thecoshman how do you think others do it? Who the f*ck puts up with crappy web UIs?
 
12:04 PM
@sehe or you could have just not changed got rid of those newlines ¬_¬
(still, thanks for the feed back)
 
@thecoshman You know, somehow I needed to be able to read it too. And, you failed to notice, I've added probably at least as many newlines instead.
 
@sehe grumble grumble I still have to be grateful grumble grumble
 
@thecoshman You do! But:
2 hours ago, by sehe
It's quite much, you just decide what you want to do with it (ignore it: fine).
 
^_^
 
12:07 PM
Clearly, what was missing here was a Manager class: stackoverflow.com/a/19082244/1690864
 
@melak47 Is it time for chrismas yet? Someone should tell Chrome that there's spare room at the top:
 
@sehe what spare room
 
user1804599
Use Firefox.
 
why? it does exactly the same thing as firefox with its tabs
 
@melak47 Firefox doesn't have a bunch of empty space above the tabs.
 
12:10 PM
yes it does
the title bar
 
user1804599
It does.
 
same as chrome
 
user1804599
Even in full-screen mode.
 
@melak47 It has a menu there.
 
user1804599
Menu is, as always, at the top of the screen. vOv
 
12:10 PM
An estimated 700 icons could have been housed there
 
The weird thing is, Chrome used to not waste that space.
 
@sehe That space is there so you can see the pretty transparent window feature
 
@melak47 Well, does that change anything? It's still a waste of space. Especially since all the rest is minimalist and crammed
 
user784668
Is <br></br> legal in HTML5?
 
@willj Oooh yeah. Sponsoring global warming while you browse!
@Fanael Why would it not be?
 
12:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bingo! Segou UI Symbol works, tnx a bunch
 
@sehe It's also nice to have something to click on when you want to move the window around the screen.
 
user1804599
Firefox has empty space above tabs too.
 
user1804599
 
@willj Proper window management doesn't require you to click on a 'magic' handle. Just, grab the window.
 
idk what you want
 
Xeo
12:13 PM
the fuck
Oh wait, not full screen
 
user1804599
@sehe Just hit the keyboard shortcut to move it to the other side of the window next to it!
 
@not-rightfold Could have just closed those tabs. C-S-t, C-S-t bring them back (IIRC)
@not-rightfold Or that
 
like I said, they do exactly the same thing with their tabs. when maximized, they go all the way to the top.
 
@sehe I'm not sure that the OS supports 'proper window management' ;)
 
@melak47 I certainly didn't order any comparisons to any other random browsers. Who decided that's remotely relevant. I was clearly joking about the multitude of rainbow-coloured icons there. And then.... eerie spacey zone of nothingness on top of all that m...
@willj AltDrag helps a bit, but yeah, it's still broken.
 
user1804599
12:15 PM
IE 10 ftw.
 
@sehe Safer to just detach them.
 
JBL
I want to create a rendering engine working with both DX and OGL.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or that
 
user784668
@sehe But why would it be?
 
@sehe not full screen, so you get more wasted space... but who doesn't use full screen?
 
12:15 PM
@sehe blue, red and gray. what a rainbow! :p
 
Or, this being Firefox, use that weird tab groups thing.
 
@sehe what does this mean?
 
@melak47 Look at the whole picture, it's quite the array, don't you think. Anyways, it wasn't just about that. And I was clearly joking.
I mean, who mention Christmas and doesn't mean a joke
 
Santa!
 
@thecoshman What does but also a 'cache lifetime' mean?
Hint: if you have to 'quote' it, maybe you need better words
 
12:18 PM
@sehe oh I see what you mean now
 
:)
I'm happy that you're still reading it all. I realize that this is bound to take you as long as it took me.
 
@sehe I did have a meeting and lunch before I started looking at your comments though :P
but yeah, its nice feedback
Think I best do some actual work for now though :P
@sehe will you be ok giving it another quick look over once I have finished working on your feedback?
 
I guess. Just don't edit any spurious line endings (kidding! I don't care about those)
 
@sehe wasn't planning on actually accepting your PR... just looking at what edits you made and updating my own version...
 
    tasks.emplace_back(std::foreword<U>(u));
I should be awake by now.
 
Xeo
12:27 PM
lol
at least you didn't write std::foreplay
 
@thecoshman huh. you must have made a mental leap that i'm unable to follow. the PR is just the transport, remember.
How is it that I use tools in the ways I see fit and I think it's perfectly normal, and often people stand by in shock, as if "you can't do that!!!". Well, surprise! I just did!
 
@sehe hint: I am not that smart with git yet, taking some changes but not others is beyound me :P
 
@Xeo lol
@thecoshman That's not a git skill, IMO. It's a diff editing skill.
 
for those who want a link to the finale
 
@sehe where you expecting me to just take the diff file? and work from that?
 
12:32 PM
@thecoshman nope. although you could, and reconstruct the 'other' version with patch. But that's masochism. Then the pastebin is more convenient. I'd put them side by side in vimdiff and happily edit both sides until I know I've seen each spot and decided (that's the code-routine, by the way; I'd probably be more pragmatic with prose, but habits are habits)
 
Some of the connections LinkedIn suggests are downright spooky
 
JBL
LinkedIn sucks.
 
@KonradRudolph This has been noted. But why? A lot of 12-year olds?
 
I used to think LinkIn was a serious website, but they are just spammers.
 
@sehe No, but people I have no direct connection with via LI, but who I know from completely different channels, that LI shouldn’t know about – e.g. this chat
 
12:36 PM
@KonradRudolph Oh this golden. You can't possibly get anything nearly as spooky as this then:
ROFL
@StackedCrooked They're serious spammers
 
@StackedCrooked Thats why I never made an account there. SO careers works just fine for me.
 
I haven't yet seen spooky results. But that's probably because I don't fb, G+, reddit, etc. I do, however, tweet. But I categorically refuse to "synchronize" contacts anywhere. (Well, google knows my contacts, that's one of the reasons I'm not G+-ing)
 
12:54 PM
Is async still on the deprecation track?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hu? when did it get there?
 
@ArneMertz Well, it sorta sucks.
It got there in the latest meeting.
 

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