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23:00
So. Is @BoltClock here? Maybe he could tell us who's flagging.
Anyway I guess I'm one of those people who thinks they should just "embrace" piracy rather than try to squash it because I don't think it's working and piracy will never go away. DRM-free games and other media seem to be successful.
@BartekBanachewicz ok
some fuckwit is flagging again
FUCK YOU FLAGGING COCKSUCKING SON OF BITCH, FUCK OFF ALREADY
Woa, woa. Calm down.
locking functionality to server is the best thing ever for the companies, ala Blizzard way
23:00
STOP IT @TOMALAK
also lol
Simply counterflag.
you know what's more annoying then seeing all those flags pop up? hearing about all those flags popping up!
Hopefully it'll go away.
Uh. Seems to be alright now.
Nope... Tony got banned.
23:01
@EtiennedeMartel "counterflag"?
@Cicada did you get a sex-change?
@Mysticial what?
@TonyTheLion I havn't read the other answers yet, but judging by their length, there's probably a lot of good info on that question
@LuchianGrigore Yup. I'm a boy now! Feels good to have a penis.
@BartekBanachewicz When you mark a flag as not valid.
@Mysticial Shit.
23:02
@EtiennedeMartel Shit is right.
ah I'm back
Hello, @ThiefMaster. We had a little flag issue.
thanks guys :)
@TonyTheLion how did you?
23:02
@Cicada you know, you could have had a penis as a girl as well, right?
or more...
@Mysticial I don't know
@LuchianGrigore It's not exactly the same layout
It just suddenly came back
yeah, i was the guy who validated the "dick" flag.. didn't notice you guys were kidding around.
@TonyTheLion s/back//
23:02
@MooingDuck yes, that's helpful
@ThiefMaster you dick :P
@ThiefMaster When are we ever serious?
@ThiefMaster We're always kidding around.
@ThiefMaster which is totally different from usual
No flags from this room are ever valid
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23:03
Remember this guise ^
Ell
Ell
Sorry for being a n00b but are the blue people SO employees?
Could have been some help vampire who went apeshit after being flamed
@CatPlusPlus I was tempted to flag that
If we want to ban someone we coordinate and flag them fast enough for other rooms to not intervene :v:
and if they are there are enough 10k+ users here to validate them.
23:03
@TonyTheLion (I'm just fucking awesome, bitches! is the correct response)
@Ell They're smurfs
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Unless you accidentally write "PHP"
@thecoshman lol
@Ell mods
@LuchianGrigore Yes, that will get you trolled AND banned.
Xeo
Xeo
23:04
@thecoshman May or may not need a comma.
@ThiefMaster I doubt so. Can you guys see who flagged the messages?
@Ell That's racist
@Ell they claim to not be but in reality they're working for the man to keep us down. Just ask Jalf.
@Xeo ¬_¬ I very much doubt it
23:05
@Xeo It doesn't get better with a comma no
I can - but only while the flags are live
and of course I can't sharethat information
Anyway, that's why broadcasting flags are bullshit, because they lack the context. What is offensive elsewhere generally isn't here.
"my power is limited"
You suck
@ThiefMaster Awww.
23:05
ah, yes it did need a comma :D
"you must ask the correct questions"
@EtiennedeMartel I meant the "suck my dick" comment itself, not the flag
Oh, so flags are anonymous, even for mods?
@thecoshman slowpoke
@BartekBanachewicz are you knew here?
23:06
@EtiennedeMartel Then can see who cast them while it is live. But once they are cleared, they can't.
Boltclock said he wasn't able to see who started the last flag-fest.
@ThiefMaster of course
Boltcock
@Mysticial seems like a nice flaw
Hmm.
What if we lay down some trap?
@Rapptz I recall several reports of companies who publicly announced they would never make games with DRM, and then their sales fell through the floor because nobody could reach the servers because there were too many pirates playing.
23:07
@Cicada Unicock.
Like, @Cicada could say something really offensive.
@Cicada I read that too the first time
surprise, surprise :P
@EtiennedeMartel why me? you faggot
And then, when it's flagged, GO! @ThiefMaster tells us who does it and we start trolling.
yesterday, by Mysticial
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23:07
@MooingDuck Game of Thrones is the most pirated thing in the world and it does fine. So it depends.
@Mysticial fag drama
erm, flag drama
GoT is a TV show
@Cicada Because you're good at that.
@MooingDuck Allowing pirated games to use multiplayer is stupid. "CD" keys for the rescue.
