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3:00 PM
FUCK SAKE 50% packet loss is this afghanistan or what
 
user784668
@NolwennLeGuen France?
 
just shitty sysadmins
 
@NolwennLeGuen did you mean Fo Fuk's Sake?
 
Yes
It's hilarious
 
3:02 PM
"watching cat videos"
 
user142019
I'd also do that if I had a Java or PHP job.
 
Of course if he were smart he'd route the connection through his home PC
 
user142019
Oh the joy of shellscripting.
 
user784668
@Zoidberg Shell sucks on *nixes.
 
user142019
I should use Python for this instead.
 
user784668
3:04 PM
@Zoidberg Good choice if you value your sanity.
 
user142019
Even Perl is better than sh.
 
user142019
I hope Bash supports heredocs.
 
user784668
@Zoidberg It does.
 
user142019
Cool.
 
user142019
3:06 PM
echo <<EOF
hello
EOF > foo.txt
 
user142019
I hope that works.
 
user142019
No fuck it doesn't. ;_; I need a variable.
 
const Foo& f = someFoo; doesn't make much sense to have const here, no?
 
user784668
Is there an option for mkdir that makes it create a directory with non-defaults permissions?
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion Const correctness squared.
 
3:08 PM
@TonyTheLion depends on what you do with it?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion What is someFoo and what do you plan on doing with f?
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion it is required if someFoo is const.
 
@Xeo some function get's called on f that's const
 
user142019
That doesn't matter.
 
Xeo
Why even bother with f?
 
user142019
3:09 PM
Promotion is non-const-to-const, not const-to-non-const.
 
actually it's someFoo is a return value from a const function
member function
const Foo& f = blah.SomeConstFooReturnFunction();
is more what it says
 
Xeo
auto& f = blah.xxx(); // ♪
 
meh. Use auto& in this case (assuming you want a reference, of the correct type)
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion auto&&
 
Xeo
Man, I'm so happy to be able to use ♪ and ♫ again, since I didn't change to Japanese locale at work.
 
3:11 PM
@Xeo Wut.
The fuck you smoking.
 
Xeo
:D
I've been deprived of them on my home PC for so long!
 
Cause you use Japanese Locale?
 
Xeo
Aye, for my Visual Novels
 
I should change my nick to TTL
 
Xeo
lol, why?
 
3:15 PM
for fun
 
Xeo
Didn't you read The Lounge Agreements™? Says you can't just change your nick or avatar for fun.
 
I can do whatever the fuck I want
 
Don't worry TTL, Xeo is not on the Council.
 
who is?
 
Tis secret.
 
3:17 PM
cause I wasn't ever invited
ffs, no secrets in this lounge
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion Nobody was, that's the friggin' point.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would you know whether I am or not? Are you on the council?
 
@Xeo I will deny everything.
 
Xeo
Fact is, nobody's on the council except who's on the council.
 
user784668
3:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you a robot?
 
Xeo
And they know.
 
The ape is surely on it. :P
 
Yesterday he admitted that he makes me get drunk on purpose!
 
Bastard!
 
Xeo
Guys, how about you join me here in Oberhausen for an evening? :D
 
3:21 PM
@Xeo I'd join you, but too far
 
@Xeo Erm. No.
I like Berlin.
 
user784668
@Xeo Nowai.
 
Friends are useful, aren't they?
 
Xeo
Btw @R.MartinhoFernandes, I got a double-session D&D this weekend. 'tis going to be fun. :)
 
@Xeo Are you trying to convince me or something? FWIW, I don't really like D&D much.
 
Xeo
3:23 PM
No, I was just throwing that out randomly.
 
3.5 was fun when we started, though.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes The only thing I like in Berlin are highways. They allow me to give that city a wide berth.
 
user784668
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Q: Why does this `auto` not automatically turn into "`const`"

Dennis RitchieThe more I learn C++, the more I have come to realize that so far (almost; see below) everything in it basically just makes sense. I find that I don't really have to learn any rules by heart because everything behaves as expected. So the main thing becomes to actually understand the concepts, and...

 
user784668
Is that because 42 is an int, so auto& is int&?
 
oh many, another hour till I get to run home :(
 
user142019
3:28 PM
@Fanael The rules are the same as for template argument deduction.
 
user784668
@Zoidberg Are they? Oh.
 
user142019
At least, that's what people told me back in January 2012.
 
Why would they be different
 
user142019
ALSO JAVA CLASS IS TERRIBLE AND BORING.
 
Xeo
@Fanael Close votes.
 
3:30 PM
All Java classes are terrible and boring
 
@Zoidberg You are terrible
 
@Fanael Yeah, pretty much (as this is C++ there is one tiny exception or something)
 
user784668
@Xeo Voted.
 
@Borgleader ... and boring.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes {...}
Which is going to get fixed in C++Next.
And you can actually return {...} in a lambda then, and get an std::initializer_list.
 
user142019
3:31 PM
@Borgleader I disagree wholeheartedly.
 
@Zoidberg You are terrible, your opinion is invalid.
 
user142019
@Borgleader I disagree wholeheartedly.
 
user784668
@Xeo Then what is the type of auto x = {whatever}?
 
Xeo
@Fanael std::initializer_list.
But foo({...}) where foo is a function template is currently an error.
 
class terrible : public boring {};
 
user784668
3:33 PM
@Xeo Oh.
 
so far Erlang seems simple enough... let's see how long this lasts...
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion So now terrible is-a boring?
 
