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20:02
template the girls?
@EtiennedeMartel I am pretty sure it was only one. Someone offered to pay me a beer if I managed to pronounce "sju" ("seven" in Swedish).
@kbok The police didn't get it either. He wanted to have a generic interface for every type of girl and not have to duplicate his previous efforts. :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... is that /sju/?
I wouldn't want a generic girl interface, that sounds boring
Well, looks like Qt isn't that multiplatform after all
20:08
@Cheiron what?
What's a Qt-like lok? :P
@LucDanton No. It's something like /ɧyː/ (not totally sure about the vowel, but it's somewhere in the high front area). The consonant is messed up.
I wrote all my code on Linux, no errors, no warnings and with Windows/MSVC2010 compilers I get 12 issues and some warnings.
The International Phonetic Association describes the Sj-sound as a "simultaneous and ", but this claim is disputed among phoneticians, including at least one former president of the IPA. Other descriptive labels include voiceless palatal-velar fricative, voiceless dorso-palatal velar fricative, voiceless postalveolar and velar fricative, or voiceless coarticulated velar and palatoalveolar fricative. The closest English phoneme is ⟨sh⟩. In Swedish phonology, the sj-sound () is a voiceless fricative phoneme found in most dialects. It has a variety of realisations, whose precise phonetic ...
like she but sho imo
20:09
@Cheiron why are you using MSVC 2010? :/
@BartekBanachewicz Because I could not get the MinGW compilers to work
@Cheiron what
I'm trying (tried?) to compile this for someone.
Talk about horrible errors.
Configuring QTcreator with MinGW is totally easy
I launched QTC for the first time today and it took me like 5 minutes
and worked at first try
I went from 537 to 599 to 285 errors.
20:11
@BartekBanachewicz I know I fucked something up, but I just coulnd't figure out what. So eventually I just picked the MSVC2010 version
Took me some time to configure that one
And the MSVC2010 compiler throws a lot more warnings
noobs these days
"i took 15 minutes and it didn't work so I gave up"
O gee, thanks for the support.
It took quite a lot longer, thank you ver much.
Spoiler alert: Some people have a hard time with things you find easy.
20:15
And vice versa.
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So, tomorrow I have a statistics exam.
You'll probably be in the upper 10%, ZING.
Youre gonna rock it.
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I'll score 0/10.
You are just in denial.
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20:17
It's about uninteresting bullshit like normal distributions.
You are the man
And you know it.
Wel hello there @ScottW
Offcourse. But only if you pay. And no bitching about it, you pay.
So, tomorrow at ten?
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@Cheiron You're off course?
@Zoidberg stats is the easiest thing to unlearn ime
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@JohanLarsson MySQL's quirks.
Ell
Ell
hi
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20:21
hi
@Zoidberg Never were anywhere near course.
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(Shameless repost. Do I feel bad for it? No.)
1>Build succeeded.
1>
1>Time Elapsed 00:00:41.45
========== Build: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
whoo.
How many warnings?
20:24
0
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You always get 0 warnings.
It had 600 errors though.
user142019
Warnings don't exist in the world of -Werror.
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Though C++ is more like -Terror generally.
3
Hm, thats one way of doing it
Whenever I compile an opensource project, I always see loads of warnings. Mostly about unused variables.
Bothers me everytime
If I write code, I want zero errors.
20:27
Well it's not my code, it's some shitty open source project that uses MFC from 1998.
Someone wanted to update it for Windows 7 so I tried to do that :S
Loads of fun!
@Rapptz: It builds. Now, does it really work? :)
41 seconds for a build? Seems like a pretty long time
I'm not a farmer.
Really? Well if it is small
20:30
It's something that takes in a job file or something and simulates a farm to see how cotton would grow under the irrigation and weather conditions. :S
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@Crowz it's pretty fast for a C++ program.
But I have seen opensource projects compile for 90 minutes
@Cheiron Many opensource projects took off before those warnings were introduced
C++ compile system blows.
@Zoidberg like, a moderately sized one problem.
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@DomagojPandža it blows cock.
user142019
C++' compilation system is retarded and FUBAR.
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Even modules can't fix it since it's FUBAR.
But, after compilation, it runs quite nicely.
@Cheiron That's because you can configure it to be incremental, only the changed TUs are recompiled with the necessary crap and relinked.