@EtiennedeMartel i failed that last one though
23:08
TV shows earn revenue way before they reach consumers
From selling adspace and stuff
@EtiennedeMartel It's quite limited to the people currently in room, obviously
Ell
Ell
I don't undrsrand how pirate games can go multiplayer, isn't anti pirate trivial when internet is available
write an emulator
Was there a feature request about making flags non anonymous?
23:09
steal official exes
plenty of choice
Like, when you see the flag, you also see the people who validated it?
@EtiennedeMartel I think there has been
Would be fun.
Any significant feature requests regarding chat get rejected so
23:10
s/significant//
IT'S BY DESIGN
guys are by far more important
It wouldn't be hard, anyway. They already have that information (because you can't validate twice). All they need is a little bit of JS.
IT TOTALLY WORKS
23:10
I could fucking write it for them.
NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING
@ThiefMaster one big complaint against spore was that many people bought the game legally and then couldn't play online because the cd key was already in use.
Ahahahaha what
@MooingDuck lol
23:12
In other news.
What is up with the #SimCity hype? What type of game it it? :O
This guy has been living under a rock.
Also, doesn't help that Amazon is selling spore with out-and-out invalid cd keys.
Or maybe sarcasm
Also I don't get the hype either
:sarcasm:
@CatPlusPlus Dude, it's SimCity.
DRMCity*
23:13
ScrewCity
TonyMakesPuns
It's a reboot with crappy DRM
user142019
DRM is ever not crappy?
SC2000 is where SC is at
Let's not forget that those on Reddit are the vocal minority who would have been hating on the game even if it had no DRM.
Because hating is what they do.
23:14
I hate that it has DRM though
@EtiennedeMartel I've heard it isn't as good as expected
I think there's a name for that.
I don't really care about reddit by principle
But the game looks awesome
@BartekBanachewicz What did you expect?
23:14
I think it has simplified mechanics over SC4 too
Outpost 2 > SimCity
@Cicada That usually means "unplayable for the first few days", so, yeah. I'm gonna wait a bit.
But I've read literally some bits of info and forgot about it so maybe not
SimCity: Diablo 3
@CatPlusPlus That's a great thing. SC4 was an overly complex clusterfuck.
This is kind of game where you do want complex clusterfuck
The more things go wrong the more fun it is!
23:15
@CatPlusPlus I don't want to have to micromanage the budget of very damn hospital.
user142019
UB and bugs?
tbh I played SC4 for like 10 minutes
But SC2000 is great
SC2k was the shit, yes.
I still consider my self to have beaten sc2000
Nothing beats unleashing every disaster on the city
23:16
But I think it's mostly because I spent most of my childhood playing it.
@CatPlusPlus I always disabled disasters because I hate it when my perfect city gets wasted.
This new SimCity probably doesn't even have disasters
What with not being able to load previous save
maybe it has politically incorrect disasters
@CatPlusPlus It does.
like a nigger invasion
4
i hope
@EtiennedeMartel Meh, random events
23:17
@Cicada No, only a zombie one.
btw does it have microtransactions yet
Also tornadoes, earthquakes, aliens and meteors.
@EtiennedeMartel I am just repeating what my friend said
@EtiennedeMartel from an IQ standpoint those are very similar
@CatPlusPlus No.
23:18
When you have a map crammed with Archologies, and endless money flooding in, I think you've won
@Cicada that's racist
@Cicada By the way, let's star that to attract the flagger.
@CatPlusPlus heheheh, only you would say that
That's gonna be our honeypot.
23:18
ohwell
When novelty wears off and people stop buying it and they'll still have to maintain the stupid servers
@EtiennedeMartel did you maybe think that he might read the chat actually?
@CatPlusPlus I still don't know how they're gonna work that in.
user142019
SimCity is fun for ten minutes and then it's boring.
@BartekBanachewicz Sshhhh.
user142019
23:19
It's like GTA.
@CatPlusPlus lol, people stop buying, servers stop ticking
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that with everything? You're just being nihilist right now.
Yeah it'll be pretty funny when servers shut down and single-player game stops working
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Looks to me that the whole microtransaction thing spawned because a suit higher up read something about microtransactions and came down screaming "WE NEED THAT ASAP!"
And then the designers shook their heads in disgust.
(At least for people who didn't buy into the hype)
23:20
@EtiennedeMartel I like microtransactions :( Means I can play games for free legally.
@CatPlusPlus To be fair, I expect that to happen quite a lot at first, and then not so much.
@MooingDuck SimCity is 60$.
@EtiennedeMartel well that's just stupid. Count me out.
And that's why I don't understand that.
23:21
The real SimCity is 6$
sixty dollars? whatwhat
@Cicada Standard for a AAA.
user142019
SimCity, like all games, is free.
