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user1804599
8:00 PM
@sehe Write software that finds a cure for any kind of cancer.
 
user1804599
@sehe loljs
 
@sehe TopCoder uses an overall ranking system for a similar measure. From my experience, a TopCoder competitor tends to use the same language in most competitions.
@sehe TC doesn't offer knowledge questions, though, just story problems that require a coded solution in any of the supported languages.
@sehe TC also creates production-level software as part of their competition model.
 
^ that's the similar part then
@MonadNewb hmm?
 
@sehe TC actually makes applications and component packages in some of the competitions.
@sehe It looks like they also produce other digital assets, such as logos and button icons. (Maybe more than just images...I haven't looked closely at that portion of their business model.
 
@MonadNewb I tried signing up for TopCoder once, some year(s) back. It was too hard for me to figure out how the darn site worked. I never saw any real assignment.
 
8:05 PM
@sehe The part you would probably be most interested in is the Algorithm Competition. You have to start the Competition Applet to load the practice problems. If you log in at the time of a scheduled event, you can register to compete.
 
user1804599
TIL: if you enter "x..y" in Google where x and y are integers, it will search for anything within that range.
 
@sehe Go to community.topcoder.com/tc and click on the "O(n)" icon near the top left...now that I look at it with your eyes, it isn't all that intuitive (although, there is another way to find the same link through the menu).
 
GIMME BACK MY EYES!
 
@sehe The event calendar is at community.topcoder.com/….
 
user1804599
8:07 PM
> Java could not be automatically detected on your machine.
 
user1804599
Chanceless website.
 
@sehe I'm keeping them!
 
user1804599
> UML Tool
 
@sehe If you sign up again, feel free to put Code-Guru as the referrer ;-)
 
@not-rightfold buy a better OS
@MonadNewb why would that matter?
 
user1804599
8:08 PM
Solaris?
 
@not-rightfold wait. You're on Solaris?
 
user1804599
No wtf.
 
That'd be totally awesome
Solaris is cool. (Sad story Oracle bought it)
 
user1804599
I'm on OS X, but even if I'd upgrade (i.e. switch to Gentoo), I'd still not install Java.
 
user1804599
I have USE_CRAP="-java" and USE="… $USE_CRAP …" on my VPS.
 
8:10 PM
@sehe TC has a referral program. If you win any money, I get a kick back ;-)
 
Trust me, I won't win any money. I'm lazy
 
@sehe Of course, if you still remember your username and password for your old account, I don't think you can add a reference to it ;-)
 
Hello beautiful! :)
It's Danyell.
Wanna meet sexy and intelligent woman? Yep, I'm talking about a date with me)
U look very attractive on shots and it is the reason why I write to u now. I'm sure you will like my shots just as like I liked urs)
Waiting for a reply! Maybe we could go somewhere for a drink later, who knows)) Maybe I'd invite you to have a drink at my flat;)
I think my email address got in a spam database.
 
No, really?
 
Ell
Hahaha
 
8:12 PM
 
Ell
Sorry, must have for the wrong address :P
 
^ I remembered
 
user1804599
I want to write code but I also want to sleep. :<
 
Ell
I meant to email @Scottw but got Etienne instead :/
 
"Dreaming In Code"
 
8:13 PM
@Ell Hi, "Danyell".
 
@sehe That's it ;-)
 
Ell
:o now you know my real identity
 
Let's vote for Torvalds. I'm sure he would make a fine CEO.
 
@MonadNewb Dammit. Having to manually increase font sizes on no less than 16 different settings on 6 different tabs. The thing is illegible
 
user1804599
I'm voting Stallman.
 
user1804599
8:16 PM
Ik ga slapen douches.
 
user1804599
Später!!!!!!
 
@MonadNewb Dammit it's butt ugly i.stack.imgur.com/CcRRH.png
 
What the hell is that
 
user1804599
@sehe What is that shit?
 
