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10:00 PM
@Nils We have a Haskell room.
 
Phew, almost joined it.
 
user142019
lol @EtiennedeMartel.
 
Close call.
 
user142019
Ragejoin.
 
When I see a link, I click it.
 
10:01 PM
@FredOverflow cool
 
Especially at work.
I like to live dangerously.
 
user142019
SQL Server Management Studio y u terrible UI.
 
but it looks like nobody's there
 
@Nils Try :{ and :} pairs around your 'block'.
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel xhamster.com
 
10:01 PM
anyways I have to go to bed.. work tomorrow
 
@EtiennedeMartel We also have another room.
 
cu and thx for the help @Zoidberg
 
@Zoidberg No.
I know my porn.
 
user142019
1 min ago, by Etienne de Martel
When I see a link, I click it.
 
user142019
^ lie.
 
10:02 PM
@Zoidberg False (it's only one lie).
 
@JerryCoffin Metalie.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Metallica.
 
user142019
@JerryCoffin Heh. I was just listening to Battery.
 
user142019
Awesong.
 
@JerryCoffin Metal Lica.
 
10:04 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Metal lice.
 
I'm back motherfuckers
 
@DeadMG Hurray!
 
@thecoshman OVH?
 
let's hope that the fact that I successfully answered how to atomically add to a singly-linked list impressed them.
 
> I'm not sure what is worse... this Faux News article, or the fact that Ubisoft apparently did zero bug testing on the DLC.
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
10:08 PM
@DeadMG Seems like it should qualify as at least mildly impressive.
 
@DeadMG have you been to an interview?
 
@bamboon Just now.
 
user142019
How was it?
 
I spent 2h 30 in the place, and 13h in total :(
@Zoidberg The interview went fairly well, but the travelling was awful.
 
@DeadMG cool, where and for what?
 
user142019
10:11 PM
@bamboon Software developer at a software company. :^v
 
@Zoidberg you funnybot
 
@sehe erm.. yes? they are a hosting company.. the cat, the insect and myself use them. but they seem to be suffering a slight case of 'no bandwidth'
 
actually, I'd be working on security features in Chrome.
 
user142019
Google?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Tell me, I'm all ears.
 
10:14 PM
@DeadMG Where?
 
@DeadMG opposed to what? not actually having a linked list and having to manage the nodes your self?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman I think the point is the atomic insertion.
 
@Xeo crap damn it, I read that as automatically
¬_¬ case for Dyslexia getting stronger
 
Xeo
I have an idea, but it can't be that simple.
 
10:16 PM
The only thing I know about atomic insertion in a linked list is spin locking it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Much though I hate to defend Fox, in this case the silliness appears to be almost entirely on other people's parts. About the worst you can say about the Fox story itself is that they got the list of supported consoles a bit wrong (the Wii apparently isn't supported).
 
@thecoshman never heard of OVH
 
bah, just throw locks all over the place, job solved :P
 
@JerryCoffin Looking at the comments on the Fox News article, it seems like many people actually took it at face value.
 
@sehe ovh.com (if you really need a link)
 
10:17 PM
@thecoshman I found them. They're kinda pricey (well, not low budget)
 
@EtiennedeMartel In the UK.
 
And that's what I dislike. It's like their giving only one part of the facts. It's an editorial line creeping in what is supposed to be an objective rendition of events.
 
@Xeo What, you want to know about atomic singly-linked list insertion?
 
user142019
@sehe ovh.nl
 
I got as far as a plain-text landing page for codesuppository.com
 
Xeo
10:18 PM
@DeadMG As I said, I have an idea, but it'd be too simple.
 
@EtiennedeMartel So what exactly is missing from their article?
 
@Xeo 1. Allocate node. 2. Set node->next to head. 3. CAS(node->next, head, node).
 
@sehe you're looking at the wrong ones :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh yeah, great name ¬_`
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Oh, even at the front. Also, eh, it is as simple as I thought.
 