20:34
What's a decent file host? Mediafire blows and hostr is saying file too big (it's 35 MB)
torrent?
qtcreator_ctrlc_stub: Command line failed: mingw32-make.exe
22:35:02: The process "mingw32-make.exe" crashed.
Thats what I get for trying QT 4.8.4 + MinGW
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@Rapptz Dropbox public folder.
Do those still have security risks?
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I don't know.
user142019
20:38
But Guido works there!
@Cheiron why are you using old soft
@R.MartinhoFernandes So one's real and the other is fake?
Infidel, the galaxy-class Enterprise is real.
user142019
20:39
@R.MartinhoFernandes Again a perfect example of why pure functions are fucking awesome.
@BartekBanachewicz Because this old sof is in de Ubuntu repo's
@Cheiron and?
@BartekBanachewicz And I am lazy?
so waste more time, gz
On Windows, yes. On Ubuntu this is the easiest way.
20:42
tell me more about "easiest" :P
Ell
Ell
I'm gonna try Qt
apt-get install qt4* qt-creator.
@Ell please no
And you are done!
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz haha why not?
Qt5 here we come :D
20:43
@Zoidberg Extremely bandwidth-limited
user142019
GitHub. LOL.
@Ell QT creator is k, but Qt itself, well.
Qt is fine
Qt creator is a really decent IDE if you want something lightweight
And the only other option is GTK
20:44
it's non std
you can use different languatge
Qt is clearly superior to like everything else so
Qt's pretty decent.
Yes, that makes sense. Qt is not standard C++ but you can totally use another language
:thumbsup:
oh I forgot I am not arguing with you
Allright. Got MinGW to work, and now it does not recognize the -std=c++11 thingy
20:46
A polar bear and a seal are sitting on an ice floe. The polar bear looks at the seal and says, "RAWRRRRRRRRRGGG" and then kills and eats it.
"I can't make a non-retarded argument, I'm not arguing with you!"
Ell
Ell
@CatPlusPlus What is wrong with that?
With what?
why did I even unignore him. nvm.
Retarded arguments?
:lol:
Ell
Ell
20:47
You would be more frustrated if he made a retarded argument
So be grateful he is just stopping before he does such
He already did
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gtkmm is great.
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On Linux, at least.
Sometimes I think that the c++ comminuty is filled smart, thoughtfull people. And then this happens.
"[Qt] is not std" and in response to GTK being only other decent option "you can use a different language"
Ell
Ell
20:48
^exactly
Perfect arguments against Qt
Ell
Ell
@CatPlusPlus why say that?
You bring the frustration you feel upon yourself
@Ell Why say what?
I'm not frustrated, I'm mocking
Ell
Ell
Say something which can only ignite argument
anyhow.
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20:51
lol
Calling out shitty arguments is fun
Ell
Ell
Meh, each to their own :L
at first I thought it was giving the finger
It's double funny because of how everyone is "blur hurr durr you just hate everything blurf hlurf" when I say I don't like something, even when I do give actual reasoning behind that
Anyway, if that wasn't clear I called out that Qt, being non-std, can be perceived badly by some people and thus using other language might be better.
20:53
It's x4 funny because bonus
There is no standard GUI toolkit
It's not an argument against any C++ GUI toolkit
(It's a stupid argument anyway, even if there was a standard toolkit)
Ell
Ell
I'm not saying Qt is bad :3 I've never tried it so I have no reason to dislike it
O god fucking dammit. The MinGW version that the Qt developpers say is best for Qt 4.8.4 has G++ version 4.4.0, which does not support c++11
Ell
Ell
although at first the idea of moc put me off it, but I recently have become open to preprocessing things since google protobuf
It works fine with 4.7
20:55
I am going to bed, and worry about this tomorrow
bye guys
@Cheiron "easiest"
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^^ lol
@Mysticial -1 from me
> fucking nerds that won't get laid
well at least we know how to program
Woah... the OP of that meta question wasn't the one who said that.
He's asking what to do when you see something like that example.
21:04
I thought it was obvious
I think OP feels that this kind of post deserves some kind of urgent attention because it has fucks in it?
Ohai nubberies
Hope there's free wifi at the venue, cause using my phone sucks with SO chat
user142019
HELLO PUP
where are you pup?
@DeadMG use phone as a modem?
Hotel in Bristol
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21:07
@kbok in a pub.