@Cicada in the... wallet
23:21
that's ridiculous
most expensive game i've bough is GW2
~45€
45€ is more than 60$
except prices don't get converted
AAA games are 60$ in North America.
they're mapped into euros
23:22
@Xeo, do you have time to explain a bit about what Johannes was writing? I'm not sure I understand what is the "higher level" he is talking about, and it seems to me like you do
Sometimes, you can get a game for 50$ instead, but only if it's a PC exclusive.
That's the standard pricing for AAA titles sold here.
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl There is no dependency at the function call level - the only dependency is at class level.
Are you guys talking about game prices?
Xeo
Xeo
Which means the Trait::f() substitution will be done as soon as the class is instantiated.
@Cicada I'd disagree, virtually every big game in the US is $60, including GW2.
23:23
@LuchianGrigore we guys are
Xeo
Xeo
Thus not giving the function an SFINAE context.
@MooingDuck I live in Europe. I don't buy games over 30€ (GW2 being the only exceptions)
@Cicada so there are other countries than Murica?
@BartekBanachewicz what do you mean by "other countries than Murica"
@Cicada ¬_¬ totally worth it
23:25
@Cicada So, you don't buy games on launch day, I assume?
Rarely
(Because that kinda means you might be an idiot)
I get 10 free games each year
:)
(Since you were comparing apples to oranges since the beggining of the discussion)
23:25
(Ah oui? Alors que je paie 10 fois moins cher que toi ? J'en doute)
Ça, c'est un autre sujet.
@Xeo Got it. So the compiler error will occur even if I don't invoke the function at all
where's my table!!!!
@EtiennedeMartel @Cicada I używajcie ludzkiego języka, ćwoki.
@BartekBanachewicz Kurwa kury piejo
23:26
i am out.
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl Correct.
Ell
Ell
Most I've bought is £45. Didn't work. Woolies shut down. Sadface
@Xeo But then that should be the case even for the OP's code, right?
23:27
@EtiennedeMartel Oh que non ! C'est au contraire un point majeur de la discussion
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl No, a default argument is only evaluated at function call time.
But I agree that it's a bit shady and prefer to write it another way.
(that's why they're called "default")
(protip)
Xeo
Xeo
If only constexpr was encoded at the type level, then you could do a generic check for constexpr functions. :<
WTB pure qualifier.
only if your bank accepts generic checks
otherwise it doesn't work
@Xeo OK, that makes sense. So do you believe the OP's code has well-defined behavior?
Xeo
Xeo
23:28
Yea
are you talking to a starfish
@Cicada Hmmmmm.
@Cicada yes
We have talking animals here. Why not a starfish?
this room is going insane every day a bit more
starfish can't type, sillies
23:29
@Cicada Or you're going insane every day a bit more.
Ce qui n'invalide pas ma phrase
heh, struct wektor in a question. Where int wektor::norm(){return x*x+y*y;}...
@Xeo All right. Thank you for explaining, I got it now
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl Are you going to undelete your answer?
@Cicada Enfin, si. Parce que si c'est toi qui devient folle, le Lounge, lui, ne change pas.
23:30
@Xeo I think it wouldn't be very intellectually fair, since I feel like I am not writing that answer with full knowledge of that subject
Je compte y remédier très prochainement :)
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl Then I'll just finish mine. :)
Ça va mal finir.
Oui
@Xeo Sure, go ahead :)
Xeo
Xeo
23:31
Time to go huntin' standard quotes.
@AndyProwl You're hard-capped anyway. lol
Damn...
Fixed VS's derp out on me, fixed a bunch of stuff...
@Mysticial s/-capped//
Deferred rendering is starting to chug along.
@EtiennedeMartel That was intentional. "hard-capped" meaning repcapped several times over.
23:34
After that, physics.
@Mysticial True, but it would be good upvotes for hunting some or badges :P
@AndyProwl sigh...
Bitch Please... I have 9k in and no gold badge.
:(
@Mysticial How is that possible?
@AndyProwl 200 answer minimum
@AndyProwl not enough answers
23:35
Don't you get a gold badge when you reach 1k?
Oh, I see
It was designed that way intentionally to keep people like me from getting it.
@Mysticial That's cruel
@Mysticial Got time to crash-course me in debugging through optomizations?
It was originally added after the Regex answer hit 1k. Bobince got a badge for effectively 1 answer.
I'm getting my ass kicked by all sorts of errors.
23:36
@ThePhD if you have something specific, sure.
@Mysticial so that people like me can get them
(well, me and, recently, Andy) :P
@Mysticial How many answers do you miss?
@AndyProwl I still need another 135 for .
@LuchianGrigore Still a long way for me ;)
@AndyProwl I think Mysticial just deletes answers with less than 50 upvotes.
