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9:00 PM
@BartoszKP I can banhammer it into submission :/
 
hi
 
<hold breath/>
 
@visDEVion hi
 
@sehe Seems like now you have a bigger problem approaching :P
 
9:01 PM
Not really. Let's keep it simple
 
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Java Sucks!

JavaScript Sucks!
 
1 hour ago, by dorafmon
its so unfriendly
 
@DeadMG Perhaps these, or (if you insist on buying British) these.
 
> "speaker inspired drivers"
no kidding
 
9:07 PM
I'm more of the "cheap and robust" kind of guy.
rather than the audiophile
 
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Holy shit.
 
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I’m out of krupuk.
 
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I should try shrimps in non-krupuk forms.
 
All right, time to unfreeze the GIANT PIZZA ;0
 
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9:12 PM
Fondue
 
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Ja. :3
 
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Shrimp fondue.
 
Gf made Osso Bucco tonight, nice autumn food imo.
 
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Hipster Instagram effect 8/10 would eat.
 
9:14 PM
: D
 
@sehe Any excuse to remind people of things like these.
 
@not-rightfold hard to see behind the vegetables, her's looked more like this
 
@not-rightfold a bit small though
 
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I’m going to slaughter a pig tomorrow.
 
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@JohanLarsson watermark in bottom right 2/10 would dismiss as “inedible.”
 
9:17 PM
not sure what that means
 
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@BartoszKP that’s what she said.
 
@not-rightfold :DDD
 
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@JohanLarsson You should also try magic mushrooms.
 
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And old Dutch saying says they’re good.
 
@JerryCoffin You have them?
 
9:20 PM
@JerryCoffin urg. too ugly conspicuous for my taste. I don't mind how well they sound
 
@JohanLarsson I considered buying 801's at one time, but never did. Between marriage and age (ears no longer so good) it's extremely doubtful I ever well.
 
@not-rightfold I was 18 once...
 
And only once
 
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If and only if I were 18…
 
@sehe Only James Bond managed it twice.
 
9:22 PM
@sehe You seem to be now 18 for the second time :P
 
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@JerryCoffin #yolt
 
> Agent 007 and the Japanese secret service ninja force
 
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The Origin of the Feces has the best album cover ever.
2
 
clearly, all Japanese intelligence personnel must be ninjas.
 
@BartoszKP strange. feels ... different
 
9:25 PM
@not-rightfold I prefer Bloody Kisses, but suit yourself ;0
@sehe : D
 
To play DotA 2 or not to play DotA 2.
 
@JerryCoffin I've been checking out Sonus Faber Cremona a bit, like the design. Will probably never buy cos too lazy and cheap.
 
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And I don’t mean the alternative album cover that depicts The Dance of Death by Michael Wolgemut.
 
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@BartoszKP sexy
 
@not-rightfold These two combined are probably behind the famous and disgusting meme ; D
 
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9:30 PM
Gravity is the only song of that album I kinda like.
 
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The rest is pretty boring.
 
@not-rightfold too "disco" for my taste, when I turn them on I expect the "doomish nostalgic" atmosphere
 
@JohanLarsson I've listened to some Sonus Faber's at times. They always sounded good, but not (to me) good enough to justify the price.
@BartoszKP Of course, depending on viewpoint, James wasn't the only one.
I turn 18 every year -- just in a different number base.
10
 
:DDD
 
I turn 18 degrees every year
Degrees ain't radians
 
9:39 PM
yeah just realized while afk
 
boost implementation is weird.
and it doesn't work with VC++2013 =(
it seems that BOOST_MPL_ASSERT doesn't use static_assert and it's broken
 
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I want to eat squid.
 
@not-rightfold it probably wants to eat you too
 
user1804599
Those funky flying Minecraft squid.
 
BOOST_MPL_CFG_NO_HAS_XXX - I can't parse it. what is "no has"? was it written by a cat?
 