It's like 1999 all over again
 
8:20 PM
@sehe It's been a while since I participated. And the applet software is quite old...especially the graphics.
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@MonadNewb Also: enlighten me. If I choose "practice rooms" (sounds like a good place to start, no?) I'll have to blindly choose from Tournaments (hey, practice, remember?) "SRM"s, or "TCHs"? Subdivided in neat little submenus like 1-20, or perhaps I'm more in the mood for 141-160?
You know, it all becomes clearer when you click open the submenu: it's the challenge helpfully named "Inv 2001 REG Semi" :/
 
@sehe Isn't it clear? That's TC Invitational 2001 Semifinal (not sure what REG is)...
 
 
@sehe SRM = Single Round Match
 
8:26 PM
@sehe That looks old.
 
@MonadNewb Well, it's kinda easy to "guess" what information they are encoding there. However, my gripe is: the useful information they aren't encoding. You know, humans
 
@sehe TCHS = TopCoder High School (proabably easier problems than the SRM)
 
Brilliant. So I managed "get move-request-serviced" into a practice room. First up: Coding phase:
Wut?! Select one what?
 
@sehe yah, I see it's not really intuitive. I participated in some of their beta tests for the applet.
so it's kind of familiar to me...and nostalgic
 
@MonadNewb No wonder you've become the monster you are today
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8:29 PM
/gasp
 
lol
 
well, I'm on a school computer and it's not loading ;-(
or maybe it's just loading very slowly.
 
@MonadNewb It's basically a trainwreck UI, completely engineered to appeal to [wannabe] nerds (I'm thinking the script-kiddy genre here) who don't mind they're being kept a fool, because, when they find their way they'll feel so accomplished. It makes me feel like a slave or a trained monkey.
Just tell me what nice challenges I can do. I'll decide whether I'll take them, thank you.
 
@sehe sorry you feel that way ;-( I have to admit it's certainly not the best UI. Too bad they haven't updated in the past 15 years.
 
> System> sehe is opening the 250-point problem.
 
8:32 PM
If you can get past the UI, they do have a huge set of problems ranging in difficulty.
 
Ah. So, 250 was the descriptive title of the problem worth 250 points. Yay
 
you figured it out! here's a banana
 
I have a problem statement now. That is, after fiddling with the size controls for a good minute, so I can find out that there's actually text lurking in there
 
@MonadNewb What a bunch of lazy tools.
 
@sehe So, like Apple.
 
8:33 PM
@MonadNewb Sounds a bit like... what was it again... life? No... yes I remember: work!!! Yay
 
sizing probably hasn't been updated for large screen sizes ;-(
@sehe well, some of us enjoy solving coding problems in our spare time =p
 
I never understood the appeal of those automated online judge shit.
 
@CatPlusPlus No. Apple calls email email, right? TopCode would call it their No. 2 most-voted application in the category "DAF-SMR06" [*]
 
@CatPlusPlus TC competitions have both human and automated judging.
 
Undebuggable, underspecified, not very relevant to anything but the ~competition~ itself.
But woo you get imaginary internet points
 
8:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus says a 48k...
 
> [*] - that's [Desktop And Filing - Snail-mail Replacements] 06 being the database ID of the record generated when it first was assigned in 1996
 
DARFSNARF241924127401294
@MonadNewb SO rep is useless, but at least getting imaginary useless internet points involves helping people, as bad as they might be.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I hate that. I can't stand when it says "your solution failed 1/13 test: #7 failed" and you have no clue what the input/ouptut were
 
And it turns out that the reason was extra space at the end of output.
 
@sehe I'm pretty sure there's a way to see the input/output...I don't recall how off the top of my head. But hey, a trained monkey should be able to figure it out!
 
user1804599
8:37 PM
wtf
 
user1804599
There is "Salt & Caramel" Kit Kat.
 
Facebook has a nice set of interview problems, and they accept a much wider array of languages than TC
 
@MonadNewb I was referring to codingames there because I have zarroo experience with any other online challenges/judge system
@not-rightfold Kit Kat Jizz?
 
100% of those I've seen has that crap.
 
