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6:00 PM
That video is oooold.
 
13.5 months to be precise.
 
@StackedCrooked It dragged it across all those rocks! and then tried to butt fuck it!
 
Animals!
Are type erasure and inlineability mutually exclusive?
 
In general, yes.
 
Dammit.
 
6:06 PM
Don't use std::function in function parameters!
 
I no longer do that anymore thanks to you.
I now pass a template argument.
 
How's your build times?
 
:)
@CatPlusPlus Because the template constructor of std::function is cheap to instantiate amirite.
 
MSVS2012's /Za (disable extensions) option really sucks
 
Yeah, you're right, build times are fucked anyway.
 
6:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus I don't think this affects build times.
 
heck, even its /W4 (high warning level) sucks.
 
MSVS really sucks.
 
/W4 generates tons of crap.
 
Even MS discourages use of /W4.
 
MS discourages the use of /Za too.
I guess -Wall -Wextra -pedantic is a gem all in itself. I am spoiled.
 
Xeo
Never had problems with /W4 and /Za oO
 
Really? I remember standard library or maybe WinAPI headers spewing dozens of warnings under /W4.
 
Xeo
No dubious stuff from standard headers
Atleast not from the ones I used. And I normally only compile with /W4 and /Za
 
One of the problems was that I used a function argument name that was equal to a previously defined typename.
Then I had the enum can't be used in a switch cause it's not a const int.
 
Xeo
The enum one sounds strange
 
6:15 PM
and let's not forget this one
@Xeo IIRC, it was enum class something something.
 
Xeo
Oh wait, I had one strange warning that an "unused local function was removed"
Somewhere in the Boost.Filesystem headers
 
@rubenvb That's so silly.
 
And all the int-to-bool conversion "performance warnings". Those are even enabled at /W3.
 
Xeo
6:18 PM
51 mins ago, by Xeo
Is anybody here a trained assassin?
 
LOL
 
Xeo
I think we got 4 peeps in here
Hm, 9 votes left on my sum_all(1,1000) answer till I hit my first 100
 
-7
A: Limits for self promotion, round III

JohnI applaud it. Good for him. The community has made guidelines as to what is acceptable, and he seems to be following them. He's wearing his 15 pieces of flair, but you don't seem to be happy yet. I've found it incredible that one of the founding members of this site can, with a straight face,...

 
> MSDN is a post-it J S wrote when he was four.
So that's why MSDN is meh
@Chimera Such a chode.
 
You care way too much about those stupid self-promotion posts.
 
6:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus It's sbi.
 
Everyone who posts on meta about this, whatever.
 
@Chimera What?
 
@CatPlusPlus I tend to agree with you on this.
woo fucking hoo :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh I was just mentioning in a round about manner that I don't like his tone and defense of self promotion on SO
@TonyTheLion Clearly FireFox is the cutest.
 
heheh
 
6:26 PM
@rubenvb I remember answering a performance question where int <-> bool conversion was the culprit... it was kinda unexpected.
 
@TonyTheLion Even though it doesn't fit my usual taste, in this case apparently blondes really do have more fun!
 
Wish MSVC would let me "compile" a header. Just to make sure that I got the includes and such right.
 
@MooingDuck Pretty easy to create a source file that does nothing but include the header in question.
 
@JerryCoffin haha
 
@JerryCoffin yes, but it's irritating to have to work around an arbitrary limitation. Why was the limitation there in the first place?
 
6:30 PM
@JerryCoffin Pity it doesn't instantiate templates.
 
@Mysticial you mean a real-life performance critical problem or just the warning?
 
@MooingDuck Well, I guess if you want, you can use cl /TP whatever.h. It's not really a limitation, just that it doesn't associate a .h file (or one with no extension) with any particular language, so you have to specify whether to compile as C or C++ explicitly.
 
@rubenvb A real-life performance difference. And there was no compiler warning either.
 
@Mysticial heh, lol. Throws 'em at you when you don't care, stays silent when it matters.
 