9:45 PM
In Clean Code's episode 20 in an intro Martin materializes in a Minecraft world as the Dr Who and K9 says something like : "warning, too low resolution for human life"
@ScottW Hi
 
@Abyx Keep going! This is amusing
 
Someone who uses Maven tell me how to set a default package for a source folder (i.e. I want src/ to be com.example.foo, without making src/com/example/foo)
Maybe stock javac can't do it
 
@ScottW It's gonna be long days listening to that...
I resent that the sound deepness is shallow due to all the synths. Minimal, okay. Absentminded, not so ok.
 
almost burnt my giant pizza :| was supposed to take it out of the oven at 23:46 but I've set the clock to ring at 22:46 ;0000
 
10:02 PM
... giant cock up
 
@BartoszKP no ;p
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit all right : D
 
but only cos I was quick off the mark when I saw the top half of a picture showing a woman getting assfucked
 
: DD
@LightnessRacesinOrbit seems you're good at quick identification of women getting assfucked ;000
 
@BartoszKP I am
 
10:09 PM
How would one define "liking" math?
 
Ell
Enjoying doing it
 
@Pawnguy7 getting a boner when seeing an equation?
 
Ell
solving equations, or whatever bit if it
 
taking pleasure in working with maths
 
I seem to be fine after I have learned something, but I seem to have difficulty picking things up.
 
10:09 PM
going "ah that equation was fun and satisfying! give me another, sir!"
 
And word problems are the worst :\
In some ways I would say yes.
For example, if there were a trivia show for solving basic order of operations things.
Or, say, "if we drive this fast this far away, how many gallons did we use."
But when I see these massive word problems, my brain turns off :\
Why might that be?
 
@Pawnguy7 maybe just lack of practice
@Pawnguy7 you have no practice -> you suck at it -> you dislike it -> you avoid it -> you have no practice
 
I think you are onto something.
 
@Pawnguy7 :D no this time I'm serious
 
So was I?
Probably also explains why me and Haskell didn't get along well :D
 
10:15 PM
@Pawnguy7 oh, sorry, misunderstood the "being onto something" phrase
 
@BartoszKP drugs? :D
 
@Pawnguy7 :D I wish. Just poor English :)
 
My attempts at learning other languages was more than poor. Downright terrible.
Probably for the same reason, yet again.
 
@Pawnguy7 Nowadays not a big problem maybe? English is almost everywhere
 
Is a $100K job hard to get in the US or UK?
 
10:19 PM
@GamesBrainiac Much harder in the UK. They tend to pay in pounds rather than dollars...
 
Ell
Yes
if it was easy it wouldn't pay that much now would it? :P
 
@JerryCoffin lol. So 100K is hard to get.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
I thought 100K jobs were easy to get for tech guys in the US.
 
lol
 
10:20 PM
@BartoszKP True. Still, I would think you are more accomplished if you learned it not natively.
@GamesBrainiac based on?
 
@Pawnguy7 Still much to improve. And you can use your brain powers for other, more constructive tasks : )
 
@Pawnguy7 Based on the fact that 40K is considered starting salary.
 
@GamesBrainiac Here, if you have a degree in CS from a decent college, you can probably get a $100K/year job in Silicon valley pretty easily -- but be aware that housing (especially) is expensive enough there that $100K will not support a particularly luxurious lifestyle.
 
Does anyone know, if I buy the micro plan on Github, will any private repositories become public when I stop paying the subscription fee?
 
@JerryCoffin Ahh, that makes sense. Like in NY 250K is not much. Because living is damn expensive.
 
10:23 PM
@PaulManta on bitbucket you can have as many private repos as you want
 
> Tip: Repositories are never made public nor automatically deleted when an account is locked.
As I understand it, they remain private, but unaccessable.
I would look into it though.
 
Just use Bitbucket
 
@GamesBrainiac Yes -- even higher in NY than San Jose (but higher still in London).
 
@BartoszKP But limited to five people. We happen to be six.
 
@JerryCoffin I see. Well, I wanted to work at KhanAcademy, and they offer a 100K starting salary.
 
10:24 PM
@PaulManta oh, all right, didn't know that. I use it for my personal projects.
 