@sehe ahh...my bad...didn't make the context switch
 
user1804599
8:38 PM
@sehe Jizz Kit Kat wouldn't surprise me.
 
well, time for me to log. TTYL
 
user1804599
Oh there's also Bubblegum Kit Kat.
 
user1804599
And Vinegar Kit Kat.
 
user1804599
Who eats that shit. Even normal Kit Kats are barely edible.
 
Because whenever I think chocolate and wafers, I think "man I wish those tasted like vinegar"
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
Screw chocolate.
 
What do you prefer instead?
 
user1804599
Something with flavour, like varkenshaas (fuck English).
 
user1804599
Or brie.
 
user1804599
Or a good salad.
 
@not-rightfold Woot
 
user1804599
8:42 PM
@sehe Das lekker jonge.
 
inb4 ketchup-flavored crisps
 
user1804599
Ge weet niet wat lekker is.
 
user1804599
@sehe Gadverdamme!
 
@not-rightfold Ge wit nie wa-of-da lekker es (FTFY)
@not-rightfold Afgekickt?
 
Now I feel like an ignorant American ;) (Only english)
 
8:43 PM
@jozefg Sorry. I guess.
 
I've accepted the fact that I'm culturally stunted, hurray for american high schools
Hm so apparently 0 = 1 is a legal haskell declaration, interesting
 
@jozefg Ça t'apprendras.
 
Oh gawd, the bilinguists, they're everywhere
 
Welcome to the real world, kid.
 
Did you mean: bilinguals.
I'd call you bad at English, but you already said you were American.
:v
 
8:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Haha, hey, at least I don't have a strong southern accent or something
 
Ell
Salads are not good alone
 
Sure they are. Just add meat.
 
Xeo
lol
Salads can be delicious
Even without meat
 
Ell
But need dressing
 
nah
creativity
 
9:00 PM
@Xeo Still. Meat.
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Xeo Of course.
 
Salsa on salads, yogurt on salad, cottage cheese on salad can work with the right salad type. Avocado as well, or even raw salads are nice
 
You can put all kinds of things in salads.
 
Whats with that gustafson on std-proposals?
 
Xeo
9:01 PM
Everything is wrong on the Asylum
 
20 yr old codebase with using namespace std in every file, and not fixed after 10 yrs of maintainance..
 
So, I was starting up this course today. I started up by trying to get everyone excited that we were going to build a full fledged Java IM system in the labs. 20 minutes into the intro lecture one guy tells me dude...
 
And even getting mad at the robot for telling him "you reap what you sow"
 
This is not Java, this is a C++ course.
Some laughs were had.
 
@sehe wat
long == int (maybe depending on compiler/system/stuff)
do it in C man
 
9:08 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf yawn
5 hours ago, by Eiyrioü von Kauyf
today my teacher told me int has a max range of 2^31. when i told him no that's a long int. i love professors <3
 
>> Why do you find it so? Is something wrong with things that have a
>> "single purpose"?
> Namespace pollution.
:laffo:
 
^ he might have been right. You, not so much
 
@sehe depends on compiler
long int != int always
 
Oi, watch where you're pointing that thing.
 
9:09 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf So, you can't say "no, that's a long int". End of story
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf That still doesn't make you right.
 
true it makes us both partially wrong imho
 
Also it depends on more than just a compiler.
 
it's not necessarily an int
what i was referring to however was the language specification (this is a custom language) that explicitly said "long int" which he seems to have not read. so general data we are possibly both wrong; in my case i am right
 
Your :smug: shot was a miss.
 
9:09 PM
It depends on a number of tools. Some of which are software tools
@EiyrioüvonKauyf ah. So now it's no longer about C? Ok.
 
@sehe it's a specialized subset of C made for "learning"
aka bs - it has gc and range checking and errors and poop
 
Academia... You gotta love the contraptions
@EiyrioüvonKauyf poop? That's new for me. I'm hooked
 
@sehe i love academia. i visited cornell; the professor was having problems putting in rows/columns in matlab
 
Hilarious mercedes spoof
 
9:12 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf you are mixing your signals up quite badly
 
?
my signals? SIGTERM?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have no idea how you can post on std-p and not tear everyone to shreds.
 