@rubenvb Found it:
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Q: Why does compiler inlining produce slower code than manual inlining?

Johannes GererBackground The following critical loop of a piece of numerical software, written in C++, basically compares two objects by one of their members: for(int j=n;--j>0;) asd[j%16]=a.e<b.e; a and b are of class ASD: struct ASD { float e; ... }; I was investigating the effect o...

It was subtle...
I don't remember it getting that many votes. Must have been slowly accumulated over the past year.
 
6:33 PM
yeah, more related to function call and return type overhead than anything else.
 
seems legit ^
 
@Mysticial Your answer (the MSVC reverse engineering part) is still saying: MSVC is failing at optimizing this case.
 
@rubenvb yeah pretty much...
It took me quite a while to track that one down...
 
> How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irish man? 0
I don't get it :(
 
@TonyTheLion Starve them. Irish potato famine or something from history class for which I was not paying attention
 
6:38 PM
@Mysticial how can you go to bed so late ( or early ) and even be remotely awake?
@Drise oh I see
 
@Drise Famines :(
 
@TonyTheLion 24-hour days are for wusses.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I once worked for 19 straight hours, and they threw me out told me to go home in the morning.
 
19-hour work marathons are for... the gullible?
I'm out. Later.
 
6:41 PM
later
 
Nah, just got really immersed into a problem. You know. Once of those that you have to fix before you leave.
Peace
 
shall I post a potentially offensive joke?
 
@TonyTheLion I woke up about 3 hours ago. (11 am here)
 
like really offensive
@Mysticial you're hardcore
 
whoa, I just realized I can hide all exception handling in a function: ideone.com/Nq2xl Or share exception handling between functions.
 
6:43 PM
Yep. That can be part of refactoring.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought they were for the well-charged and -lubricated.
 
@MooingDuck that's neat
 
Neat, though I prefer to avoid exception throwing.
Fail.
 
You nudge them gently instead.
 
I'm going home, and I'll likely be playing more DayZ
I really need to stop.
 
6:44 PM
@TonyTheLion Not really, I got a full 5 hours of sleep. And I typically take afternoon naps.
 
oh
Ever tried Ethiopian food?
 
Bye folks.
 
@Mysticial Where are you hanging out at the moment? (Apparently not Illinois, since it's ~2 PM there).
@Drise Sell folks.
 
@JerryCoffin Eat porks?
 
@JerryCoffin I meant that I woke up at 11am. It's 2pm now.
 
6:45 PM
fail
 
@Mysticial Central
 
@Mysticial Oh, okay.
@Drise Thanks, but if I can't get steak, I usually settle for chicken (though some good BBQ ribs can go down nicely).
 
@MooingDuck really? now, i'm not an especially skilled (C++) programmer, but that was my first thought when i learnt about exceptions :L
 
@LordAro yeah, I always thought generic exception handling couldn't be shifted to another function like that.
 
Can I name any Binary tree a polymorphic model?
 
6:51 PM
@MooingDuck i should clarify that i was unaware that you could or couldn't do that, i never bothered finding out :L
 
Do you have a right to know if your ISP is actively filtering/logging content?
 
I think there's a very common use case for this kind of refactoring but I forget what it is.
 
@jornak Probably varies by jurisdiction.
 
@JerryCoffin I have reason to believe my ISP's actively logging any activity going through Google from all their customers (Searches/Mail/etc)
 
The EU recognizes an Internet-related right as a basic Human right but I don't know the details.
 
6:55 PM
It looks like they recently set up and misconfigured a Cisco Content Engine
You know, you type "what is my IP" into google and it grabs your IP
It shows the IP of this CCE
However, on any other site, I get my regular static IP
I called them on this, and the lower-level tech support said "I don't know what this is, the DNS guys won't tell me, and even if they could tell me, they say I couldn't tell you what it is"
Shortly thereafter the issue was fixed and my regular IP was showing
 
What's the difference between a cow and 9/11?
You can't milk a cow for over 10 years.
 