I thought that was a lot of money.
A kid asked me, what was the best way to learn code.
And I answered, "From a Teacher you respect"
 
@PaulManta No, that'd be extremely dumb
 
@CatPlusPlus We cannot outrule the numbers of idiots, though. You never know.
 
@GamesBrainiac good, kung fu style answer : )
 
@BartoszKP I knows ^^ :P
But srsly, if you have a genuine teacher, you can't go wrong. They become a second parent to you.
 
10:28 PM
@Pawnguy7 GitHub is run by fairly competent people
 
S G
New way to learn codeacademy.com
 
People, just use BitBucket, it won't kill you.
 
@GamesBrainiac exactly, that's why in Chinese kung fu Si Fu has two meanings - a master or a father
 
That is good, considering is probably has several incompetent users such as myself :D
 
@GamesBrainiac I'd consider that a decent/fair starting salary.
 
10:30 PM
@BartoszKP TIL: Si Fu has two meanings :D
 
@GamesBrainiac :DD
 
@JerryCoffin I thought so too. I mean, I don't want much, just a nice cozy home will do just fine for me.
 
You won't be immediately rich, but (unless you do something stupid) you won't starve either.
 
I understand paying more due to living cost, but what causes extra money to come in based on location?
Do things sell more in these locations as well?
 
S G
@Pawnguy
 
10:32 PM
@JerryCoffin I just want a good couple of PCs, and thats really it. But I think things will change when it comes to getting married.
 
S G
*Demand and supply
 
@Pawnguy7 Somewhat, yes. It's not quite as bad in Mountain View as in (say) San Francisco (where a burger and fries for lunch will typically cost $10-15).
 
@JerryCoffin 10-15. Thats bloody murder.
10 dollars is something like 800 taka, and you could go to a top notch all you can eat buffet with that here in Dhaka.
 
@JerryCoffin lol :| in Poland you can eat 5 good dinners for this : D
 
@GamesBrainiac Well, it will be a good (and quite large) burger, but yeah, it's steep.
 
10:33 PM
@not-rightfold that twoten fibonacci wasn't very modern c++ :/
 
S G
MbBurger costs 2$ in Bangalore
 
@BartoszKP I loved the vietnamese stalls in Poland, they had some awesome food.
 
Good to know
 
@GamesBrainiac yea, some do. If you know which ones you are safe : D
 
@SG I demand a supply
 
10:35 PM
@sehe ... of MJ.
 
A forest the size of Belgium is felled every year to produce the world's unread instruction manuals.
 
S G
@sehe Sure, will fedex some McCheeseburgers your way :)
 
What is up with this room and belgium
 
@GamesBrainiac tell me if you figure out
 
@Pawnguy7 Vice versa
 
10:38 PM
Belgium has a true Pirate Party
 
@GamesBrainiac Many of the regular participants are either in or from Belgium.
 
"many". Two?
 
@JerryCoffin So its a hostile takeover.
 
@GamesBrainiac @Pawnguy7 tell me if one of you figures it out ; 0
 
@sehe More than that (at least three!)
 
10:39 PM
Hmm, I'll ask the other Bartek when he comes along if he'd like to do a Polish hostile takeover then ;00
 
@JerryCoffin Oooh. Gross underestimation then
@BartoszKP Not just him
@codinghorror they were still fresh.
@R.MartinhoFernandes so much win
 
@sehe 50% low!
 
lol : D
 
@JerryCoffin Damn statistics
 
@sehe That's already happened (many times).
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
 
10:44 PM
Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics
 
@JerryCoffin Have cookie. You cracked my code
@BartoszKP Guns don't kill yada yada yada
 
@sehe a bit more complicated from a philosophical point of view :P
 
My Mac is dying.
The topbar just disappeared for 5 minutes today.
Anyway. Evening everybody.
 