Iphones can't be tethers
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@DeadMG ACCU? :v
@DeadMG what? untrue
@DeadMG sure they do
WG21 fool
user142019
21:07
iPhones support tethering.
Oh. How do I do that?
user142019
Go to settings > general > network > internet tethering.
No such setting
try updating
Is it only newer iPhones or ios6?
21:09
4s too
you can update with itunes if it's connected on the internet. try tethering with your... wait
3 here
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Oh an ancient iPhone.
@DeadMG iOS5+
I have ios5 but it's an iPhone 3 or maybe 3GS
21:10
The guy always complaining about outdated compilers has an iPhone 3
@DeadMG you got an iphone?
Upgrading this costs money
Ell
Ell
Do you think package management systems should be down to the OS e.g. apt-get/yum/rpm or should they be for the individual language e.g. gem/nuget/etc. ?
Ugh, iPhone 3G. :/
user142019
@Ell everything is fine as long as they don't do global installations by default.
user142019
21:12
Local package installations or GTFO.
Hey you wanna pay for a new One feel free to send me the moneys
Xeo
Xeo
Oh, hey puppy
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@DeadMG a new Nexus One?
Whatever
@DeadMG google will be glad to buy you a nexus 4
user142019
21:15
When's your proposal shizzle?
Dunno
Xeo
Xeo
@Zoidberg Schedule will likely be decided sometime tomorrow
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OIC
Zoidberg will you be my friend?
LEWG has loads of papers to deal with
Xeo
Xeo
21:16
Same with EWG
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@Crowz No.
Ell
Ell
Zoidberg will you be my friend?
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@Ell No.
Ell
Ell
k
Crowz will you be my friend?
user142019
21:22
@Ell Is my name Crowz? No.
Ell
Ell
@Zoidberg wat xD
@Borgleader hehe
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@sehe sehe
You're supposed to sehehehehehe :(
user142019
Tomorrow I have a test and afterwards I will start downloading all MLP episodes.
user142019
21:32
I should watch more series. Futurama was great.
Havok is going to be free for PC, iOS and Android
@Rapptz what
like, the whole Havok?
oh, Project Anarchy
@Ell I'll be more than your friend <3
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inb4 Crowz marries Ell.
that's going to be a decent engine
hm.
21:34
> We have a powerful toolset made up of Havok’s Vision Engine, Physics, AI and Animation Studio; components of which have been used to build games like Modern Combat 4, Halo 4, Skyrim, Orcs Must Die and Guild Wars 2 to name a few. Project Anarchy bundles these technologies together, allowing users to download a complete toolkit with exporters for max and maya and a full WYSIWYG editor.

The Havok Vision Engine is built on top of an extensible C++ plugin framework and Project Anarchy will include the source for the plugins we use to connect our other products to the Vision engine. This sourc
Y NO Havok Script :/
Well, that's yet another reason to focus on Lundi
when Anarchy comes out, Lundi should be able to fill the gap of HScript
and I am totally going to use that, Havok physics is really nice
iirc Havok Vision Engine does come with Havok Script
Or at least some form of lua integration
user142019
Havoc.
@Rapptz if it does, then well.
We'll see, huh?
Anyway, I haven't really seen the API of Havok Script, so Lundi might still be a viable option
Also Havok Physics is free isn't it?
21:38
if they keep the original C interface, Lundi will still work
@Rapptz yes, Physics and Animation are free
oh okay.
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes tenth repost.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh my.
@R.MartinhoFernandes dat comic sans
21:39
Needs that baby dancing gif.
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@ScottW FUCKCOCK
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Johnny Bravo is awesome.
kstructure Vector2
    x : number
    y : number
end
hm, that looks like another struct wrapper
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I'm 15, yes. :v
lmao
21:46
is python considered scripting?
I used to watch a lot of cartoons when I was younger
Yes
user142019
> school is for losers
I used to watch cartoons when I was 21
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@Crowz define scripting.
I don't watch TV anymore.
I watched Legend of Korra though.
21:47
@Zoidberg exactly.
user142019
It's a retarded term.
Python can be used as a scripting language
Xeo
Xeo
@Rapptz Avatar was nice. Still gotta watch Korra
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@Rapptz define scripting language.
