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12:00 AM
no
 
might have developed into an ulcer anyway
 
I tested negative prior, and my bloodwork shows no sign of infection
I have an over-active liver, but that's probably fatty liver disease since I'm quite fat.
 
Wow! Yeah, if your gall bladder is in your stomach then you definitely should get that checked out.
 
Ell
@melak I'm certainly getting pudgy :P
 
you said you tested a long time ago though
 
12:01 AM
@Rapptz Yeah, but that was definitely after I got sick.
 
Sickness doesn't work that way. :|
 
@Ell I know the feeling. I basically haven't moved since I finished school and started uni.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A question is a question and an answer is an answer, help is needed here and youre essentially telling him to go somewhere else, tell him what he did wrong in his posting at the very least like Mike did. telling someone their question sucks and to take their problems elsewhere helps no one. I always fancied programmers as people who look at a problem, and continuously find new ways to go about solving and resolving the issue. not someone who shuns someone who is no doubt new. — Nick 31 mins ago
^ perfect example of a stupid person
 
A question is a question is a question - but only between ferengi?
 
well, it's hard to imagine having Horrific Stomach Pains for three months being caused by some completely random thing, then getting Heliobacter and having that cause Horrific Stomach Pains.
 
Xeo
12:02 AM
I wonder why the compiler warns for signed_v >= unsigned_v, if the lhs max value is smaller than rhs max value. :|
 
@Xeo IIRC, the promotion rules for signed/unsigned comparisons are legendarily unintuitive and easy to introduce bugs with.
 
@DeadMG Heliobacter huh
sounds like a sentient aircraft
 
Xeo
Oh wait, usual arithmetic conversions.
 
"We'll send in Heliobacter! dn dn dn"
 
12:04 AM
@Xeo Yeah. 'Don't mix signedness' is easier to remember.
 
in any case
 
Xeo
I just recently watched STL's video on that, how could I forget.
 
hopefully mr gallbladder/liver/pancreas/"general look around" ultrasound will find something that can be killed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's actually helicobacter pylori
 
Xeo
@DeadMG You?
 
12:04 AM
@Xeo Apart from me :P
 
I turned on /Wall for MSVC, and it warned me that function xyz has been selected for inlining. Why is that a warning?
 
Some people don't like inlining
 
Heliobacter? I barely know 'er!
 
@Rapptz Some people are idiots
 
Xeo
Grah, this is a stupid situation. I want to allow relative position values, which means I need to support negative values. However, where the comparision is, there will only ever be absolute values... narf.
 
12:05 AM
@Collin @Mysticial doesn't like it when his code gets inlined in certain situations
I forget why
 
@Rapptz it also warned about the functions that weren't selected for inlining :/
 
@Xeo Yes, give in to frustration. Come to the signed side!
 
Xeo
Maybe I should make it a union{ uint_type urow, int_type row };. :|
 
@Rapptz Not sure I understand that one.. I could see for size purposes, but in that case you'd want size optimizations on anyway
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Eh, the field size is defined by unsigned values, which is what's causing the warning in the first place.
 
12:07 AM
I'll have to remember to ask him at some point
 
Xeo
And it doesn't make sense for a field size to be signed.
 
@Mysticial HEY WHY DO YOU NOT LIKE INLINING IN SOME CASES?! D:<
 
@Xeo Does it?
 
@Xeo Just add an explicit abs call.
 
See? Now when he comes back we'll know.
 
12:07 AM
@ThePhD oh yeah ping
 
what happens if the compiler inlines a function with static variables? it wouldn't do that...right guise?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Yeah, I don't support negative fields. :P
@DeadMG That sounds wrong, somehow.
 
@melak47 It absolutely would.
@Xeo Why? You're just communicating to the compiler what you already know.
 
Xeo
Hm
 
would the static variable get duplicated or still refer to the same one?
 
Xeo
12:09 AM
I rather cast it to unsigned.
 
@melak47 Of course it would still refer to the same one.
else it would be an observable optimization, which would be illegal.
 
Xeo
Also, I need to introduce asserts into this project, but I don't want to use <cassert>.
 
@melak47 inlining can't fundamentally change the semantics of your program; duh
 
@Xeo that's one of the smallest headers
who cares
:|
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit then what's not to like?
 
Xeo
12:11 AM
@Rapptz I don't want <cassert> because the standard assert macro sucks. Not enough information.
 
user142019
I want pattern matching in C#.
 
@Xeo I also need to sort this stuff out. I'm still annoyed that there isn't a 'best practice' or 'common wisdom' regarding that.
 
@Xeo So you want an assert with personalised strings?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Maybe because everyone's waiting for somebody to sort it out? :D
 
@Xeo But I'm already playing so many vidya gaems doing so much productive stuff!
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
lawl
Also, you still haven't answered me why I wrote that zip thing yesterday.
 
You clearly abused operator| for doing two different, unrelated things, i.e. adapting a thingy and consuming it.
I must conclude that you were under the influence.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton No, operator| was always applying a function to the lhs!
And operator& was always just adding stuff to the zip.
 
Oh yeah and you were that close to order of evaluation issues.
 