I've just eaten a giant pizza. I'm going to puke ;E
 
Sounds useful
 
10:49 PM
@Jefffrey Good eveninngngnghblueuueueuer. Excuse my vomit, it's the pizza being a bit too big for me
 
Evening to you too, puker. :)
 
AbstractAnnotationConfigDispatcherServletInitializer
 
Just had 5 minute power outage. My internets left me :(
 
I love Spring already
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, Java at it's finest ;0
 
10:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus is that real?
 
@Jefffrey Yes
 
@CatPlusPlus And it's only October
@Jefffrey He really loves Spring
 
IIRC in Java3D you need to create a Universe before you can display anything
 
I'm expecting AbstractAnnotationConfigDispatcherServletInitializerManagerInterfaceBase to be there as well.
 
@BartoszKP Only sensible. No need to pollute someone else's universe with your garbage
 
10:52 PM
and AbstractAnnotationConfigDispatcherServletInitializerManagerBaseFactoryProxyDeco‌​ratorConfig
 
@Jefffrey you downloaded a dino pic.
 
@BartoszKP MY EYES! Oh, it burns.
@Jefffrey circletacular?
 
@sehe true. And this gives you flexibility to create worlds, with scenes, with curtains, and finally, possibly, with 3d objects
 
@GamesBrainiac I love dinos. (that dino is the one that appears when chrome cannot connect to the internet)
@Pawnguy7 lol
 
@Jefffrey Me too. I love food too.
@Jefffrey JAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVVVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
10:54 PM
@BartoszKP don't be silly: Config is repeated twice there :P
 
@Jefffrey It's a meta-Config. It gives you flexibility to configure the proper Config before you load it
 
lol
 
I still remember bartek ranting over the class BulletManager
lol
 
I still remember writing it.
 
So much power. Who can resist.
But, is it enterprise-ready?
 
10:58 PM
@sehe :DDD. Right. Probably some beans are missing
 
@Pawnguy7 Here's the exit
 
Holy shit
 
Ell
Ahh painful ulcer
Need to sleep earlier
 
Sometimes I lie awake and ask,"Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me,"This is going to take more than one night." -Charlie Brown
@CatPlusPlus Okay
 
Ell
11:04 PM
In facf
Goodnight!
 
I guess I forgot about something...?
 
@Ell goodnight
 
@CatPlusPlus It's a SEVERE exception, obviously
 
It is in fact caused by wrong javaee-api version
 
Adult privilege is being able to decide your diet for yourself.
 
11:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Chocolate for every meal of the day.
 
Kids these days.
 
@Nican seefood diet.
 
a giant pizza every evening till you puke ;0
 
3 obscure errors later, it works!
 
Is it terrible?
 
11:18 PM
I'm not doing any Java webdev ever again
 
You're a sane man ;_;
Then again, you chose programming as a career, so I'm skeptical
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun He learned from Bill Gates. At one time he had plans to rule a vast programming empire. Since then, he's had to cut his plans by half, so he rules a half-vast programming empire.
 
@JerryCoffin And all I have is a programming cave. Population: 1 ;_;
And that's assuming I count as a whole person
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I suspect there's a bit of a "whoosh" there...
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun False
 
11:36 PM
@Pawnguy7 github.com/Pawnguy7/Snake/blob/master/Snake%204/Utility/… Still putting everything into a class now, are we? <:
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I stole that from Bartek, actually.
If you have suggestions how to make it better, I will consider them.
 
I don't see why that's a functor
 
@Pawnguy7 Isn't an implementation being in header going to be inline anyway, regardless of the inline keyword?
 
Why did you make your own exceptions not derive from std::exception?
@BartoszKP Yes, the inline is ignored.
 
Because it was an exceptional case ;D
 
11:41 PM
@BartoszKP I just learned that like three days ago.
 
: ))
 
I am still pretty sure when I started in C++ it caused redefinition without though.
Not sure how that can be, considering how long it has been standardized.
 
@Pawnguy7 don't worry, when I've shown a library I'm using at my project I was nearly eaten alive here. Will think twice before I'll show my code ; D
 
In the interest of spoiling a lazy programmer: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b28876eaf18082ef (but no, I've not got much of a clue what this does) — sehe 32 secs ago
I'm bad. I should feel bad.
I just can't stand that I don't know what the algorithm should do.
Good night
 
@Rapptz I believe that advice came from the Puppy.
 
