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1:00 PM
It does not look like an attempt to answer the question, the only relationship between the two are the words "windows 8" and "install". I can't say what the user was trying to do. I can say that the answer does not attempt to answer the question. Describing how to "Install windows 8 professional" does not attempt to answer how to "install a windows 8 app without submitting it to the store". The answer does not attempt to answer the question. — axrwkr 19 mins ago
Love the way it fills a 4 lines comments with the same phrase repeated over and over again in different forms.
 
sup fellers.
how long would it take to write a basic HTTP program?
 
an HTTP program?
 
send a request and receive data, more or less
 
about 5 minutes if you use a library
 
because what you asked was more or less akin to I want to write a Spanish program
 
1:06 PM
@Rapptz I am writing it to learn it.
 
if you want to write a basic program that can make a request for a file via HTTP, it shouldn't take that long. Making it safe to use however is both a much harder challenge are redundant.
 
Which level is it? Transport?
 
hint: the only valid use case for the seven layer model is talking about the seven layer model
 
yeah that was actually my next question -- what is the point of the 5 layer and the 7 layer model? How are they different?
 
those layer models are academic nonsense.
the only thing you really need to know is that well designed software has clear scope.
tcp/ip is concerned only with getting data from a to b, it cares not what that data is. You application that wants to send data just wants to send data from a to b, it cares not about how it gets there.
well designed software is modular, allowing you swap out parts with out impacting others.
 
1:12 PM
Do you ever write stuff on lower levels? Because it seems like, for web development especially, you wouldn't be TOO concerned with anything below application or transport, right?
 
what do you mean exactly? for designing a web site, no, you don't care how your site gets to clients, you hardly even care what your server is.
@Crowz and btw, HTTP is considered application layer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Say, have you thought about operator== for your sequences?
 
Okay. But what about if you wanted an application in UDP? Does that change things?
 
no, that is the idea behind the layers
in theory, HTTP does not care if your print out your request and send it via rockets
(in practice your browser would probably time out)
This might be worth reading over
you should try to get your head around the importance of this idea of layering technologies. It is important to more then just web browsers
 
ooh okay I see UDP and TCP are both transport layer
 
1:25 PM
if you like, think of TCP/UDP as cars/trains and your application is the postal service. As a user of the postal service, you do not care if cars or trains are used, just as long as your mail is delivered
what did you think that where? :P
you think so?
I could extend it further down :P
the analogy gets harder though XD
and if I get real angry with it, I might have to ram... o_0 I think I'm taking this a very bad direction
 
"and on the physical layer, you don't care what kind of engine the trains are using..."
 
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A: When is an answer not an answer?

Lightness Races in Orbit"Not an answer" does not mean "a bad answer", or "not quite an answer to this question, as it turns out". It means "not an answer". That is, not an answer at all. The answer is certainly an answer; in this instance, it's a bad answer that misses the mark and, as such, you should downvote it and...

physical layer is rail tracks.
transport layer is a train.
application layer is walking up and down a train.
AJAX is tweeting "i'm walking up and down a train!" on a train, when in fact you are doing no such thing...
PHP is painting the inside of the train pink.
C++ is blowing the train up.
Perl is designing your own train from scratch.
VB.NET is taking the bus.
Java is taking a rickshaw.
 
well, it would probably be more like erm...
bah, analogies
 
Stack Overflow is asking the on-board ticket salesman for directions to the nearest toilet.
Experts Exchange is offering a monetary tip to the on-board ticket salesman, in exchange for pushing you off the train.
CatPlusPlus is the nasty, metallic, screeching noise made by the train as it brakes to pull into the station.
Zoidberg is half a train.
Martinho is a fully automated train.
 
"... which is a threaded object (runs in separate thread)..." ¬_¬ oh really, they have threads that run in separate threads these days
 
1:43 PM
std::thread { [] { std::thread { [] {} }.join(); } }.join(); now what?!
3
 
yiz
perl is walking, PHP is a manual scooter, Java is a train, C# is a bicycle, C++ is a car, C is like a rocket that very successful at crashing into earth and kill all of its passengers.
 
if C++ is a car then it is that half Alfa Romeo - Half Saab that James May drove Lemar around in in Top Gear. Y'know, the car with two steering wheels, one of which came off mid-turn.
 
How old is that reference?
 
me?
That must have been back in 2009 or so March 2007
so, admittedly, pre-C++11
 
That's funny, now I remember it, but I had forgotten about the two wheels. I'm still not sure what it was about tbh.
Did May ask for Lemar to steer when reversing at some point?
 