10:21 PM
it's for code that came out of somebody's ass
 
user142019
Waterfall > Scrum.
 
@thecoshman That's not too bad. I'd personally avoid anything <i3 though. (At the same time I have two server boxes at home running on D510s :) - but they're supposed to be low-duty and low-power)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, it's one of those sites
 
@JerryCoffin That it's a DLC, not a "new" game. That it's a DLC made in Quebec City for a game made in Montreal (and while it's technically published by a French company, they had no say in the content of the actual game).
 
@Xeo I think the hard part comes into play, when you think about deletion and don't have a lockfree shared_ptr
 
10:22 PM
@Zoidberg ¬_¬ do you even know what you are on about?
 
user142019
@thecoshman joking.
 
They're shoving the "French company" part in the face of the reader like it's a very important fact.
I find that weird.
 
@Zoidberg next you will be telling me GPU > HDD
 
@random And the other half of the time, they just shrug and go wreak havoc in the chat rooms (frequently, all of them). We can usually predict within the first two messages posted by 'new users' which users are there only because of a question ban on SO proper. I actually usually grab a copy of link to this ahead of time — sehe 13 mins ago
 
user142019
@thecoshman GPU > PHP, that's for sure.
2
 
10:23 PM
@EtiennedeMartel oh it's the worst, damn French people trying to make something entraining
 
Why "French"? Why not "Canadian"?
 
@Zoidberg well obviously
 
@Zoidberg Which should remind you: have you implemented a PHP virtual machine on the GPU yet? (Get to work!)
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Wait, CAS is CAS(value, comp, newvalue), right?
 
10:24 PM
ask one more time
I dare you
 
@Xeo comp, value, newvalue
 
@DeadMG I'm trying to think of how that could be tricky. (Pointer) aliasing?
 
Xeo
@user1233963 Watch Andrei's talk about systematic error handling and take a look at what he does with SCOPE_EXIT and ScopeGuard11.
@DeadMG Hm... Wait, I think I have a misunderstanding somewhere. In simple C-ish terms, that would be if(comp == value) comp = newvalue;, right? Wouldn't that set node->next to node? Or where am I going wrong?
@sehe You can't alias a newly allocated node, now, can you?
 
@Xeo value will be set to newvalue
 
@user1233963 It's the second time you dumped that link.
 
10:27 PM
@Xeo No. You're setting value to newvalue.
 
Xeo
Oh
Now it makes sense.
 
If no one answered the first time, what makes you think it'll work now?
 
@Xeo That wasn't specified, was it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel It actually does say it's DLC. I suppose they might put more emphasis on "French" than is necessary, but I don't see anything particularly shoving it in anybody's face. Yes, the article you linked does so, but Fox's article says nothing about it beyond the fact that Ubisoft is French. I suppose they could omit that particular detail, but I have a hard time saying it's biased because they happened to include it.
 
@sehe out of interest, how much are you paying for what?
 
Xeo
10:28 PM
8 mins ago, by DeadMG
@Xeo 1. Allocate node. 2. Set node->next to head. 3. CAS(node->next, head, node).
See 1.
@EtiennedeMartel I forgot to answer the first time. :P
 
@Xeo You're undermining my point.
 
user142019
Okay fuck.
 
@Xeo The important part is is that it's basically an atomic swap.
 
@Zoidberg 5/10 would not fuck again, unless really needing one
 
Xeo
inb4 su Zoidberg -c "echo I suck."
 
10:30 PM
@Xeo I think it needs to be done as a quote
 
Xeo
Whatever it is.
 
well actually, the syntax was right the first time, single quotes, what I meant though was you need to post that as a quote, with a '>'
 
Xeo
Ah
No
 
but still, single quotes, else it will run 'echo' first
 
Ell
I'm such a noob, I can't even do absolute -> delta mouse positions
 
Xeo
10:32 PM
Oh well, too late.
 
no star for you then :P
 
Xeo
@Ell now - before?
 