@melak47 I don't understand the premise of your question.
 
:)
 
Xeo
12:16 AM
@LucDanton Within expand or with the operator chaining?
 
Chaining.
Alright, time to improve optional.
 
Xeo
Does your optional support for(auto e : opt)?
 
I'm not sure just yet. Atm it's an easter egg :p
 
Xeo
lol
 
I'm really leaning towards 'yes' though.
 
Xeo
12:20 AM
The weird part is just adding begin() and end() to a non-range, although you could say that it counts as a 0-or-1 element range.
@Stacked No, but I use something similar: if(auto maybe = get_some_opt()){ ... }else{ ... }
For parsing some config stuff.
 
Yeah. Precedent is that the Boost.Optional docs suggest that it is possible to see optional<T> as a container of 0-or-1. It also spilled in the discussion of std::optional.
 
Xeo
I have to admit, though, with the above if, it's not as important, although more convenient in certain cases (e.g., no else).
 
optional could be viewed as variant<T, Nothing>
 
Have to think of two names, i.e. the result of the expression, and the result of dereferencing the resulting optional!
 
Hey
 
Xeo
12:24 AM
Now, if C++ had for(...) { ... } else { ... }...
 
doesn't make sense to me
 
It's just a forelse.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton ?
 
Wat. Forelse?
When should the else be executed?
 
It's something Python has but I've never used
 
12:25 AM
Just kidding.
 
@Xeo Range-for dereferences for you.
 
Xeo
Yea
@Jeffrey If the for body never executed.
 
@Jeffrey Basically you have a normal for loop, and if it all goes well (i.e. no break) then it does the else condition.
 
Curses, GCC trunk has fixed inheriting constructors but no Debian package yet.
 
At least in Python
 
12:26 AM
Oh well, more silly forwarding constructors.
 
@Xeo, @Rapptz, so much confusion there
 
like I said I don't use it lol
 
Implementation of forwarding constructors is an application of muscle memory.
 
Xeo
enable_if_unrelated<this_type, U> <3
 
Weeee~
 
12:29 AM
@Xeo optional is too generic for me to resort to that.
I.e. I need proper constraints.
 
Xeo
Hmm
Yay, left / right / up / down aliases work~
 
Xeo
Oh right, I need to add the alias command itself...
 
user142019
SharpDX y u no D3D11CreateDeviceAndSwapChain.
 
Hah, I need to write using declarations to bring things into scope because I'm using private inheritance. A good exercise is to try to remember all the names I need, presumably those that I can't remember have no business being members!
 
12:34 AM
@Zoidberg You shouldn't need to use that, IIRC.
 
@thecoshman /cc @Ell @BartekBanachewicz github.com/sehe/Bartek see readme for quickstart
 
> Microsoft, based in Redmond, Washington, plans to begin selling a new Xbox by the end of 2013 that includes more processing power and more home-entertainment features, people with knowledge of the situation said last year.
 
Baby, I'm not moving on...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Jesus christ
A 'share' button on a controller?
 
12:37 AM
@ThePhD :(
 
Sad face is sad.
 
Ell
Damn I should have beaten sehe to it. ;)
 
Yup. Well, maybe you can fix whatever it is that prevents it from showing any nice visuals with me
 
Xeo
++_cur_player %= _player.size(); -- whenever I see this line, I have to smile. No idea why.
5
 
user1357851
lol people still play xbox?
 
Ell
12:40 AM
I don't know how to write makefiles, only cmakelists.txt
 
I love how the welcome message changes all the time
 
@Telkitty er, yeah
@Telkitty mine is my primary media streaming device too
 
@Xeo because it is so evil!
 
Xeo
@sehe Eh, why? :( What has that poor line done to you?
 
@Ell You could teach me that :) I never tried CMake
@Xeo Too clever by half. cur_player = (cur_player + 1) % _player.size(); is approximately 27.8x more legible
 
Xeo
12:43 AM
lol
 
Is anyone here good with SFML?
 
"Fuck you man? You new? You suck? In the meantime read this" -> "Hei man, if you're new read this" -> "Could you please read this?" -> "Do us a favor and read this"
 
Xeo
@Jeffrey Yeah, I dunno what's up with that.
 
@Rapptz, yeah so there's sf::RenderWindow and stuff
 
Ell
@rapptz what are you using sfml for?
 
stuff.
 
@Xeo, I loved it at the beginning
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Holy crap, that's accurate.
 
@Rapptz, then you are probably not looking for sf::RenderWindow...
 
12:46 AM
I already know what sf::RenderWindow is lol
 
@StackedCrooked I...wat
 
@Rapptz, yeah but you probably don't know there are some cool methods like sf::RenderWindow::resize...
 
I'm just curious if there's a way to draw something without sf::Texture somehow by inheriting with sf::Transformable and sf::Drawable
 
If I Google the large PI string the first hit is 3 SUISSES.
 
@StackedCrooked Wow. That's funky. /cc @Mysticial :)
 
12:48 AM
@StackedCrooked How fast was that?
 
user142019
Yay I got a DirectX window!
 