1:59 PM
I'll never understand Meta. You say something that gets down voted 7 times. Then someone else comes, says pretty much the same things. Gets only 1 upvote. It's amazing.
 
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@Jeffrey It depends on the weather.
 
@Jeffrey poor Jeffrey, I was just thinking that too. I think your verboseness worked against you here.
 
I'll post only when it's raining from now on...
Ever got an answer deleted by saying "No" to its existence? Well, I have. I'm such a badass.
 
LF> Screenshot
 
LF?
 
2:11 PM
Looking for
 
lol
 
user142019
 
user142019
^ Yum.
 
user142019
Me too.
 
2:17 PM
mee toooooooooooo
 
user142019
 
oh fucking fuck
damn this shit not working
grawrrasfasfadsfjaldsjf
 
yes fuck i am mad
I think I am doing everything right, yet still it's just not workign
 
@Mysticial so you bought new screens? :D
 
2:22 PM
@melak47 He cheated and mounted one on his fucking wall.
 
@ThePhD I'd do that if I wasn't so damn lazy
 
@ScottW And oh, are you bad~
 
@ScottW yeah want to take a look?
I would post it on SO but too much code I guess
 
Xeo
Yeah, let us debunk the myth that you are doing everything right. :P
 
okey
lemme
also wait
disclaimer
this was based on fucking MFC example
my attempts to rescue the code quality were futile
now, you were warned
 
2:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz shit (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
I guess I could upload you the whole setup
point is, the results appear completely random
no learning whatsoever.
 
don't care, still going to say it's shit :P
 
I know it's shit.
I just want to get it to work.
Then, maybe someday I will refactor it and make real use of it.
 
hint: didn't really look at the code in any significant detail
 
2:39 PM
I disagree with the opening of that
 
You mean this? "According to Darwin's evolution theory the best ones should survive and create new offspring."
 
yes
 
It's an oversimplification of it, if anything.
 
well true
 
Though you are right too
Evolution doesn't discriminate, it can pick shitty genes too.
 
2:42 PM
I just used 'methinks' and 'lest' in ordinary conversation. why
 
I wonder if part of the 'dna' of your 'versions' could include things about reproduction, such as how many children each version can have, how many generations the same version can breed new generations.
 
no
 
what do you mean 'no'?
 
It couldn't.
 
... why not?
well... probably not worth it
 
2:44 PM
aaaaaaaaah
 
At all.
 
oh my god I am so retarded.
 
You'll store a lot of information for no reason (not to mention it isn't how DNA would relatively work to begin with)
 
DNA is irrelevant
 
It assumes that conditions such as children you can breed don't depend on the woman
 
user142019
2:44 PM
In Learning Modern 3D Graphics Programming, the author has this fragment shader, but how does OpenGL know that outputColor is the color?
 
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#version 330

out vec4 outputColor;
void main()
{
   outputColor = vec4(1.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f);
}
 
@rightfold glBindFragDataLocation
 
but I do think that allowing a 'version' to survive multiple generations might not be a bad idea. Until it is beat by child generations is can keep it's presence in the 'gene pool'
 
@rightfold out attribute, plus what @BartekBanachewicz said.
 
@ThePhD not enough
 
2:45 PM
Before, when you used old fixed-function GL, you could do glFragColor = [Blah]
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Ah.
 
user142019
And that defaults to zero?
 
I think so, but I would check first
IIRC drivers do weird shit with fragment shader output
it's because backwards compatibility and fixed bindings and whatnot
 
user142019
You know, I should read.
 
user142019
> OpenGL recognizes that, in a lot of rendering, there is only one logical place for a fragment shader output to go: the current image being rendered to (in our case, the screen). Because of that, if you define only one output from a fragment shader, then this output value will automatically be written to the current destination image. It is possible to have multiple fragment shader outputs that go to multiple different destination images; this adds some complexity, similar to attribute indices.
 
2:48 PM
hmm... I think I might convert over the rest of my projects to git... and then make use of sub modules...
but at the same time, meh
 
you know what I fucked up?
I modified existing generation
instead of making copy
 
silly you
 
:3c
const is your friend.
 
uh not exactly
I mean it's not that obvious
in real life everything is smooth
there's no "now everyone die, and new people come up"
 
yeah... why don't you play with a system that does not have 'generations' that are all birthed and killed together
 
2:53 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You could implement that though
 
oh hi @kbok.
missed ya.
 