@Xeo "but why would I be keeping the before?"
 
Xeo
(Assuming now and before are some kind of 2D positions / vectors.)
 
Ell
Yeah, but I can't get it to work right with bartek's camera way. I'll figure it out eventually
 
10:34 PM
@Xeo I missed that. I also didn't assume insertion at the head
 
huh til
 
@Ell probably a bad camera class :P
 
Ell
Nahh haha, he has it working on windows. I'm doing it on linux
 
@Ell you got a public repo for this?
 
Xeo
C'mon, that guy works at Intel, and uses ICC. He clearly just rewrote the compiler to do what he wants, and the actual code is shit.
 
10:36 PM
Every day I'm on meta, they delete a tag.
 
Ell
@thecoshman Not the linux version no (cos my code is shit & I can't use git) but bartek has the windows one on a repo
 
@Ell care to link
 
Ell
I've been committing my stuff, but I can't do it in logical chunks really, there are just lots of hacks
kk, gimme a sec
 
Oct 9 '12 at 1:02, by sehe
@StackedCrooked In order of appearance: http://tilaa.nl, http://linode.com and http://yourhosting.nl
The yourhosting one is currently running mindcraft and costs €10/mo
 
user142019
I want to abstract my database queries.
 
@sehe damn they seem expensive... says the man who is having problems with his cheap hosting
 
@Zoidberg You should invent an abstract data query language, then.
 
user142019
Wait I know what I will do.
 
@Zoidberg Invent an abstract data query language?
 
user142019
Nololwat.
 
10:40 PM
@Ell ah, is it just an openGL engine he is working on. what windowing stuff you using?
 
Ell
@thecoshman yeah, then the latter a minecraft clone. I'm using sfml for windowing
 
@Ell glew, it's even in the name man
 
Ell
@thecoshman glew? glew isn't windowing
 
@Ell no, but it is still ew. glload is better
ok my server is wankered
 
@thecoshman what are you paying?
 
Ell
10:43 PM
hah oh, well glew is simple xD. glewInit(); but all I have done so far is compile and run it on linux, bartek has done all the programming, I've just compiled on linux
 
@sehe 10 a month
 
@StackedCrooked learned what?
 
Her butt is a crocodile.
(Literal translation.)
 
I see o_0
any hoops... I best get away from infuriatingly shit connections
night peeps
 
10:51 PM
@Zoidberg So?
 
Ell
meh mouse sort of works, enough xD
 
posted on February 20, 2013 by Eric Battalio

Last time, I wrote a C++ program to count words in text files. This time, write some code to calculate the motion of an object as an excuse to create a class, use function pointers and mess with some new containers. Thanks to my colleagues Ale Contenti and Andy Rich for providing the inspiration and original Simple Physics Calculator application, James McNellis for reviewing drafts and providi

 
@EtiennedeMartel seems a noisy site. closes real quick :)
 
Nothing special besides PS4 being announced
With possibilities of F2P games
 
user142019
 
user142019
But it works! :D
 
user142019
Needs moar yield return but doesn't work well with async.
 
11:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Eh. What's the benefit to "live"?
 
@DeadMG You get the details quicker.
 
@Zoidberg Where are your documenting comments?
 
but they'll still be identical ten hours from now
and there's no use to which you can put them
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit watfu
 
@DeadMG To the consumer? Precisely none.
 
11:17 PM
Apparently it has a 32-bit CPU and 8 GB RAM
They haven't specified much about the GPU yet except the common ambiguities
 
a 32bit CPU but 8GB RAM?
that's not so helpful
 
ikr
 
Ell
I think gaming PCs will take over eventually
Esp. As consoles are becoming like another pc anyway, just with set specs
 
>implying they haven't already
 
Ell
But I guess a set of specs that devs can design toward is key
 
11:20 PM
@Rapptz All we know is that it's a x86.
 
GDDR5 eh
 
I was at a carrier fair last week, and I was presented with the question: "What is the difference between Java and C++?"
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
Everything.
 
user142019
And C++ is actually interesting.
 