23:37
@MooingDuck lol, no
@Mysticial I can tag my question about the cache test with . That would make it only 134 left!
@AndyProwl I didn't even answer it yet, lol
I'm 52:7k for ...
If you subtract out the 6k, then it's well under 1k.
@Mysticial I should have investigated on the results I got after your last hint, but I got distracted by other stuff
Will get back to it eventually though
no worries, I'm not in a hurry.
mysticial whining about his low rep again? this is becoming way too common
23:40
@Cicada I didn't say shit about my rep. :)
Yeah man, he didn't rep about his shit! D:<
i hate you either way
:3
@Cicada It's about badges now
what language is pl? Polish?
23:41
Yep
MMMM
atari mai ja
MORE 0xBAADF00000
watashi wa oshiri desu
Feel like they should add a D, to add extra hilarity to that address.
Your name is Oshiri?
Like Ohsilly?
@Cicada I'm glad you finally realized that. :)
23:42
Cicada Oshiri
0xDEADCAFEBABEC1CADA5BADBEEFF00D?
Good enough to put in a game.
@MooingDuck Don't forget 0xC1CADA either!
this is incredibiru
There's also 0xDEADBAB1E5 but apparently people don't like that one
I'd use that one.
Faceruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub
0xBAADF004 now.
Like some kind of exclamation.
OOOH you have reached hte Bad Foo AH!
23:46
just found this page: royal.pingdom.com/2009/02/06/…
Reminds me of Cave Story's Creator's other game.
Where the text wasn't finished
700:1a7e:70:face:b055::f1ee:f1ee (too late to face boss. flee flee)
So instead of a question mark, there was the Kana for Ka is japanese
But in English computers it never displayed right
So you got a weird box plus an 'H'.
So everytime someone asked you a question, it was all messed up.
YOU DO DO YOU WANT SO SAVE OH!
Questions became very involved in that game.
@ThePhD you couldn't figure out a wierd box?
Have you seen my Dad OOOOOOOH?!
23:47
Cave Story is cool
@ThePhD ▖
@MooingDuck Well I wasn't going to say BoxH.
That's just boring.
It was better to call it OH, and then everything was exceiting.
I have evolutionary algorithm to write
hmm, what is the codepoint for that box?
After all, don't you think it would be exciting if someone gasped after they asked a question OOOOOH?!
23:49
This is possibly the first remotely interesting uni thing in about 5 semesters
There's a SO question about it, (stackoverflow.com/questions/6278554/…), but the answer just says "yes it's a character"
@MooingDuck I dunno, I'd have to find the vaporware, fire it up, and then get sufficiently lost for someone to ask me a question.
(it was a bubble-squid underwater game)
And it's still full of shitty uni things like reports which make even the most interesting things fucking unbearable
why don't you say your algo got out of control and evolved into a super efficient report-deleting-virus
user1357851
@CatPlusPlus stop whining, you are probably going to be doing reports a lot in your working life too. Better get use to it now
23:51
@Cicada Because nobody gives a shit?
i don't understand what you said then
U+25a1 looks close: □
Either you turn the report in or kiss your grade goodbye
@Rapptz So qTCreator is nice?
It's the only one I haven't tried.
@MooingDuck That might be it.
@Telkitty Literally no reports in last two years of my working life thanks
user1357851
23:53
Cat is happily ignoring everything thing and embrace for the failure this year :P
@MooingDuck Foudn teh game: cavestory.org/othergames_ikachan.php
It looks like it might have been improved a bit since I last played it (nearly a two years ago, I think?)
Which surprises me because Studio Pixel had dedicated it to the vapourware pile.
It's also interesting to see how many games Studio Pixel made before they actually got one that people loved.
ECX has the 0xBAADF000 in it.
But I can't tell how to get to the thing above it.
Goddamn mingled callstack and shit. D:
Are you compiling with FPO
FPwha?
FloatingPoint Optomizations?
Xeo
Xeo
@Andy: I think I found where the standard says that OP's code is well-formed.
23:58
-ffastmath ? No
Frame pointer omission
Oh. No I'm pretty sure I'm telling it to keep frame pointers
Just checked, I have /Oy- in there.
I.E., do NOT omit frame pointers.
Xeo
Xeo
23:59
> §14.6.4.1/2: If a function template [...] is called in a way which uses the definition of a default argument of that function template [...], the point of instantiation of the default argument is the point of instantiation of the function template [...].
@Andy ^
hmm, so what do I put in this .css file to make chrome use "Arial Unicode MS" as a fallback?
I can still go up and down the callstack, but I can't seem to get at any local values.

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