@thecoshman I'll give it a week
 
@TonyTheLion Class is terrible when the public is boring?
 
@Fanael yes, d'uh
 
user784668
3:34 PM
@TonyTheLion Terrible OOP.
 
@TonyTheLion you think I can stick to this for a week? woah... it might happen
 
@thecoshman lol
I can never think what problem domain I'd like to work in when looking for a job
 
Not that I have a short
@TonyTheLion not this job?
 
@thecoshman what?
 
@TonyTheLion your domain, anything that is not this job
 
3:37 PM
lol
 
@TonyTheLion Porn?
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion Prawns?
 
@TonyTheLion Pawn?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmmm, but it's all webstuff prolly. Unless I can get a backend job.
2
 
@TonyTheLion zing!
 
3:38 PM
@TonyTheLion Is that a pun?
 
@Fanael what kind of a domain is that?
 
@TonyTheLion If he likes it from behind it is
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I noted a pun, but was not intended
 
@TonyTheLion a fishy one
 
Prawns are not fish.
 
3:39 PM
Prawns are aliens
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes THEY ARE CLOSE ENOUGH
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's fishery nevertheless.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh now everything in my life suddenly makes sense
thanks @CatPlusPlus
 
@thecoshman Your Shift key broke.
 
user142019
Stupid libgit2 y u CMake.
 
user784668
3:41 PM
@Zoidberg You'd rather deal with autohell?
 
user142019
Better than CMake.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
can we turn the robot of?
 
The robot of what? Doom?
 
Of robotness
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes The robot of robot of robot of robot of robot of robot.
 
3:42 PM
The Badass Robot of Badassitude.
 
9> [1,2,3] -- [1,2] -- [3].
[3]
10> [1,2,3] -- [1,2] -- [2].
[2,3]
o_0
Erlang...
 
user784668
@thecoshman Associativity.
 
right
 
Yes, it's right-associative.
 
it makes sense... but my lord is that going to hard to get used to
'makes sense' as in, I can cope with it
 
user142019
3:44 PM
> The list subtraction operator -- produces a list which is a copy of the first argument, subjected to the following procedure: for each element in the second argument, the first occurrence of this element (if any) is removed.
 
I doubt you will use that often.
 
user142019
> The complexity of A -- B is proportional to length(A)*length(B), meaning that it will be very slow if both A and B are long lists.
 
user142019
lolz
 
at least in the porn industry, NSFW will be meaningless
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion What about gore?
 
user784668
3:45 PM
@thecoshman Trying to get used to calling >>= a right shift is harder.
 
user142019
In the gore porn industry?
 
@Xeo rule 34
 
@TonyTheLion r/spacedicks is NSFW in any industry
 
Xeo
Also, clothed people?
 
@TonyTheLion actually, in the porn industry NSFW is horrific
 
user784668
3:45 PM
@Xeo Al Gore is NSFeverything.
 
user142019
@Fanael lol
 
@thecoshman NSFL?
 
@TonyTheLion worse I would imagine
 
@Borgleader man, bad memories. :(
 
user142019
There are far worse things than /r/spacedicks.
 
3:46 PM
@Zoidberg it's bad enough for me having seen it only for a split second, not to ever want to contemplate anything worse
 
user784668
@Zoidberg Yes. Here's an example of such thing: .
 
TIL: PHP < r/spacedicks
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion PHP < *
 
user784668
Including PHP < PHP.
 
PHP is the r/spacedicks of programming languages, Java is r/cringe
 
3:48 PM
ohhh, just noticed there's no Java devs in this room, I suddenly feel a lot better
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion I wrote one program in Java.
 
I wrote none
 
What's r/spacedicks?
 
I looked at it and barfed
 
Don't bother linking me to it, I don't want to know.
 
3:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dare you (very NSFW)
 
user784668
That program's purpose was to see if it's possible to call C# from Java through JNI and C++/CLI.
 
@TonyTheLion actually, I sadly count
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I double dare you motherfucker
 
We should burn the pirate at the stake.
 
user784668
Firefox y u need a one restart per each updated plugin?
 
3:50 PM
Lol /r/spacedicks actually made me laugh... this is fun!
 
oh gawd.
 
And what
 
what
what's for what? Cat
also, Y U NO LINK REPLIES???
 
user784668
Also Firefox gz for implementing per-window p0rn mode.
 
3:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am pirate not a witch, the proper thing would be to try to hang me
 
@thecoshman On the plank with you!
 
@Fanael Finally?
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ don't make be the Kraken on yo' ass
 
@thecoshman Heretics burn at the stake, regardless of profession.
Though in this case your profession (Java dev) is heretic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes soon...
 
3:54 PM
Soon what?
 
ahhh can't wait to lie in my sofa tonight and watch 20 Scrubs episodes
forget the rest of the world exists
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. In Firefox 20.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Got no work tomorrow?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes IOW, it'll hit stable in the next century.
 
@Xeo unfortunately yes.
 
3:55 PM
@TonyTheLion I think you have a problem
tonight, me and the wench plan to start watching Stephen King's version of the Shining
 
@thecoshman why are you telling me something I already know?
 
@TonyTheLion ah, just making sure :P
 
Ok, I'm off to school. Later.
 
3:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes toodle pip
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hf
 
man XSD is fugly
 

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