That would allow blending generation N with N+1
:) what's up?
 
@kbok I did that, sort of. But it only made everything unstable.
 
just have a pool of 'versions', allow the bad version to die of
 
@kbok Terra. Oh wait, that's the opposite direction.
 
2:54 PM
you need some sort of ranking system, looking at real animals and plants, they compete for the right to breed
 
my ranking is obvious
 
We don't have access to this chat at work, which is probably good for my productivity
 
perhaps don't let every version breed, but don't always kill them off because they didn't breed.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh?
 
2:55 PM
look up
I've already said, it'a traveling salesman
@kbok :(
 
and add some fuzziness to it, don't just breed the top two, then next top two etc.
 
It doesn't converge?
 
not yet. It's a bit better now, but still crappy
it can go steadily with performance, then suddenly drop
 
@BartekBanachewicz We all love when "Długość" is not displayed correctly, heh.
 
ahahah good luck with that :p
 
2:57 PM
perhaps you need to be killing them of or be allow less variance
 
@Griwes I am not the one who still believes in codepages
 
:D
 
@melak47 yeah
 
fuck it crashes on release
@kbok ...
 
@Mysticial nice setup :)
 
2:59 PM
lol
 
@melak47 It's actually slightly better now. Since I picked up a 27 in. yesterday to put in the middle.
 
o_o
 
@Mysticial 2560x1440? :3
 
@melak47 Nah, just 1080p.
 
Using a few different screens must suck
 
3:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz being so negative must suck
 
my right one has a slight tint and it's annoying as fuck
 
Not if you arrange them right.
 
@Mysticial you have quite a large spacing between them, right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz not anymore :)
 
Also, did you calibrate them with some hw?
@Mysticial oh :)
Crap. I don't think I will be able to get any better with this crap.
Either the algorithm sucks.
or I do.
I'll try with 0.5% mutation rate now.
 
3:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Now there's less than 1 in. clearance between the middle monitor and the TV on top.
 
yeah, genetic algorithems are fun
 
The monitor on the right maxes out the space between the middle monitor and the computer itself.
 
oh, make a genetic algorithm that tunes your genetic algorithm for solving TSP
 
@thecoshman I think that my mutations are too destructive
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you allowing a 100% random mix between two versions? such that in theory a child could be identical to a parent?
are you even doing two parents per child?
 
3:09 PM
@thecoshman yes. I also have only 85% chance of crossover, which means that both parents can just go unchanged
100% gene pass occurs in about 4% of crossovers
 
oh, so you taking two parents, and they just merge slightly with each other, then a wee bit of mutation?
 
it means that chromosomes divide at the very end or at the beginning
@thecoshman yes.
now the choice of parents is determined by their fitness
the better the parents, the more they breed
 
see, you also want to throw in some crazy mutations, but mix it with killing of really bad performers. If they are shit mutations, they will get killed off, if they are good, they might make the wild jump that non of your genepool currently have, but is too wild to slowly merge towards
 
yay. I've added ten more exhibits, and the results are now better
 
Hello everyone
 
3:15 PM
@rightfold lol @ macster
 
@BartekBanachewicz is 'exhibits' the name for each of the 'versions'
 
@BartekBanachewicz youre working with genetic algorithms?
(for fun or for work?)
 
@thecoshman I can upload a whole project if you want to test that yourself
@Borgleader neither. Uni. Though really it's more for fun
 
@BartekBanachewicz woah there nelly, that sounds like work :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cool :) What are you trying to optimize?
 
3:18 PM
@thecoshman that sounds like compiling and pressing a goddamn button :P
 
though I would't mind a look over it :P
 
@Borgleader TSP
 
@BartekBanachewicz hey, tl;dr is like a life motto
 
@BartekBanachewicz Traveling salesman?
 
@Borgleader yep
 
3:20 PM
oh cool
 
@Borgleader well i dunno
it works rather poorly atm
 
i had considered using genetic algorithms to find an optimal build for a sc:bw bot
but in the end i went for machine learning and it failed horribly, mostly because we didnt give it enough time to learn
damn thing kept building turrets all over the fucking place
I might try again now that the new version of BWAPI is out
 
I don't know what's wrong with mine
it reaches the point that's very good
and then it fuckups to hell
 
@BartekBanachewicz FUBAR
 
wow it just scored under 14 meters
too bad it fucked up again
fuck it, enough.
 
3:40 PM
gentoo on ppc7450 is taking about 15 minutes to build vim
once I have emacs I will have an OS
 
user142019
fuck
 
user142019
I'm going to die.
 