@jornak Since you're apparently in Canada: blog.privacylawyer.ca
 
@TonyTheLion burn!
:L
 
it was a joke
 
6:57 PM
@JerryCoffin You think this is a police backdoor?
 
@jornak I haven't a clue, but I think he knows a lot more about Canadian law and how it relates to the Internet than I do. He does cover Police access, but that's not even close to all (I was directing you to his blog in general, not just his most recent post).
 
Oh, lol.
 
You're accessing mail without encryption?
 
@TonyTheLion Already 11 years, and no sign of letting up or slowing down.
 
@CatPlusPlus No, I access it with encryption, however, like I said, the IP belonged to my ISP, and when SSH'd into, revealed it's a Cisco Content Engine
 
7:00 PM
@JerryCoffin seems so
 
Okay, so just got a call from ISP.
Telling me that it has to do with spam filtering of some sort.
I wonder why the sudden change of heart on telling people what it is.
 
I smell bullshit, tbh.
 
@jornak Reading your further comments, I'm more inclined to guess incompetence than active collusion. Nothing close to proof, of course, but I've seen the kind of pay lots of techs at ISPs get -- I think it's safe to say that most aren't getting many of the best and the brightest.
 
@jornak too many complaints?
 
7:03 PM
@TonyTheLion Perhaps, but why would it only actively filter Google and not anything else?
 
@JerryCoffin from my experience that's true. They hire the dumbest people for customer support at ISP's
@jornak well, cause Google is the most used search engine.
it's not like people will use pornhub to search for other content than porn, now is it?!
 
@TonyTheLion I get that but they said it had to do with spam filtering for email
 
@jornak gmail is probably getting a lot of spam. Donno
 
Geez, just get a VPN or change ISP if you're paranoid.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not an option, only one ISP here.
 
7:04 PM
Move to wherever civilisation is, then.
 
@jornak Lots of other email providers (Google, Hotmail, Yahoo!, etc.) Most support SSL/TLS. Also quite a few publicly accessible proxies around.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know, it just seems suspicious.
 
24 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
Ever tried Ethiopian food?
 
@jornak I think it comes down to this: I doubt I'd personally be very worried, but if you are, there are tools easily available to deal with it. If your ISP is blocking you from using proxy sites, then you have some real indication of a problem (and probably more difficulty dealing with it).
 
I'm bad, I should feel bad for terrible joke :(
 
7:10 PM
@JerryCoffin I'll try when I get home. I'm also a little weirded out by the fact the guy who just phoned had to tell me that there was "no need to do any further investigation"
 
Nothing to see here.
 
@TonyTheLion Yesterday Somalia, today Ethiopia. Will Sudan be tomorrow's target?
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know
can't predict he future, can I?
 
@TonyTheLion I can certainly predict the future. Not accurately, but I can do it anyway.
 
Hmm, Mono will be on the Wii U.
 
7:17 PM
@JerryCoffin oh
did @DeadMG rage quit after @jalf's rant this morning?
 
@TonyTheLion I don't think I saw any posts from him afterwards, anyway.
 
Is repcap not 200?
@JerryCoffin yea me neither, which makes me suspicious.
 
@TonyTheLion It is -- but remember, accepts and bounties are immune.
 
@TonyTheLion Erm, I hope not.
 
@JerryCoffin ah right
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope not too
 
7:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what?
 
@MooingDuck And on the PS Vita as well.
 
Important question in today's newspaper: can you drink beer that's been nuked?
 
@MooingDuck Unity3D runs on Mono.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf very important
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Depends. If it was not in a container, it is likely to have been vaporized by the nuking, and therefore is not drinkable (you don't drink vapors; you inhale them). If it was in a container and the container did not burst, it is still in a liquid state, and thus can be drank.
 
actually, beer bottles just 300m from the explosion, survived (in experiment)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't sound right to me, since Unity already supports Xbox and PS3
 
@LuchianGrigore WTF kind of troll is that.
 