11:43 PM
That seems unlike him.
Use std::cerr for errors, not std::cout.
 
Well, make my own exceptions anyway. I wasn't sure what deriving from std::exception would do.
@Rapptz I left in cout debugging?
 
Deriving from std::exception allows you to catch the exceptions with catch (std::exception& e)
(If needed)
 
It does. But what would I do? All it has is what().
Whereas with mine, I know exactly what.
 
Do you know how to use std::exception classes?
 
11:44 PM
@Rapptz Ah. I don't plan to error handle like that, it is temporary.
@Rapptz not really, no.
I recently learned, not like this:
 
Usually you should know exactly what to catch. However in several cases, like the fair top level of an application, or a background agent of some sort you want to catch really EVERYTHING that's possible
 
The what string is the string you use to construct it.
 
"throw std::exception("error")
 
std::logic_error("This happened")
 
Yes, but.
 
@Pawnguy7 std::exception is a base class. Use the pre-defined ones or make your own by inheriting from it.
 
What am I going to DO with that string?
 
You have all these exceptions
 
Isn't a logic error compile time?
Like assert?
 
No all exceptions are run-time
 
11:46 PM
> And because the application also depends on Spring MVC (spring-webmvc.jar), a Spring MVC DispatcherServlet is configured and registered for you — no web.xml necessary!
But I NEED web.xml so how about you tell me how to fucking make it
 
@Rapptz with the exception of ICE's?
 
@Rapptz define logic error
 
@sehe Well I meant user thrown exceptions.
 
@Rapptz I was contributing a bad pun
 
@Pawnguy7 It's an example.
lol
 
11:48 PM
I know there is runtime_error.
 
bad_argument
invalid_programmer
 
I like to throw std::future_error in the first line of my program and call it "foresight" or "defensive programming"
5
 
What am I going to do with the string?
 
7 mins ago, by sehe
Good night
 
11:50 PM
Say, "The font is missing."
 
@Pawnguy7 you wear it to the beach, silly
 
If you catch the exception, you can access it with e.what()
 
@Pawnguy7 What are you going to do with your case?
 
@Pawnguy7 "The font is missing."
 
and do whatever the fuck you want with it
 
11:51 PM
@sehe lol
 
@Pawnguy7 You could be more descriptive.
 
@Rapptz example?
 
@BartoszKP Yay for successful reply-to-specific-message
 
@Pawnguy7 you show it to the user, and let him worry ;0
 
I'm not here to teach you English man.
 
11:52 PM
@BartoszKP then I can check the case, and show the error.
 
@sehe given enough time even my dog catches up ; )
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I see assertion there.
That means you failed.
Something that can be fixed.
 
@Pawnguy7 You can do throw std::runtime_error("An error occurred: Failed to load font " + font_name + " in " + other_info) etc
 
@Pawnguy7 Because assertion is in the string
 
11:53 PM
So it never happens again.
 
It's only an example
Also, this assertion could not be made on compile time. It's an assertion about the consistency of the state of the object
 
I'm going to go back to playing video games.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I am saying, it is a problem in the code. It doesn't randomly break when used unless you left a bug in it.
So, you are saying.
 
@Pawnguy7 Look.
 
Derive from std::runtime_exception
 
11:55 PM
I am saying absolutely nothing.
 
I'm just saying your exceptions are useless.
 
If I derive from std::runtime_exception, will it make you happy?
 
It will make future you happy
 
:)))
 
I'm not upset, plus you already derived from std::exception apparently.
 
11:56 PM
I did?
 
@Pawnguy7 ♥
 
I happen to be eating at the moment.
 
Cause should probably be public.
 
@Pawnguy7 boost.org/community/error_handling.html (however, boost exception doesn't follow all those: boost.org/doc/libs/1_54_0/libs/exception/doc/…)
 
11:58 PM
Could work as a const.
Feels odd though.
 

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