11:24 PM
@Nican "the difference"? Singular?
 
woo social crap yaay
 
user142019
PS4 is over-powered.
 
@melak47 lol that was my thought the entire time
 
user142019
But still.
 
user142019
Future MGSes will be for PS4 so I'll need one.
 
user142019
11:29 PM
(Xbox is terrible.)
 
fuckcocksticks
I've been super busy all week and haven't written a single line of code for Wide in days.
 
user142019
Now's your chance!
 
There are new Metal Gear Solid games?
O_o
 
and then tomorrow I am fucking off to hospital
 
user142019
> Future MGSes
 
11:30 PM
@Rapptz There always is.
 
Ell
@zoid why you need console for games? Why not pc?
 
user142019
Good luck running MGS on a PC.
 
@Nican Correct answer: They are not perl.
 
user142019
Oh well, PS4 emulator maybe, but I don't have no PC that can handle that.
 
Ell
Also I cant seem to get live stream to work on mobile :(
Also I don't know what mgs stands for
 
user142019
11:30 PM
Metal Gear Solid
 
@Zoidberg I can figure type inference for self-recursive functions, but not for mutually-recursive ones.
 
@Zoidberg You serious?
If you try to emulate it, sure.
That's an awful way to go about doing it
 
user142019
@Rapptz yes good luck buying a PC that can run a PS4 emulator.
 
user142019
If you don't have the same architecture you cannot virtualize it.
 
@Zoidberg WTF are you smoking?
people emulate different architectures all the time.
 
user142019
11:32 PM
Oxygen.
 
user142019
@DeadMG yes emulate.
 
@DeadMG mutually-recursive? Care to show?
 
user142019
Not run natively.
 
@Zoidberg He didn't suggest run natively, he said emulate.
 
user142019
That's what I meant by "virtualize".
 
Ell
11:33 PM
@zoidberg but ps4 is x86?
 
user142019
Seriously? Cool.
 
@CaptainGiraffe f1(int i) { if (i < 0) return f2(i); return 1; } f2(int i) { if (i > 0) return f1(i); return 2; }
 
Ell
I heard Etienne say anyway, unless I'm making it up accidentally
 
user142019
Still, buying a PS4 will probably be cheaper. xD
 
@Zoidberg So basically, he suggested "emulate" and you randomly jumped to virtualization anyway?
 
11:34 PM
ZoidFail++?
 
user142019
@DeadMG It was a side-note. Not an argument or anything.
 
@DeadMG Termination is complex there.
 
@Zoidberg lol playstation has never had cheap launch prices.
 
user142019
@Rapptz who cares about launch prices.
 
@CaptainGiraffe The actual run-time logic doesn't matter.
it's just an example of how the deduced type is mutually dependent
 
Xeo
11:35 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Eh, not really. It will return a value after 2 comparisions max.
 
@DeadMG Yes, my snake-brain didn't route through my real brain, before typing the reply. And no not considering the sample given, but any real example.
 
user142019
Stupid marketer.
 
lol their remote play requires a Vita
 
a Vita
Self explanatory
 
@sehe What else would it be? A PlayStation Vita, you know, the handheld console for Sony in this generation.
It's understandable if you don't follow it though
 
11:39 PM
@Rapptz Oh. Once again I'm behind
I don't follow games, let alone consoles (I hacked my Wii though; kids hardly play it)
 
I have a problem that for me is a mix between very interesting and somewhat embarrassing. It is an insertion sort implementation that works but does not express O(N*N) behaviour for random input.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do not recall. The problem persists.
 
It is O(N*N*sqrt(N) )
I'm beggin for clues where that Sqrt N comes from.
 
@CaptainGiraffe How have you concluded that? What sizes have you tested at? What have you done to account for caching?
 