@MooingDuck Why not?
@MooingDuck FWIW, my source is Miguel de Icaza, big shot at Xamarin: twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/248862515554029569
In the event of nuclear apocalypse, you can drink Nuka-Colas and Sunset Sarsaparillas.
 
7:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes answers.unity3d.com/questions/9675/… "Wrapped around the Unity core is a layer which allows for .net access to core functionality. This layer is used for user scripting and for most of the editor UI."
 
Does anyone knows how can I get a bug in C-code fixed if the code is open source but I haven't enough skills to program?
 
@JaakkoSeppälä: Issue a bug report to the maintainer maybe?
 
@netcoder I have done it already.
 
@JaakkoSeppälä: Well now play the waiting game
 
7:30 PM
Well, then there's little more you can do.
 
@LuchianGrigore Ajax in rockets uh? interesting...
 
Okay. It could take years but maybe I just have to wait
 
@JaakkoSeppälä: Well if it takes 3 years to fix, you can always learn to code in less than that and fix it yourself
 
@JaakkoSeppälä I know I saw a site somwhere where you award bounties to people who complete certain tasks in open source projects. or something
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Actually, you benefit from 64bit even if you only have 4GB, as with 64bit you can, for the first time, use the full 4GB of address space.
 
7:33 PM
@netcoder I read basics of C and understood some parts of the code but there is just so many lines of code so I was unable to find a bug.
 
@sbi is that right? That doesn't sound right to me
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had never heard about this, and I find it indeed interesting that even baboons are flexible enough to allow individuals of other species to become members of their horde.
@MooingDuck Why not?
@casperOne, have you seen this comment?
 
@sbi I checked, you're right.
 
it's more an os issue than a hardware addressing issue
 
Waah, still 10GB to go.
 
sbi
7:40 PM
I am sorry I read this waste of time. I certainly won't deign to comment on it. — sbi 9 secs ago
 
sbi
I am sorry, but what am I supposed to argue against such crap? "Are you upset upset with yourselves that you don't have the gumption to do the same?"
 
that guy is a douche
just ignore him
he's trolling you
 
sbi
What's that "Kick a ginger" joke mean? I don't get it. :(
 
it's a reference to a South Park episode
 
7:49 PM
@TonyTheLion oooh. which?
 
"Ginger Kids" is the 136th episode (Season 9, episode 11) of Comedy Central's series South Park. It originally aired on November 9, 2005. The episode caused controversy after its ironic premise was misunderstood by people who acted violently against redheads. Plot In a class presentation, Cartman delivers something that could be considered a hate speech, arguing that "Gingers"—people with red hair, freckles, and pale skin—are disgusting, inhuman, unable to survive in sunlight, and have no souls; all because of a condition called "Gingervitis". When Kyle points out that he too has red h...
this ^
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Ah, that's why I don't get it. The last time I regularly watched TV, the South Park inventors were probably still in kindergarten.
 
lol
I had to Google it, to understand
 
@sbi Don't watch TV. Watch SouthPark :P
 
I haven't watched much South Park
 
7:51 PM
South Park is one of the very few TV series that puts all their episodes online (like, you can watch them legally, if you can even imagine such a thing)
 
sbi
@NikiC Yeah, that might well be. However, there is a reason I haven't lived with a TV in >20 years. (And it's not that I cannot stream shows when using a TV.)
 
@sbi Oh, I fully understand :) Just wanted to point out this tiny bit of awesomeness in this completely copyright-and-patent-fucked-up-world :)
 
sbi
@NikiC That is indeed a nice state of affairs and certainly worth mentioning.
 
@NikiC many American stations let you watch free online now, usually after a 3 day delay.
 
sbi
8:00 PM
Sold another ticket to belgium. 15 People from Belgium on the conference. Would have never thought, that this is a C++ Hotspot...
@Tony, @Stacked: What's up with the Belgian C++ elite? :)
 
15 people out of 40 who know C++ are from Belgium.
 