Xeo
Xeo
define define
21:48
@Crowz scripting is a vague term
A scripting language or script language is a programming language that supports the writing of scripts, programs written for a software environment that automate the execution of tasks which could alternatively be executed one-by-one by a human operator.
@BartekBanachewicz and this is most of why I am asking if python... is one. Haha
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@Rapptz Ah, so all reasonable programming languages.
A scripting language or script language is a programming language that supports the writing of scripts, programs written for a software environment that automate the execution of tasks which could alternatively be executed one-by-one by a human operator. Environments that can be automated through scripting include software applications, web pages within a web browser, the shells of operating systems (OS), and several general purpose and domain-specific languages such as those for embedded systems. Scripting is usually a property of the primary implementations of a language, although man...
@Zoidberg No.
@Crowz it can be used as one
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21:50
All reasonable programming languages can be used to automate the execution of tasks in a software environment.
Just read the wiki article.
@BartekBanachewicz okay. I'm trying to learn some useful languages for looking for a job. I know java (not very useful), I'm... meh with C++ or C. I figure a scripting language would be useful, yeah? Python would fit there?
@Crowz Yes, python is widely used
@Crowz It certainly doesn't hurt to learn new languages (unless it's PHP).
I like Lua more, but WRT your goals, python fits better
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21:51
> Environments that can be automated through scripting include software applications.
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So, basically everything.
Xeo
Xeo
@Rapptz Wikipedia is not everything
@Crowz If you want a job java is the way to go
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> Typically, …
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Says nothing.
Xeo
Xeo
21:52
@kbok Really? I got a C++ job just fine
@Xeo What does this mean?
I also code in C++ at work
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> Scripts can be written and executed "on-the-fly", without explicit compile and link steps.
@Xeo C++ is way harder to pick up than Java
I don't get it.
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21:52
All reasonable languages.
@Insilico gotta prioritize haha... I want a job. What's the most useful in the industry besides C++?
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IOW: a moot term.
So if what he wants is just a job then Java is the easier route IMO
Xeo
Xeo
@Rapptz You sounded like whatever the wiki article says was the absolute truth.
@Crowz Depends on what part of the industry you're talking about.
21:53
@Crowz programming ability?
For things like iPhone apps, you're looking at Objective C
Xeo
Xeo
@kbok Java suck donkey cocks, thought. So if he wants to actually enjoy his job...
@Xeo No, I merely pointed out that the wiki article has a well set definition that he can argue with.
@Crowz Where do you want to work? Which country?
For things involving server-side stuff, it's probably Java or C# or even C++.
21:53
@Xeo You're just adding requirements now :)
@kbok Boston, Seattle, UK, or Germany.
Xeo
Xeo
@kbok I wouldn't want a job I don't enjoy
@Xeo Everytime someone uses "donkey cocks" as an expression I think to myself "Somewhere out there somebody made a porn movie about Donkey Kong and that's the title they gave it."
This is 2013. People use lots of languages. You can get a job coding ruby or python or C+ or C or Java or C# or VB.NET or JavaScript or Cobol without too much trouble.
@Insilico put it this way -- I want to get a job, any job, that I can get. Hard enough to get a job already haha might as well learn the most widely used languages
21:54
RoR, PHP, C++, C# and Java are hot in the UK IME
@jalf I am not really sure about the last one.
@Xeo me neither. hard to find though.
@Crowz Go to careers.stackoverflow.com and get an idea of the kinds of things employers looking for.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ask your bank
@jalf I am sure I will have trouble getting that job.
21:55
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you can't code Cobol ;)
careers.SO is not at all representative of the industry
@kbok It's not, but it's a good start in answering the statement: "I want any job involving programming".
Reminded me of Borgleader.
Seriously, banks generally have heaps of old mainframe cruft written in Cobol, and are having a hard time finding people to maintain it. All they require is that you either know their 40-year-old technology already, or are willing to learn it
21:57
eh looking at jobs, I always feel like I learned nothing in school
Although TBH just looking for any job involving programming without considering anything else is almost guaranteed to give you shitty results.
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@DomagojPandža reddit :v
@Insilico I don't even know what jobs in programming are like. Or honestly if I even do want to do programming. But it's what my degree will be in.
@Crowz You won't know until you try, no? :-)
21:59
Every industry is shit
TIL QTCreator is OpenSource
ehh. I don't really like programming and I am absolutely terrible at it hah
I think I am sold, guys
VS era is over for me.

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