Xeo
Damn, my idea of loading another level layout on-the-fly just went down the drain - the config says how many players there are on the map, not the layout. :/
 
@Rapptz I suspect that might have been compile time?
 
Hm.. that might make sense.
 
12:48 AM
@Rapptz, you should really specify whatever you are using 1.x or 2.x it changed a lot
 
@Rapptz You can edit the file, add a few newlines, and recommit it. Then you'll get an idea :)
 
@Jeffrey sf::Transformable and sf::Drawable are 2.0 classes.
 
@StackedCrooked And this is how noticed:
boost::multiprecision を使ってみた。 円周率 1,000 桁を表示するコード http://stacked-crooked.com/view?id=83a76cc41177793c701bab9677855ede 10,000 桁でも何桁でも行ける。
 
@Rapptz, Ok, I'll just shut the fuck up...
 
@sehe Yep, that's how I found it :D
 
Ell
12:49 AM
MiniCraft needs a proper client class
 
@StackedCrooked xD
 
> Ik heb geprobeerd om boost :: Multiprecision gebruiken. Ik ga zelfs een willekeurig cijfer-cijferige code in gestapelde crooked.com / ... 10.000 1.000 cijfers van pi te laten zien.
Google Translate :D
 
oy oy.
 
@Ell If you want I can set you up with push rights to my repo, I wager
 
12:50 AM
> gestapelde crooked
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
Ell
@sehe ahh I wouldn't do that, seriously I am too inexperienced, I will ruin everything
 
If anybody feels like helping: I am having troubles visualizing the list of questions. I can see the list, and I can open the links to all questions, but each item in the list looks like half-transparent. I tried different browsers, and it happens on all of them. It only happens if I browse the list while I'm logged in, though. Is this some kind of preference I've messed up with?
 
@Rapptz Now aim for 10 trillion :D
 
@Ell It's ok, I'm not actually going to work on stuff, I guess
 
12:51 AM
@AndyProwl You've probably ignored the C++11 tag.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, instead of favorited.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's an idea (I have no tags ignored)
 
user142019
Haha awesome my first DirectX program.
 
user142019
 
ew ew ew
 
Xeo
12:52 AM
@Zoidberg /golfclap
 
@Zoidberg In Zoidlang? Or Sharper? Well, ....
 
@EtiennedeMartel: Me dumb. Dunno how I did that, but that's it. Thank you.
 
@Zoidberg Brilliant!
 
@Xeo that's new
 
user142019
@Xeo lol
 
12:52 AM
@StackedCrooked s/ia/a/
 
Mmh, do you guys have policy regarding member names that are overloaded over different accesses? I'm getting bitten by a name that refers to one public function and one private function.
 
@Zoidberg it boggles the mind that they made Win8 so ugly
 
user142019
@sehe C#. :L
 
i mean look at that titlebar. JUST LOOK AT IT
 
Xeo
@LucDanton suffix _ to the private one, if it gets called by the public one as an implementation detail.
 
12:53 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No. NO!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit for your viewing pleasure...
 
@Zoidberg Oh, SharpDX...
 
ughughughughughughughughu
 
Ell
Well ill try and sort out my own local rep tomorrow
 
take it away
 
user142019
12:54 AM
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not going to use C++ on Windows.
2
 
@Xeo In that case I already had a do_emplace and I'm fairly sure I don't want those two to be overloaded, so I just left it as emplace. I usually do this when I only need to 'unpack' an index tuple :/
 
@melak47 I thought Win8 was pretty until that picture.
:(
 
@melak47 Mmm. My Win8 didn't strike me as that ugly last week
 
@Zoidberg Eh
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
user142019
12:54 AM
@melak47 wtf dat border.
 
@sehe I accidentally the border size in the wrong direction
 
how can the company that invented popularised window-based interfaces have steadily evolved to such a disgracefully messy design?
 
@Zoidberg Huzzah! For once, wisdom in the youngster: wasting energy, ok, but there are boundaries!
 
user142019
With the exact right colors it looks fine to me.
 
I mean, even before @melak47 fucks it all up, you've got that ridiculous mini-toolbar in the top left. And ribbon. And the name of the window just floating about fucking randomly
 
Xeo
12:55 AM
@LucDanton Hm, I have fun stuff = fun_ gen_indices stuff in such cases, as I said. I don't exactly know what your other case right now is.
 
it's idiotic
at least the minimise/maximise/close icons are back to sanity
 
Xeo
(communicating functions via Haskell syntax is neat and tidy)
 
Ell
My first reaction to win8 style windows was I couldn't tell if stuff was fullscreen or not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just thought: ever since KDE4 started to unclutter the KDE desktop, Windows is trying to replace KDE3 in terms of clutter
 
@Xeo I need to double check but because that do_emplace is not related to emplace at all (it came first, and then I expanded the interface), I renamed it to construct.
 
@Ell When in doubt: it is
 
KDE3 makes more sense than Win8 and, to some degree, Win7
 
Xeo
@LucDanton I see
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can't say I agree
 
@sehe You can.
 
12:57 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No. Inhibitions. I can't. My shrink says it's ok: just accept it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Heliobacter"?!
 

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