Xeo
@sbi Wtf 350€ for an early bird ticket
 
sbi
@Xeo Shrug. It's a conference. As conferences go, this isn't too expensive.
Has everybody here heard how Apple failed by replacing google maps in iOS6?
Because this is funny:
> Idly wondering how many people queuing for an iPhone 5 tomorrow are mistakenly queuing outside Greggs The Baker due to Apple Maps fail.. — MusicAlly
 
@sbi I haven't heard how it was a "failure" yet, but I'll be glad to rub my friends nose in whatever it is
 
@sbi woah, I'd never have thought :)
@Xeo I paid a 1000 Euros once for a conference
@sbi yes, very much fail.
 
sbi
8:10 PM
@MooingDuck This was all over Twitter today, and probably made it to ever major technologically-affine website.
 
iOS6 maps view of an airport
fail
 
sbi
Also, Apple all by itself seems to have uvalued the Dollar incredibly. Because an iPhone is US$649, but (at least here, in Germany) €679. That's a very surprising exchange rate, IYAM. (Not to mention that iSuppli found out that it only costs US$207 for them to make one.)
 
sbi
That's an old one, @Tony.
 
:(
Since I've been living in my flat, I sneeze a lot more
I wonder if I'm allergic to the carpets
 
sbi
8:17 PM
@TonyTheLion Interestingly, google shows off what they can when it comes to map-making the very same day Apple fails so badly at replacing google maps.
 
@sbi heheh :) Nice one Google
 
sbi
> Forbes reports that at the well known Fifth Avenue Apple Store location in New York City, there is already a line of people waiting for the iPhone 5 to be released. However, the two people at the front of the line (they actually arrived Thursday at 8 am) are not really there to pick up Apple's next device but to promote their social networking app. — neowin.net, three days ago
 
@sbi lol "The fight over mobile maps is on."
They call that a fight?
It's a one-sided spanking if you ask me.
 
Seems like heaven:
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Isn't that Björk's house?
@R.MartinhoFernandes A spanking, huh? And who's been spanked?
 
8:24 PM
@sbi It's part of a cluster of Islands on the South-West side of Iceland. I don't know who Bjork is?!
 
You don't what.
 
@TonyTheLion Who's house it is?
 
sbi
3 mins ago, by sbi
@TonyTheLion Isn't that Björk's house?
 
@sbi I saw that... but I don't see where anybody said it was or wasn't.
I've got google on it.
 
the entire island
 
sbi
8:28 PM
@Chimera Ah, it was offered, but the offer was later withdrawn. So I had that wrong.
 
Elliðaey is the third largest island () of the Westman Islands, located south of Iceland. The island is uninhabited, but has a large hunting lodge, constructed in 1953. In 2000, the (then) Prime Minister of Iceland, Davið Oddsson, drew criticism when he tried to present the island to the singer Björk as a gift, to thank her for her contribution to raising the international profile of Iceland. His offer was withdrawn after much local protest.
this is the island's name
and there's a reference to that Bjork person Ape mentioned
 
"Bjork person".
 
not a robot for sure
I only know one robot
 
Must cost a lot to helicopter in and out all the time.
 
8:31 PM
can't tell if there a boat dock or close enough to boat there.
 
Don't think they do deliveries there if you order online
 
@TonyTheLion :-)
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I am sure you have heard this song from her debut album (aptly named Debut), published in 1993.
Damn, yeah, that's almost 20 years ago. You guys are just too young. And to think that I didn't even listen much to her, because that was the music of the teenagers, not mine...
 
@sbi no. :(
I was only 6 back then
that wouldn't have meant much
 
sbi
8:35 PM
@TonyTheLion But you have heard of Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and the Beach Boys, haven't you? And even your parents must have been quite young back then.
 