@JerryCoffin I have tested, let me upload graphs, I did a parallell test with my own array based insertion sort. Wich of course was N*N.
@JerryCoffin The code is at ideone.com/cmvEBQ . First one is the linked list code. The second one is the vector based one.
The complete working code is at ideone.com/VfeKP8
 
11:46 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Does it help if you realize it's N^2.5?
(I'm guessing: no)
 
@sehe It should not be, I have fitted it to be.
@sehe I intended it to be N*N
 
user142019
m_Input = new InputClass;
if(!m_Input)
{
    return false;
}
 
user142019
^ lolwat
 
ewww pathetic shitty C-style linked-list.
 
user142019
RasterTek y u C++-11.
 
11:47 PM
can someone tell about the best framework for c++ to create simple game quickly
 
@DeadMG I got asked by a student wich was faster, he contended a linked list, I wanted to show him no.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Could simply have just used std::list.
 
@DeadMG No, he was not used to that.
 
then fix that first
 
@DeadMG The students knowledge about std::list?
 
user142019
11:49 PM
Use std::vector problem solved.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Well, it's quicker to say "Here's a Standard linked list class" than to teach them to roll their own shitty C-style linked list.
 
@DeadMG I'm not teaching them linked lists, I'm doing insertion sort. complexity analysis His previous experience has been with shitty pointers and other shitty this I cannot change.
 
k well this stream went to shit like 20 minutes ago
no price announced or anything special
 
Xeo
1>stuff.h(29): error C2665: 'stuff::foo::foo' : none of the 2 overloads could convert all the argument types
1>          stuff.h(49): could be 'stuff::foo:foo(std::_List_const_iterator<_Mylist>,std::string)'
1>          with
1>          [
1>              _Mylist=std::_List_val<std::_List_simple_types<std::pair<const std::string,stuff::function_type>>>
1>          ]
1>          while trying to match the argument list '(std::_List_iterator<_Mylist>, std::basic_string<_Elem,_Traits,_Alloc>)'
ITT, MSVC screwing with me. :|
(also, it never shows a second overload)
 
user142019
Is RasterTek really a good set of tutorials? The C++ code is FUBAR.
 
11:52 PM
@Xeo Elemn, Traits, Alloc not going to be the same, I'd guess.
 
lol. that final exam I took last week without having slept, studied or a clue I got a better grade on than the preliminary one in the first half of the semester, when I actually knew what stuff was about ._.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Both parameter and arguments are std::string.
 
@DeadMG You should be curious about the N*N*Sqrt N behaviour
 
Xeo
1>          and
1>          [
1>              _Elem=char,
1>              _Traits=std::char_traits<char>,
1>              _Alloc=std::allocator<char>
1>          ]
 
@CaptainGiraffe Well, I'm really kinda not.
 
11:53 PM
@DeadMG NP, thanks anyways.
 
Xeo
Oooh
I fail. :(
 
@Xeo So what's new?
 
@Zoidberg hm, idk if they are good, but they are relatively concise if you need a quick example of how to get crap working
 
Ell
McDonald's burgers are pathetically small
 
Also PS4 is not backwards compatible with PS3.
 
11:56 PM
@Ell Nobody goes to McDonalds for the high quality of the food served.
 
Ell
But they don't even fill you up :'(
 
@DeadMG Everybody goes to McDonalds for the high
 
Xeo
I have to admit I like their Sundaes, though.
 
@Ell Eat two BigMacs, that's what I do.
it's the chips/McFlurry/Coke that's really bad.
 
Ell
Of late I've been addicted to fast food. I love the taste! I never used to eat fast food often, besides fish and chips
Now I just eat eat eat all the fast food!
 
11:58 PM
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No problem!
 
user142019
lol
 
ITT Ell's getting fat? :p
 
well
the Horrific Stomach Pain helps keep me away from some foods I shouldn't eat.
but too few :(
 
did you get checked for what I mentioned?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha
 
11:59 PM
on which note I'm going to a gall-bladder-scanning session tomorrow
@Rapptz What, Heliobacter?
 
yes
 

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