@rightfold everyone is
 
I plan to inhabit Google+Future, where all live inside G+
 
Xeo
Fammit, my firefox is bugged out again. -.-
 
user142019
3:44 PM
Let's get retarded.
 
user142019
In two months I can finally go work again.
 
user142019
TILL I DIE
 
I'm derping today.
 
user142019
I'm derping every day.
 
user142019
I lost touch with reality.
 
3:49 PM
Yea, I know that feel.
 
@rightfold “I think it’s very healthy to spend time alone. You need to know how to be alone and not be defined by another person.” ~Oscar Wilde
One of my favorites.
 
user142019
No, it's not healthy.
 
user142019
It's boring and bad for you.
 
user142019
When I had a job I talked to people and I worked with people.
 
I wish I didn't have to go to work in the last two months instead :)
 
3:50 PM
 
user142019
And now I'm alone most of the time since I rarely have class and I live in a village where I don't have any friends.
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
@rightfold Don't you feel free? :D
 
user142019
No.
 
user142019
Not at all.
 
3:51 PM
Newb.
 
user142019
If I were free I would have a job right now.
 
@rightfold Now I know how that feels too. <3
 
@rightfold It's boring only if you are boring. Never get bored with myself in my entire life. I pretty much get bored 70% time I'm with someone else.
 
@Jeffrey Same here.
 
I would burn all universities ever.
 
3:52 PM
lolwat
why?
 
user142019
If you are alone for months except for the parts where you eat diner with your parents and the five or six hours you go to school each week you will get bored, believe me.
 
@Borgleader because the concept is totally borked
 
yiz
I jog 50 mins every second day, how can I not be fit
 
@yiz do you eat at mcdonalds on a regular basis?
 
I have a degree in almost physics and I can say I learned a million times more in physics classes then in CS classes.
 
yiz
3:53 PM
but the truth is that I might not be ultra fit and this is annoying
 
user142019
My mentor called diploma society "silly". :P
 
@yiz hint: nobody gives a fuck
 
@Mikhail in "almost physics"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm there is some truth in that, I've gotta admit but I think connecting various subjects is the most important thing.
 
yiz
@Borgleader no I don't, with that said I do like food and occasionally dine at fast food restaurants
 
3:54 PM
@Borgleader Physics minor and electrical electrophysics background...Technical EE degree..
 
Connecting stuff that looks unconnectable.
 
@Tuntuni i fail to see the importance
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then it won't be boring.
 
I am not saying it's boring
Zoidberg is bored
I am dead angry.
 
So you just think it is bad?
 
3:55 PM
@Mikhail huh, I'm almost done with my degree in Soft Eng :)
 
user142019
I am bored to death.
 
@Tuntuni yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, then.. true dat.
 
@Borgleader go have fun in SF.
 
user142019
I'd rather die but that would be sad towards my parents.
 
3:56 PM
@Mikhail San Francisco?
 
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@Borgleader Server Fault
 
^^ woah... last time I saw that was... < 100
 
yiz
you should consider camping, hiking, ocean swims and the like
 
If I ever designed an uni
it would have no compulsory subjects
 
3:56 PM
@Borgleader yes, with all my beautiful friends who data munge for a 6 figure salary
 
and no pressure
 
yiz
I am annoyed
 
@Mikhail Most of the techies are down in silicon valley.
 
yiz
how can I be ultra fit, I need to be ultra fit in the near future
 
like, you can focus on one project, or lick more various things
 
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3:57 PM
If I designed an uni it would treat each student as an individual.
 
Although a lot of them live in SF because they can't afford to live any further south.
 
@Mikhail a) I want to go in the vido games industry b) I probably wouldn't move to the states (im canadian) unless it was for blizzard or valve
@Mysticial inronically? SF aint cheap either
 
@Borgleader Canada is America without rich people, come to the US
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wish that existed. :(
 
@Mikhail lol
 
3:58 PM
@Mikhail s/rich people/guns/
 
user142019
Don't work for Blizzard. Work for me. I need money.
 
yiz
if you don't have rich people, why do you need guns, there is no one to rob :p
 
we have rich people, we just dont have guns
or at least not nearly as many as in the US
 
Xeo
Oh sweet, new Toaru Novel has been out for 10 days and it's already half-translated.
 
user142019
We have rich people and me.
 
3:59 PM
Haven't you people seen R-Kelley's Trapped in the Closet rap opera? People need guns because its dangerous.
 

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