"I love academia" - "here's why I hate it"
 
@sehe that was sarcasm. i really don't like academia as a cohesive body; but i do like learning things
 
@CatPlusPlus Fatigue?
 
9:13 PM
Not enough guns?
 
They should add downvoting to std-p
 
Yes, voting fixes every problem with quality.
 
@TemplateRex That's bad. But somewhat badly bad "bad"
@EiyrioüvonKauyf SIGILL
 
@sehe the merc's brakes?
 
Leave my sigils alone.
 
9:15 PM
You're not a perl hacker. Oh wait, he's a cat
Wooby
 
Guy calls nsa to restore some accidentally deleted emails
 
Funny, he doesn't look 12.
 
sigpill. also torrenting through a vm and then moving files via sftp T_T
 
"Sir, that's not what we do", lol
 
LOL
did you hear about that guy that called ebay or something 400 times
he got his house raided by swat :[
 
9:24 PM
youtube dot rmvb
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf huh?
 
All I got was
ASP.NET IN HINDI VIDEO TUTORIAL PART(1).rmvb
not sure about that .
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf why have you been gone for so long? I heard you became president of Malawi. Congrats.
 
> Here is reality: The game doesn't look as good as it does on the PC and the GAME itself is a sophomoric piece of garbage. The story is worthless. That didn't change, and that's whats important, not the connection or AH.
I wasn't aware people played Diablo 3 for the plot.
Or maybe I'm reading it wrong.
 
9:32 PM
I watched cutscenes on YT, and no longer feel the need to buy the game ever. Does that count?
Though that might be more about Blizzard making pretty good cutscenes.
 
I watched D II over the shoulder of somebody playing it. I no longer feel the need to buy it. I think that counts.
 
@CatPlusPlus They make incredible cutscenes.
 
It's okay to play through once.
 
And have done so since WarCraft 2.
 
It gets extremely repetitive fast.
And multiplayer was just a giant grindfest.
 
9:34 PM
I got loads of fun playing D3 up until Inferno, where the grinding became really apparent.
I mean, sure, it was a grindfest before then, but it wasn't that annoying.
 
But then again so is WoW, and I bet D3 too.
Especially with that Auction House thingy.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The problem with Inferno, I found, is that that was when you really HAD to start buying gear off the AH to progress.
 
@DeadMG Yep.
Same issue here.
 
I had bucketloads of fun playing Normal, Nightmare, and the start of Hell.
I actually had major fun on Nightmare
we were fighting Diablo and couldn't kill him for shit.
 
What do you mean item hunting is not fun?!!?
 
9:39 PM
eventually we respecced to stunlock him.
 
I'd classify D3 as "above average": it's a good game, which unfortunately had huge shoes to fill.
 
nah
 
I never liked the difficulty levels.
 
It's also one of the few games that I say is worth the 60$.
 
I'd only agree with you if playing pre-Inferno was of substantial length.
which it wasn't
 
9:40 PM
@DeadMG Took me about 60 hours.
 
A second playthrough should be more substantial than just bigger numbers on shit.
 
wow, you're slow.
 
Which is incredible for a modern AAA title.
 
Hi.
 
besides
the other core issue about D3 is gold inflation.
if you stop playing for more than a couple weeks, your gold is worthless.
people bitch about the RMAH but fact is, it's the Gold auction house which ruined Diablo 3.
I mean
if WoW was free to play, I would play it
 
9:42 PM
free to play is just a guise for pay to win
 
It's free up to some level.
 
@Rapptz No.
That's a myth.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, a trivial level that's only a couple hours of gameplay
@Rapptz Depends on the game.
 
@DeadMG Of the ones I've played they are.
 
Ell
WoW is free to play till lvl 30? Isn't it?
 
9:43 PM
@Ell 20, I think.
 
I think LoL, DotA2 and TF2 don't have that aspect.
 
Ell
I didn't like it when I played
 
PvE in WoW isn't particularly interesting, and PvP is largely meaningless.
 