@sbi Cool. Never heard of this "meetingcpp" event though.
 
ah, John removed his answer from meta.
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Q: Limits for self promotion, round III

sbiThe chat has come across a case where one user does something similar to Ira. From the few of his recent answers I looked at, it seems he hasn't done it as badly as Ira Baxter did. But then he goes out and actively searches old questions (new ones, too) and plugs his products. Yes, he adds a di...

 
sbi
@Chimera Too bad, because there was one more comment after mine, and due to not having 10k on meta, I now cannot fetch that.
 
@sbi I have heard of them, my parents are beginning their 50's
 
@sbi Why would he remove his answer? Coward?
@sbi Yeah I saw your comment before the answer was poofed.
 
sbi
8:37 PM
Sorry, fucked this one up.
 
I still can't figure out why the upcoming WiiU has less memory than my three year old phone.
 
Bjorks music was just weird.
 
@sbi I have heard of them.
@MooingDuck euh, cause fail?!
@sbi WTF?!!
 
sbi
@Chimera I don't know. I mean, that's meta rep. Who worries about that? OTOH, several others said the answer was almost offensive, so a mod might have zapped it.
@TonyTheLion I misunderstood.
 
I noticed.
 
8:40 PM
@sbi Yeah, his last line had quite a rude tone to it.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion See, so having been only 6 is no excuse for not knowing Björk. Also, she was pretty much in up to the late 90s, and you were a teen then.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: No one ever goes walrus. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [xkcd]
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Tag fail.
 
Whatever I'll do to tags you people will break anyway.
 
sbi
You are the egg man.
> There are days I have sparkling wit, generosity of heart, and hope in my eyes. Today... is one of the other ones. — Örjan Westi
 
8:44 PM
@sbi 6 does not count as a teen.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion If you were 6 in 1993, then... Ok, you were almost a teen in 1999.
 
@sbi you're looking for something to troll me with, aren't you. :)
@sbi that's quite a few years difference
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion "Also, she was pretty much in up to the late 90s..."
 
@sbi I wasn't into that music style back then, and also, I was idiotic
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Actually not. From the robot's reaction you can probably see that we felt trolled.
 
8:47 PM
@ScottW Neither does Dead.
 
@sbi because I said "Bjork person". You're such an ape.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Neither was I ever a Trip Hop fan, but it must have been very hard to not to have heard of Björk, as her music was all over the radio in the 90s.
 
@ScottW go fap or something
@sbi yes point taken, I don't care.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion No. He was baffled much earlier.
 
8:48 PM
Bjork was on the Belgian Pukkelpop festival this year.
 
@sbi do I look like I care?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Oh, don't become grumpy, you over-sized cat! I already admitted that you might have been too young. Will you stop taking this as personal attacks?
 
@sbi you're telling me not to become grumpy??? yes I know you admitted that. Great! I don't care about Bjork and I never will. Also, I don't take it as attacks, you just seem to keep going on about something I frankly couldn't care less about. It's irritating.
 
Good evening.
 
8:51 PM
good evening.
 
Bjork's music was never very accessible. On the positive side it doesn't grow old.
 
I don't know that person either.
 
@sbi I never heard of Bjork until like two years ago
 
oh god why?
I was trying to kill the discussion
 
But then again, ask me about anyone related to music, and I don't know them.
 
8:53 PM
I never heard of Bjork until like two minutes ago.
 
I don't find it particularly relevant to anything to know these people.
 
@TonyTheLion oops
 
shush
FFS
 
8:54 PM
@TonyTheLion You can't stop the signal.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Have you seen this? (There's a version without video, but with better sound here.)
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm stopping it dead in it's tracks
 
@sbi Wow! PJ Harvey and Bjork!
 
Ok, so, only old farts and I knew her? Erm.
 
OK, I'll be back when you're done
 
8:54 PM
Ok.
 
Rrrrr, 50% to go.
You're now officially an old fart.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, and covering the Stones! In a very strange way,
 
I like it :D
 

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