But those aren't MMOs.
 
but given the pace of levelling in WoW, that's not good for more than a few hours.
and also
1-15 is no instances and the classes haven't developed enough to offer substantial gameplay differences.
 
Ell
9:44 PM
Too much action :P I prefer leveling on rs
 
so basically, it's completely unlike normal WoW gameplay.
 
Pay-to-win is a self-destructive business model that is only viable in the short term.
And because nobody in this industry learns from the mistakes of others, it still exists.
 
Live short die rich
 
Ell
Die.
 
And anyway, the whole "pay to win" concept can only really be applied to competitive games.
Or, rather, it is much more dangerous for those.
 
9:45 PM
Yes, because MMOs don't have a competitive aspect at all.
 
yeah
 
@Rapptz I wonder where I've said that.
Oh, wait, I didn't.
 
it's hard to imagine World of Warcraft being pay to win, because who exactly am I paying to win over?
 
IMAGINARY INTERNET POINTS ARE IMPORTANT
 
@EtiennedeMartel I wonder where I said you said that.
 
9:46 PM
It's quite annoying to get all these chests after finishing a DotA 2 match that I have to pay for to unlock
 
@Rapptz Oh, I see, then I guess your use of the word "competitive" is coincidental then.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun TF2 does the same garbage
 
It's "pay to suck" model.
Because you have to be a sucker.
 
@CatPlusPlus They are not imaginary, they are real numbers belonging to N most of the time.
 
Ell
Imaginary or not, points are important!
 
9:47 PM
Fuck MMOs.
2
 
Xeo
@CaptainGiraffe April's Fool idea: add a little i to the end of any such numbers.
 
GW2 and EVE are two I'd call okay, the rest is just waste of time.
 
Woot. EricLippert just edited my answer that linked to his blog stackoverflow.com/posts/5770472/revisions
 
@Ell Points don't matter. Everything is made up.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's pretty hard to make a good one tbh.
 
9:49 PM
@Rapptz Yes.
Undeniably.
Doesn't stop everyone from trying and failing.
 
Xeo
> cartesion
heh
 
There are a lot of MMOs that could be better if it didn't have the pay-to-win thing or power creeping or endless grinding.
 
MMOs are practically the embodiment of what's wrong with AAA games.
 
@Xeo Yeah. Clearly an oversight. Makes one look rather dumb, innit
 
they're too big, too expensive, people don't learn from their mistakes
 
9:51 PM
@sehe Mistakes are made. arnt they?
 
Of course. Just, be careful in what context you commit them :/
 
@Rapptz I liked old school UO.. Magic weapons provided minimal edge and were easily lost.
@sehe And if you make the same ones again and again. They're only useful when learned from.
 
Xeo
> As is_const<T>::value is static I don't see much of a point in instantiating is_const, and if you do you are stepping out of the TMP realm anyway.
Ugh
Somebody never heard of tag-dispatching
> I hope that this type of arrogance is not too widespread in the C++ standards committee. I'm sure that there are lots of major code bases out there which do using namespace std. I would say that as long as you stick to lower case names it is not so much of a problem
Oh gawd, all the suckage
 
@Xeo Link?
 
9:54 PM
I still like the namespace pollution one the best.
SRP is namespace pollution, you heard it here first folks.
Also it is vital that C++ caters to my shitty, legacy codebase written by brainless morons.
Disregard that going by that logic nothing could ever be added to std.
 
> Are you referring to variable templates here (which would get rid of the
> trailing() needed for constexpr function implementation?). Either way I
> don't understand your point, aren't we discussing new C++14 features here?
> If so they should be able to use other C++14 features.
Wtf
How did he get variable templates from is_const<MyType>
 
Xeo
who knows
can somebody just shoot that guy?
 
This is the worst proposal on std-proposals in a long time
 
Xeo
There's also his ponderings about typename
 
Every day brings new bad ideas.
 
9:59 PM
lol he actually brought up his legacy code
 
I know, I've read that thread.
 

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